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Tick Boot Camp

Matt Sabatello and Rich Johannesen

The goal of the Tick Boot Camp Podcast is to help people liberate themselves and others from suffering caused by Lyme disease through validation, community building, belief that healing is possible, and modeling success. Listen to our Tick Boot Camp podcast using all major podcast streaming services such as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube Music. Our podcast is also integrated with smart home devices, such as Amazon Alexa and Apple TV. Ask your device to "play the Tick Boot Camp Podcast!"

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  • 22 episodes
  • weekly
  • Avg 1 hr 27 min
  • English
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  • S1 · E556
    February 28 · 1 hr 51 min

    Episode 556: Solving Lyme Diagnostics and Discovering New Tick-Borne Pathogens with Dr. Bobbi S. Pritt

    Dr. Bobbi S. Pritt joins Tick Boot Camp Podcast for a scientific deep dive into Lyme disease diagnostics, co-infections, and emerging tick-borne pathogens. Dr. Pritt is Professor and Chair of Laboratory Medicine and Pathology at Mayo Clinic and Director of the Clinical Parasitology Laboratory in Rochester, Minnesota. An internationally recognized expert in vector-borne diseases, she is globally known for discovering new tick-borne pathogens—including Borrelia mayonii and Ehrlichia muris eauclairensis—and for advancing cutting-edge molecular and metagenomic diagnostic testing used nationwide. This episode offers essential clarity for anyone navigating Lyme disease, unexplained symptoms, or confusing test results. Dr. Pritt explains why standard tests often miss early Lyme, how PCR and molecular tools can detect active infection, and what metagenomic sequencing may offer for more accurate and comprehensive diagnostics in the future. Episode Summary Dr. Pritt breaks down how Lyme and other tick-borne diseases are detected through antibody testing, PCR, tissue analysis, and cutting-edge molecular methods. She explains how her lab discovered multiple new pathogens in the upper Midwest, the role of tick species in disease transmission, and why co-infections complicate diagnosis. This conversation also explores geographic spread, climate change, tick behavior, and the strengths and limitations of today’s test algorithms. Key Topics • Discovery of Borrelia mayonii as a second cause of Lyme disease in the U.S. • Identification and characterization of Ehrlichia muris eauclairensis • Geographic hotspots and why the upper Midwest produces unique pathogens • Tick species differences: blacklegged vs. lone star ticks and their hunting strategies • Co-feeding in ticks and its role in pathogen evolution • Why early Lyme tests often return false-negative results • The science behind false positives and cross-reactivity • PCR advantages and limitations for detecting Borrelia • When skin biopsies can outperform blood tests • Differentiating Lyme, B. miyamotoi, Anaplasma, Babesia, and Powassan virus • When clinicians should order a full tick-borne disease panel • How climate and ecological changes drive new tick-borne threats • The promise of metagenomics and immune-signature diagnostics What You’ll Learn • Why current Lyme testing algorithms struggle in early infection • How new tick-borne pathogens are discovered and validated • Why lone star ticks are more aggressive and changing regional risk • When and why molecular testing is more effective • What symptoms point to co-infections needing additional testing • Why doxycycline is not effective for certain pathogens like Babesia • How metagenomic sequencing could identify every pathogen in a single sample • Where diagnostic innovation is heading and what patients can expect

  • S1 · E555
    February 21 · 1 hr 56 min

    Episode 555: The Science of Why Some People Don’t Recover from Lyme Disease — Inside the Largest Clinical Study at MIT – with Dr. Michal (Mikki) Tal

    What makes Lyme disease resolve quickly in some people but turn into a life-altering chronic illness in others? In this episode, world-leading immunologist Dr. Michal “Mikki” Tal, Principal Scientist at MIT, explains what her team is discovering through the MAESTRO Study — the largest clinical research project in MIT’s history and the first of its kind to include real Lyme patients in a multi-system biological analysis. Dr. Tal’s work sits at the intersection of immunology, bioengineering, and women’s health, uncovering how infections like Lyme and COVID can cause persistent inflammation, immune miscommunication, and hormonal imbalance. Through MAESTRO, she’s mapping how recovery breaks down — and what can be done to predict, prevent, and ultimately reverse chronic illness. 👩‍🔬 About Dr. Tal Dr. Michal “Mikki” Caspi Tal, PhD Principal Scientist, MIT Department of Biological Engineering Associate Scientific Director, MIT Center for Gynepathology Research Head, Tal Research Group A Yale-trained immunologist (PhD under Dr. Akiko Iwasaki) and former Stanford researcher in Dr. Irving Weissman’s lab, Dr. Tal specializes in infection-associated chronic illnesses. She has received NIH NIAID fellowships and the Bay Area Lyme Foundation Emerging Leader Award for her pioneering research on the immune mechanisms linking Lyme disease, Long COVID, and chronic inflammation. 🧬 What You’ll Learn 1. Why 10% of People Don’t Recover from Lyme Roughly 90% of Lyme patients recover after antibiotic treatment — but 10% continue to experience long-term symptoms. Dr. Tal explains that this is not psychological; it’s biological. In these individuals, the immune system’s “off switch” fails, leading to chronic inflammation, tissue injury, and immune exhaustion — a state she calls catastrophic recovery failure. 2. The MAESTRO Study: Measuring Absolutely Everything MAESTRO (Mucosal And systEmic Signatures Triggered by Responses to infectious Organisms) integrates advanced biology, neuroscience, and patient experience. Participants provide: Blood, saliva, urine, and swab samples for immune and microbiome profiling EEG brainwave tests (WAVi), eye-tracking (RightEye), and cognitive testing (BrainCheck) NASA Lean Test for autonomic dysfunction (POTS) and capillaroscopy to visualize microvascular flow Evie Ring wearable tracking sleep, heart rate, and oxygen Plainly: MAESTRO maps the connection between what patients feel and what’s happening biologically inside their brains, blood, and immune systems. 3. Sex-Based Immunity and Hormonal Differences Every immune cell carries receptors for estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone. These hormones literally change how the immune system responds. Men: more severe acute infections. Women: more likely to survive but develop chronic post-infectious illness. This isn’t “in their heads” — it’s a biological trade-off built into human evolution. 4. Lyme and Reproductive Health Dr. Tal’s group uncovered Borrelia (Lyme bacteria) in the uterus and bladder of infected animal models, and population studies show a twofold increase in gynecologic conditions (like endometriosis and PCOS) after Lyme infection, even post-treatment. This challenges the old view of Lyme as a joint or nerve disease — revealing it as a whole-body infection that can affect reproductive and hormonal health. 5. Immune Checkpoints: How Borrelia Hits the Brakes The immune system uses checkpoint molecules as brakes to avoid self-destruction. Dr. Tal found that Borrelia’s P66 protein can engage SIRP-alpha, a human “stop signal,” effectively telling the immune system to stand down too soon. This immune hijacking may explain persistent infection and the biological differences in recovery between men and women. 6. Collagen, Mast Cells, and Hypermobility Many chronic Lyme patients report joint laxity or Ehlers-Danlos-like symptoms. Dr. Tal’s research shows Borrelia can reside within collagen-rich tissues, provoking mast cells (inflammatory immune cells) to attack both the bacteria and the body’s connective tissue — weakening ligaments, causing pain, and perpetuating inflammation. 7. Allergy-Type Immune Reactions to Bacteria Around one-third of chronic Lyme patients produce IgE antibodies (normally linked to allergies) against Borrelia and oral spirochetes such as Treponema denticola. In simple terms: the immune system becomes “allergic” to its own bacteria, keeping inflammation alive even after infection clears. 8. Brain Biomarkers: Reaction Time and Neuroinflammation By using EEG and eye-tracking technology, the MAESTRO study reveals that people with chronic Lyme and Long COVID have measurably slower reaction times — a neurological signature of inflammation that validates patient-reported “brain fog.” The data prove that cognitive slowdown is not subjective — it’s an objective biomarker of neuroinflammatory illness. 9. Predicting Chronic Illness Before It Happens The ultimate goal: identify the biological patterns that forecast who will develop chronic Lyme. Using multi-omics (proteomics, metabolomics, genomics) integrated with functional tests, Dr. Tal’s team aims to create the first predictive diagnostic framework for infection-associated chronic disease. 🧠 Key Quotes “MAESTRO stands for Measure Absolutely Everything. That’s how we make invisible illness visible.” “Every immune cell listens to hormones. That’s why recovery looks different between men and women.” “Borrelia can tap the immune system’s brakes — that’s how it survives.” “Reaction time is data. It’s what brain fog looks like when you can finally measure it.” 🧩 The Big Picture Dr. Tal’s work bridges hard science and patient reality, validating what millions of Lyme patients have felt for decades. Her data suggest that chronic Lyme disease, Long COVID, and similar conditions share a common root: a failure of immune resolution. By decoding these patterns, her team is paving the way for real diagnostics, targeted treatments, and renewed hope. 🧪 Participate The Tal Research Group's MAESTRO program is seeking Chronic Lyme Disease and Acute Lyme Disease patients to participate in their large clinical study. Participants provide samples and complete neurological and physiological testing at baseline, 6-month, and 12-month visits. Visit Tal Research Group MAESTRO website to learn more or be connected with the MAESTRO research team.

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