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The Leaders' Room

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Good leadership can often be hard to define, but we all know it when we see it. In 'The Leaders' Room', Ann O'Dea (CEO of Silicon Republic) speaks with leaders from iconic companies about their leadership styles, how they assemble and lead their teams, and how they think new technologies will transform their organisations in coming years. Presented in partnership with IDA Ireland.

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  • S4 · E9
    April 30 · 25 min

    Scorekeeper or Team Player, with Sean Gayer (Boston Scientific)

    For the final episode of the season, Ann spoke with Sean Gayer, VP of Operations, EMEA Manufacturing at Boston Scientific about his journey from finance into med tech leadership, and about leading teams who already have a very clear mission bringing them together. Watch the video of the interview here⁠. About the series: What makes a good leader? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Silicon Republic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, in partnership with ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠IDA Ireland⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, presents a series of conversations with leaders at the helm of iconic multinationals in the areas of technology, engineering, life sciences and fintech to get invaluable insights on leadership, on emerging technologies and on the future for their sectors. Presented by Ann O'Dea, and produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shaun & Maurice⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

  • S4 · E8
    April 16 · 30 min

    Ireland’s Digital Airport, with Peter Lantry (Equinix)

    Our growing digital infrastructure requires energy, so how can data centre operators lead the way in making that infrastructure more sustainable? In this episode, Ann speaks with Peter Lantry, Managing Director of Equinix Ireland, about leadership, and working towards a more sustainable model for the data industry. Watch the video of the interview here⁠. About the series: What makes a good leader? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Silicon Republic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, in partnership with ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠IDA Ireland⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, presents a series of conversations with leaders at the helm of iconic multinationals in the areas of technology, engineering, life sciences and fintech to get invaluable insights on leadership, on emerging technologies and on the future for their sectors. Presented by Ann O'Dea, and produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shaun & Maurice⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

  • S4 · E7
    March 19 · 9 min

    Season 4 Recap: Leadership, AI, and Talent

    As we work on the final episodes of season 4, we thought we’d share a recap of some of the themes that popped out for us so far this season. Featuring: Martin Cotter (Analog Devices), Graham Abell (Workday), David Silke (Centripetal), Thomas Parsons (Tenable), Rathnait Long (MACOM Technology Solutions), Cathy Kearney (Apple), and Kristina Raspe (Apple). Watch the video of the interview here⁠. About the series: What makes a good leader? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Silicon Republic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, in partnership with ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠IDA Ireland⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, presents a series of conversations with leaders at the helm of iconic multinationals in the areas of technology, engineering, life sciences and fintech to get invaluable insights on leadership, on emerging technologies and on the future for their sectors. Presented by Ann O'Dea, and produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shaun & Maurice⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Music by ⁠⁠⁠Chris Zabriskie⁠⁠⁠, under ⁠⁠⁠CC BY 3.0⁠⁠⁠ Attribution 3.0 Unported, no modifications.

  • S4 · E6
    March 5 · 21 min

    Building Belonging, with Cathy Kearney and Kristina Raspe (Apple)

    Can the built environment empower teams to be creative and collaborative. Can design build a sense of belonging? We ventured out of the studio for this episode to find out. For this episode of The Leaders’ Room, Ann travelled to Apple's European headquarters in Cork, and ​​sat down with Cathy Kearney, Apple’s VP of European Operations, and Kristina Raspe, the company’s VP of Places, to chat about how their evolving campus reflects the iconic company’s commitment to Ireland. Watch the video of the interview here⁠. About the series: What makes a good leader? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Silicon Republic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, in partnership with ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠IDA Ireland⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, presents a series of conversations with leaders at the helm of iconic multinationals in the areas of technology, engineering, life sciences and fintech to get invaluable insights on leadership, on emerging technologies and on the future for their sectors. Presented by Ann O'Dea, and produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shaun & Maurice⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

  • S4 · E5
    February 19 · 19 min

    Engineering Excellence, with Rathnait Long (MACOM Technology Solutions)

    How does an engineer approach leadership, in a sector both leading and responding to rapid technological advancement? In this episode, Ann is joined by Rathnait Long, Distinguished Fellow of Technology at MACOM Technology Solutions, about her career and identity as an engineer, and about her approach to leadership that promotes innovation. Watch the video of the interview here⁠. About the series: What makes a good leader? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Silicon Republic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, in partnership with ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠IDA Ireland⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, presents a series of conversations with leaders at the helm of iconic multinationals in the areas of technology, engineering, life sciences and fintech to get invaluable insights on leadership, on emerging technologies and on the future for their sectors. Presented by Ann O'Dea, and produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shaun & Maurice⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

  • S4 · E4
    February 5 · 24 min

    Embracing Unconventional Talent, with Thomas Parsons (Tenable)

    Cybersecurity has really never been more critical, and we may need some unconventional talent if we are to protect ourselves from some of the biggest cyber threats out there. In this episode, Ann is joined by Thomas Parsons, Head of Tenable in Ireland, to chat about his work in today’s cybersecurity sector, and about what might be coming down the line. Watch the video of the interview here⁠. About the series: What makes a good leader? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Silicon Republic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, in partnership with ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠IDA Ireland⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, presents a series of conversations with leaders at the helm of iconic multinationals in the areas of technology, engineering, life sciences and fintech to get invaluable insights on leadership, on emerging technologies and on the future for their sectors. Presented by Ann O'Dea, and produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shaun & Maurice⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

  • S4 · E3
    January 22 · 24 min

    Ecosystems of Intelligence, with David Silke (Centripetal)

    We often talk about global companies coming to Ireland for the business friendly environment and strong talent base, but what about our creativity and culture? Ann is joined by David Silke, Managing Director for Europe and APAC at Centripetal, a major intelligence-driven cybersecurity company with a base in Galway. Watch the video of the interview here⁠. About the series: What makes a good leader? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Silicon Republic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, in partnership with ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠IDA Ireland⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, presents a series of conversations with leaders at the helm of iconic multinationals in the areas of technology, engineering, life sciences and fintech to get invaluable insights on leadership, on emerging technologies and on the future for their sectors. Presented by Ann O'Dea, and produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shaun & Maurice⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

  • S4 · E2
    January 8 · 20 min

    Scaling with Purpose, with Graham Abell (Workday)

    Season four of The Leaders’ Room continues with a conversation about leadership and growth. Ann is joined by Graham Abell from Workday, a company that has had a base in Ireland since 2008 and provides cloud-based software that helps organisations manage their people, finances, and operations. Watch the video of the interview here⁠. About the series: What makes a good leader? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Silicon Republic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, in partnership with ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠IDA Ireland⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, presents a series of conversations with leaders at the helm of iconic multinationals in the areas of technology, engineering, life sciences and fintech to get invaluable insights on leadership, on emerging technologies and on the future for their sectors. Presented by Ann O'Dea, and produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shaun & Maurice⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

  • S4 · E1
    Dec 11, 2025 · 16 min

    Opportunity and Ambition, with Martin Cotter (Analog Devices)

    We’re back for a fourth season, as we continue to explore leadership across the innovation industries during times of rapid change. To get us started, Ann is joined by Martin Cotter from Analog Devices to chat about leadership at a time of ‘connected everything’, and why Ireland is home to so much incredible innovation. Watch the video of the interview here⁠. About the series: What makes a good leader? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Silicon Republic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, in partnership with ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠IDA Ireland⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, presents a series of conversations with leaders at the helm of iconic multinationals in the areas of technology, engineering, life sciences and fintech to get invaluable insights on leadership, on emerging technologies and on the future for their sectors. Presented by Ann O'Dea, and produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shaun & Maurice⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

  • S3 · E8
    Oct 3, 2025 · 26 min

    Leading with Humility, with Aaron J. Webster (PayPal)

    Think like a founder, remove obstacles, amplify the impact of others, and lead with humility – just some of the advice from Aaron J. Webster for our final episode of the season. Aaron is Global Chief Risk Officer at PayPal, a company that transformed the way we do business online. He joined Ann in the studio to chat about how the world’s first digital payment platform is approaching this new era of AI, and how risk management is helping shape their strategy. Watch the video of the interview here⁠. About the series: What makes a good leader? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Silicon Republic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, in partnership with ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠IDA Ireland⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, presents a series of conversations with leaders at the helm of iconic multinationals in the areas of technology, engineering, life sciences and fintech to get invaluable insights on leadership, on emerging technologies and on the future for their sectors. Presented by Ann O'Dea, and produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shaun & Maurice⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

  • S3 · E7
    Sep 18, 2025 · 32 min

    Listen, Listen, Learn, with Deirdre Giblin (Datavant Ireland)

    Listen to your customer, listen to your people, and learn about new technology—three pieces of leadership advice shared by Deirdre Giblin in our latest episode. Deirdre is Vice President of Operations and Site Lead for Datavant Ireland, which connects and integrates healthcare data from different sources, like hospitals, research institutes, and life science companies. She spoke with Ann about her approach to leadership as an engineer. Watch the video of the interview here⁠. About the series: What makes a good leader? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Silicon Republic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, in partnership with ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠IDA Ireland⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, presents a series of conversations with leaders at the helm of iconic multinationals in the areas of technology, engineering, life sciences and fintech to get invaluable insights on leadership, on emerging technologies and on the future for their sectors. Presented by Ann O'Dea, and produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shaun & Maurice⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

  • S3 · E6
    Sep 4, 2025 · 26 min

    The Future of Finance, with Lorna Martyn (Fidelity Investments)

    In the tech world, it’s important to build technologies that solve a problem, rather than looking for problems that can be solved by the technology we build. In this episode, Ann chats with Lorna Martyn, Ireland Site Lead and Senior VP, Technology Management at financial services company, Fidelity Investments. Watch the video of the interview here⁠. About the series: What makes a good leader? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Silicon Republic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, in partnership with ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠IDA Ireland⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, presents a series of conversations with leaders at the helm of iconic multinationals in the areas of technology, engineering, life sciences and fintech to get invaluable insights on leadership, on emerging technologies and on the future for their sectors. Presented by Ann O'Dea, and produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shaun & Maurice⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

  • Aug 7, 2025 · 33 min

    People-centred Leadership, with Ruth Cotter (AMD)

    Even when you’re in the business of making some of the most advanced computer chips in the world, people are still at the centre of everything you do. That’s according to Ruth Cotter, Senior Vice President and Chief Administrative Officer at US semiconductor giant AMD. Ruth joins Ann in this episode of The Leaders’ Room to discuss people-centred leadership through periods of growth in a competitive and high-tech sector. Watch the video of the interview here⁠. About the series: What makes a good leader? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Silicon Republic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, in partnership with ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠IDA Ireland⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, presents a series of conversations with leaders at the helm of iconic multinationals in the areas of technology, engineering, life sciences and fintech to get invaluable insights on leadership, on emerging technologies and on the future for their sectors. Presented by Ann O'Dea, and produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shaun & Maurice⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

  • S3 · E4
    Jul 24, 2025 · 18 min

    Listening Leadership, with Brenda Barrett (Infineon)

    This week, Brenda Barrett, Managing Director of Infineon Ireland, explains that good leadership calls for treating everyone on your team equally, but not the same. In this episode, Ann and Brenda reflect on the importance of truly getting to know your team, and doing so within one of the hottest sectors in the world right now: semiconductors. Watch the video of the interview here⁠. About the series: What makes a good leader? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Silicon Republic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, in partnership with ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠IDA Ireland⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, presents a series of conversations with leaders at the helm of iconic multinationals in the areas of technology, engineering, life sciences and fintech to get invaluable insights on leadership, on emerging technologies and on the future for their sectors. Presented by Ann O'Dea, and produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shaun & Maurice⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

  • S3 · E3
    Jul 10, 2025 · 29 min

    Empowering Leadership, with Denis Dullea (Ericsson)

    As leaders, how can we truly empower our teams and help them do their best work? In this episode, we’re looking at the telecommunications sector, and we’re speaking with one leader about how he models empowering leadership by finding the right balance between autonomy and accountability. Ann spoke with Denis Dullea, head of Ericsson Athlone, a major research centre for Ericsson. Watch the video of the interview here⁠. About the series: What makes a good leader? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Silicon Republic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, in partnership with ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠IDA Ireland⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, presents a series of conversations with leaders at the helm of iconic multinationals in the areas of technology, engineering, life sciences and fintech to get invaluable insights on leadership, on emerging technologies and on the future for their sectors. Presented by Ann O'Dea, and produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shaun & Maurice⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

  • S3 · E2
    Jun 26, 2025 · 26 min

    Leaving the Ladder Down, with Edel Collins (Thermo Fisher Scientific)

    How can leaders leave the ladder down for those who follow? In this episode, we explore leadership in the science and healthcare sector, following one leader’s path to the top and how she’s guided her team through change, growth, and uncertainty. Ann spoke with Edel Collins, General Manager of Thermo Fisher Scientific, a life science and clinical research company, with a mission to make the world healthier, cleaner, and safer. Watch the video of the interview here⁠. About the series: What makes a good leader?⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Silicon Republic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, in partnership with⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠IDA Ireland⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, presents a series of conversations with leaders at the helm of iconic multinationals in the areas of technology, engineering, life sciences and fintech to get invaluable insights on leadership, on emerging technologies and on the future for their sectors. Presented by Ann O'Dea, and produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shaun & Maurice⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

  • S3 · E1
    Jun 12, 2025 · 20 min

    Adapt Intelligently with Michael Lohan (IDA Ireland)

    These are uncertain times for global markets. Geopolitical tensions are shaking up global trade, impacting our economies, our jobs, and possibly more than anything our sense of stability. To kick off season three, and in the current unique environment, we thought it would be very timely to talk to Michael Lohan, CEO of our foreign direct investment agency, and our partners on this series, IDA Ireland. Watch the video of the interview. About the series: What makes a good leader?⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Silicon Republic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, in partnership with⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠IDA Ireland⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, presents a series of conversations with leaders at the helm of iconic multinationals in the areas of technology, engineering, life sciences and fintech to get invaluable insights on leadership, on emerging technologies and on the future for their sectors. Presented by Ann O'Dea, and produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shaun & Maurice⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

  • S2 · E8
    Jan 23, 2025 · 24 min

    Leadership That Delivers, with Robert O’Brien (Medtronic)

    In the final episode of the season, Ann O'Dea chats to Robert O’Brien, who just recently took on the role of Country Leader for Medtronic Ireland, and is also its Vice President of HR for Global Manufacturing. Ann spoke with Robert about leadership within a med tech company that has an impressive legacy, as well as a bold vision for the future of medical devices. Watch the video of the interview here⁠. About the series: What makes a good leader?⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Silicon Republic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, in partnership with⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠IDA Ireland⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, presents a series of conversations with leaders at the helm of iconic multinationals in the areas of technology, engineering, life sciences and fintech to get invaluable insights on leadership, on emerging technologies and on the future for their sectors. Presented by Ann O'Dea, and produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shaun & Maurice⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

  • S2 · E7
    Jan 9, 2025 · 29 min

    The Founder Leader, with Jack Newton (Clio)

    In the latest episode of The Leaders’ Room, Ann O'Dea spoke with Jack Newton, the CEO and Founder of Clio, a company that makes cloud-based technology for legal firms. Ann spoke with Jack about the legal tech space, and the potential for emerging technologies to disrupt the legal sector. Jack also shared his advice on leadership, including why he looks for team members who can ‘draw the owl’. Watch the video of the interview here⁠. About the series: What makes a good leader?⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Silicon Republic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, in partnership with⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠IDA Ireland⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, presents a series of conversations with leaders at the helm of iconic multinationals in the areas of technology, engineering, life sciences and fintech to get invaluable insights on leadership, on emerging technologies and on the future for their sectors. Presented by Ann O'Dea, and produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shaun & Maurice⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

  • S2 · E6
    Dec 5, 2024 · 21 min

    Building Environments for Innovation, with Mag O Keeffe (Stryker)

    In the latest episode of The Leaders’ Room, Ann O'Dea spoke with Mag O Keeffe about her work at medical technology company, Stryker, and the importance of leadership in creating environments where innovation can thrive. The med tech sector requires innovation, and lots of it. Ann spoke to Mag, who is an engineer by training, about the different ways she supports her team to come up with new ideas, and to find creative solutions to complex medical and surgical problems. ⁠Watch the video of the interview here⁠. About the series: What makes a good leader?⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Silicon Republic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, in partnership with⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠IDA Ireland⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, presents a series of conversations with leaders at the helm of iconic multinationals in the areas of technology, engineering, life sciences and fintech to get invaluable insights on leadership, on emerging technologies and on the future for their sectors. Presented by Ann O'Dea, and produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shaun & Maurice⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

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