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Some Work, All Play

David Roche and Megan Roche

Five to ten topics, sometimes about running, with lots of love and enthusiasm and science. We dig deep into training, races, studies, pop culture, and much more! With Megan Roche, M.D. and David Roche!

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  • May 31, 2022 · 1 hr 18 min

    104. European Racing, Strides for Speed, and UTMB Policies

    We started the Cha Cha Challenge before talking about training for the unique challenges of European racing, more shoe reviews, being an introvert at professional conferences, why all clothes should be maternity fit, how stride workouts can spur progression across decades of serious training, follow-ups on vegetarianism, some problems with UTMB's doping policies, and the cool science of hydration wearables. For a weekly bonus episode, make sure you're subscribed to our Patreon! We love you all! WOOHOO! Support the podcast: patreon.com/swap Try Athletic Greens: athleticgreens.com/SWAP WHOOP promo code "SWAP" for 15% off: join.whoop.com/SWAP

  • May 24, 2022 · 1 hr 26 min

    103. Shoe Reviews, Business and Competition, and Strength Gains

    We optimized our nasal breathing before giving you our HONEST feelings on different shoe brands and models, the cool science of minimal-dose strength work, the quirks of Vitamin D science, and fueling follow-ups. We then provide an overview of the changing media landscape, including recent layoffs and changes in publishing models, and what that might mean for.... future expansion of the podcast and fun content! The hope is that a Patreon account can be a proof-of-concept for a bigger investment in bonus podcasts, articles, and videos in the future. We love you all! WOOHOO! Support the podcast: patreon.com/swap Try Athletic Greens: athleticgreens.com/SWAP WHOOP promo code "SWAP" for 15% off: join.whoop.com/SWAP

  • May 17, 2022 · 1 hr 24 min

    102. Hydration Experiments, Shoe Science, and Body Enthusiasm

    We did some titillating at-home chiropractic adjustments before talking about the variance in what constitutes good hydration for different athletes (and how extreme approaches can work for heavy sweaters), carb love and the power of Peanut Butter Puffins, our favorite recent TV shows, shoe science and the murky understanding of impact forces, body/brain chemistry and enthusiasm for every body, random racing tips, and the power of big trees (and big honkers). We love you all! WOOHOO! Try Athletic Greens: athleticgreens.com/SWAP WHOOP promo code "SWAP" for 15% off: join.whoop.com/SWAP

  • May 10, 2022 · 1 hr 26 min

    101. Extreme Races, Extreme Fueling Approaches, and Unconditional Love

    We tanned our private parts for the hormone boost before talking about extreme race fueling approaches of 400-500+ calories per hour and how they might work for some athletes, extreme races like the Cocodona 250, training for ultras where the association between speed and performance fall away, John Kelly's historic Wainwrights FKT, heat training, influencers taking PEDs, a follow-up on pregnancy, and the importance of individual bodily autonomy and personal freedom. Plus lots more! We love you all! HUZZAH! Try Athletic Greens: athleticgreens.com/SWAP WHOOP promo code "SWAP" for 15% off: join.whoop.com/SWAP

  • May 3, 2022 · 1 hr 26 min

    100. Celebrating 100 Episodes and Fun News!

    We channeled our BIGGEST WET FOOD ENERGY to joyfully reflect on the 100th episode of the podcast! What a journey! This is a love letter to our listeners... and to new adventures. You know how TV shows save something big for the season finale? We did that for the 100th episode. Tune in and find out! Plus discussions of lessons from the last couple years, owning your insecurities, the unexpected swerves of an athletic life, takeaways from our favorite episodes, and so much more. Thank you so much for being on this journey with us! We love you all! HUZZAH! Try Athletic Greens: athleticgreens.com/SWAP WHOOP promo code "SWAP" for 15% off: join.whoop.com/SWAP

  • Apr 26, 2022 · 1 hr 23 min

    99. Carb Intake and Endurance Performance, Canyons 100k recap, and 3 Speed Building Tips

    We made SO MANY PHONE CALLS before talking about the wildly cool and striking science on how much pre-race and during-race carb intake correlates with performance, what the literature says about how to fuel before and during events, the incredible racing at the Canyons 100k, the importance of women in coaching, inspiration from Leah Yingling, why Lizzo is our hero, 3 training tips that can increase speed (with just a few minutes extra per week), and the evolving world of ultramarathons. Plus lots more! Rate, review, and subscribe if you like it! We love you all! HUZZAH! Try Athletic Greens: athleticgreens.com/SWAP WHOOP promo code "SWAP" for 15% off: join.whoop.com/SWAP

  • Apr 19, 2022 · 1 hr 25 min

    98. Boston Marathon, Canyons 100k, and Fun Science on Trail Performance

    We went full BUBBLES before talking about some takeaways from the Boston Marathon, training theory evolution in the Strava age, a preview of the STACKED Canyons 100k, sexy science on variables that predict trail running performance, why peak velocity might correlate with success even in very long races, satisfaction bombs and the importance of big meals, "Real Talent," and erotic microphones. Rate, review, and subscribe if you like it! We love you all! HUZZAH! Try Athletic Greens: athleticgreens.com/SWAP WHOOP promo code "SWAP" for 15% off: join.whoop.com/SWAP

  • Apr 12, 2022 · 1 hr 29 min

    97. Elite Athlete Training Science, Dreaming, and the Magic of Failure

    We had a pepperoni pizza foodgasm before talking about dreaming big in athletics and life, the delightful inevitability of failure, an amazing new study on the training of world-class distance runners, easy running guidelines, tapers, and empathy. Plus asides on BOTH fox mating and raptor mating, so things are getting freaky in the animal kingdom. The episode ends with the most wonderful, life-affirming Listener Corner email ever, so stay tuned for that. We love you all! WOOHOO! Try Athletic Greens: athleticgreens.com/SWAP WHOOP promo code "SWAP" for 15% off: join.whoop.com/SWAP

  • Apr 5, 2022 · 1 hr 28 min

    96. Gorge 50k/100k Recap, Shining Your Light, and Trans Athlete Inclusion

    We rocked some very teal, very tight spandex to talk about stories from the Gorge 100k and 50k (highlighted by some amazingly fun breakthroughs!), great health news for Megan's heart, athletics as an opportunity to shine your light with FULL LUMINOSITY, Jerrod Carmichael's wonderful new comedy special, being yourself, the courage of Lia Thomas, why inclusion must be the default, and why trans athletes rights are human rights. We love you all! WOOHOO! Try Athletic Greens: athleticgreens.com/SWAP WHOOP promo code "SWAP" for 15% off: join.whoop.com/SWAP

  • Mar 29, 2022 · 1 hr 19 min

    95. Rest Days Rock, Heat Training Tutorial, and Sexy Algorithms

    We turned some knobs in all the right directions before talking about some cool new data on how rest days can improve health and performance, how that relates to burnout and long-term growth, the wild and repeatable science of the placebo effect (featuring a fun study on injecting athletes with fake EPO!), publication bias and how that influences scientific understanding, poetry, and talking dirty to plants. Thank you so much for being a part of this journey! WOOHOO! We love Athletic Greens! Try it: athleticgreens.com/SWAP WHOOP promo code "SWAP" for 15% off: join.whoop.com/SWAP

  • Mar 22, 2022 · 1 hr 27 min

    94. Positive Reinforcement, Caffeine Genetics, and Sexy Science Spectacular

    We channeled some SEXY WILDEBEEST vibes before talking about studies from rugby on how positive reinforcement before and after matches improves hormone levels and performance, a new review study on the perils of low-carbohydrate approaches to nutrition, opening up about our secrets, balancing positive mentorship and actionable feedback, bike racing, and a warm-up tip that leads to breakthroughs (in running or podcasts). Plus ALL OF THE SCIENCE that makes it one of our sexiest episodes ever! Thank you so much for being a part of this journey! WOOHOO! We love Athletic Greens! Try it: athleticgreens.com/SWAP WHOOP promo code "SWAP" for 15% off: join.whoop.com/SWAP

  • Mar 15, 2022 · 1 hr 25 min

    93. Speed Training Science, DNFs in Races and Life, and Mental Health Celebration

    We got white hot and passionate before talking about some wildly cool studies on speed training science, how simple training changes can improve performance for most athletes, our questionable move to a caffeine-free lifestyle (nooooooo!), the power of DNFs in racing and in life, movie reviews and recommendations, and the importance of celebrating everything about mental health (via Taylor Tomlinson's amazing new stand-up special). Plus the usual sexy science! Thank you so much for being a part of this journey! WOOHOO! We love Athletic Greens! Try it: athleticgreens.com/SWAP WHOOP promo code for 15% off: join.whoop.com/SWAP

  • Mar 8, 2022 · 1 hr 23 min

    92. Barkley Marathons, Social Media, Alcohol, and Owning Your Talent

    We did a public-service announcement on the importance of lubrication (and blew the conch) before talking about the Barkley Marathons and the fascinating definition of talent, elementary school stories and how they play a role throughout life, self-acceptance in the social media age, the uncertain impact of alcohol on protein synthesis, broken treadmills, and lots more of the sexiest science. Thank you so much for being a part of this journey! WOOHOO! WHOOP promo code for 15% off all memberships: SWAP join.whoop.com/swap

  • Mar 1, 2022 · 1 hr 23 min

    91. Building Aerobic Monsters, Shining Your Light, and Fun (sometimes!) Adulting Fails

    We drank some blended lawn clippings FOR HEALTH before talking about why all miles count and there is no such thing as "junk" for the aerobic system, how base building unfolds over longer time horizons, shining your light in a world that can feel so dark at times, how impossible it is to be an adult (what the heck is radon?!), 3 business observations, and Ukraine love. Thank you so much for being a part of this journey! WOOHOO! WHOOP promo code for 15% off all memberships: SWAP join.whoop.com/swap

  • Feb 22, 2022 · 1 hr 24 min

    90. Threshold Training, Starting Coaching, and Love & Fear

    We embraced love and fear before talking about how threshold training looks different for athletes who run on hills, thinking about adapting Norwegian training or other approaches, the principles and logistics of starting coaching (or starting anything!), how injuries change thinking on exercise physiology, biases in how we think about models, Ali Wong, and LOVE. Thank you so much for being a part of this journey! WOOHOO! WHOOP promo code for 15% off all memberships: SWAP join.whoop.com/swap

  • Feb 15, 2022 · 1 hr 29 min

    89. BIG Aerobic Development, Gold Medalist Training, and Black Canyon 100k Recap

    We PUT ON A SHOW (for ourselves) before talking about the WILDLY COOL training principles behind Nils van Der Poel's gold medals in speed-skating, Clare Gallagher's training (and life force) leading up to the Black Canyon 100k, finding and embracing your voice, a follow-up on Norwegian training principles (particularly for female athletes), performance outliers, the figure skating doping controversy, massive aerobic and threshold sessions, and even more massive rest blocks. Plus lots of fun digressions, from the sexual tension of the double luge to fueling with whipped cream. Thank you so much for being a part of this journey! WOOHOO! WHOOP promo code for 15% off all memberships: SWAP join.whoop.com/swap

  • Feb 8, 2022 · 1 hr 29 min

    88. Training Intensity, Lactate, Double Workouts, and Black Canyon 100k

    We brought some of the BIGGEST COOKIE ENERGY before talking about the role of lactate and how that determines adaptations from training intensity, the Norway model of running training, the cool theory of double threshold workouts, the winter Olympics, some thoughts about the Black Canyon 100k, and life history theory applied to low energy availability and adaptation. Plus lots of fun digressions, from salmon mating to the paramount importance of relationship dynamics in ice dancing. It's our longest episode yet, thank you all so much for your support and being along for the ride! WOOHOO! WHOOP promo code for 15% off all memberships: SWAP join.whoop.com/swap

  • Feb 1, 2022 · 1 hr 26 min

    87. The Fascinating Connection Between Physiology, Self-Talk, and Performance (plus side stitch science!)

    We got EXTRA STRENGTH creative juices flowing before talking about a study on how self-talk can influence performance, the connection that emotional state can have to long-term adaptation, recognizing and improving self-talk and why that matters long-term, the best strength exercise (step-ups!) and how to take them to the next level, and how to prevent and treat side stitches. Plus lots of the usual asides, from Salt-N-Pepa to sex dreams. As always, it gets weird! Thank you all for everything! WOOHOO! WHOOP promo code for 15% off all memberships: SWAP join.whoop.com/swap

  • Jan 25, 2022 · 1 hr 25 min

    86. Facing Fears, Loving the Pressure, and Preparation SWAG

    We ate performance supplements (cereal and cheese!) before talking about facing fear in an athletic life, ways to reframe pressure, our recent culinary breakthroughs, the importance of preserving your unique voice, death, lessons from the amazing show Cheer, and bringing that "too old, too tired, and too talented" energy for 2022. Full SWAG MODE, ACTIVATE! Thank you all for everything! WOOHOO! WHOOP promo code for 15% off all memberships: SWAP join.whoop.com/swap

  • Jan 18, 2022 · 1 hr 24 min

    85. The Beautiful Cruelty of Sports and Epigenetic Muscle Memory

    We got ON A BIKE (slowly) before talking about the wildly fun epigenetic principles behind long-term adaptation, secrets and shame, email interventions, the beautiful cruelty of sports like running, and the importance of putting yourself out there and getting vulnerable. SHOOTERS SHOOT! Thank you all for everything! WOOHOO! WHOOP promo code for 15% off all memberships: SWAP join.whoop.com/swap