The Other 22 Hours

Low Cut Connie on front-facing data, the two things that last, and a good schvitz.

Adam Weiner has made records for twenty-five years, the last fifteen as the singer and pianist of Low Cut Connie, a band NPR has called the best live rock ’n’ roll band in America. Barack Obama put them on his summer playlist; Elton John and Bruce Springsteen are fans. Yet when we asked how he stays steady, he pointed to something smaller: the feeling people carry home from a show. We talk about piano in gay bars and ballet classes, why he’s grown less cynical the longer he’s stayed in the business, and the open mic he’d happily play if it all fell apart. In This Episode: Low Cut Connie Garcés Foundation Western States Center Eric Ward WALL-E Mose Vinson Honeyboy Edwards Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work.  Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

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Richard Thompson on coming back to center, songs that live in the margins, and catching the horse.

Richard Thompson was a teenager when he co-founded the influential British folk-rock band Fairport Convention. In the six decades since, he wrote “1952 Vincent Black Lightning” (one of Timemagazine's greatest songs ever written), was appointed an Officer of the Order of the British Empire by Queen Elizabeth II, and landed among Rolling Stone’s 100 greatest guitarists. Yet when we asked what holds a working life together, his answers were small and practical: creative mornings before noon, a pile for every song that doesn’t fit, and an imaginary horse he starts catching at ten o’clock on show day. It’s a warm, wry conversation about sobriety since 23, the practice he keeps coming back to, and why “all the good songs are written in the margin.” In This Episode: Richard Thompson Fairport Convention Brill Building Rodgers and Hart Maharishi Mahesh Yogi George Harrison The Action Thich Nhat Hanh - Peace in Every Step Tom Petty documentary John Betjeman Ep 27 - Mary Gauthier Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

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Charlie Worsham on good-enough routines, relief vs revenge, and two slices of lonely carrot cake.

Charlie Worsham has spent twenty years becoming the guitar player Nashville calls first. He’s played in the bands of Vince Gill and Dierks Bentley, toured with Miranda Lambert and Taylor Swift, and been named CMA Musician of the Year and 2x ACM acoustic guitarist of the year. In August 2026, twenty years to the day after moving to town from Mississippi, he was invited by Vince Gill to join the Grand Ole Opry. He has also just released his first independent record after two solo records and two EPs for Warner Music. And still, the end of a tour is a hard place to land. In this conversation, Charlie talks openly about coming home, the question he asks himself before he reaches for anything that numbs, and what it took for a lifelong A+ student to make peace with a C-. Plus, we talk about his tools and approaches to balancing mental health both at home and on the road. He also tells us about playing alongside a band of incarcerated men at Parchman Farm in Mississippi, and why those were some of the most important shows he’s ever played. In This Episode: Charlie Worsham Porter’s Call Onsite MusiCares Cumberland Heights Backline Anthony Bourdain Wendell Berry What About Bob? Ep 166 - Jim James Music Community Foundation Country Music Association (CMA) Jerry Pentecost Brad Paisley Parchman Farm Elizabeth Gilbert - Big Magic Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

Buddy Miller on going broke, staying grounded after the applause, and a $50 plastic guitar in the Hall of Fame.

If you don't know Buddy Miller by name, you probably know his work. He joined Emmylou Harris's band, has worked with artists from Robert Plant to Patty Griffin, is a Grammy winner and a multiple-time Instrumentalist of the Year with the Americana Music Association, and served as executive music producer of the television series Nashville. Yet the collaboration he returns to most is the one at home. Buddy and his wife, Julie Miller, have made music together for more than forty years, through bankruptcy, a van full of gear, and the point where the road became too hard on her. In this open conversation, Buddy reflects on the pull between producer and partner, his honesty about where he fell short, and the record they made in the corner of their bedroom with red lights glowing in the dark. "We survived," he says. "We came out different." In This Episode: Buddy Miller Julie Miller Time Out of Mind / Bob Dylan Buddy Miller's Majestic Silver Strings Marc Ribot Bill Frisell Greg Leisz Jay Bellerose Dennis Crouch Chocolate Genius Paul Kennerley Viktor Krauss Delbert McClinton Kinky Friedman and the Texas Jewboys Rodeo Bar Sonny's Bar (Red Hook) Smokey Hormel Barbés John Leventhal Gurf Morlix Lucinda Williams Billy Block Ep 26 - Katie Pruitt Ep 1 - Aaron Lee Tasjan Ep 16 - Rodney Crowell T Bone Burnett Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

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Dan Wilson (Semisonic, Adele) on rewriting career ambition, unlearning "should," and the agony of a #1 hit.

Dan Wilson’s songs have shaped our collective cultural landscape, from Semisonic’s enduring anthem "Closing Time" to Grammy-winning collaborations like Adele’s "Someone Like You," The Chicks' "Not Ready to Make Nice," Chris Stapleton's "White Horse" and Jon Batiste's "It Never Went Away." Yet behind four decades of catalog mastery lies a quiet, rigorous inner examination of what it means to build an artistic life. In this spacious conversation, Dan reflects on stepping off the tour bus during the height of rock success to care for his medically fragile newborn daughter, the radical freedom of striking the word "should" entirely from one's creative vocabulary, and why he spent the entire ascent of a global number-one single terrified instead of celebrating. In This Episode: Dan Wilson Semisonic "Don't Give Up Yet" Rick Rubin Carole King Trip Shakespeare Ep 60 - Lori McKenna Ep 17 - Elizabeth Cook Nick Launay Amy Winehouse Bonnaroo Hardly Strictly Bluegrass Emmylou Harris Ep 46 - Mary Chapin Carpenter Frank Stella Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

Medium Build on shadow work, hedges of protection, and fearing your barista.

Between late-night TV appearances and relentless album sprints, how does a working artist remain anchored in their own life? This week, we sit down with Nick Carpenter (Medium Build), whose catalog of raw, empathetic storytelling has earned him critical acclaim, tours with Mumford and Sons and Tyler Childers, and fans likes of Elton John, John Mayer, and boygenius. We discuss the exhausting trap of algorithmic omnipresence, the Jungian necessity of integrating our shadows rather than suppressing them, and the profound wisdom passed to him by Ben Kweller on honoring the muse. It is a generous, disarming exploration into stepping off the treadmill of validation and reclaiming art as an act of service rather than a product. In This Episode: Medium Build Jimmy Kimmel Rosie Rush Carl Jung Duke's (Nashville) Niall Horan Gandalf (The Lord of the Rings) Bonnaroo Ben Kweller Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

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Lindsay Lou on rebuilding the self, generational visibility, and 1am baby sets.

What does it mean to witness ourselves transform? Singer-songwriter and bluegrass powerhouse Lindsay Lou, a frequent collaborator with artists like Billy Strings, Molly Tuttle, and Sierra Hull, as well as a member of the Sweet Water Warblers and a festival staple in her own right, joins us to explore the tender, high-stakes choreography of modern artist-parenthood. Celebrating her landmark all-women project, Bluegrass Women, Lindsay reflects on giving historical weight to the women who shaped roots music. She also gives unvarnished clarity about postpartum identity, surviving festival chaos with a 15-month-old strapped to her chest on stage, and the quiet revelation that comes when we stop trying to compartmentalize who we are. This episode is a deep dive into creative endurance, presence, and why artists pursuing their craft is a gift to their family rather than a subtraction. In This Episode: Lindsay Lou The Sweet Water Warblers Rolling Stone Stateside Festival Grand Targhee (Grand Targhee Bluegrass Festival) Sam Grisman Ep 145 Derek Trucks Ep 12 Leyla McCalla Ep 39 Joe Henry Meshell Ndegeocello The Stanley Brothers Keith Whitley Ricky Skaggs Ola Belle Reed Tim O'Brien Ep 147 Nitty Gritty Dirt Band Bluegrass Album Band David Grisman Scott Vestal Shani Gandhi Ep 11 Lucius Rachael Price Fran's Eastside Tavern (Fran's) Rachel Baiman Ep 85 Caroline Spence Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

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Madison Cunningham on letting go of work, shifting ambition, and subconscious burner accounts.

In a culture that demands creative output be loud, continuous, and universally relatable, what does it mean to plant your flag in the quiet, specific, and unpolished? Grammy-winning artist and guitarist Madison Cunningham joins us with raw generosity, examining the dissonance between holding music’s highest honors and sitting with everyday feelings of failure. Across an intimate hour, we delve into the discipline of ignoring both praise and venom, how teaching unlocked her own creative permission, and Mary Oliver’s timeless directive to never hesitate when leaning into what gives us joy. In This Episode: Madison Cunningham Remi Wolf Ep 56 - Guster Dolly Parton Mike Viola Mary Oliver "Don't Hesitate" (Poem by Mary Oliver) Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

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Jim James on the illusion of arrival, healing the internal workhorse, and alien-mandated therapy.

As the frontman of Grammy-nominated rock band My Morning Jacket, Jim James has spent decades at the center of new alternative. His long list of achievements includes a solo catalog of five studio albums, recording as part of the supergroup Monsters of Folk, and producing artists such as Ray LaMontagne, S.G. Goodman and Basia Bulat. Yet, beneath these accomplishments was an exhausting cycle of perfectionism and self-loathing fueled by the quiet fear that rest equals irrelevance. In this tender and expansive conversation, Jim explores what happened when he stopped trying to outrun his own shadow. He reflects on four years of sobriety, the transformative nature of EMDR and parts work therapy, learning to dance with his creative muse rather than whip the workhorse, and why reclaiming true creative vitality starts by making peace with the human being inside. In This Episode: Jim James My Morning Jacket Iris DeMent Grateful Dead Kurt Cobain Nina Simone Wowed Out Brian Reitzell Brendan O'Brien Carl Broemel Bo Koster Billie Eilish Kane Parsons The Backrooms Hollywood Bowl Bob Weir Ep 80 - John Moreland ManKind Project Mister Rogers Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

Brandy Clark on standing out, surviving self doubt, and friendship bracelets.

We are often sold the myth that success cures insecurity. Brandy Clark joins us to unravel that narrative. Named one of the '"30 Greatest Living Songwriters" earlier this year by the New York Times, she is also a Grammy-winning artist who has placed her songs with Kacey Musgraves, Miranda Lambert, Keith Urban and Reba McEntire. In addition, she is the co-writer of the Tony Award-winning musical Shucked. In this beautiful conversation, originally aired in November 2024, she opens up about her fifteen-year journey to a breakthrough, the courage it takes to be a gay woman in country music, and the importance of only staying in rooms where you feel like a genius. In This Episode: Brandy Clark Cyndi Forman Dave Brainard Shucked Musical Ep 60 - Lori McKenna Jessie Jo Dillan Ep 43 - Gretchen Peters Ep 46 - Mary Chapin Carpenter Kieth Urban Dwight Yokam Brandi Carlisle Shangri-La Studio Shane McAnally k.d.lang Ep 126 - Chely Wright Ep 97 - Fancy Hagood Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

Maggie Smith on self trust, moving beyond scarcity, and name-brand cereal.

What if the messiness of life isn’t an obstacle to making art, but the very material itself? In this reissued conversation from our archives, we sit down with New York Times bestselling poet and author Maggie Smith (Good Bones, Dear Writer). Together, we explore what happens when you dismantle the dividing wall between art and everyday life, the discipline of staying in solitude rather than catering to an audience, and how learning to trust your own instincts becomes the ultimate safety net for a sustainable creative life. In This Episode: Maggie Smith “Dear Writer: Pep Talks & Practical Advice for the Creative Life” “My Thoughts Have Wings” "For Dear Life" - Maggie's Substack Lucinda Williams Joan Didion - The Center Will Not Hold documentary Jane Goodall “Good Bones” Jim Carrey commencement speech Tara Brach Stanley Plumly Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

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Rodney Crowell on letting go of recognition, 40-year songs, and talking to trees.

With two Grammy Awards, 15 number-one singles, and a songwriting catalog recorded by legends like Emmylou Harris, Bob Seger, and Waylon Jennings, Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame member Rodney Crowell stands as one of Americana's most enduring icons. Yet, after 50 years in Nashville, Rodney’s relationship to his craft is grounded not in recognition, but in the quiet, daily act of showing up. In this conversation from 2023, Rodney reflects on the early years of roaming Nashville alongside Guy Clark and Townes Van Zandt to evolving past the need for applause, the spiritual discipline of 7-day vision quests, and why a song can take 40 years to finally tell you what it wants to be. In This Episode: Rodney Crowell Jedd Hughes Marty Stuart JD Miller's Recording Studio Wilburn Brothers Emmylou Harris Guy Clark Mickey Newbury Bob Seger Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

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Mary Gauthier on the business mindset of an artist, art as recovery, and owning a clam shack.

GRAMMY-nominated songwriter and author Mary Gauthier, whose songs have been recorded by everyone from Tim McGraw and Blake Shelton to Boy George and Jimmy Buffett, joins us for a deeply resonant exploration of life, survival, and craft. Starting her songwriting journey at age 40 after a successful career as a chef and restaurant owner, Mary offers a deeply grounded perspective on what it means to build a long-haul artistic life. Originally aired in August 2023 as Episode 27, we are revisiting this favorite conversation from our archive to unpack her 33-year journey in recovery, the necessity of patience in art and persistence in business, and how songwriting serves as a container for processing trauma and bridging human divides. In This Episode: Mary Gauthier Songwriting With Soldiers 'Saved by a Song: The Art and Healing Power of Songwriting' Ep 152 - Matraca Berg Ep 43 - Gretchen Peters Beth Nielsen Chapman Liz Rose Patty Griffin Neko Case Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

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Ruby Amanfu on guarding your creative energy force field, the illusion of major-label financials, and cooking dinner for Willie Nelson.

This week, we dive into our archives for this special reissue of our conversation with GRAMMY-nominated singer-songwriter, producer, activist, and chef Ruby Amanfu. Known for her profound collaborations with H.E.R., Brandi Carlile, Alicia Keys, and Beyoncé, Ruby has navigated the highest peaks of the music industry while fiercely protecting her inner peace. In this episode, we explore the structural collisions that force us to speak our truth, the reality of reclaiming your identity outside of financial validation, and what happens when we finally release our death grip on how we thought our lives would look. In This Episode: Ruby Amanfu Sam and Ruby Porter’s Call Andy Little MusiCares Lee Ann Womack Willie Nelson Love Rising Concert Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

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Yancey Strickler on artist power, interdependent networks, and a zip file worth thousands.

What happens when creative people stop looking for a seat at the table and build a table of their own? For generations society has treated an artist's life as an economic sideline, a romanticized piecemeal struggle. Today, we are witnessing a structural revolution. With Colorado recently passing the nation's first Artist Corporation legislation (the Colorado Artist Company Act) in June 2026, we are reissuing our definitive conversation with the architect of that very movement, Yancey Strickler. As the co-founder of Kickstarter, Metalabel, and the Artist Corporations Foundation, Yancey has dedicated his life to equipping creators with the structural tools to act as real entrepreneurs. In this expansive conversation, we trace the line between blue-collar artistry and private equity, explore why the industry trades meaning for convenience, and look closely at how interdependent networks can finally break the cycle of artistic exploitation. In This Episode: Yancey Strickler A-Corps Colorado Legislation, June 2026 MetaLabel The Creative Independent Hipgnosis Nirvana The Royal Alberta Advantage Ep 68 - Evan Honer “All The King’s Men” Virgil Abloh Bentoism CS Lewis - “The Inner Ring” Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

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Hrishikesh Hirway on creative wholeness, strategic dilettantism, and surrendering to sandpaper.

We often treat our creative identities like lanes, fearing that branching out looks like simple dilettantism. This week, we explore the delicate balance of identity and creative output with singer-songwriter Hrishikesh Hirway, the brilliant mind behind hit podcasts The West Wing Weekly and Home Cooking, as well as the globally-acclaimed Netflix series and podcast 'Song Exploder,' which features the likes of Paul McCartney, Billie Eilish, REM, and Lin-Manuel Miranda. Despite a decade of monumental success in the podcast and broadcast worlds, Hrishikesh found himself battling a quiet, profound depression born from leaving his primary identity as a singer-songwriter behind. He recently returned to music with his first album in 15 years and joins us for a beautifully tender conversation on breaking through a 10-year writer's block, navigating the vulnerability of cold-calling collaborators, and learning to sit comfortably within a "queer divine dissatisfaction." In This Episode: Hrishikesh Hirway Song Exploder (Podcast / Netflix Series) Alison Russell Linda Ronstadt Talking Heads The Band The Grateful Dead Bob Dylan Phil Weinrobe Ep 117 - Maia Friedman Jeff Tweedy - How to Write One Song (Book) Carl Jung / Depth Psychology The West Wing Weekly (Podcast) Home Cooking (Podcast) Samin Nosrat Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat (Book) Josh Malina Allison Janney Jenny Owen Youngs Yep Roc Records John Mark Nelson Matt Ross Spang (Memphis TED Talk) Agnes de Mille Martha Graham Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work.  Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

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Amy Grant on unexpected healing, the invitation of aging, and craftopia.

What does it mean to inhabit a creative life when that container itself changes? We sit down with GRAMMY-nominated, multi-platinum crossover superstar Amy Grant. Having shaped the landscape of pop and contemporary Christian music for over four decades, Grant found herself navigating an unexpected wilderness following a series of medical setbacks – including a traumatic bike accident – and a rewritten relationship with her own processing speed. In this soulful, luminous conversation, she explores the deliberate art of slowing down, the creative sanctuary of "Craftopia," and why she now views aging not as a loss of identity, but as a continual invitation to let go. In This Episode: Amy Grant Vince Gill Eagles Mac McAnally Jimmy Buffett Coral Reefer Band Barefoot Republic NPR’s Wildcard podcast Ray Charles Cicely Tyson Roots (miniseries) Franklin Graham Viktor Frankl Man's Search for Meaning Gene Miller Dr. Jim Netterville Suleika Jaouad Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work.  Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

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James Gardin on deconstructing the sync world, overcoming over-analysis, and the male affordable Lizzo.

How do you build a sustainable life around your art when the traditional definitions of success feel increasingly narrow? In this conversation, we sit down with musician, songwriter, and educator James Gardin. While his joyous, infectious music has found a global audience through major sync campaigns for brands like Apple, Tommy Hilfiger, and Saks Fifth Avenue, James’s core creative philosophy is anchored in something much more grounded: community, education, and the refusal to second-guess the spark. Together, we explore the nuts-and-bolts realities of the licensing world, the absolute humility required to teach songwriting to eight year olds, and how letting go of the industry's arbitrary rules allows us to finally blaze our own paths. In This Episode: James Gardin Lizzo Marshmello J Dilla Proof Elzhi Slum Village Liza Garza Def Poetry Jam SZA Chance the Rapper Marmoset Musicbed iSpot.tv TuneFind Western States Center Eric Ward All of the Above Hip Hop Academy Trails End Camp Brooklyn Philharmonic Sinners Ryan Coogler Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

Lukas Nelson on shedding expectations, the antidote to egos, and training like an Olympian.

It is easy to look at a lifetime spent traveling on a tour bus in a famous family and assume the creative path was completely clear. We sit down with GRAMMY-winning singer-songwriter and guitar player Lukas Nelson ('A Star Is Born,' Promise of the Real, Neil Young) for an incredibly honest conversation about moving past the shadow of his father Willie Nelson's towering legacy, and detangling his identity from the cliched drug-induced creative culture. We explore the distinct clarity that arrives with sobriety, the physiological realities of keeping your body moving on the road, and how treating musical discipline like Olympic training allowed him to fully claim his own voice. It’s a masterclass in boundary setting, honoring the natural muse, and discovering that a long-term commitment to your health and your relationships is the ultimate engine for creative longevity. In This Episode: Lukas Nelson Promise of the Real Willie Nelson Merle Haggard Lady Gaga Promise of the Real Neil Young Paramount Theater Red Clay Strays Outlive by Dr. Peter Attia Willie's Remedy All Things Must Pass Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

Judy Collins on collective dreams, keeping the channel clear, and why artist's don't retire.

"We write to find out who we are." For over six decades, Judy Collins has been a pillar of American music: from GRAMMY awards, platinum records, and Oscar nominations, to writing 8+ books and landing her first No. 1 album at 80 years old. But behind the staggering accolades is an artist who still treats her craft as a sacred, daily blue-collar job. In this conversation, we explore the quiet discipline of her daily routines, the sanctuary of her 48 years of sobriety, and what she calls the "secret channels of songs." Judy shares her philosophy on processing grief through poetry, the necessity of maintaining community in a solitary profession, and turning off the noise to protect the soul. In This Episode: Judy Collins “Catcher in the Rye” J.D. Salinger Antonia Brico Mark Ruffalo “Spotlight” Hemangioma “The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll” - Bob Dylan Ep 100 - Rosanne Cash Ep 16 - Rodney Crowell Telluride Bluegrass Festival Jo Stafford Barbara Allen Al Kooper Al Grossman Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

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