The Other 22 Hours

Michaela Anne, Aaron Shafer-Haiss

An exploration of the creative life, lived in the in-between.

A sanctuary for the creative spirit in a results-obsessed world.

Moving beyond the highlight reel, hosts and working musicians Aaron Shafer-Haiss and Michaela Anne facilitate intimate, artist-to-artist conversations with renowned musicians, authors, visual artists and actors about the grit required to sustain a life in the arts. From navigating doubt to finding stillness, this is the reality of the work. Unfiltered.

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Wednesday · 51 min
Yancey Strickler on artist power, interdependent networks, and a zip file worth thousands.
What happens when creative people stop looking for a seat at the table and build a table of their own? For generations society has treated an artist's life as an economic sideline, a romanticized piecemeal struggle. Today, we are witnessing a structural revolution. With Colorado recently passing the nation's first Artist Corporation legislation (the Colorado Artist Company Act) in June 2026, we are reissuing our definitive conversation with the architect of that very movement, Yancey Strickler. As the co-founder of Kickstarter, Metalabel, and the Artist Corporations Foundation, Yancey has dedicated his life to equipping creators with the structural tools to act as real entrepreneurs. In this expansive conversation, we trace the line between blue-collar artistry and private equity, explore why the industry trades meaning for convenience, and look closely at how interdependent networks can finally break the cycle of artistic exploitation. In This Episode: Yancey Strickler A-Corps Colorado Legislation, June 2026 MetaLabel The Creative Independent Hipgnosis Nirvana The Royal Alberta Advantage Ep 68 - Evan Honer “All The King’s Men” Virgil Abloh Bentoism CS Lewis - “The Inner Ring” Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.
July 22 · 48 min
Hrishikesh Hirway on creative wholeness, strategic dilettantism, and surrendering to sandpaper.
We often treat our creative identities like lanes, fearing that branching out looks like simple dilettantism. This week, we explore the delicate balance of identity and creative output with singer-songwriter Hrishikesh Hirway, the brilliant mind behind hit podcasts The West Wing Weekly and Home Cooking, as well as the globally-acclaimed Netflix series and podcast 'Song Exploder,' which features the likes of Paul McCartney, Billie Eilish, REM, and Lin-Manuel Miranda. Despite a decade of monumental success in the podcast and broadcast worlds, Hrishikesh found himself battling a quiet, profound depression born from leaving his primary identity as a singer-songwriter behind. He recently returned to music with his first album in 15 years and joins us for a beautifully tender conversation on breaking through a 10-year writer's block, navigating the vulnerability of cold-calling collaborators, and learning to sit comfortably within a "queer divine dissatisfaction." In This Episode: Hrishikesh Hirway Song Exploder (Podcast / Netflix Series) Alison Russell Linda Ronstadt Talking Heads The Band The Grateful Dead Bob Dylan Phil Weinrobe Ep 117 - Maia Friedman Jeff Tweedy - How to Write One Song (Book) Carl Jung / Depth Psychology The West Wing Weekly (Podcast) Home Cooking (Podcast) Samin Nosrat Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat (Book) Josh Malina Allison Janney Jenny Owen Youngs Yep Roc Records John Mark Nelson Matt Ross Spang (Memphis TED Talk) Agnes de Mille Martha Graham Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.
July 15 · 47 min
Amy Grant on unexpected healing, the invitation of aging, and craftopia.
What does it mean to inhabit a creative life when that container itself changes? We sit down with GRAMMY-nominated, multi-platinum crossover superstar Amy Grant. Having shaped the landscape of pop and contemporary Christian music for over four decades, Grant found herself navigating an unexpected wilderness following a series of medical setbacks – including a traumatic bike accident – and a rewritten relationship with her own processing speed. In this soulful, luminous conversation, she explores the deliberate art of slowing down, the creative sanctuary of "Craftopia," and why she now views aging not as a loss of identity, but as a continual invitation to let go. In This Episode: Amy Grant Vince Gill Eagles Mac McAnally Jimmy Buffett Coral Reefer Band Barefoot Republic NPR’s Wildcard podcast Ray Charles Cicely Tyson Roots (miniseries) Franklin Graham Viktor Frankl Man's Search for Meaning Gene Miller Dr. Jim Netterville Suleika Jaouad Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.
July 8 · 42 min
James Gardin on deconstructing the sync world, overcoming over-analysis, and the male affordable Lizzo.
How do you build a sustainable life around your art when the traditional definitions of success feel increasingly narrow? In this conversation, we sit down with musician, songwriter, and educator James Gardin. While his joyous, infectious music has found a global audience through major sync campaigns for brands like Apple, Tommy Hilfiger, and Saks Fifth Avenue, James’s core creative philosophy is anchored in something much more grounded: community, education, and the refusal to second-guess the spark. Together, we explore the nuts-and-bolts realities of the licensing world, the absolute humility required to teach songwriting to eight year olds, and how letting go of the industry's arbitrary rules allows us to finally blaze our own paths. In This Episode: James Gardin Lizzo Marshmello J Dilla Proof Elzhi Slum Village Liza Garza Def Poetry Jam SZA Chance the Rapper Marmoset Musicbed iSpot.tv TuneFind Western States Center Eric Ward All of the Above Hip Hop Academy Trails End Camp Brooklyn Philharmonic Sinners Ryan Coogler Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.
July 1 · 43 min
Lukas Nelson on shedding expectations, the antidote to egos, and training like an Olympian.
It is easy to look at a lifetime spent traveling on a tour bus in a famous family and assume the creative path was completely clear. We sit down with GRAMMY-winning singer-songwriter and guitar player Lukas Nelson ('A Star Is Born,' Promise of the Real, Neil Young) for an incredibly honest conversation about moving past the shadow of his father Willie Nelson's towering legacy, and detangling his identity from the cliched drug-induced creative culture. We explore the distinct clarity that arrives with sobriety, the physiological realities of keeping your body moving on the road, and how treating musical discipline like Olympic training allowed him to fully claim his own voice. It’s a masterclass in boundary setting, honoring the natural muse, and discovering that a long-term commitment to your health and your relationships is the ultimate engine for creative longevity. In This Episode: Lukas Nelson Promise of the Real Willie Nelson Merle Haggard Lady Gaga Promise of the Real Neil Young Paramount Theater Red Clay Strays Outlive by Dr. Peter Attia Willie's Remedy All Things Must Pass Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.
June 24 · 46 min
Judy Collins on collective dreams, keeping the channel clear, and why artist's don't retire.
"We write to find out who we are." For over six decades, Judy Collins has been a pillar of American music: from GRAMMY awards, platinum records, and Oscar nominations, to writing 8+ books and landing her first No. 1 album at 80 years old. But behind the staggering accolades is an artist who still treats her craft as a sacred, daily blue-collar job. In this conversation, we explore the quiet discipline of her daily routines, the sanctuary of her 48 years of sobriety, and what she calls the "secret channels of songs." Judy shares her philosophy on processing grief through poetry, the necessity of maintaining community in a solitary profession, and turning off the noise to protect the soul. In This Episode: Judy Collins “Catcher in the Rye” J.D. Salinger Antonia Brico Mark Ruffalo “Spotlight” Hemangioma “The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll” - Bob Dylan Ep 100 - Rosanne Cash Ep 16 - Rodney Crowell Telluride Bluegrass Festival Jo Stafford Barbara Allen Al Kooper Al Grossman Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.
June 17 · 1 hr
Annie & Cranston Clements on musical lineage, tour-life advocacy, and 150 hits of acid.
What does it mean to treat music not as a commodity, but as a multi-generational way of life? We sit down with father-daughter side musicians Cranston and Annie Clements. Cranston, a cornerstone of New Orleans music history, has played guitar with royalty like Dr. John, Allen Toussaint, and Irma Thomas. His daughter Annie is a bass player for massive acts including Sugarland, Maren Morris, and Hootie & the Blowfish. The duo brings a unique perspective on lineage, structural hurdles, and the profound beauty of side musicians' journeys. Annie shares her vital advocacy work supporting motherhood in the music industry, including working to correct the stark lack of childcare infrastructure in touring. Meanwhile, Cranston details his wild roots in the 1960s counterculture and how a single performance could dismantle a lifetime of prejudice. It is a study on what it truly means to be a "joy facilitator." In This Episode: Annie Clements Cranston Clements Ep 151 - Rob Moose Dejan’s Olympia Brass Band Tuesday Night Rodeo Club Maren Morris Doja Cat Joy Oladokun Bad Bunny Motorhead Dr John Boz Scaggs Maria Muldaur “A Uterus is a Feature Not a Bug” - Sarah Lacy Lucinda Williams Angine de Poitrine Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.
June 10 · 55 min
Heather Mae on social justice songwriting, the hedonic treadmill, and hearing god during a massage.
We often look at an artist's career through the lens of industry accolades: the tours, the streaming numbers, the awards. But what happens when you intentionally dismantle your creative ego to build something focused entirely on collective liberation? Heather Mae is an award-winning independent artist, the founder of Singing Resistance Nashville, and a prominent voice in organized musical activism. Following a viral arrest at the Tennessee Capitol while protesting anti-trans legislation, Heather sits down with us to discuss the profound impacts of communal singing, navigating trauma as a neurodivergent and queer creator, and how to balance radical empathy without completely burning out. It’s an expansive, deeply human conversation about moving past the modern traps of artistic productivity to discover what it truly means to be of service. In This Episode: Heather Mae Ysaye Barnwell Sweet Honey in the Rock The Song School (Planet Bluegrass) National Organization for Women Singing Resistance Nashville Tennessee Equality Project Melody Walker Justin Jones Gloria Johnson WMOT "Just More Love" Alex Pretti Folk Alliance Chris Matthews Etta James MusiCares Music Health Alliance Carl Jung Ep 97 - Fancy Hagood Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.
June 3 · 42 min
Matraca Berg on the Nashville Hit Machine, streaming economics, and getting busted by bro country.
We often treat commercial success as the final destination of a creative life, but for legendary songwriter Matraca Berg, it was just the first act. She was the first woman to have five different country No. 1s in a single year and her songs have been recorded by everyone from Linda Ronstadt, Trisha Yearwood, and Deana Carter to the Chicks, Chris Stapleton, and Reba McEntire. Matraca’s catalog defines generations of American songwriting. We sit down the GRAMMY-nominated member of the Songwriting Hall of Fame to explore the realities of achieving massive success while battling paralyzing stage fright, the transition from the multi-platinum physical sales era of the 1990s to modern streaming, and how she keeps her creative tank full as the industry has changed around her. In a culture obsessed with youth and immediate output, Matraca offers a grounded, reassuring perspective on aging within an art form, artistic alignment, and learning to trust. In This Episode: Matraca Berg Ep 147 - Jeff Hanna Sudie Calloway Mel Tillis Joni Mitchell Bluebird Cafe Clint Black Nanci Griffith Ep 60 - Lori McKenna Bobby Braddock Harlan Howard Ashley McBryde Gary Harrison Ep 28 - The Wood Brothers Zach Berkman Tiger King Chris Stapleton Ella Langley Jessi Colter Waylon Jennings Maggie Gyllenhaal Peter Sarsgaard Hill Country Barbecue Jake Gyllenhaal Minnie Pearl Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.
May 27 · 48 min
Rob Moose on the feast-or-famine mindset, songs as love letters, and remaining child-like.
Behind nearly every influential indie-rock and pop record of the last 15 years has been the brilliant mind and hand of string arranger and multi-instrumentalist Rob Moose. The three-time GRAMMY winner has contributed to thousands of records by the likes of Paul Simon, Taylor Swift, Phoebe Bridgers, Bon Iver, St. Vincent, Bruce Hornsby, and Mumford & Sons. In this calming, deeply reflective conversation, Rob opens up about "peaking" in the live touring industry, the transition to a studio-centric life, and how fatherhood has introduced a powerful focus into his creative process. It is an exploration of legacy, creative boundaries, and why sustaining a 20-year career ultimately comes down to treating music not as an athletic feat, but as a deeply human relationship. In This Episode: Rob Moose Manhattan School of Music Columbia University The New School Interlochen Arts Academy Nirvana Bon Iver SNL Paul Simon Madison Square Garden Bowery Ballroom ‘The Artist’s Way’ - Julia Cameron Nonesuch Records Gabe Kahane Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.
May 20 · 52 min
Michaela Anne + Aaron Shafer-Haiss on intuition vs assumption, creative ownership, and vulnerability as a faucet.
To celebrate our 150th episode, we try a bit of an experiment: interviewing ourselves, for the first time. After nearly two decades of partnership, we examine the evolution of the creative self. Michaela Anne – whose fifth record, 'These Are The Days,' marks her first in over a 10 years for which she retains total ownership – discusses the "massive shift of self" required to walk away from industry gatekeepers. Aaron Shafer-Haiss, whose compositions have scored major network dramas like 'Station 19' and 'The Good Doctor,' reflects on the "utilitarian creativity" of a producer. It is a conversation about resilience, the "growth seesaw" of a creative marriage, and the realization that the dream is already happening. In This Episode: Michaela Anne Aaron Shafer-Haiss ‘These Are The Days’ Ep 109 Major Jackson Nonesuch Records Hardly Strictly Bluegrass Festival Bonnaroo Cayamo Mountain Stage Folks Fest Middle Tennessee State University Owen Biddle Seth Taylor Ethan Ballinger Kyshona Lyle Davinsky Lauren Balthrop Post Malone Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.
May 13 · 46 min
Molly Tuttle on genre fluidity, artistic anxiety, and micro-managing travel routing.
Molly Tuttle has shared stages with Ringo Starr and Billy Strings, yet she still grapples with the unpredictable "ups and downs" of a musician's schedule, and the inherent instability of the road. We talk with the GRAMMY-winning artist, and first woman to win IBMA Guitarist of the Year, about the "baggage" of turning a passion into a profession. We explore the necessity of trusting one's gut over industry expectations, how she navigates the transition from bluegrass traditionalism to rock-leaning solo projects, and the quiet power of a partner who understands the nuance of tour routing. In This Episode: Molly Tuttle Nonesuch Records Tyler Childers Berklee College of Music Ep 3 - The Milk Carton Kids The Goodbye Girls The Stray Birds Ozark Mountain Folk Center First Ladies of Bluegrass Alison Brown Ep 50 - Sierra Hull Missy Raines Becky Buller Ketch Secor Old Crow Medicine Show Chris Stapleton Ep 28 - The Wood Brothers Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.
May 6 · 41 min
Asleep at the Wheel on artistic identity, the vow of poverty, and why the geographic imperative is BS.
Ray Benson is an absolute pillar of American music, a nine-time GRAMMY winner whose band, Asleep at the Wheel, has defined western swing for over half a century. In this conversation, we talk with Ray about the "geographical imperative," rebuilding his career from a broke-down bus to a musical institution, and the delicate balance between the craft of music and the business of image. This is an exploration of longevity, team building, and the importance of finding a "moral compass" in leadership. In This Episode: Ray Benson Asleep at the Wheel Peter, Paul, and Mary Pete Seeger Woody Guthrie Van Cliburn Lester Flatt Marty Stuart Marc Copland Paul Motian John Abercrombie George Strait Vince Gill Tower Records “The Letter Johnny Walker Read” Merle Haggard Lawrence Wright Mumford and Sons Aaron Dessner T.S. Elliot Health Alliance for Austin Musicians Chris Scruggs Molly Tuttle Ep 86 - Tommy Emmanuel Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.
April 29 · 44 min
Nitty Gritty Dirt Band (Jeff Hanna) on a 60-year touring career, records with hair on them, and the joy in folding laundry.
As a founding member of the legendary Nitty Gritty Dirt Band and a three-time Grammy winner, Jeff Hanna has navigated nearly sixty years in the industry, which also includes credits with the likes of Linda Ronstadt, Emmylou Harris, Johnny Cash, and many others. In this conversation we explore the geography of inspiration, from the 1970s Troubadour scene to his forty-year anchor in Nashville’s songwriting community. Jeff reflects on the economy of a perfect line, the creative vitality of a "hard reset," and why the bedrock of the work has to begin with the simple intention of having fun. In This Episode: Jeff Hanna Nitty Gritty Dirt Band Matraca Berg Ep 16 - Rodey Crowell The Troubador The Station Inn Vinyl Tap Jackson Browne Tim Buckley Poco Ep 144 - Suzy Bogguss Ep 43 - Gretchen Peters Stephen King - On Writing Jerry Jeff Walker - Mr Bogangles The Mavericks Ringo Starr Levon Helm Sheryl Crow Fred Eltringham Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.
April 22 · 52 min
Writing for the soul vs. writing for the brief, from writers to editors.
As the architect behind Rolling Stone Country and the host of the Nashville Now podcast, Joe Hudak has spent decades at the center of the industry. Along with Alison Abbey Hudak, a veteran editor who has shaped the narrative of Nashville’s elite lifestyle media, they offer a wealth of experience in creative survival. This conversation dives into the "show business" of art , the moral weight of elevating artists who mismanage their influence, and the courage required to admit when a prestigious career has stifled your creative brain. In This Episode: Joe Hudak Allison Abbey Hudak Jonathan Bernstein “People Are Drinking Less Than Ever. What’s Country Music to Do?” - Rolling Stone Carly Pearce Keslea Ballerini Sterling Drake Marissa Moss Nashville Lifestyles Ep 47 Margo Price & Jeremy Ivey Carl Jung Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.
April 15 · 50 min
Derek Trucks on collaborative marriage, mentorship, and the healing power of a soundcheck poodle.
What happens to the creative spirit when you have been a professional "lifer" since the age of nine? Derek Trucks, widely considered one of the greatest guitarists of all time and a veteran of the Allman Brothers Band and Eric Clapton’s touring lineup, joins us to discuss longevity and leading a 12-piece musical circus. We explore the gradual shift from student to teacher, the grounding force of a musical marriage, and the essential practice of "turning the crops" to stay inspired. In This Episode: Tedeschi Trucks Band Allman Brothers Band The Beacon Theater Eric Clapton Kofi Burbridge John Lee Hooker Koko Taylor Ace Moreland Colonel Bruce Hampton Buddy Guy Joe Walsh Gregg Allman Jim Scott Tom Dowd A Love Supreme Krishnamurti Mad Dogs & Englishman (movie) Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.
April 8 · 50 min
Suzy Bogguss on pioneering the indie path, the quality of community, and disgusting freezers.
How does an artist outlast the industry machine to build a career entirely on her own terms? We sit down with GRAMMY-winner, ACM Vocalist of the year, and CMA Horizon Award recipient Suzy Bogguss to explore the evolution of a 40-year career that spans platinum records and her 2026 induction into the Grand Ole Opry. This conversation is an invitation to reconsider what we value, moving away from the noise of the major label machine and toward a philosophy of quality over quantity, independence, and the deep community. In This Episode: Suzy Bogguss Matraca Berg Jeff Hanna Ep 43 - Gretchen Peters Patty Loveless Ep 46 - Mary Chapin Carpenter Capitol Records CAA Kathy Mattea Folk Alliance Ep 16 - Rodney Crowell Chet Atkins Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.
April 1 · 49 min
Amythyst Kiah on psychic sovereignty, success envy, and the self-improvement doom loop.
GRAMMY-nominated songwriter Amythyst Kiah has performed with Moby and Billy Strings and is a member of the supergroup Our Native Daughters. She joins us for a startlingly honest look at the "farce of surface-level success." After a label debut and a whirlwind of global exposure, she found herself "barely hanging on for dear life" amidst the pressure of a rat race industry. We explore her journey to achieve detachment from outcomes, writing for sync licensing (film + TV) as a creative recharge, and the ancient wisdom that helped her trade the self-improvement doom loop for a slower, sustainable creative life. In This Episode: Amaythyst Kiah Our Native Daughters Brian Eno ‘Music for Airports’ Allison Russell ‘Tao Te Ching’ Marcus Aurelius ‘Siddhartha’ Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.
March 25 · 46 min
James Victore on radical integrity, questioning authority, and getting paid $20,000 to shut up.
James Victore is an Emmy Award-winning artist and author whose work is held in the permanent collection of the Louvre and has been exhibited many times at MoMA (NYC). Victore has shaped the visual language of institutions from 'The New York Times' to the City of New York. In this conversation, we explore the spiritual gravity of "staying in the pool" when creativity gets hard, discuss the incubation time of the soul, the environmental and creative toll of our want of ease, and the quiet, daily discipline of living consciously in a world designed to keep us asleep. In This Episode: James Victore Museum of Natural History NYC Mr Doodle Keith Haring Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) ‘A League of Their Own’ Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.
March 18 · 48 min
S.G. Goodman on scarcity mindset, manual labor, and the art of letting go.
Singer-songwriter S.G. Goodman has earned critical acclaim, award nominations, and has worked with legends like Tyler Childers, Jason Isbell, and Jim James of My Morning Jacket. In this episode, we discuss the grueling physical and mental requirements of "making it." From working manual labor to stay afloat while not on the road to navigating the complex realities of running a bona fide business, S.G. opens up about scarcity, OCD, and the hard-won wisdom of learning to drive the lawnmower instead of letting it drive you. In This Episode: SG Goodman Mas Tacos Madison Cunningham Jesse Welles Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube. Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists. Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

The Other 22 Hours

Yancey Strickler on artist power, interdependent networks, and a zip file worth thousands.

Hrishikesh Hirway on creative wholeness, strategic dilettantism, and surrendering to sandpaper.

Amy Grant on unexpected healing, the invitation of aging, and craftopia.

James Gardin on deconstructing the sync world, overcoming over-analysis, and the male affordable Lizzo.

Lukas Nelson on shedding expectations, the antidote to egos, and training like an Olympian.

Judy Collins on collective dreams, keeping the channel clear, and why artist's don't retire.

Annie & Cranston Clements on musical lineage, tour-life advocacy, and 150 hits of acid.

Heather Mae on social justice songwriting, the hedonic treadmill, and hearing god during a massage.

Matraca Berg on the Nashville Hit Machine, streaming economics, and getting busted by bro country.

Rob Moose on the feast-or-famine mindset, songs as love letters, and remaining child-like.

Michaela Anne + Aaron Shafer-Haiss on intuition vs assumption, creative ownership, and vulnerability as a faucet.

Molly Tuttle on genre fluidity, artistic anxiety, and micro-managing travel routing.

Asleep at the Wheel on artistic identity, the vow of poverty, and why the geographic imperative is BS.

Nitty Gritty Dirt Band (Jeff Hanna) on a 60-year touring career, records with hair on them, and the joy in folding laundry.

Writing for the soul vs. writing for the brief, from writers to editors.

Derek Trucks on collaborative marriage, mentorship, and the healing power of a soundcheck poodle.

Suzy Bogguss on pioneering the indie path, the quality of community, and disgusting freezers.

Amythyst Kiah on psychic sovereignty, success envy, and the self-improvement doom loop.

James Victore on radical integrity, questioning authority, and getting paid $20,000 to shut up.

S.G. Goodman on scarcity mindset, manual labor, and the art of letting go.