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The Animal Turn

Claudia Hirtenfelder

Animals are increasingly at the forefront of research questions – Not as shadows to human stories, or as beings we want to understand biologically, or for purely our benefit – but as beings who have histories, stories, and geographies of their own. Each season is set around themes with each episode unpacking a particular animal turn concept and its significance therein. Join Claudia Hirtenfelder as she delves into some of the most important ideas emerging out of this recent turn in scholarship, thinking, and being.

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  • S9 · E9
    Monday · 1 hr 36 min

    S9E9: Meat, Flesh and Edibility with Erica Fudge

    In this episode, Erica Fudge joins Claudia to think about how a focus on meat, flesh, and edibility can provide insights into human and animal histories. They focus on early modern England and discuss everything from bear baiting to cows named in wills and the fact that humans are edible too. Topics Covered: the slip from writing about animals to writing about humans thinking about animals using animal welfare science and lived experience to ask better historical questions wills, dairying manuals, and tiny archival scraps as evidence of intimate human cow relations meat avoidance as self purification rather than modern animal welfare politics sermons, Shakespeare, and memento mori that insist we are flesh and future decay the moving boundary between meat, flesh, and edibility Val Plumwood’s crocodile encounter how history makes different futures thinkable Animal highlight: Fowl politics in Kingston, Ontario Erica Fudge is Professor of English Studies in the Department of Humanities at the University of Strathclyde, Glasgow. Her research is focused on the early modern English culture and history. Her books on this period include Brutal Reasoning: Animals, Rationality and Humanity in Early Modern England (Cornell, 2006) and Quick Cattle and Dying Wishes: People and their Animals in Early Modern England (Cornell, 2018). Her current research is focused on questions about meat, flesh and edibility in the period. From 2007 to 2023 Erica was the director of the British Animal Studies Network. Featured: Brutal Reasoning by Erica Fudge Quick Cattle and Dying Wishes by Erica Fudge A Left-Handed Blow: Writing the History of Animals by Erica Fudge Early Modern Flesh by Erica Fudge Aesop's Vomit: Or, Stomach Problems in Early Modern England by Erica Fudge A Discourse on Method by René Descartes The Jungle by Upton Sinclair Animal History The Notebooks of Nehemiah Wallington, 1618–1654 The diary of the Rev. Ralph Josselin Wolf Hallby Hilary Mantel Hamlet by William Shakespeare The Eye of the Crocodile by Val Plumwood The Animal That Therefore I Am by Jacques Derrida Fowl Politics on Stones Signal Group Credits: Date Recorded: 23 September 2026 Sponsor: Animals in Philosophy, Politics, Law and Ethics (A.P.P.L.E) Guests: Erica Fudge Host: Claudia Hirtenfelder Editing and Production: Claudia Hirtenfelder Episode Artwork: Rebecca Shen Content Creation and Support: Herre de Bondt and Carlo Salzani Animal Highlight: Stones Walking Tour Sound Effects: Epidemic Sound Bed Music: Gordon Clarke Logo: Jeremy John A.P.P.L.E Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities. iROAR Network iROAR brings together podcasts that aim is to make the world a better place for animals. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you. Support the show The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the iROAR Network. Learn more on our website.

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  • S9 · E8
    October 26 · 1 hr 27 min

    S9E8: World War II and Zoos with John M. Kinder

    John M. Kinder is on the show to discuss World War II and zoos. Together with Claudia the episode touches on how zoos were implicated in the propaganda and the nazification of Europe, how concentration camps had zoos, and some of the devastating day to day decisions that needed to be made about the keeping of captive animals during war time. Topics Covered: John’s pathway from war and society scholarship Zoos as politically fraught spaces The problem of using the Ark as a metaphor to describe zoos. The nazification of zoos and the implication of zoos in rewilding fantasies and racial hierarchies Zoos in concentration camps Wartime zoo logistics Using zoo animals to convey messages of fear and patriotism Animal highlight: horses in Kingston, Ontario John M. Kinder is Professor of History and Director of the American Studies Program at Oklahoma State University. He holds a PhD in American Studies from the University of Minnesota, and his research explores the relationship between war and American society since the nineteenth century. He has published three books: Paying with Their Bodies: American War and the Problem of the Disabled Veteran (2015), Service Denied: Marginalized Veterans in Modern American History (2022), and World War Zoos: Humans and Other Animals in the Deadliest Conflict of the Modern Age (2025). His latest book, co-edited with historian Jennifer Murray, is titled They Are Dead and Yet They Live: Civil War Memories in a Polarized America and will be published by the University of Nebraska Press in February 2026. He is currently working on three book projects: a cultural history of alligators for the British publisher Reaktion, a true crime history of World War II-era Mississippi, and a co-edited volume about the animal trade and American empire. Featured: World War Zoos by John M. Kinder Paying with Their Bodies by John M. Kinder They Are Dead and Yet They Live edited by Edited by John M. Kinder and Jennifer M. Murray Service Denied Edited by John M. Kinder and Jason Hggens Babylon’s Ark by Lawrence Anthony News with Shatabdi Chakrabarti, Jessica Scott-Reid, and Jan Dutkiewicz on The Animal Turn Horse Power on Stones 24 Best Anthrozoology Podcasts Signal Group Credits: Date Recorded: 18 December 2025 Sponsor: Animals in Philosophy, Politics, Law and Ethics (A.P.P.L.E) Guests: John M. Kinder Host: Claudia Hirtenfelder Editing and Production: Claudia Hirtenfelder Episode Artwork: Rebecca Shen Content Creation and Support: Herre de Bondt and Carlo Salzani Animal Highlight: Stones Walking Tour Sound Effects: Epidemic Sound Bed Music: Gordon Clarke Logo: Jeremy John A.P.P.L.E Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities. iROAR Network iROAR brings together podcasts that aim is to make the world a better place for animals. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you. Support the show The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the iROAR Network. Learn more on our website.

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  • S9 · E7
    October 19 · 1 hr 19 min

    S9E7: Fieldwork and Affect with Michael Glover

    Historian Michael Glover talks about what it takes to write animal history that treats cows as sentient subjects while still meeting the standards of rigorous scholarship. He unpacks how fieldwork with cows in the Karoo affected his writing. Topics Covered: Michael’s path into animal history through South African landscapes The methodological gap in writing historical animals as subjects Historical ethnography as a way of rebuilding past worlds from documents and artefacts Spending 30 days with free-roaming Nguni cattle as an “amateur observer” Using field experience to write more feelingly without forcing direct anachronistic comparisons Why “cattle” is a compromised word and how language can erase individuality Accountability in writing, values in scholarship, and avoiding ad hominem dismissal Animal highlight on beavers, the fur trade, and shifting colonial valuations Date Recorded: 13 April 2026 Michael Glover is a postdoctoral fellow at the International Studies Group, University of the Free State. He is an associate fellow of the Oxford Centre for Animal Ethics and a member of the Australisian Animal Studies Association. He has co-edited an anthology, Animals as Experiencing Entities: Theories and Historical Narratives (2024), and published a monograph, Cattle's Experiences of Colonialism: An Animal History of Southern Africa (2026). Featured: Animals as Experiencing Entities: Theories and Historical Narratives by Michael Glover Cattle's Experiences of Colonialism: An Animal History of Southern Africa by Michael Glover What Would Animals Say If We Asked the Right Questions? by Vinciane Despret Animal Oppression and Human Violence by David Nibert Elephants on the Edge by G.A Bradshaw News with Shatabdi Chakrabarti, Jessica Scott-Reid, and Jan Dutkiewicz on The Animal Turn Bovine Scholarship Network Valued Beavers on Stones Signal Group Quote: "At moments when stuck or struggling over a passage or concept, I would stop and ask: 'What would you say if an elephant were standing right in front of you listening? What would you say that is honest and would not make you feel ashamed?'" – G.A Bradshaw, Elephants on the Edge Credits: Sponsor: Animals in Philosophy, Politics, Law and Ethics (A.P.P.L.E) Guests: Michael Glover Host: Claudia Hirtenfelder Editing and Production: Claudia Hirtenfelder Episode Artwork: Rebecca Shen Content Creation and Support: Herre de Bondt and Carlo Salzani Animal Highlight: Stones Walking Tour Sound Effects: Epidemic Sound, BBC Sound Effects Bed Music: Gordon Clarke Logo: Jeremy John A.P.P.L.E Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities. iROAR Network iROAR brings together podcasts that aim is to make the world a better place for animals. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you. Support the show The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the iROAR Network. Learn more on our website.

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  • S9 · E6
    October 12 · 48 min

    S9E6: Municipal Records with Frederick L. Brown

    In this episode we continue our focus on methodology by talking with Frederick L. Brown about how he used municipal archives to conduct his more-than-human history of Seattle. We discuss everything from petitions to bylaws, pound records, council minutes, public health reports, property tax assessments, and city directories. Topics Covered: why urban animal history matters and why cities are always more than human how Seattle’s city archives make animal searching possible through indexing a quick taxonomy of archives including government, historical societies, companies, and personal collections why archives are not neutral and how bias enters through preservation practices salmon, treaty rights, racial covenants as tools of spatial power Sanborn insurance maps, council minutes, and the money logic behind record keeping Frederick’s next book on importing European songbirds and the challenge of scattered sources Animal highlight: Kingston dogs, shifting freedom, and changing control over time Date Recorded: 2 April 2026 Frederick L. Brown is an independent scholar, book indexer, and retired National Park Service historian. He received his Ph.D. in history from the University of Washington. He is the author of the award-winning book, The City is More Than Human: An Animal History of Seattle (University of Washington Press, 2016). He is currently finishing up the manuscript for his second book, Birds of Home: How House Sparrows, Starlings, and Other European Songbirds Became American (University of Washington Press, 2027). He divides his time between Seattle, Washington, and Corvallis, Oregon. Featured: The City is More Than Human by Frederick L. Brown Birds of Homeby Frederick L. Brown The afterlives of the lively commodityby Kathryn Gillespie Taming Manhattanby Catherine McNeur The Salmon People Podcast with Sandra Bartlett on The Animal Turn Biodiversity Heritage Library Newspapers.com Dogs on the Move on Stones Animal Highlight: “Dogs on the Move” Credits: Sponsor: Animals in Philosophy, Politics, Law and Ethics (A.P.P.L.E) Guests: Frederick L. Brown Host: Claudia Hirtenfelder Editing and Production: Claudia Hirtenfelder Episode Artwork: Rebecca Shen Content Creation and Support: Herre de Bondt and Carlo Salzani Animal Highlight: Stones Walking Tour Sound Effects: Epidemic Sound Bed Music: Gordon Clarke Logo: Jeremy John A.P.P.L.E Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you. Support the show The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the iROAR Network. Learn more on our website.

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  • S9 · E5
    October 5 · 1 hr 21 min

    S9E5: Historical Methods with Jennifer Bonnell and Sean Kheraj

    In this episode we switch gears toward considering historical methods. Sean Kheraj and Jennifer Bonnell come onto the show to discuss their edited book Traces of The Animal Past and together with Claudia they delve into some of the ways environmental and animal histories differ as well as some of the key methods scholars interested in them can use. Topics Covered: animal history versus environmental history searching for animals in the archive borrowing tools from natural and social sciences to widen primary sources writing as a method domesticated versus wild animal histories Indigenous perspectives that reframe animals as relations and obligations Animal Highlight: Goats in Kingston, Ontario Date Recorded: 20 March 2026 Jennifer Bonnell is the author or co-editor of four books, including Reclaiming the Don: An Environmental History of Toronto’s Don River Valley, released in second edition by the University of Toronto Press in 2024, and Stewards of Splendour: A History of Wildlife and People in British Columbia, published by the Royal BC Museum in 2023. Her current book project explores efforts by nineteenth and early twentieth-century beekeepers to protect pollinator habitats in the Great Lakes Region. Jennifer teaches Canadian and environmental history at York University. Sean Kheraj is a professor of Canadian and environmental history at Toronto Metropolitan University. His research examines a range of topics in environmental history including the role of non-human animals in nineteenth-century urban environments and the development of long distance oil pipelines in twentieth-century Canada. Featured: Traces of the Animal Past: Methodological Challenges in Animal History edited by Jennifer Bonnell and Sean Kheraj Inventing Stanley Park by Sean Kheraj Reclaiming the Don by Jennifer Bonnell Kicking over the Traces? Freeing the Animal from the Archive by Sandra Swart Occupational Hazards: Honeybee Labour as an Interpretive Device in Animal History by Jennifer Bonnell Hearing History through Hoofbeats: Exploring Equine Volition and Voice in the Archive by Lindsay Stallones Marshall Who is a Greyhound? Reflections on the Non-Human Digital Archive by Susan Nance Accessing Animal Health Knowledge: Popular Educators and Veterinary Science in Rural Ontario by Jody Hodigns Tuffy's Cold War: Science, Memory, and the US Nay's Dolphin by Jason Colby The Elephant in the Archive by Nigel Rothfels Making Tracks: A Grizzly and Entangled History by Colleen Campbell by Tina Loo Spatial Analysis and Digital Urban Animal History by Sean Kheraj Epilogue: Combinations and Conjunction by Harriet Ritvo Auroraby Kim Stanley Robinson Germs, Seeds, and Animals by Alfred Crosby Entertaining Elephants by Susan Nance Animal Biographies by Eric Baratay Cattle's Experiences of Colonialism by Michael Glover A left-handed blow: Writing the History of Animals by Erica Fudge The History of Animals in the Present Moment by Erica Fudge Venus in Two Acts by Saidiya Hartman Baleen whale cortisol levels reveal a physiological response to 20th century whaling by Stephen J. Trumble A Biologist Remembers by Karl von Frisch Insectopedia by Hugh Raffles Signal Group Animal Highlight: Regimental goats Quotes: “But what can a text like this tell us about this cat? How did it feel about playing such a role in the emergence of the alliance between the French and the Wendat in the early years of the French empire in North America? What was its experience of the environments of New France? How did it adapt to the new setting? Where did it sleep?” – Sean Kheraj and Jennifer Bonnell, Traces of The Animal Past “All honest convictions deserve respect, except the presumptuous assertion that there is nothing higher in the world than the mind of man.” – Karl von Frisch “He knows his bees do not speak as humans. He knows their language is less but also more than his own, and he knows his new discipline allows space only for the less. Where within the rationality of his science can he find a language to communicate a difference for which no words exist? Where can he find a language in which to understand the absence of language as something other than a lack?” – Hugh Raffles Credits: Sponsor: Animals in Philosophy, Politics, Law and Ethics (A.P.P.L.E) Guests: Jennifer Bonnell and Sean Kheraj Host: Claudia Hirtenfelder Editing and Production: Claudia Hirtenfelder Episode Artwork: Rebecca Shen Content Creation and Support: Herre de Bondt and Carlo Salzani Animal Highlight: Stones Walking Tour Sound Effects: Epidemic Sound, You Tube Bed Music: Gordon Clarke Logo: Jeremy John A.P.P.L.E Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you. Support the show The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the iROAR Network. Learn more on our website.

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  • S9 · E4
    September 28 · 1 hr 11 min

    S9E4: Segregation with Jules Skotnes-Brown

    Jules Skotnes-Brown joins Claudia on the show to discuss how segregating logics were used to govern humans and animals in South Africa’s history. This includes everything from Addo’s elephants being driven, enclosed, and “tamed”, to Kalahari San people being policed inside a national park and managed through rations and confinement. Topics Covered: The difference between environmental history and animal history Defining segregation as a ideological and material connections rather than direct comparisons Addo elephants labelled vermin then reclassified as a rare “race” worth preserving Kalahari San people policed through park rules, hunting bans, arrests, and rationing The spectrum from pest to protected as a tool of governance and population control Plague, sanitation, and health departments as engines for forced removal and spatial separation How metaphors of infestation travel from animals to humans and back again Animal highlight: pigs in Kingston, waste policy, hog cholera, and urban bylaw change Date Recorded: 16 October 2025 Jules Skotnes-Brown is a historian of animals, disease, and knowledge production in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. He is the author of Segregated Species: Pests, Knowledge, and Boundaries in South Africa, 1910-1948, which won the Royal Historical Society’s First Book Prize in 2025. He is currently writing a second book on the global history of rats, plague, and capitalist infrastructure in the twentieth century. Jules completed his PhD at University of Cambridge History and Philosophy Science in 2020. Jules is a Wellcome Trust Research Fellow at University of Liverpool and PI of the Wellcome Trust funded research project 'Conserving Global Health: Biodiversity Protection and the Prehistory of Planetary Health' (2026-2031). The project will explore the historical engagements, collaborations and frictions between conservation theories and practices and international, global, and planetary health in the long twentieth century. In so doing, it will provide a prehistory of Planetary Health. Featured: Segregated Species: Pests, Knowledge, and Boundaries in South Africa, 1910–1948 by Jules Skotnes-Brown The Kruger National Park: A Social and Political Historyby Jane Carruthers What Was It Like to Be a Cow? History and Animal Studies by Erica Fudge The History of Animals in the Present Moment by Erica Fudge Afro-Dog: Blackness and the Animal Question by Bénédicte Boisseron Venus in Two Acts by Saidiya Hartman Vermin Beings: On Pestiferous Animals and Human Game by Clapperton Chakanetsa Mavhunga Necropolitics by Achille Mbembe The Sanitation Syndrome by Maynard Swanson Elephants in Africa by Frank Melland The Global War Against the Rat and the Epistemic Emergence of Zoonosis Scurrying seafarers: shipboard rats, plague, and the land/sea borderby Jules Skotnes-Brown Sulphuric Utopias: A History of Maritime Fumigationby Lukas Engelmann and Christos Lynetris Stones: Animal Histories of Kingston by Claudia Hirtenfelder Pigs Peace Sanctuary The Animal Turn Signal Group Other episodes of The Animal Turn S5E4: Epidemiological Dividual with Christos Lynteris Season 8: Animals and Media Animal Highlight: “Eat Like a Pig”: Separating pigs from humans Quote: “The elephant problem, a term which I use as one uses the unsatisfactory phrase ‘the native problem,’ because it means to me much the same thing – the rectification of our past mistakes and the attempt to bring an old, indigenous and very different form of life into harmony with our own life and aims” from Frank Melland, Elephants in Africa (1938), p 145. The Animal Turn is part of the iROAR, an Animals Podcasting Network and can also be found on A.P.P.L.E, LinkedIn,Blue Sky, and Instagram Credits: Sponsor: Animals in Philosophy, Politics, Law and Ethics (A.P.P.L.E) Guests: Jules Skotnes-Brown Host: Claudia Hirtenfelder Editing and Production: Claudia Hirtenfelder Episode Artwork: Rebecca Shen Content Creation and Support: Herre de Bondt and Carlo Salzani Animal Highlight: Stones Walking Tour Sound Effects: Epidemic Sound Bed Music: Gordon Clarke Logo: Jeremy John A.P.P.L.E Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you. Support the show The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the iROAR Network. Learn more on our website.

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  • S9 · E3
    September 21 · 1 hr 6 min

    S9E3: Taxonomies with Harriet Ritvo

    Harriet Ritvo discusses animals and taxonomy, unfurling the ways in which animals are categorised scientifically and in everyday vernacular. She unfurls what this might mean for how we know animals and the ways in which we understand and write their histories. Topics Covered: how classification systems expose human values and power why herd books matter for animal history and domestication scientific taxonomy versus vernacular categories naming rules, authority, and what counts as a “real” species boundary how “native” and “invasive” change with politics and time camels in Australia, wild horses, dingoes, and conservation trade-offs Atlantic salmon in Kingston and the story of local extinction and restoration Date Recorded: 20 April 2026 Harriet Ritvo is the Arthur J. Conner Professor of History at MIT. She works in the fields of environmental history, the history of human-animal relations, British and British empire history, and the history of natural history. She is the author of numerous books , including The Platypus and the Mermaid, and Other Figments of the Classifying Imagination (Harvard UP, 1997), The Animal Estate: The English and Other Creatures in the Victorian Age (Harvard UP, 1987), and Noble Cows and Hybrid Zebras: Essays on Animals and History (Virginia, 2010). Her articles and reviews have appeared in a wide range of periodicals and she is an editor of the “Animals, History, Culture” series published by the Johns Hopkins University Press. She has a great deal of accolades and accomplishments, not least of which is being given the Distinguished Scholar Award from the American Society for Environmental History in 2020. Learn more about her here. Featured: The Platypus and the Mermaidby Harriet Ritvo The Animal Estate: The English and Other Creatures in the Victorian Age by Harriet Ritvo Noble Cows and Hybrid Zebras: Essays on Animals and History by Harriet Ritvo Sex and the Single Animalby Harriet Ritvo Forty years of embryo transfer in cattle by John F. Hasler After the Ice Age: The Return of Life to Glaciated North America by E. C. Pielou Anthony Trollope A list in time: A story of how animals came to be categorized by Claudia Hirtenfelder The Violent Conservation of the European Wildcat by Virginia Thomas Compassionate Conservation with Daniel Ramp on The Animal Turn. Kontihnawa:ra: Atlantic Salmon on Stones Animal Highlight: Taxonomies of Atlantic Salmon in Kingston Quote: “There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved” – Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species. The Animal Turn is part of the iROAR, an Animals Podcasting Network and can also be found on A.P.P.L.E, LinkedIn,Blue Sky, and Instagram Credits: Sponsor: Animals in Philosophy, Politics, Law and Ethics (A.P.P.L.E) Guests: Harriet Ritvo Host: Claudia Hirtenfelder Editing and Production: Claudia Hirtenfelder Episode Artwork: Rebecca Shen Content Creation and Support: Herre de Bondt and Carlo Salzani Technical Support: Christiaan Mentz Animal Highlight: Stones Walking Tour Sound Effects: Epidemic Sound Bed Music: Gordon Clarke Logo: Jeremy John Support via: Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/join/TheAnimalTurn Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/theanimalturn Buzzsprout: https://theanimalturn.buzzsprout.com/ A.P.P.L.E Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you. Support the show The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the iROAR Network. Learn more on our website.

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  • S9 · E2
    September 14 · 1 hr 32 min

    S9E2: Modernity with Erica Hill and Susan Nance

    Erica Hill and Susan Nance join Claudia on the show to discuss “modernity.” They discuss what this relatively messy shorthand means for history and for understanding human–animal relations. They try to unpack what is meant by modernity and touch on everything from industrialisation to concealment and consumption. Topics Covered: Animal History, the journal that tries to understand animals as historical subjects Using animal welfare science to interpret historical animals’ behaviour Zooarchaeology, domestication, and deep-time shifts that complicate ideas of modernity Concealment and the contradictions of animal use Intensification and standardisation Celebrity animals and hidden populations Animal Highlight: Bears in Kingston, Ontario Date Recorded: 27 April 2026 Erica Hill is President's Arctic Professor at the University of Alaska Southeast in Juneau, Alaska. She is an archaeologist with broad research interests in how humans and animals lived together in the past. She has published extensively on Indigenous human engagement with marine mammals in the North Pacific and has worked in Iceland, Peru, and the US Southwest. Her most recent edited volume is Reimagining Human–Animal Relations in the Circumpolar North (2024) with Peter Whitridge. Susan Nance is Professor of History and affiliated faculty with the Campbell Centre for the Study of Animal Welfare at the University of Guelph in Ontario, Canada. She is the author of various books and articles, including Rodeo: An Animal History (University of Oklahoma Press, 2020) and Animals in Nineteenth Century America: A History in Documents (Broadview Press, 2026). Susan is also Co-Lead Editor at Animal History, the first scholarly journal dedicated to the histories of animal life and human-animal relationships. Her current research documents the nature and scope of the trade in biologically-wild animals in the 20th century United States through a study of Las Vegas. https://susannance.com/ Featured: Animal History Rodeo: An Animal History by Susan Nance The Historical Animal by Susan Nance Reimagining Human-Animal Relations in the Circumpolar North edited by Peter Whitridge and Erica Hill Ordinary Cities: Between Modernity and Development by Jennifer Robinson What Is Animal Prehistory? by Shumon T. Hussain Man and the Natural World by Kieth Thomas Hundreds trying to storm Wisconsin beagle research facility on the CNN The Animal Turn is part of the iROAR, an Animals Podcasting Network and can also be found on A.P.P.L.E, LinkedIn,Blue Sky, and Instagram Credits: Sponsor: Animals in Philosophy, Politics, Law and Ethics (A.P.P.L.E) Guests: Susan Nance and Erica Hill Host: Claudia Hirtenfelder Editing and Production: Claudia Hirtenfelder Episode Artwork: Rebecca Shen Content Creation and Support: Herre de Bondt and Carlo Salzani Technical Support: Christiaan Mentz Animal Highlight: Stones Walking Tour Sound Effects: BBC Sound Effects; Epidemic Sound Bed Music: Gordon Clarke Logo: Jeremy John A.P.P.L.E Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you. Support the show The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the iROAR Network. Learn more on our website.

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  • S9 · E1
    September 7 · 1 hr 37 min

    S9E1: Animals' Cultural Histories with Sandra Swart

    Claudia speaks with historian Sandra Swart about the importance of recognising animals’ cultural histories. They discuss the maturation of animal history as a field and focus on the cultural histories of baboons and elephants in South Africa. Topics covered: Working definition of animal culture Fuffification and disnification of wildlife The deep and urban history of baboons A lone elephant in the Knysna Forest ‘Rogue’ elephants in the Pilanesberg Animal Highlight: Elephant history in Kingston, Ontario Sandra Swart is Professor and Chair of the Department of History at Stellenbosch University, South Africa. She is Director of the African Anthropocenes Research Centre, Guest Professor of Anthropocene History at KTH Royal Institute of Technology, Sweden, and co-Vice President of European Society for Environmental History. She received her DPhil in Modern History from in 2001, and simultaneously an MSc in Environmental Change and Management, both at Oxford University. She studies the more-than-human history of southern Africa. She is an editor of the Brill book series African and Asian Anthropocene: Studies in the Environmental Humanities. She is the co-author with Greg Bankoff, of , Breeds of Empire: The ‘invention’ of the horse in the Philippines and Southern Africa, 1500-1950 (Nordic Institute of Asian Studies Press 2007); co-editor, with Lance van Sittert, of Canis Africanis: a dog history of southern Africa (Brill, 2008), co-editor of Gender and Animals in History (Amsterdam University Press, 2024), and co-editor with Emily O’Gorman, Mark Carey and William San Martín, The Routledge Handbook of Environmental History (Routledge, 2023). She is sole author of Riding High – Horses, Humans and History in South Africa (Johannesburg: Witwatersrand University Press, 2010) Her most recent book is The Lion’s Historian – Africa’s Animal Past (Ohio University Press, 2025), winner of the Southern African Historical Prize 2025. Learn more. Date Recorded: 20 May 2026 Featured: The Lion’s Historian by Sandra Swart Riding High: Horses, Humans, and History in South Africa by Sandra Swart The Dreaded Comparison by Majorie Spiegel Cooperative Hunting: How Eels and Grouper Partner on Prey Animal rights/human rights: Entanglements of oppression and liberation by David Nibert Lions of Gir Stones Walking Tour: Colonial Elephant Other Episodes of The Animal Turn Mentioned: S2E3: Animal Culture with Carl Safina S6E8: Re-Animalization with Krithika Srinivasan Quotes: “Until the lion has the opportunity to tell the story of the hunt it will aways be a story of the hunter” (West African Proverb). “I would be proud to call myself ‘the lion’s historian.’ I hope I have many years ahead exploring social and environmental history in a way that takes the other animals seriously. But let us not concede that we historians are more like baboons than lions. Of course, I mean this in the nicest possible way. A good historian is baboonesque – a trickster figure, adept at shapeshifting and boundary-crossing, unconstrained and omnivorous in our intellectual pleasures. We diligently and delicately pick the lice from the archival armpit. We are not afraid to grasp the nettle or to pluck the prickly pear of public polemic. We are strangers on the rocks, the watchers on the krantzes, the sentinels on the wall. We see and remember” (Swart, The Lion’s Historian, 2023, 294). “We need to write histories taking a broader view beyond that of the hunter. We need accounts that connect deep history to the present moment. We need stories in which gender and generational context are not forgotten. These new histories will allow us to understand our own past as more complete in a multi-species and more-than-human context. But I would go much further and suggest that the other animals have their own histories too, both entangled in and independent of our human histories. Our understanding that animals have their own ‘cultures’, their ‘having history’ becomes irrefutable. What, after all, is history if not cultures changing over time?” (Swart, The Lion’s Historian, 2023, 83). The Animal Turn is part of the iROAR, an Animals Podcasting Network and can also be found on A.P.P.L.E, LinkedIn,Blue Sky, and Instagram Thank you to Animals in Philosophy, Politics, Law and Ethics (A.P.P.L.E) for sponsoring this podcast; Gordon Clarke (Instagram: @_con_sol_) for the bed music, Jeremy John for the logo. Thank you Rebecca Shen, Christiaan Menz, Herre de Bondt, and Carlo Salzani for back of house and content support. This episode was edited and produced by the host Claudia Towne Hirtenfelder. A.P.P.L.E Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you. Support the show The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the iROAR Network. Learn more on our website.

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  • August 24 · 1 hr 10 min

    From the Archive: Extraterritorial Jurisdiction with Charlotte Blattner

    Charlotte Blattner discusses how international law, specifically Extraterritorial Jurisdiction, might provide a useful and productive way in which to build legal protections for animals. Date recorded: 10 April 2020 Guest: Charlotte E. Blattner is a senior researcher and lecturer at the Institute for Public Law, University of Bern. She earned her PhD in international law and animal law from the University of Basel, Switzerland, as part of the doctoral program Law and Animals. From 2017-2018, she completed a postdoctoral fellowship at the Department of Philosophy at Queen’s University, Canada, working on animal labour as part of Animals in Philosophy, Politics, Law, and Ethics (APPLE). From 2018-2020, Blattner was a postdoctoral fellow at Harvard Law School’s Animal Law & Policy Program, funded by the Swiss National Science Foundation, to explore critical intersections of animal and environmental law. She is the author of Protecting Animals Within and Across Borders (2019, available open access here) and Animal Labour: A New Frontier of Interspecies Justice? (2020, coedited with Will Kymlicka and Kendra Coulter), both published by Oxford University Press. Blattner has argued several cases in court, including the “Primate Rights Case” currently pending at the Swiss Federal Supreme Court. Find out more about Charlotte here. Featured: Protecting Animals Within and Across Borders: Extraterritorial Jurisdiction and the Challenges of Globalization by Charlotte E. Blattner Critical Terms for Animal Studies edited by Lori Gruen featuring Kristen Stilt A.P.P.L.E Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you. Support the show The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the iROAR Network. Learn more on our website.

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  • August 10 · 1 hr 7 min

    From the Archive: Shoalmates with Jonathan Balcombe

    [From the Archive - Enjoy!] Claudia talks to Jonathan Balcombe about fishes and their varied and incredible experiences. Using the concept of ‘shoalmates’ as a launch pad, they discuss some of the intra- and inter-species relations fishes engage in from work to cuddle and play. Date recorded: 30 November 2020 Jonathan Balcombe is a biologist with a PhD in ethology, the study of animal behavior. His books include Pleasurable Kingdom, Second Nature, The Exultant Ark, and What a Fish Knows—a New York Times best-seller now available in fifteen languages. His next book for grown-ups, Super Fly, will be published May 2021 by Penguin Books. A children’s story book about a boy and a fish is also scheduled for publication in 2021. He has taught courses in animal behavior and sentience for the Viridis Graduate Institute, and Humane Society University. He lives in Belleville, Ontario where in his spare time he enjoys biking, baking, birding, Bach, and trying to understand the neighborhood squirrels. Learn more about Jonathan and his work here. Featured: A foray into the worlds of animals and humans by Jakob von Uexküll; Sterling murmuration by canoeists; The Ocean Sunfishes by Tierney Thys et al; The Dark Hobby by Paradise Filmworks Thank you to Animals in Philosophy, Politics, Law and Ethics (A.P.P.L.E) for sponsoring this podcast, Gordon Clarke (Instagram: @_con_sol_) for the bed music, and Jeremy John (Website) for the logo. A.P.P.L.E Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you. Support the show The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the iROAR Network. Learn more on our website.

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  • August 3 · 1 hr 27 min

    Bonus: (Anti)Vivisection with Lauren Stein and Richard Miller

    Vivisection is an old word for a practice that still shapes modern medicine: using living bodies as tools for knowledge. Claudia talks with Lauren Stein and Richard Miller from the National Anti-Vivisection Society to unpack some of vivisection’s history, how scientists understand it and think through the ethics of it, as well as the emergence of alternatives to its use. Date Recorded: 22 June 2026 Lauren Stein, Ph.D., is the Director of Science and Research Programs at the National Anti-Vivisection Society (NAVS). She joined NAVS in 2024 after spending more than a decade in academic biomedical research focused on the interactions between the brain and body and their effects on human health. Lauren holds a Ph.D. in Pharmacology and Physiology and is dedicated to advancing humane, human-relevant research technologies that replace animal use while improving scientific outcomes. Through her work at NAVS, she helps educate the public about emerging alternatives to animal testing and the future of biomedical research. Learn more at https://navs.org. Richard Miller, Ph.D., is Professor Emeritus of Pharmacology at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine and a science adviser to the National Anti-Vivisection Society. After decades conducting biomedical research, he became a leading voice for replacing animal experimentation with modern, human-relevant research methods. He is the author of The Rise and Fall of Animal Experimentation: Empathy, Science, and the Future of Research, which examines the history, ethics, and scientific limitations of animal-based research while exploring emerging alternatives. Dr. Miller has published more than 500 scientific papers and brings both firsthand laboratory experience and historical perspective to discussions about the future of science. Learn more at https://richardjmillerscientist.com. Featured: National Anti-Vivisection Society (NAVS) The Rise and Fall of Animal Experimentation by Richard Miller On The Revolutions Of The Celestial Spheres by Nicholas Copernicus De humani corporis fabrica libri septem by Andreae Vesalii Bruxellensis A Discourse on Method by Rene Descartes. The Vacanti Mouse (The Ear Mouse) Ontario halts invasive medical testing on dogs and cats Other Episodes of The Animal Turn S5E5: Animal Testing and its Alternatives with Thomas Hartung S5E6: Brown Dog - The Forgotten Terrier Who Sparked a Movement A.P.P.L.E Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you. Support the show The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the iROAR Network. Learn more on our website.

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  • July 30 · 1 hr 20 min

    Bonus: Haunting with Kathryn Gillespie

    Claudia talks with Kathryn Gillespie about “haunting” as a way to notice how harm and care shape everyday human–animal relationships. They discuss everything, from feeding urban crows to grieving orcas and lab beagles learning what grass feels like. They consider the role of attentiveness in relations with animals and ask what becomes visible when we stop treating violence as background noise. Date Recorded: 1 April 2026 Kathryn Gillespie, PhD, is a writer, researcher, and educator dedicated to understanding the relationships of harm and care humans have with other animals. Her work invites readers to reflect on their own connections and disconnections with animals and the natural work and imagine a path to gentler futures. She is the author of The Sound of Feathers: Attentive Living in a World Beyond Ourselves and The Cow with Ear Tag #1389. She lives at the end of the world with a wonderful human, three senior rescue horses, and a donkey with a big personality. Learn more about Kathryn via her website. Featured: The Sound of Feathers by Kathryn Gillespie The Cow with Ear Tag #1389 by Kathryn Gillespie The afterlives of the lively commodity by Kathryn Gillespie Playing Possum by Susana Monsó Animals and the Right to Politics by Sue Donaldson and Will Kymlicka Ghostly Matters by Avery F. Gordon The Spectralities Reader edited by Maria del Pilar Blanco and Esther Peeren How to do nothing by Jenny Odell Other Episodes of The Animal Turn S2E5 - Intimate Geography with Kathryn Gillespie Quote: “Haunting is one way in which abusive systems of power make themselves known and their impacts felt in everyday life, especially when they are supposedly over and done with (slavery, for instance) or when their oppressive nature is denied (as in free labor or national security). Haunting is not the same as being exploited, traumatized, or oppressed, although it usually involves these experiences or is produced by them. What's distinctive about haunting is that it is an animated state in which a repressed or unresolved social violence is making itself known, sometimes very directly, sometimes more obliquely. I used the term haunting to describe those singular yet repetitive instances when home becomes unfamiliar, when your bearings on the world lose direction, when the over-and-done-with comes alive, when what's been in your blind spot comes into view. Haunting raises specters, and it alters the experience of being in time, the way we separate the past, the present, and the future. These specters or ghosts appear when the trouble they represent and symptomize is no longer being contained or repressed or blocked from view. The ghost, as I understand it, is not the invisible or some ineffable excess. The whole essence, if you can use that word, of a ghost is that it has a real presence and demands its due, your attention. Haunting and the appearance of specters or ghosts is one way, I tried to suggest, we are notified that what's been concealed is very much alive and present, interfering precisely with those always incomplete forms of containment and repression ceaselessly directed toward us. From Ghostly Matters (page xvi). The Animal Turn is part of the iROAR, an Animals Podcasting Network and can also be found on A.P.P.L.E, LinkedIn,Blue Sky, and Instagram Thank you to Animals in Philosophy, Politics, Law and Ethics (A.P.P.L.E) for sponsoring this podcast; Gordon Clarke (Instagram: @_con_sol_) for the bed music, Jeremy John for the logo, Rebecca Shen for her design work. This episode was edited and produced by the host Claudia Towne Hirtenfelder. A.P.P.L.E Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you. Support the show The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the iROAR Network. Learn more on our website.

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  • July 20 · 1 hr 19 min

    Bonus: Deception with John Sanbonmatsu

    John Sanbonmatsu joins Claudia on the show to discuss ‘deception,’ a concept in the title of his recently published book “The Omnivore’s Deception.” We explore how deception operates in understandings of meat and human relations with animals, including how industries actively deceive the public but also how individuals engage in practices of bad faith and self-deception. Date Recorded: 25 February 2026 John Sanbonmatsu is Professor of Philosophy at Worcester Polytechnic Institute in Massachusetts, where he teaches courses in ethics, politics, and existentialism, philosophy of technology, and other topics. He is the author of The Omnivore's Deception: What We Get Wrong about Meat, Animals, and Ourselves (NYU Press) and of The Postmodern Prince: Critical Theory, Left Strategy, and the Making of a New Political Subject (Monthly Review Press). He is also editor of the book Critical Theory and Animal Liberation (Bloomsbury). His opinion essays have appeared in Christian Science Monitor, CounterPunch, Huffington Post, and St. Louis Post-Dispatch, among other places. Learn more about him on his website. Featured: The Omnivore’s Deception by John Sanbonmatsu The Postmodern Prince by John Sanbonmatsu Animal Liberation by Peter Singer The Omnivores Dilemma by Michael Pollan The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith The Women’s Room by Marilyn French The Heart is a Lonely Hunter by Carson McCullers Moby Dick by Herman Melville Bad Faith by Jean-Paul Sartre The Animals versus man the king of the jinn by Ikhwān al-Ṣafāʼ The Jungle by Upton Sinclair The Lives of Animals by J.M. Coetzee Anti-Semite and Jew by Jean-Paul Satre Population Balance Half-Earth Socialism by Troy Vettese and Drew Pendergrass The Animal Turn is part of the iROAR, an Animals Podcasting Network and can also be found on A.P.P.L.E, LinkedIn,Blue Sky, and Instagram Thank you to Animals in Philosophy, Politics, Law and Ethics (A.P.P.L.E) for sponsoring this podcast; Gordon Clarke (Instagram: @_con_sol_) for the bed music, Jeremy John for the logo, Rebecca Shen, Christiaan Menz, Herre de Bondt, and Carlo Salzani for their content creation and support. This episode was edited and produced by the host Claudia Towne Hirtenfelder. A.P.P.L.E Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you. Support the show The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the iROAR Network. Learn more on our website.

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  • May 25 · 1 hr 31 min

    Bonus: Animals and the Right to Politics with Sue Donaldson and Will Kymlicka

    Claudia talks to political philosophers Sue Donaldson and Will Kymlicka about their latest book Animals and the Right to Politics. They discuss the differences between societal and placed based politics, unpacking why both are necessary to enable animals’ political engagement. Date Recorded: 30 January 2026 Featured: Animals and The Right to Politics by Sue Donaldson and Will Kymlicka Animal agora: Animal citizens and the democratic challenge by Sue Donaldson Environmental Ethics as Environmental Etiquette by Jim Cheney and Anthony Weston What Comes After Entanglement by Eva Giraud Public Things by Bonnie Honig The Frontenac Axis VINE Sanctuary Other Episodes of The Animal Turn S1E1: Animal Rights with Will Kymlicka S2E7: Political Multispecies Communities with Sue Donaldson S6E1: Politics with Will Kymlicka Bonus: Koalas with Danielle Clode A.P.P.L.E Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you. Support the show The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the iROAR Network. Learn more on our website.

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  • May 18 · 1 hr 21 min

    Bonus: Psychoanalysis and the Meat-Commodity with Teddy Duncan Jr.

    In this episode Claudia talks Teddy Duncan Jr. who departs from the Marxian consideration of the meat-commodity to think about how psychoanalysis, especially Lacanian psychoanalysis, might be useful in understanding human relations with meat. They discuss the interconnections of language, disavowal, symbolism, jouissance, and ‘the Real’ in this discussion. Date Recorded: 12 November 2025 Teddy Duncan Jr is a professor at Valencia College in Orlando, Florida. Teddy’s academic writing on subjects such as animality, psychoanalysis, pedagogy, and philosophy has been published in Between the Species, Journal on Excellence in College Teaching, the International Journal of Zizek Studies, The Latin American Literary Review, and The Midwest Quarterly. His freelance writing on art, politics, and literature has appeared in publications such as The Observer, Compact Magazine, Document Journal, and Washington Independent Review of Books, among others. His first academic book, Interpreting Meat, was released in late 2024. Get in touch with Teddy Duncan via tduncan15@valenciacollege.edu Featured: Zoological Lacan: A Lacanian Framework for Animality and Humanness by Teddy Duncan For They Know Not What They Do: Enjoyment as a Political Factorby Slavoj Žižek The Sexual Politics of Meat by Carol Adams Mythologiesby Roland Barthes Powers of Horror by Julia Kristeva Animal to Edible by Noilie Vialles Ecrits: A Selection by Jacques Lacan Human, All Too Human: "Animal Studies" and the Humanities by Cary Wolfe “Eat More Chicken” – Chick-Fil-A-Cows Ad Campaign A.P.P.L.E Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you. Support the show The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the iROAR Network. Learn more on our website.

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  • May 11 · 1 hr 28 min

    Bonus: Creature Needs with Lucy Spelman, Susan Tacent, and Christopher Kondrich

    A scientific abstract can tell you a species is declining. A story can make you feel what that loss means and why it should change how you live. In this episode Claudia talks to Lucy Spelman, Susan Tacent, and Christopher Kondrich, the co-editors behind Creature Needs, a striking book that juxtaposes conservation science with poems, essays, and fiction written in response. They discuss the book, writing as a means of connection, and the politics of conservation. Date Recorded: 29 June 2025 Featured: Creature Conserve Creature Needs: Writers Respond to the Science of Animal Conservation Edited by Christopher Kondrich, Lucy Spelman and Susan Tacent Animals and Sound on The Animal Turn Feral Atlas by Anna Tsing What is it like to be a bat? By Thomas Nagel The Animal Highlight Compassionate Conservation with Daniel Ramp, The Animal Turn The Animal Turn is part of the iROAR, an Animals Podcasting Network and can also be found on A.P.P.L.E, LinkedIn, Blue Sky, and Instagram Thank you to Animals in Philosophy, Politics, Law and Ethics (A.P.P.L.E) for sponsoring this podcast; Gordon Clarke (Instagram: @_con_sol_) for the bed music, Jeremy John for the logo, Rebecca Shen for her design work. This episode was edited and produced by the host Claudia Towne Hirtenfelder. A.P.P.L.E Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you. Support the show The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the iROAR Network. Learn more on our website.

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  • S8 · E11
    Dec 29, 2025 · 1 hr 10 min

    S8EB: Monstrous Others with Rachel Dean-Ruzicka

    We explore how Stranger Things signals a new monstrous moment, moving from unknowable creatures to human-made villains, and what that shift says about power, identity, and culture. Along the way, we ask how animals get coded as monsters and when their agency is reclaimed or removed in film and TV. Date Recorded: 22 April 2025 Featured: Tolerance Discourse and Young Adult Holocaust Literatureby Rachel Dean-Ruzicka Paranormal Maturation: Uncanny Teenagers and Canny Killers by Rachel Dean-Ruzicka Of Scrivens and Sparks: Girl Geniuses in Young Adult Dystopian Fiction by Rachel Dean-Ruzicka Monster Culture (Seven Theses) by Jeffrey Jerome Cohen The Monster Theory Reader by Jeffrey Andrew Weinstock The Angel of Indian Lake by Stephen Graham Jones Annihilation by Jeff Vandermeer Stranger Things Cocaine Bear Mickey 17 Okja Random Number Generator Horror Podcast No. 9 Nature Trail to Hell Monsters, Heroes, and Others: Unpacking Power in Media and Politics through Race or Species A.P.P.L.E Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities. iROAR Network iROAR brings together podcasts that aim is to make the world a better place for animals. Georgia Institute of Technology School of Modern Language, Ivan Allen College of Liberal Arts, School of Literature, Media, & Commun Pollination Project The Pollination Project empowers volunteers across by providing the funding they need. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you. Support the show The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the iROAR Network. Learn more on our website.

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  • S8 · E10
    Dec 29, 2025 · 1 hr 28 min

    S8E10: Grad Review with Gina Song Lopez and Taylor Jobling

    Gina Song Lopez, researching vegan movements in Taiwan and China through the lens of local culture and social media, and Taylor Jobling, a law lecturer unpacking how Australia’s legislation categorises animals, come on to the show to discuss the main themes and tensions to emerge in Season 8, Animals and Media Date Recorded: 8 December 2025 Featured: What Comes After Entanglement by Eva Giraud The Birth of Korean Cool by Euny Hong The Omnivore’s Deception by John Sanbonmatsu Animals and the Rights to Politics by Sue Donaldson and Will Kymlicka An analytical framework to understand the problematization of urban (historical) animals by Claudia Hirtenfelder Black Fish Finding Nemo Flow The Cove Cowspiracy Earthlings A.P.P.L.E Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities. iROAR Network iROAR brings together podcasts that aim is to make the world a better place for animals. Georgia Institute of Technology School of Modern Language, Ivan Allen College of Liberal Arts, School of Literature, Media, & Commun Pollination Project The Pollination Project empowers volunteers across by providing the funding they need. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you. Support the show The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the iROAR Network. Learn more on our website.

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  • S8 · E9
    Dec 22, 2025 · 1 hr 34 min

    S8E9: News with Shatabdi Chakrabarti, Jessica Scott-Reid, and Jan Dutkiewicz

    In this episode we bring together a photojournalist from India, a Canadian columnist, and a political scientist/reporter to discuss animals and the news. We discuss different types of news as well as some of the challenges that come with creating news content that focuses on animals. Date Recorded: 4 June 2025 Featured: How to Spot Misinformation and Bias About Climate and Food in the News by Jessica Scott-Reid Meatsplaining by Jason Hannan Feed the People by Jan Dutkiewicz and Gabriel N. Rosenberg Mother Cow, Mother India by Yamini Narayanan Netflix’s Liver King Doc skips the meat of the story by Jessica Scott-Reid An animal rights activist was in court on criminal charges. Why was the case suddenly dismissed? On The Guardian Sentient Media Free Willy We Animals Future Perfect on Vox Animal Rights on The New Republic Animals on The Guardian Animals Rights Activism on The Intercept Animals on Wired Animals on New York Times Animal Justice Dairy Farming Investigations Pandas on the New York Times A.P.P.L.E Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities. iROAR Network iROAR brings together podcasts that aim is to make the world a better place for animals. Georgia Institute of Technology School of Modern Language, Ivan Allen College of Liberal Arts, School of Literature, Media, & Commun Pollination Project The Pollination Project empowers volunteers across by providing the funding they need. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you. Support the show The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the iROAR Network. Learn more on our website.

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