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The Mind-Body Couple

Tanner Murtagh and Anne Hampson

Tanner Murtagh and Anne Hampson are therapists who treat neuroplastic pain and mind-body symptoms. They are also married! In his 20s, Tanner overcame chronic pain and a fibromyalgia diagnosis by learning his symptoms were occurring due to learned brain pathways and nervous system dysregulation. Post-healing, Tanner and Anne have dedicated their lives to developing effective treatment and education for neuroplastic pain and symptoms. Listen and learn how to assess your own chronic pain and symptoms, gain tools to retrain the brain and nervous system, and make gradual changes in your life and health!

The Mind-Body Couple podcast is owned by Pain Psychotherapy Canada Inc. This podcast is produced by Alex Klassen, who is one of the wonderful therapists at our agency in Calgary, Alberta. https://www.painpsychotherapy.ca/

Tanner, Anne, and Alex also run the MBody Community, which is an in-depth online course that provides step-by-step guidance for assessing, treating, and resolving mind-body pain and symptoms. https://www.mbodycommunity.com

Also check out Tanner's YouTube channel for more free education and practices: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Fl6WaFHnh4ponuexaMbFQ

And follow us for daily education posts on Instagram: @painpsychotherapy

Disclaimer: The information provided on this podcast is for general informational and educational purposes and is not a substitute for professional advice, psychotherapy, or counselling. If you choose to utilize any of the education, strategies, or techniques in this podcast you are doing so at your own risk.

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Thursday · 22 min
The Return of Spontaneity: A Great Sign of Chronic Pain/Symptom Recovery
Tanner and Anne explore how chronic pain and symptoms quietly take away spontaneity and replace it with fear-based planning and calculation, meant to protect from flare-ups. We start with an important question: “If symptoms disappeared, what would life look like?” From there, we discuss avoidance reduction and reclaiming freedom. Understand how hypervigilance, fatigue, grief, isolation follow symptoms, and how the world shrinks Learn why long-term avoidance becomes a danger signal in neuroplastic pain/symptoms Hear examples of how graded exposure to spontaneity can occur with small, concrete, paced steps. Celebrate “small” healing wins that are actually big nervous system shifts Tanner Murtagh and Anne Hampson are therapists who treat neuroplastic pain and mind-body symptoms. They are also married! In his 20s, Tanner overcame chronic pain and a fibromyalgia diagnosis by learning his symptoms were neuroplastic, not structural. Post-healing, Tanner and Anne have dedicated their lives to developing effective treatment and education for neuroplastic pain and symptoms. Listen and learn how to assess your own chronic pain and symptoms, gain tools to retrain the brain and nervous system, and make changes in your life and health! The Mind-Body Couple podcast is owned by Pain Psychotherapy Canada Inc. This podcast is produced by Alex Klassen, one of the wonderful therapists at our agency in Calgary, Alberta. https://www.painpsychotherapy.ca/ Tanner, Anne, and Alex also run the MBody Community, an in-depth online course that provides a step-by-step process for assessing, treating, and resolving mind-body pain and symptoms. https://www.mbodycommunity.com Check out Tanner's YouTube channel for more free education and practices: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Fl6WaFHnh4ponuexaMbFQ And follow us for daily education posts on Instagram: @painpsychotherapy Disclaimer: The information provided on this podcast is for general in...
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August 14 · 25 min
3 Ways You Accidentally Teach Your Brain Danger
Tanner & Anne unpack 3 subtle habits that can keep your nervous system stuck in danger mode, even when you are doing everything you can to heal neuroplastic pain & symptoms. We share how to spot these patterns in real time and how we retrain the brain with awareness, helpful redirection, and gentle exposure back into life. • The brain’s constant “safe or danger” scan and why symptoms increase scanning • Catching obsessive checking, testing, and reassurance seeking • Using awareness and helpful distraction to teach safety • The certainty trap and how it fuels overanalyzing and control • Why you do not need 100% belief to make progress • How avoiding life teaches the brain that life is unsafe • Pacing exposure, expecting bumps, and building safety Tanner Murtagh and Anne Hampson are therapists who treat neuroplastic pain and mind-body symptoms. They are also married! In his 20s, Tanner overcame chronic pain and a fibromyalgia diagnosis by learning his symptoms were neuroplastic, not structural. Post-healing, Tanner and Anne have dedicated their lives to developing effective treatment and education for neuroplastic pain and symptoms. Listen and learn how to assess your own chronic pain and symptoms, gain tools to retrain the brain and nervous system, and make changes in your life and health! The Mind-Body Couple podcast is owned by Pain Psychotherapy Canada Inc. This podcast is produced by Alex Klassen, one of the wonderful therapists at our agency in Calgary, Alberta. https://www.painpsychotherapy.ca/ Tanner, Anne, and Alex also run the MBody Community, an in-depth online course that provides a step-by-step process for assessing, treating, and resolving mind-body pain and symptoms. https://www.mbodycommunity.com Check out Tanner's YouTube channel for more free education and practices: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Fl6WaFHnh4ponuexaMbFQ And follow us for daily education posts on Instagram: @painpsychotherapy Disclaimer: The information provided on this podcast is for general in...
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July 21 · 36 min
The Top 5 Signs My Pain & Symptoms Were Neuroplastic
Tanner and Anne share five personal, practical signs that helped Tanner recognize his chronic pain and symptoms were neuroplastic rather than structural. We explain why collecting this evidence builds real hope and supports an effective path toward recovery. Tanner's top 5 signs: #1 Recognizing that his symptoms were driven by emotions, as showed up during a prolonged period of stress. #2 The spread and movment of Tanner's pain didn't make physical sense, helping him see that it was caused by the brain and nervous system - physical damage and disease shouldn’t behave that way! #3 Tanner noticed that pain was rising with delayed onset, meaning it felt ok during an activity, only to flare up later - this also didn't make physical sense! #4 Tanner noticed his symptoms were tied to his daily mood and emotions, helping him realize his nervous system state was directly influencing his symptom-level. #5 They were inconsistent! Tanner has a lot of strict rules when he was in pain, but he started to realize that the pain wasn't behaving predictably and the rules could be broken. Tanner Murtagh and Anne Hampson are therapists who treat neuroplastic pain and mind-body symptoms. They are also married! In his 20s, Tanner overcame chronic pain and a fibromyalgia diagnosis by learning his symptoms were neuroplastic, not structural. Post-healing, Tanner and Anne have dedicated their lives to developing effective treatment and education for neuroplastic pain and symptoms. Listen and learn how to assess your own chronic pain and symptoms, gain tools to retrain the brain and nervous system, and make changes in your life and health! The Mind-Body Couple podcast is owned by Pain Psychotherapy Canada Inc. This podcast is produced by Alex Klassen, one of the wonderful therapists at our agency in Calgary, Alberta. https://www.painpsychotherapy.ca/ Tanner, Anne, and Alex also run the MBody Community, an in-depth online course that provides a step-by-step process for assessing, treating, and resolving mind-body pain and symptoms. https://www.mbodycommunity.com Check out Tanner's YouTube channel for more free education and practices: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Fl6WaFHnh4ponuexaMbFQ And follow us for daily education posts on Instagram: @painpsychotherapy Disclaimer: The information provided on this podcast is for general in...
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July 9 · 24 min
How To Break A Negative Self-Talk Loop (With Free Meditation)
Tanner explains how danger self-talk can keep the nervous system dysregulated by continually reinforcing a sense of danger. When your nervous system is dysregulated, your brain naturally moves toward worry, negative biasing, and problems. This is reversible! But the intervention requires more than just targeting thoughts. We guide a simple practice to watch thoughts with distance, shift into the body, and coach the nervous system toward safety. Tanner Murtagh and Anne Hampson are therapists who treat neuroplastic pain and mind-body symptoms. They are also married! In his 20s, Tanner overcame chronic pain and a fibromyalgia diagnosis by learning his symptoms were neuroplastic, not structural. Post-healing, Tanner and Anne have dedicated their lives to developing effective treatment and education for neuroplastic pain and symptoms. Listen and learn how to assess your own chronic pain and symptoms, gain tools to retrain the brain and nervous system, and make changes in your life and health! The Mind-Body Couple podcast is owned by Pain Psychotherapy Canada Inc. This podcast is produced by Alex Klassen, one of the wonderful therapists at our agency in Calgary, Alberta. https://www.painpsychotherapy.ca/ Tanner, Anne, and Alex also run the MBody Community, an in-depth online course that provides a step-by-step process for assessing, treating, and resolving mind-body pain and symptoms. https://www.mbodycommunity.com Check out Tanner's YouTube channel for more free education and practices: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Fl6WaFHnh4ponuexaMbFQ And follow us for daily education posts on Instagram: @painpsychotherapy Disclaimer: The information provided on this podcast is for general in...
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June 23 · 30 min
(Revised) Why People Don't Understand Your Chronic Pain/Symptoms (And What To Do!)
We read out the kinds of comments so many listeners have heard: “it’s all in your head,” “just push through,” “you look fine” We unpack why those words spike fear, isolation when you're dealing with chronic pain and symptoms. We share a story from early in our relationship, when a vacation we hoped would reset everything turned into a painful turning point. It’s messy and honest. We talk about how both experiences can be true at once. The person in pain deserves compassion and validation, and the supporter may also feel overwhelmed, confused, or helpless. You’ll leave with practical communication tools you can use right away, plus a reality check about safety: when open conversation helps, and when certain relationships or providers are unlikely to change. We end with a hopeful strategy we’ve seen work again and again building a mind body team by educating the people who support you, so your recovery tools like somatic practices, graded exposure, and brain-based approaches make sense to everyone at home. Tanner Murtagh and Anne Hampson are therapists who treat neuroplastic pain and mind-body symptoms. They are also married! In his 20s, Tanner overcame chronic pain and a fibromyalgia diagnosis by learning his symptoms were neuroplastic, not structural. Post-healing, Tanner and Anne have dedicated their lives to developing effective treatment and education for neuroplastic pain and symptoms. Listen and learn how to assess your own chronic pain and symptoms, gain tools to retrain the brain and nervous system, and make changes in your life and health! The Mind-Body Couple podcast is owned by Pain Psychotherapy Canada Inc. This podcast is produced by Alex Klassen, one of the wonderful therapists at our agency in Calgary, Alberta. https://www.painpsychotherapy.ca/ Tanner, Anne, and Alex also run the MBody Community, an in-depth online course that provides a step-by-step process for assessing, treating, and resolving mind-body pain and symptoms. https://www.mbodycommunity.com Check out Tanner's YouTube channel for more free education and practices: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Fl6WaFHnh4ponuexaMbFQ And follow us for daily education posts on Instagram: @painpsychotherapy Disclaimer: The information provided on this podcast is for general in...
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June 4 · 35 min
Chronic Pain/Symptoms Are Actually The Side Effect (Find the Root Cause!)
In today's episode, Tanner and Anne provide ideas on how to get to the root cause of your chronic pain or symptoms. Neuroplastic pain/symptoms occur when there's a sense of danger and dysregulation in the brain and nervous system - not due to physical disease or damage. So it makes sense to ask - what's creating this sense of danger? You'll learn about pain/symptoms can be fueled by: • Prolonged high stress, including perfectionism and people pleasing • Childhood adversity and trauma as sensitizing factros • Pathological views of the body fueled by medical ideas, Googling, ChatGPT, fear, and avoidance • Emotional resistance • Dysregulated responses to feeling pain/symptoms throughout the day. Tanner Murtagh and Anne Hampson are therapists who treat neuroplastic pain and mind-body symptoms. They are also married! In his 20s, Tanner overcame chronic pain and a fibromyalgia diagnosis by learning his symptoms were neuroplastic, not structural. Post-healing, Tanner and Anne have dedicated their lives to developing effective treatment and education for neuroplastic pain and symptoms. Listen and learn how to assess your own chronic pain and symptoms, gain tools to retrain the brain and nervous system, and make changes in your life and health! The Mind-Body Couple podcast is owned by Pain Psychotherapy Canada Inc. This podcast is produced by Alex Klassen, one of the wonderful therapists at our agency in Calgary, Alberta. https://www.painpsychotherapy.ca/ Tanner, Anne, and Alex also run the MBody Community, an in-depth online course that provides a step-by-step process for assessing, treating, and resolving mind-body pain and symptoms. https://www.mbodycommunity.com Check out Tanner's YouTube channel for more free education and practices: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Fl6WaFHnh4ponuexaMbFQ And follow us for daily education posts on Instagram: @painpsychotherapy Disclaimer: The information provided on this podcast is for general in...
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May 21 · 38 min
Dr. Howard Schubiner Explains: How to Unlearn Your Pain
Dr. Howard Schubiner just might be the most experienced and knowledgable physician on the planet, when it comes to the research and treatment of neuroplastic pain and symptoms. We're honoured to have him join us! Howard sits down with Tanner to teach and share about his new book, Unlearn Your Pain. You'll hear about: • Howard's path into mind-body medicine and why this work challenges the status quo • What his new, comprehensive Unlearn Your Pain book provides readers, including neuroscience, an exploration of specific conditions (not just pain!), plus evidence-based treatment • Predictive processing - how the brain creates our experiences (sometimes incorrectly) in an effort to help us • The role of belief and confidence in healing, and how that "click" can happen • Key signs that suggest neuroplastic symptoms, after medical causes are ruled out • Anxiety, OCD, PTSD, and depression as neuroplastic conditions - and why treatment principles overlap Preorder Dr. Schubiner's latest book here: https://www.amazon.ca/Unlearn-Your-Pain-Recovering-Depression/dp/0593994361/ref=sr_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.cvbjtQFOl7jwFIyUyF8ou3RirwMcT96jsAsw_R5VaLiXB3kBjxW-9mQrP-S8MJ_TKT-rOizNpTTz5VKiugKM0V-f51H5Wma4ErRK8-ZG5Tzsuhm0FxOHzICS2MjqS0nOjVMVKo7qqI4nHD2G3SZSJJYgQ_qQLOWAmVA09avMK5uYWOHjTqEu6oRqBg8FQrw0ebSNUqK2n1va56oKORtEF-ipNOMEXWHbRqvpDs2eYQkCwau7_M1JV9ilh_UrMmin_2uNd-Ch1sjmJKTaYrfn-DM1q-77ct4f-yz8nSdX6nQ.2FPlIMtVoNa9e3l1ZkGRPHbpbCWn3nqu9_9213ryK20&dib_tag=se&keywords=unlearn+your+pain+by+howard+schubiner&qid=1777923581&sr=8-1 Tanner Murtagh and Anne Hampson are therapists who treat neuroplastic pain and mind-body symptoms. They are also married! In his 20s, Tanner overcame chronic pain and a fibromyalgia diagnosis by learning his symptoms were neuroplastic, not structural. Post-healing, Tanner and Anne have dedicated their lives to developing effective treatment and education for neuroplastic pain and symptoms. Listen and learn how to assess your own chronic pain and symptoms, gain tools to retrain the brain and nervous system, and make changes in your life and health! The Mind-Body Couple podcast is owned by Pain Psychotherapy Canada Inc. This podcast is produced by Alex Klassen, one of the wonderful therapists at our agency in Calgary, Alberta. https://www.painpsychotherapy.ca/ Tanner, Anne, and Alex also run the MBody Community, an in-depth online course that provides a step-by-step process for assessing, treating, and resolving mind-body pain and symptoms. https://www.mbodycommunity.com Check out Tanner's YouTube channel for more free education and practices: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Fl6WaFHnh4ponuexaMbFQ And follow us for daily education posts on Instagram: @painpsychotherapy Disclaimer: The information provided on this podcast is for general in...
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May 7 · 37 min
Healing Your Anxiety AND Chronic Pain/Symptoms (With Free Practice)
Anxiety feels chronic for many of us, and it gets even harder when it increases due to chronic pain and symptoms. Tanner sits down with our producer and fellow therapist, Alex Klassen, to zoom in on neuroception: your body’s antenna that scans for danger before your thinking mind even has a chance to weigh in. When your neuroception is sensitized, it starts overreading threat in everyday moments. That doesn’t mean you’re broken. It means your alarm system is doing its job a little too aggressively. From there, we share the simple but powerful idea from Pain Reprocessing Therapy : Somatic tracking - using repeated calm, curious attention to sensations - helps the brain reappraise input from your body and environment as safe. We guide a free anxiety meditation you can replay anytime to practice moving toward anxious sensations without spiraling, desensitizing your overprotective alarm system. Tanner Murtagh and Anne Hampson are therapists who treat neuroplastic pain and mind-body symptoms. They are also married! In his 20s, Tanner overcame chronic pain and a fibromyalgia diagnosis by learning his symptoms were neuroplastic, not structural. Post-healing, Tanner and Anne have dedicated their lives to developing effective treatment and education for neuroplastic pain and symptoms. Listen and learn how to assess your own chronic pain and symptoms, gain tools to retrain the brain and nervous system, and make changes in your life and health! The Mind-Body Couple podcast is owned by Pain Psychotherapy Canada Inc. This podcast is produced by Alex Klassen, one of the wonderful therapists at our agency in Calgary, Alberta. https://www.painpsychotherapy.ca/ Tanner, Anne, and Alex also run the MBody Community, an in-depth online course that provides a step-by-step process for assessing, treating, and resolving mind-body pain and symptoms. https://www.mbodycommunity.com Check out Tanner's YouTube channel for more free education and practices: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Fl6WaFHnh4ponuexaMbFQ And follow us for daily education posts on Instagram: @painpsychotherapy Disclaimer: The information provided on this podcast is for general in...
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April 23 · 25 min
Why Do Women Experience More Chronic Pain & Symptoms?
The rules many women are handed... be agreeable, don’t be too much, handle everything... aren’t just exhausting. They reshape the nervous system’s sense of safety and can wire the body for neuroplastic pain and symptoms. We connect the dots between culture, trauma, medical minimization, and neuroplastic pain/symptoms, and consider how small steps can lead women to recover voice and rebuild fair systems at home and work. Neuroplastic pain and symptoms are 100% real, but rather than being a result of physical pathology, they are generated by a sensitized brain and nervous system. We explore how social expectations can silence anger and need, driving the system into chronic fight, flight, fawn or freeze/shutdown. You’ll hear why feeling more deeply and speaking more clearly can actually reduce pain sensitivity, and how small exposures (like one direct request, one honest journal entry, or one boundary) can restore a sense of safety. If you’ve ever felt “too much,” carried guilt for feeling like you can't handle it all, or wondered why your symptoms spike when you swallow your truth, this conversation offers answers. Tanner Murtagh and Anne Hampson are therapists who treat neuroplastic pain and mind-body symptoms. They are also married! In his 20s, Tanner overcame chronic pain and a fibromyalgia diagnosis by learning his symptoms were neuroplastic, not structural. Post-healing, Tanner and Anne have dedicated their lives to developing effective treatment and education for neuroplastic pain and symptoms. Listen and learn how to assess your own chronic pain and symptoms, gain tools to retrain the brain and nervous system, and make changes in your life and health! The Mind-Body Couple podcast is owned by Pain Psychotherapy Canada Inc. This podcast is produced by Alex Klassen, one of the wonderful therapists at our agency in Calgary, Alberta. https://www.painpsychotherapy.ca/ Tanner, Anne, and Alex also run the MBody Community, an in-depth online course that provides a step-by-step process for assessing, treating, and resolving mind-body pain and symptoms. https://www.mbodycommunity.com Check out Tanner's YouTube channel for more free education and practices: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Fl6WaFHnh4ponuexaMbFQ And follow us for daily education posts on Instagram: @painpsychotherapy Disclaimer: The information provided on this podcast is for general in...
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April 9 · 39 min
How to Find The Right Therapist for Chronic Pain & Symptom Recovery
If you're using a mind-body approach to heal your chronic pain/symptoms, the right therapist is a game-changer. Tanner sits down with fellow chronic pain psychotherapist, Paul LePointe, to discuss different therapy approaches and styles. Tanner and Paul discuss their practice, help you understand your options, and provide practical ideas on how to find the right therapist for you. Tanner and Paul both experienced chronic, debilitating neuroplastic pain - and recovered! They now provide 1-on-1 therapy at Pain Psychotherapy Canada. Tanner and Paul explore: Key questions to ask when you're consulting with a potential new therapist How therapist style and approach differences can shape outcomes Why people can still feel stuck, even with a skilled therapist Tanner Murtagh and Anne Hampson are therapists who treat neuroplastic pain and mind-body symptoms. They are also married! In his 20s, Tanner overcame chronic pain and a fibromyalgia diagnosis by learning his symptoms were neuroplastic, not structural. Post-healing, Tanner and Anne have dedicated their lives to developing effective treatment and education for neuroplastic pain and symptoms. Listen and learn how to assess your own chronic pain and symptoms, gain tools to retrain the brain and nervous system, and make changes in your life and health! The Mind-Body Couple podcast is owned by Pain Psychotherapy Canada Inc. This podcast is produced by Alex Klassen, one of the wonderful therapists at our agency in Calgary, Alberta. https://www.painpsychotherapy.ca/ Tanner, Anne, and Alex also run the MBody Community, an in-depth online course that provides a step-by-step process for assessing, treating, and resolving mind-body pain and symptoms. https://www.mbodycommunity.com Check out Tanner's YouTube channel for more free education and practices: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Fl6WaFHnh4ponuexaMbFQ And follow us for daily education posts on Instagram: @painpsychotherapy Disclaimer: The information provided on this podcast is for general in...
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March 26 · 25 min
Somatic Tracking for Chronic Pain & Symptoms: Free Guide
Tanner hosts a solo episode, sharing a free somatic tracking practice from the MBody Community digital course. Tanner first explains how chronic pain and symptoms can be neuroplastic (caused by the brain, not the body). He then breaks down the sensitization cycle - the feedback loop that makes symptoms sustain and worsen. Tanner provides practical instructions on the how to use somatic tracking to retrain your brain and desensitize pain/symptoms. The episode includes a free somatic tracking guide you can make part of your daily practice. It's one of 60+ practices from our course - The Somatic Safety Method, published by MBody Community. Tanner Murtagh and Anne Hampson are therapists who treat neuroplastic pain and mind-body symptoms. They are also married! In his 20s, Tanner overcame chronic pain and a fibromyalgia diagnosis by learning his symptoms were neuroplastic, not structural. Post-healing, Tanner and Anne have dedicated their lives to developing effective treatment and education for neuroplastic pain and symptoms. Listen and learn how to assess your own chronic pain and symptoms, gain tools to retrain the brain and nervous system, and make changes in your life and health! The Mind-Body Couple podcast is owned by Pain Psychotherapy Canada Inc. This podcast is produced by Alex Klassen, one of the wonderful therapists at our agency in Calgary, Alberta. https://www.painpsychotherapy.ca/ Tanner, Anne, and Alex also run the MBody Community, an in-depth online course that provides a step-by-step process for assessing, treating, and resolving mind-body pain and symptoms. https://www.mbodycommunity.com Check out Tanner's YouTube channel for more free education and practices: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Fl6WaFHnh4ponuexaMbFQ And follow us for daily education posts on Instagram: @painpsychotherapy Disclaimer: The information provided on this podcast is for general in...
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March 12 · 33 min
Treat the Root Cause: Fatigue & Long Covid feat. Dr. Kennedy
In this episode, we are joined by one of the world's leading expert physicians on neuroplastic pain and symptoms. Dr. Rebecca Kennedy sits down with Tanner, sharing science, personal stories, and practical ideas to get to the root of chronic symptoms - and heal! We discuss how chronic fatigue and long COVID are commonly neuroplastic - meaning they are generated by the brain and nervous system, not ongoing physical damage or disease. You'll lean: • Why downstream biomarkers reflect brain functioning and nervous system state, not irreversible physical damage • Why symptoms occur, and how they can move and change • The importance of emotional awareness and expression in recovery • Ideas for increasing mind-body communication • About Dr. Kennedy’s 1:1 work, team approach, and upcoming course Rebecca Kennedy, MD, is a family medicine physician with more than 20 years of clinical experience. She worked at a migrant farmworker clinic at the start of her career, then spent 15 years at Kaiser Permanente in Portland, Oregon, where she served as the lead physician for the Long COVID specialty group. In 2023, she founded Resilience Health Care, a clinic dedicated to treating neuroplastic symptoms. She now provides virtual consultations to patients worldwide and supports recovery from a wide range of chronic symptoms with a particular focus on long COVID. She is active in teaching, collaboration, and advocacy. Dr. Kennedy collaborates internationally on treating chronic pain and other persistent symptoms. She is a member of the Oslo Chronic Fatigue Consortium and serves as board chair of the nonprofit Association for the Treatment of Neuroplastic Symptoms (ATNS). Dr. Kennedy's Resilience Health Care Clinic: https://resilience-healthcare.com/ Tanner Murtagh and Anne Hampson are therapists who treat neuroplastic pain and mind-body symptoms. They are also married! In his 20s, Tanner overcame chronic pain and a fibromyalgia diagnosis by learning his symptoms were neuroplastic, not structural. Post-healing, Tanner and Anne have dedicated their lives to developing effective treatment and education for neuroplastic pain and symptoms. Listen and learn how to assess your own chronic pain and symptoms, gain tools to retrain the brain and nervous system, and make changes in your life and health! The Mind-Body Couple podcast is owned by Pain Psychotherapy Canada Inc. This podcast is produced by Alex Klassen, one of the wonderful therapists at our agency in Calgary, Alberta. https://www.painpsychotherapy.ca/ Tanner, Anne, and Alex also run the MBody Community, an in-depth online course that provides a step-by-step process for assessing, treating, and resolving mind-body pain and symptoms. https://www.mbodycommunity.com Check out Tanner's YouTube channel for more free education and practices: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Fl6WaFHnh4ponuexaMbFQ And follow us for daily education posts on Instagram: @painpsychotherapy Disclaimer: The information provided on this podcast is for general in...
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February 26 · 26 min
Trauma Triggers: What can I do when I freeze?
We answer a listener’s question about the freeze response, teaching a straightforward method to move from freeze to safety. We normalize triggers and provide practical ideas you can use to respond when your nervous system drops in to danger mode. • Learn the ADDS skill: ask why, drop in, describe, shift to safety • Hear Tanner's personal story of rejection and freeze, and how he got out For more free content, check out the links for our YouTube channel, Instagram, and Facebook accounts in the episode description Tanner Murtagh and Anne Hampson are therapists who treat neuroplastic pain and mind-body symptoms. They are also married! In his 20s, Tanner overcame chronic pain and a fibromyalgia diagnosis by learning his symptoms were neuroplastic, not structural. Post-healing, Tanner and Anne have dedicated their lives to developing effective treatment and education for neuroplastic pain and symptoms. Listen and learn how to assess your own chronic pain and symptoms, gain tools to retrain the brain and nervous system, and make changes in your life and health! The Mind-Body Couple podcast is owned by Pain Psychotherapy Canada Inc. This podcast is produced by Alex Klassen, one of the wonderful therapists at our agency in Calgary, Alberta. https://www.painpsychotherapy.ca/ Tanner, Anne, and Alex also run the MBody Community, an in-depth online course that provides a step-by-step process for assessing, treating, and resolving mind-body pain and symptoms. https://www.mbodycommunity.com Check out Tanner's YouTube channel for more free education and practices: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Fl6WaFHnh4ponuexaMbFQ And follow us for daily education posts on Instagram: @painpsychotherapy Disclaimer: The information provided on this podcast is for general in...
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February 12 · 23 min
THE #1 Strategy to Cure Neuroplastic Pain or Symptoms
In this special episode, where we're joined by our producer (and fellow psychotherapist) Alex Klassen. We each showed up - without any previous conversation - ready to share our answer to the question: What is THE #1 Strategy to Cure Neuroplastic Pain or Symptoms? And as you might predict - we didn't all pick the same strategy! Join us as we discuss: Becoming informed about neuroplastic pain and symptoms Diving in to the work Show and tell method for nervous system retraining The importance of bringing embodiment into your whole life For more free content, check out the links for our YouTube channel, Instagram, and Facebook accounts in the episode description Tanner Murtagh and Anne Hampson are therapists who treat neuroplastic pain and mind-body symptoms. They are also married! In his 20s, Tanner overcame chronic pain and a fibromyalgia diagnosis by learning his symptoms were neuroplastic, not structural. Post-healing, Tanner and Anne have dedicated their lives to developing effective treatment and education for neuroplastic pain and symptoms. Listen and learn how to assess your own chronic pain and symptoms, gain tools to retrain the brain and nervous system, and make changes in your life and health! The Mind-Body Couple podcast is owned by Pain Psychotherapy Canada Inc. This podcast is produced by Alex Klassen, one of the wonderful therapists at our agency in Calgary, Alberta. https://www.painpsychotherapy.ca/ Tanner, Anne, and Alex also run the MBody Community, an in-depth online course that provides a step-by-step process for assessing, treating, and resolving mind-body pain and symptoms. https://www.mbodycommunity.com Check out Tanner's YouTube channel for more free education and practices: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Fl6WaFHnh4ponuexaMbFQ And follow us for daily education posts on Instagram: @painpsychotherapy Disclaimer: The information provided on this podcast is for general in...
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January 29 · 33 min
Career Success While Healing Chronic Symptoms
Ambition doesn’t have to cost your health. We start with the core problem: living neck up. Our culture rewards cognition—thinking, fixing, producing—while the body’s signals get ignored until they become symptoms. We dig into how to build a meaningful career without reigniting chronic pain/symptoms or overwhelming your nervous system. Tanner shares his personal experience, running two small businesses and staying healthy. We share a simple, fast tool called drop-in and describe: a 30–60 second check-in you can do multiple times an hour. You’ll hear how that tiny practice can lead to big changes, as you hear your nervous system cues and respond with regulation. Healing doesn’t demand that you dim your drive; it asks you to balance it. If you’re ready to pursue growth with a safer body and a clearer mind, join us for strategies you can use today. If this resonates, subscribe, share with a friend who’s pushing too hard, and leave a review to help others find the show. Tanner Murtagh and Anne Hampson are therapists who treat neuroplastic pain and mind-body symptoms. They are also married! In his 20s, Tanner overcame chronic pain and a fibromyalgia diagnosis by learning his symptoms were neuroplastic, not structural. Post-healing, Tanner and Anne have dedicated their lives to developing effective treatment and education for neuroplastic pain and symptoms. Listen and learn how to assess your own chronic pain and symptoms, gain tools to retrain the brain and nervous system, and make changes in your life and health! The Mind-Body Couple podcast is owned by Pain Psychotherapy Canada Inc. This podcast is produced by Alex Klassen, one of the wonderful therapists at our agency in Calgary, Alberta. https://www.painpsychotherapy.ca/ Tanner, Anne, and Alex also run the MBody Community, an in-depth online course that provides a step-by-step process for assessing, treating, and resolving mind-body pain and symptoms. https://www.mbodycommunity.com Check out Tanner's YouTube channel for more free education and practices: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Fl6WaFHnh4ponuexaMbFQ And follow us for daily education posts on Instagram: @painpsychotherapy Disclaimer: The information provided on this podcast is for general in...
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#136
January 15 · 24 min
Work Somatically to Heal Trauma
We answer Joni’s question about healing medical trauma after a health scare and show how to restore nervous system regulation using embodiment, exposure, and personal safety signals. We break down therapy room steps and an at-home plan to reduce dysregulation following traumatic events. We explore: • Medical trauma as a driver of health anxiety and chronic symptoms • Why avoidance reinforces danger • Embodiment defined and made practical • Building personalized safety signals before processing trauma • Staying within the healing window and pacing • Using repetition to desensitize triggers and stabilize safety Tanner Murtagh and Anne Hampson are therapists who treat neuroplastic pain and mind-body symptoms. They are also married! In his 20s, Tanner overcame chronic pain and a fibromyalgia diagnosis by learning his symptoms were neuroplastic, not structural. Post-healing, Tanner and Anne have dedicated their lives to developing effective treatment and education for neuroplastic pain and symptoms. Listen and learn how to assess your own chronic pain and symptoms, gain tools to retrain the brain and nervous system, and make changes in your life and health! The Mind-Body Couple podcast is owned by Pain Psychotherapy Canada Inc. This podcast is produced by Alex Klassen, one of the wonderful therapists at our agency in Calgary, Alberta. https://www.painpsychotherapy.ca/ Tanner, Anne, and Alex also run the MBody Community, an in-depth online course that provides a step-by-step process for assessing, treating, and resolving mind-body pain and symptoms. https://www.mbodycommunity.com Check out Tanner's YouTube channel for more free education and practices: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Fl6WaFHnh4ponuexaMbFQ And follow us for daily education posts on Instagram: @painpsychotherapy Disclaimer: The information provided on this podcast is for general in...
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#135
January 1 · 31 min
Make 2026 The Year You Heal Chronic Pain and Symptoms
Send your questions to be answered live on the podcast to: info@painpsychotherapy.ca Ready to make 2026 the year you unlearn chronic pain or symptoms? We’re laying out 4 clear steps to heal. We start by reframing chronic symptoms through a neuroplastic lens: when assessments are clear and physical fixes stall, it often means the body is capable but the brain’s danger system is overprotective. From there, we dig into full commitment—trading treatment inconsistentcy for dedicated daily practices that teach safety. You’ll hear how small, measurable wins mark real change that leads to symptom reduction. Next, we break down the sensitization cycle and how to respond to sensations with safety instead of danger. We discuss embodiment practices that help you approach pain with curiosity, pairing these practices with safety signals like slow breathing and grounded awareness. Then we tackle the hidden rulebook—those “don’t bend, don’t eat, must stretch” rules that keep life small and fuel symptoms. We discuss how graded exposure can retrain the brain and reclaim movement, foods, places, and activities one small step at a time. Along the way, we share real-world examples, mindset shifts, and function-first goals that make this work feel doable and meaningful. If you’re ready to replace fear with skills and grow your world again, hit play, save this one, and share it with someone who needs hope. Subscribe for more mind-body tools, leave a review to support the show, and send us your question for our upcoming Q&A series. Tanner Murtagh and Anne Hampson are therapists who treat neuroplastic pain and mind-body symptoms. They are also married! In his 20s, Tanner overcame chronic pain and a fibromyalgia diagnosis by learning his symptoms were neuroplastic, not structural. Post-healing, Tanner and Anne have dedicated their lives to developing effective treatment and education for neuroplastic pain and symptoms. Listen and learn how to assess your own chronic pain and symptoms, gain tools to retrain the brain and nervous system, and make changes in your life and health! The Mind-Body Couple podcast is owned by Pain Psychotherapy Canada Inc. This podcast is produced by Alex Klassen, one of the wonderful therapists at our agency in Calgary, Alberta. https://www.painpsychotherapy.ca/ Tanner, Anne, and Alex also run the MBody Community, an in-depth online course that provides a step-by-step process for assessing, treating, and resolving mind-body pain and symptoms. https://www.mbodycommunity.com Check out Tanner's YouTube channel for more free education and practices: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Fl6WaFHnh4ponuexaMbFQ And follow us for daily education posts on Instagram: @painpsychotherapy Disclaimer: The information provided on this podcast is for general in...
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#134
Dec 18, 2025 · 41 min
Holiday Survival Guide For Chronic Pain & Illness
Send your questions to be answered live on the podcast to: info@painpsychotherapy.ca The holidays can be filled with joy, but for many living with chronic pain or chronic illness, December brings spikes in symptoms, packed calendars, and pressure to perform happiness. We unpack why this happens through a brain and nervous system lens and share a realistic survival guide you can actually use, even on your busiest days. We break down how neuroplastic pain and illness amplifies under holiday “danger signals” such as: family conflict or distance, pressure, people pleasing, financial strain, and social or physical exposure. Then we get practical. You’ll learn how to stack safety signals—breathwork, present-moment sensing, qigong, visualization, safe self-talk—in ways that fit your style, whether you prefer scheduled 20-minute practices or quick five-minute resets during gatherings. We also walk through processing dysregulation without suppression, because resisting emotion reliably cranks up pain and symptom sensitivity, while gentle exposure paired with safety calms your system. Finally, we tackle people pleasing with tools that protect your energy and your relationships. Set boundaries inside your healing window—limit events, simplify gifts, and skip conflict-heavy topics. Practice free expression that’s honest and kind, reducing resentment and easing your nervous system. Lower intensity on purpose: slow your pace, schedule non-negotiable regulation time, and choose fewer traditions to do. If you’ve felt trapped between wanting a meaningful holiday season and managing symptoms, this conversation offers a clear route to both. Subscribe, share with someone who needs a calmer holiday, and leave a review to help others discover practical tools for neuroplastic pain and nervous system regulation. Safety Signal Practice: https://youtu.be/gCMCfPZ7Qr0 Emotion & Dysregulation Practice: https://youtu.be/qJ-dZ1YRFYc Tanner Murtagh and Anne Hampson are therapists who treat neuroplastic pain and mind-body symptoms. They are also married! In his 20s, Tanner overcame chronic pain and a fibromyalgia diagnosis by learning his symptoms were neuroplastic, not structural. Post-healing, Tanner and Anne have dedicated their lives to developing effective treatment and education for neuroplastic pain and symptoms. Listen and learn how to assess your own chronic pain and symptoms, gain tools to retrain the brain and nervous system, and make changes in your life and health! The Mind-Body Couple podcast is owned by Pain Psychotherapy Canada Inc. This podcast is produced by Alex Klassen, one of the wonderful therapists at our agency in Calgary, Alberta. https://www.painpsychotherapy.ca/ Tanner, Anne, and Alex also run the MBody Community, an in-depth online course that provides a step-by-step process for assessing, treating, and resolving mind-body pain and symptoms. https://www.mbodycommunity.com Check out Tanner's YouTube channel for more free education and practices: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Fl6WaFHnh4ponuexaMbFQ And follow us for daily education posts on Instagram: @painpsychotherapy Disclaimer: The information provided on this podcast is for general in...
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#133
Dec 11, 2025 · 35 min
Can You Combine Physiotherapy with a Neuroplastic Approach? - with Jim Prussack Jr. MPT, MMT
What if the most powerful lever for chronic pain isn’t in your muscles or joints, but in your brain’s pain system? We sit down with Jim Prussack a physiotherapist who left a strictly structural model behind after diving deep into pain science, mentorship with John Sarno and Howard Schubiner, and years on the front lines of complex cases. The takeaway is both hopeful and concrete. We walk through how to tell if symptoms are neuroplastic—looking at timelines, flares tied to stress, inconsistency across activities, and the absence of clear tissue damage. From there, we show why acceptance of the diagnosis is the foundation for every tool that follows, whether it’s graded exposure, cognitive functional therapy, somatic tracking, breathing, or journaling. You’ll hear how reassurance and a trauma-informed approach outperform nocebo-laden scripts like “your core is weak,” and why the best PT sometimes looks like coaching confidence rather than chasing a tight muscle. We also get specific about mixing psychotherapy and physical therapy without sending mixed signals. For some, active PT restores trust in movement; for others, psychological work on fear, grief, and old patterns unlocks the nervous system. The unifying thread is coherence: consistent, safety-first messaging that teaches the brain to downshift from threat. If you’re navigating persistent pain, pelvic pain, back pain, or other functional symptoms, this conversation offers a practical roadmap built on pain neuroscience, neuroplasticity, and lived clinical wisdom. Subscribe, share with someone who needs a new lens on healing, and leave a review to help others find the show. Connect with Jim here: Website: https://www.thepainpt.com/ YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@thepainpt Tanner Murtagh and Anne Hampson are therapists who treat neuroplastic pain and mind-body symptoms. They are also married! In his 20s, Tanner overcame chronic pain and a fibromyalgia diagnosis by learning his symptoms were neuroplastic, not structural. Post-healing, Tanner and Anne have dedicated their lives to developing effective treatment and education for neuroplastic pain and symptoms. Listen and learn how to assess your own chronic pain and symptoms, gain tools to retrain the brain and nervous system, and make changes in your life and health! The Mind-Body Couple podcast is owned by Pain Psychotherapy Canada Inc. This podcast is produced by Alex Klassen, one of the wonderful therapists at our agency in Calgary, Alberta. https://www.painpsychotherapy.ca/ Tanner, Anne, and Alex also run the MBody Community, an in-depth online course that provides a step-by-step process for assessing, treating, and resolving mind-body pain and symptoms. https://www.mbodycommunity.com Check out Tanner's YouTube channel for more free education and practices: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Fl6WaFHnh4ponuexaMbFQ And follow us for daily education posts on Instagram: @painpsychotherapy Disclaimer: The information provided on this podcast is for general in...
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#132
Dec 4, 2025 · 43 min
Why I Stuck With Tanner Through His Chronic Pain Journey
Send your questions to be answered live on the podcast to: info@painpsychotherapy.ca Love doesn’t disappear when chronic pain shows up, but it can get buried under appointments, bills, and long stretches of silence. We open up about the years when pain became the only topic in our home, the ways our roles warped into caregiver and patient, and the slow, deliberate choices that helped us find our way back to closeness while symptoms were still present. This is a story about social safety—how relationships can signal danger or safety—and how changing that signal can reduce neuroplastic pain. We break down the hidden traps couples fall into: letting pain consume every conversation, organizing the relationship around “fighting the system,” and staying too long in a caregiver role. Then we share what worked. Communication that aims at co‑regulation rather than debate. Partner involvement that supports, not polices. Shared learning about brain-based approaches so skepticism doesn’t sabotage progress. And boundaries that protect the supporter’s identity—because a regulated partner has more to give than a depleted one. Expect concrete takeaways you can use right away: weekly “no symptom talk” windows to protect connection, small exposure steps that rebuild everyday life together, one‑sentence appreciations that melt shame, and a clear plan to shift roles back from caregiving to companionship. If chronic pain has narrowed your world, this conversation offers a map to widen it again—without waiting for perfect health to start living. If this resonates, subscribe, share with someone who needs it, and tell us: which step will you try this week? Tanner Murtagh and Anne Hampson are therapists who treat neuroplastic pain and mind-body symptoms. They are also married! In his 20s, Tanner overcame chronic pain and a fibromyalgia diagnosis by learning his symptoms were neuroplastic, not structural. Post-healing, Tanner and Anne have dedicated their lives to developing effective treatment and education for neuroplastic pain and symptoms. Listen and learn how to assess your own chronic pain and symptoms, gain tools to retrain the brain and nervous system, and make changes in your life and health! The Mind-Body Couple podcast is owned by Pain Psychotherapy Canada Inc. This podcast is produced by Alex Klassen, one of the wonderful therapists at our agency in Calgary, Alberta. https://www.painpsychotherapy.ca/ Tanner, Anne, and Alex also run the MBody Community, an in-depth online course that provides a step-by-step process for assessing, treating, and resolving mind-body pain and symptoms. https://www.mbodycommunity.com Check out Tanner's YouTube channel for more free education and practices: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Fl6WaFHnh4ponuexaMbFQ And follow us for daily education posts on Instagram: @painpsychotherapy Disclaimer: The information provided on this podcast is for general in...
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