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The Short Term Show

8 Figure Airbnb and Short Term Rental Real Estate Investor Avery Carl

The Short Term Show is your home for all things short term rental (Airbnb) investing and management. Host Avery Carl interviews successful real estate investors and CEOs of Airbnb related startups to bring inspirational and actionable content to listeners. Whether you are an experienced Airbnb investor or co-host, or you’re just getting started, The Short Term Show is your home for all things short term rental content.
About the host: Avery Carl bought her first Airbnb in 2015, and has since built a portfolio of over 250 doors, is the author of bestseller Short Term Rental, Long Term wealth, and is the CEO and Founder of The Short Term Shop, the country’s largest Airbnb-specific real estate team, with over 5,000 Airbnb investors served in 20 markets. The Short Term Shop has been named the #1 team worldwide at EXP 3x, has been featured in the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Forbes, and USA Today.

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Wednesday · 25 min
The Overlooked Revenue Stream for STR Hosts with Ben Levy
Avery is joined by Ben Levy, co-founder and CEO of Localbird, to discuss how short term rental hosts can turn local experiences into an additional revenue stream. Ben shares how a frustrating vacation in Hawaii inspired him to build a concierge platform that makes everything from private chefs and massages to tours, transportation, and rentals easier for guests to discover and book. He explains how Local Bird partners with hosts through revenue sharing, integrates with property management softwa
September 9 · 37 min
Why Melissa Nash Started Flipping STRs
Avery is joined by Melissa Nash, founder of Passively Rich with Rentals, to discuss how she built a portfolio of 20 rental properties after starting with just a $15,000 investment. Melissa shares how she uses short-term rentals to make markets like Southern California work, including buying properties that need some attention, turning them into profitable vacation rentals, and even selling them as turnkey businesses. She also explains her “lazy investor” method, why she prioritizes systems and t
September 2 · 31 min
Why Sedona Is a Missed Market with Leslie Carbajal
Avery is joined by Leslie Carbajal to explore three Arizona short-term rental markets: Sedona, Flagstaff, and Scottsdale. Leslie breaks down what makes Sedona such a compelling luxury market, including its iconic red rocks, strong tourism, limited pool inventory, and potential for higher revenue, while also explaining why Flagstaff offers a more affordable entry point with demand driven by skiing, hiking, and outdoor recreation. They compare the three markets based on price point, property type,
August 26 · 35 min
100 Hours Could Change Your Taxes with Gian Pazzia
Avery is joined by Gian Pazzia, one of the founders of KBKG and a longtime expert in cost segregation, to break down how short term rental investors can use tax strategies to maximize depreciation deductions. Gian explains the difference between traditional depreciation and cost segregation, how the short term rental tax strategy can allow qualifying investors to use deductions against active income, and why properly tracking material participation hours is so important. They also discuss the li
August 19 · 38 min
The Affordable Path to STR Investing with Mary Mueller
Avery is joined by Mary Mueller, a first-time short term rental investor who shares how she and her husband went from feeling priced out of vacation rentals to purchasing and renovating an affordable cabin in the Smoky Mountains. Mary explains how balancing homeschooling, raising three young children, and navigating family health challenges didn't stop them from finding a value-add property, completing a major renovation, and launching a successful rental that has exceeded their early expectatio
August 12 · 33 min
Building a Family STR Business from the Ground Up with Luke and Laura Hintermeister
On this week's episode, Avery is joined by Luke and Laura Hintermeister to share how their family's passion for renovation, hospitality, and outdoor adventure led them to purchase and transform a vacation rental overlooking Lake Superior. The couple explains how years of researching the North Shore market, finding an overlooked value-add property with incredible views, and completing a major renovation themselves helped turn a dated two-bedroom home into a high-performing short term rental. They
August 5 · 24 min
The Design Decisions That Actually Increase Bookings with Courtney Petrovich
Avery is joined by Courtney Petrovich, founder of Denori Designs, to explore how thoughtful design can dramatically improve the performance of short term rentals and boutique hotels. Courtney shares how she transitioned from long-term rental investing into hospitality design after doubling the annual revenue of her own North Myrtle Beach vacation rental, and explains why successful design starts with market research, guest psychology, and return on investment rather than personal taste. They dis
July 29 · 33 min
Why Patience Beats FOMO in Real Estate with Lucas Papageorgiou
Avery is joined by Lucas Papageorgiou, a manufacturing consultant and real estate investor who shares how careful analysis, patience, and disciplined decision-making helped him build a portfolio of both long-term and short-term rentals. Lucas explains how purchasing a four-unit property at age 24 allowed him to live nearly rent-free while building equity, before expanding into the Smoky Mountains vacation rental market through methodical research and conservative financing. He also discusses why
July 22 · 32 min
The Secret to Scroll-Stopping Listings with Tim Grillot
Avery Carl is joined by Tim Grillot, real estate investor and former Short Term Shop agent who has built a successful vacation rental photography business. Tim shares how his passion for photography evolved into a full-time career, explains why professional photography is one of the highest-return investments a host can make, and offers practical advice for choosing a photographer who understands the unique goal of selling a vacation experience rather than simply documenting a property. He also
July 15 · 44 min
Scaling Without Sacrificing Quality with Lindsey Pleasant
Avery is joined by Lindsey Pleasant, founder of Hostie Vacation Rentals, to discuss how she built one of the largest short term rental management companies in rural Texas by focusing on exceptional hospitality and operational excellence. Lindsey shares how she grew from managing a single property to more than 80 luxury vacation rentals across Round Top and the surrounding area, explaining why cleanliness, high standards, and strong owner relationships have been the foundation of her success. The
July 8 · 25 min
The Underrated Mountain Market with Less Competition with Yok Re
Avery is joined by Yok to revisit the Blue Ridge, Georgia market and explain why it's one of the most overlooked opportunities for short-term rental investors. They discuss what continues to drive demand from Atlanta, Florida, and other nearby metro areas, why Blue Ridge offers less competition than the Smoky Mountains, and the types of cabins that perform best in today's market. Yok shares what buyers should prioritize—including mountain views, modernized interiors, and proximity to downtown Bl
July 1 · 26 min
The Lake Michigan STR Strategy That Changed Everything with Jeremy Udovich
Avery is joined by Jeremy Udovich, founder of Sheboygan Vacation Rentals, to discuss how he went from a career in golf and software sales to building a thriving short-term rental portfolio and management company in Wisconsin. Jeremy shares how a single property near Lake Michigan grew into a portfolio of owned and managed vacation rentals, why Sheboygan’s beaches, golf courses, racetrack, and outdoor recreation create strong year-round demand, and how access to capital helped him scale quickly.
June 24 · 31 min
The Affordable Gulf Coast Market Most Investors Overlook with Kelsey Ardoin
On this week's episode, Avery is joined by Kelsey Ardoin to break down what’s working right now in the Galveston and Crystal Beach short-term rental market. Using one of her own properties as a case study, Kelsey shares how investors can dramatically improve bookings without spending tens of thousands on major renovations, focusing instead on guest experience, outdoor entertainment spaces, hot tubs, and highly photographable amenities. She explains why large-group properties continue to perform
June 17 · 39 min
How Chris McKenna Built a 10-Property STR Portfolio and Retired in Just a Few Years
On this week's episode, Avery is joined by Chris McKenna, a former Fortune 500 executive who retired at 49 after building a portfolio of short-term rentals across Alabama, Oklahoma, and Maine. Chris shares how hearing Avery on a BiggerPockets podcast sparked his real estate journey, leading him from a demanding corporate career to owning multiple vacation rental properties that now generate nearly $1 million in annual revenue. He recounts the unforgettable challenges of his first investment prop
June 10 · 35 min
The “Regular Guy” Blueprint for Building Wealth with Short-Term Rentals with Lance Lalanne
On this week's episode, Avery is joined by Lance Lalanne, a Louisiana-based business executive and real estate investor who transformed his family's dream of owning a beach condo into a successful short-term rental business. Lance shares how a conversation with a friend, Avery’s audiobook, and guidance from the Short Term Shop team helped him confidently purchase a condo in Orange Beach, Alabama, negotiate a significant discount, and build a thriving rental from the ground up. They discuss the i
June 3 · 42 min
How a Bad Realtor Nearly Wrecked Their STR Dreams (And What They Did About It) with Erica and Jon Larson
Avery Carl sits down with Erica and Jon Larson, a former teacher and a VP of sales who turned a career shake-up into a thriving short‑term rental business. They share the real, often messy process of leaving their W‑2 jobs—starting with a tight budget, learning the hard way why you never skip a home inspection, and the nightmare of trusting a realtor who wasn’t an STR expert. From teaching kindergarteners to managing guest messages mid‑class, Erica and Jon walk through the grit, risk, and persis
May 27 · 23 min
Negotiating Deals and Finding Hidden Value in Texas with Stacey Lancaster
Avery is joined by Short Term Shop agent Stacey Lancaster to explore the current state of short-term rental investing across Texas Hill Country and the Austin area. Stacey explains why the market currently favors investors who are willing to negotiate, create memorable guest experiences, and look beyond turnkey properties to add value through design and management. They also discuss how continued population growth in Texas, future developments like Fredericksburg’s incoming Waldorf Astoria, and
May 20 · 25 min
Where and What to Buy in Southern Utah
Avery Carl is joined by Short Term Shop agent Cody Roberts to break down why Southern Utah has become an increasingly attractive short-term rental market. They discuss the tourism demand driven by Zion National Park and the surrounding outdoor attractions, the strict permit regulations that help prevent oversaturation, and the types of properties that perform best in the market. The conversation also covers the benefits of condos and townhomes with resort-style amenities, the appeal of purpose-b
May 13 · 34 min
What Actually Triggers an IRS Audit on Rentals ft. Ana Klein
On this week's episode, Avery is joined by Ana Klein, CEO of Tax Boss, to break down how short term rental tax law can help high income earners significantly reduce their taxable income. Ana explains how strategies like cost segregation and bonus depreciation can create large paper losses that offset W2 income, while emphasizing that these benefits only work when paired with strong investments and long term planning. The conversation dives into common misconceptions, including year-one benefits,
May 6 · 45 min
The Asset Protection Hack That Stops Lawsuits Before They Start with Dohn Thornton
On this week’s episode, Avery is joined by Dohn Thornton, a seasoned real estate investor and short sale expert who has flipped over 3,000 properties and now focuses on advanced asset protection strategies. Dohn breaks down the concept of a spendthrift trust, explaining how it differs from traditional LLCs and trusts by offering greater privacy, lawsuit protection, and potential tax advantages through a contract law structure. The conversation dives into how these trusts can shield assets from d

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