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Outlawed

Beverly Gray & Jonas Swartz

In the wild west of abortion bans and restrictions, patients, families, and their doctors are being treated like outlaws. OB-Gyns and abortion care providers Bev and Jonas embrace the American tradition of fighting injustice by sharing their direct line to what’s actually happening in our homes and medical offices. 


Each episode’s powerful stories, experts, and resources help us grasp the aftermath of outlawing healthcare and how to talk about it with the people you know. Even with Uncle Bob. Especially with Uncle Bob.


Brought to you by Dr. Beverly Gray, Dr. Jonas Swartz, produced by Stevie Manning.

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  • 26 episodes
  • fortnightly
  • Avg 33 min
  • English

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  • S2 · E11
    February 12 · 50 min

    The Pregnancy Police State

    We’re doctors, not cops. But as more and more miscarriages and self-managed abortions lead to arrests and prosecution, the medical system and law enforcement have become entwined in unsettling ways. Kim Mutcherson, a law professor at Rutgers and expert on reproductive justice, helps us understand the new reality of medical providers reporting patients for essential healthcare, and the biases that influence whose care is criminalized.

  • S2 · E10
    January 28 · 34 min

    Lessons from the underground

    Heather Booth is an original outlaw who provided access to abortion care before Roe, as a founding member of the Jane Collective. Bev and Jonas are thrilled to get a masterclass from 80-year-old Booth this week in how word-of-mouth networks, resolve, and hope can fuel the fight against injustice right now. Saddle up and join us.

  • S2 · E9
    January 14 · 33 min

    "After Dobbs": A conversation with authors David Cohen and Carole Joffe

    Who is your favorite dynamic duo? Batman and Robin? He-man and She-ra? You probably don’t have a sociologist and lawyer pair on your list, but we would argue that you should! This week Bev and Jonas have a conversation with an amazing duo - law Professor David Cohen and sociologist Dr. Carole Joffe. They wrote a book last year called "After Dobbs: How the Supreme Court ended Roe but not abortion." Want to make a tax-deductible donation to support our work and keep us ad-free? Go here: https://www.gifts.duke.edu/dukehealth?designation=391001053 For Outlawed merch: https://outlawedpodcast.com/merch/ Email us at outlawedpodcast@gmail.com.

  • Dec 30, 2025 · 29 min

    Re-run from Season 1: Are women people?

    We're replaying one of our favorites from season 1 - an interview with Professor Katie Watson from Northwestern. She is the author of Scarlet A: The ethics, law, and politics of ordinary abortion and has been widely published in the medical literature regarding the ethics of reproductive health care. We discuss a variety of topics on today’s show including: myths about abortion after birth, the impact of abortion bans on other aspects of reproductive health care (like IVF), and Katie’s thoughts about the Dobbs decision. Want to make a tax-deductible donation to support our work and keep us ad-free? Go here: https://www.gifts.duke.edu/dukehealth?designation=391001053 For Outlawed merch: https://outlawedpodcast.com/merch/

  • S2 · E8
    Dec 18, 2025 · 29 min

    The Helpers Part 2: Planes, trains, and automobiles

    Traveling during the holidays is full of unexpected mishaps due to the sheer numbers of fellow travelers. Travelling for an abortion is challenging all year round — because lawmakers have designed it that way. In front of every obstacle, people who care are there to help others through it with dignity. Bev and Jonas meet Mike Bonanza of Elevated Access, a pilot flying people privately for free to states with abortion care. Amanda Rich, executive director of Faith Roots Reproduction Action, then shares what a difference abortion fund volunteers can make in arranging secure transit and accommodations as well as covering costs like gas money and child care. Support these great organizations on their websites! https://www.elevatedaccess.org/ https://www.faithrootsrepro.org/ Want to make a tax-deductible donation to support our work and keep us ad-free? Go here: https://www.gifts.duke.edu/dukehealth?designation=391001053 For Outlawed merch: https://outlawedpodcast.com/merch/

  • S2 · E7
    Dec 10, 2025 · 24 min

    The Helpers Part 1: Finding room at the inn

    You’ve driven hundreds of miles to get an abortion. Took off work (unpaid), and so did your partner, who’s home with the kids. Staying overnight is a necessity but too expensive, and will it even be safe and comfortable enough for you to rest? Around two hundred thousand abortion patients make long journeys each year in search of care. Toshiko of With Gloria matches abortion travelers to last-minute vacancies in donated Airbnbs from everyday sidekicks like Persephone. Over the next two episodes, Bev and Jonas meet the helpers who are reducing the harm of Dobbs in unexpected and uplifting ways. Support With Gloria: https://withgloria.org/ Want to make a tax-deductible donation to support our work and keep us ad-free? Go here: https://www.gifts.duke.edu/dukehealth?designation=391001053

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