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Jacob Thomson and Rory Linkletter

Rory Linkletter and Jacob Thomson are professional marathoners chasing fast times and big goals on the roads. Training out of Flagstaff, Arizona, they’ve got plenty of stories from the grind of big mileage, the chaos of race travel, the highs and lows of racing on the world stage and the random stuff that happens between workouts. With a passion for storytelling, running culture, and building community, Rory and Jacob bring listeners behind the scenes of the marathon lifestyle. Training talk with a few detours.

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  • 28 episodes
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  • Avg 1 hr 8 min
  • English

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  • S1 · E36
    May 10 · 47 min

    #36 - How to taper for a Marathon and How to Recover After | Shakeout Podcast with John Gay

    How to taper for a marathon, How to recover after a marathon & much more, on The Shakeout Podcast with John Gay ahead of his marathon debut. Kava Haven: All the Buzz, None of the Booze — get 15% off your first order at http://kavahaven.com/outandback Code: OUTANDBACK15 Check out the Meteo Pace App to be prepared for your next race Join our newsletter ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: Jacob’s YouTube ⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠ Out And Back YouTube ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ Jacob’s Coaching Website SandyBoy Productions

  • S1 · E35
    May 3 · 1 hr 10 min

    #35 Between Reps - London Marathon, 2:05 in Ohio, Has the marathon changed forever? Listener Questions!

    We try to make sense of the London Marathon, compare it to the Boston Marathon, Talk about the crazy 2:05 in Toledo Ohio and then follow up with some listener questions. Enjoy! Join our newsletter ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: Jacob’s YouTube ⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠ Out And Back YouTube ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ Jacob’s Coaching Website SandyBoy Productions Meteo Pace App Cure Hydration

  • S1 · E33
    April 19 · 1 hr 3 min

    #33 Ben Rosario - Running Industry Insider, Professional Coach and Founder of NAZ Elite, Race Director, Running Store Owner

    We sat down with Ben Rosario to chat about his life in the running world. From owning running stores, founding a professional running team NAZ elite, driving sponsorship into the team with Hoka, owning and running The Marathon Project, his best coaching memories and more. Ben shares his thoughts and opinions on how to make the sport continue to grow and tells us what his blowing his mind about the current current boom. ⁠Meteo Pace App⁠ ⁠Cure Hydration⁠ ⁠ZBiotics⁠ Join our newsletter ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: Jacob’s YouTube ⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠ Out And Back YouTube ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ Jacob’s Coaching Website SandyBoy Productions Check out our former sponor ⁠The Marathon Project⁠ if you want to run fast in December of 2026. Use Code "outandback" for an additional $25 off your registration. Prices go up on May 1st! Chapters 00:00 The Evolution of Running 14:13 The Marathon Project 25:56 Career Paths in Running 34:24 The Evolution of Running Booms

  • S1 · E32
    April 12 · 57 min

    #32 Between Reps - Boston Marathon Edition, Deep Dive into our Boston Builds, Will the World Champs Marathon be Successful? How Hard is it to Make Multiple US Olympic Marathon Teams?

    See you all at our Boston Shakeout Run! Saturday April 18th 12:30 PM @ Hatch Memorial Shell Join our newsletter ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: Jacob’s YouTube ⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠ Out And Back YouTube ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ Jacob’s Coaching Website SandyBoy Productions

  • S1 · E31
    April 5 · 1 hr 24 min

    #31 - Listener Call In Show, We answer your marathon questions and discuss all the hot takes.

    This week we have a Listener Call In Show, which is a new take on our mailbag episodes. 6 guest appear to throw us their questions and takes for discussion. Please join our newsletter and check out our YouTube Channels as well. The podcast will also be on YouTube as well as our normal podcast services going forward! Let us know what you think in the comments. Join our newsletter ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: ⁠Jacob’s YouTube⁠ ⁠⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠ ⁠ ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ Jacob’s Coaching Website SandyBoy Productions Thanks to for sponsoring todays show - check out our link for 20% off your order.

  • S1 · E30
    March 29 · 1 hr 19 min

    #30 Ed Eyestone - From being an Olympian to Coaching Them, Elite Marathon Training Philosophy, What's Difference in Today's Era of Running and Training

    Be sure to check out our show notes and sign up for our newsletter if you want the details on our Out & Back Boston Marathon Shakeout Run - we'll have some merch there as well! Today we are joined by the legend Ed Eyestone. Coach Eyestone has seen ever era of running from amateurism to super shoes. We talk about his running career, his transition to coaching, how he coaches the marathon, today's NCAA ever changing landscape, what makes Utah produce such good runners, and we also answer some great listener questions about his training philosophy. Join our newsletter ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Rory’s Youtube⁠ Jacob’s Coaching Website SandyBoy Productions Thank you to ⁠The Marathon Project⁠ for supporting this weeks episode. Use Code "outandback" for an additional $25 off your registration. Prices go up on April 1st!

  • S1 · E29
    March 22 · 1 hr 21 min

    #29 Phil Sesemann - London Marathon Training, Linking up with Alex Yee and Emile Cairess, Achieving the Olympic Dream + a NYC Half Marathon Debrief from Jacob and Rory

    In this two-part episode, Rory and Jacob recap the NYC United Airlines Half Marathon, breaking down their race performances, key takeaways, and how it impacts their build toward the Boston Marathon. Then, we’re joined by elite British marathoner and Olympian Dr. Phil Sesemann. Phil has already run 2:07 twice in 2025 and is aiming for a top 10 finish at the London Marathon for the 4th time in his career. In this conversation, we dive into elite marathon training, periodization, race strategy, and what it takes to perform at the highest level of the sport. Phil shares insights on marathon preparation, pacing tactics, and how he balances professional running with family life. We also go behind the scenes of training with some of the best athletes in the world, including Olympic gold medalist Alex Yee and 2:06 marathoner Emile Cairess, who finished 4th at the Olympic Marathon. If you’re interested in marathon training, Boston Marathon prep, elite running insights, or learning how the pros approach race day, this episode is packed with value. Join our newsletter ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Rory’s Youtube⁠ Jacob’s Coaching Website SandyBoy Productions Thank you to ⁠The Marathon Project⁠ for supporting this weeks episode. Use Code "outandback" for an additional $25 off your registration. Prices go up on April 1st! Check out our podcast sponsor CURE here:⁠curehydration.com/OUTANDBACK⁠

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