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Jacob Thomson and Rory Linkletter

Rory Linkletter and Jacob Thomson are professional marathoners chasing fast times and big goals on the roads. Training out of Flagstaff, Arizona, they’ve got plenty of stories from the grind of big mileage, the chaos of race travel, the highs and lows of racing on the world stage and the random stuff that happens between workouts. With a passion for storytelling, running culture, and building community, Rory and Jacob bring listeners behind the scenes of the marathon lifestyle. Training talk with a few detours.

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  • Thursday · 1 hr 6 min

    #48 Vincent Ciattei on Winning the US 5000m Title, Training as a Miler at Altitude, and the Dark Sky Squad

    ⁠Buy merch: https://outandback.shop/⁠ Vincent Ciattei comes straight off USA Track and Field Championships in New York where he finished second in the 1500 by five hundredths of a second, sent a message to his college group chat saying he was winning the 5K the next day, and then did exactly that. First Dark Sky teammate on the pod, and one of the more interesting training conversations the show has had. Vincent is a 3:48 miler running 90-mile weeks at 7,000 feet, doing double threshold, hill circuits at Marshall Lake, and long tempos down in Camp Verde, and this year it all clicked. They get into what a training cycle actually looks like for a mid-distance guy, how he thinks about threshold intensity control, why the 5K is becoming a legitimate weapon for elite milers, what Dark Sky's massive training group brings out in each other, and the broader conversation around why the best Americans keep skipping USAs in off years and what could be done about it. Goodr: Upgrade your eyewear by heading to goodr.com/OUTANDBACK to claim $10 off your first order. Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACK ⁠⁠Join our Strava group⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow us: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Out And Back YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory's Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠SandyBoy Productions

  • July 26 · 1 hr 4 min

    #47 Between Reps: Josh Kerr's Record, USAs, and Training Updates

    MERCH: https://outandback.shop/ Jacob and Rory are back in Flagstaff after weeks on the road, and Jacob gives an update on his Achilles: no pain in four weeks, mileage climbing back up, and marathon training officially back on. They dig into the Chicago Marathon field announcement, with Sharon Lokedi as the headline story and a stacked American men's field chasing fast times. Then Josh Kerr's mile world record takes over, from the race itself to whether he could go after the 1500m record next, and why USA Outdoor Championships keep losing their biggest names to Europe. They close out with listener questions on training locations, gear from their college days, favorite non-major marathons, and what kids at running camp do better than grown adults. https://www.thomsontraining.run/ https://www.letstango.run/ Goodr: Upgrade your eyewear by heading to goodr.com/OUTANDBACK to claim $10 off your first order. Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACK

  • July 19 · 58 min

    #46 Madey Dickson on Running 2:28 at Boston, Working Full Time as a Nurse, and Chasing Big Goals at Berlin

    Madey Dickson is a full-time ICU and ER nurse who runs 100 miles a week, smashed the OTQ by nine minutes at Boston, and won Puma's Project Three, all while working 12-hour shifts. Rory coaches her and they were teammates at BYU, where she was a middle distance runner who stumbled into the marathon almost by accident. They talk training around a nurse's schedule, self belief, the Berlin build, and what the 2028 Olympic Trials could look like for her. Goodr: Upgrade your eyewear by heading to goodr.com/OUTANDBACK to claim $10 off your first order. ⁠⁠Join our Strava group⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Buy merch: https://outandback.shop/⁠ Follow us: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Out And Back YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory's Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠SandyBoy Productions

  • July 12 · 1 hr 3 min

    #45 Between Reps - Summer Heat Training, Josh Kerr's World Record Attempt, and Fall Marathon Field Rumors With Chris Striegel

    Jacob, Rory, and Chris Striegel of the Life in Stride Podcast check in for a between reps episode packed with summer training talk and fall marathon buzz. They start with heat training -- what Chris is doing in Kentucky with a newborn, what Jacob survived in Orange Beach, and how to stop panicking about pace when it's 90 degrees and humid. They recap their Fourth of July races in Lexington and Rory's athlete Madey Dixon winning the downtown Flagstaff Mile in a course record. Then it's current events: Josh Kerr's world record attempt in the mile, Faith Kipyegon's first 1500 loss in five years to Nikki Hiltz, and what to watch at USA Track and Field Championships. They close out with fall marathon field speculation, Vinny Mauri's treadmill long run hype, and whether Athing Mu has quietly stepped away from the sport. Follow Chris Join our Strava group⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Buy merch: https://outandback.shop/⁠ Follow us: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Out And Back YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory's Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠SandyBoy Productions

  • July 5 · 1 hr 13 min

    #44 NAZ Elite Coach Jack Mullaney on Building Team Culture, Alex Masai's Breakout, and Marathon Training Philosophy

    Jack Mullaney, head coach of NAZ Elite, joins Jacob and Rory at the Run Flagstaff studio for episode 44. Jack walked into one of the most storied professional running programs in the country two and a half years ago as a first-time head coach, inheriting a team mid-transition and figuring out how to build something that felt like his own. He talks about how he navigated that, what his five C's of coaching actually look like in practice, and why connection is the foundation he keeps coming back to. The conversation gets into the weeds on training philosophy: his three non-negotiables, why he's skeptical of silver bullet trends, and how he thinks about keeping all paces present year-round. They also deep dive into specifics of some of Jack's athletes' training and performances. Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.meteopace.com/redeem⁠⁠⁠⁠ Code: OUTANDBACK ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACK⁠⁠⁠ Goodr: Upgrade your eyewear by heading to goodr.com/OUTANDBACK to claim $10 off your first order. ⁠Join our Strava group⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Buy merch: https://outandback.shop/⁠ Follow us: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Out And Back YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory's Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠SandyBoy Productions

  • June 28 · 59 min

    #43 Steph Bruce on 20 Years as a Pro, Founding Picky Bars, the Stamata Project, and What Comes Next

    Steph Bruce joins Jacob and Rory at the new Run Flagstaff studio for episode 43 -- recorded six days after she and Rory both ran the Broken Arrow Sky Race Ascent. They start there, comparing notes on what is genuinely the hardest race either of them has ever done, and why neither of them were as prepared as they thought. From there the conversation opens up into Steph's full arc: the origin of Picky Bars, built out of a Eugene apartment with Lauren Fleshman and Jesse Thomas and eventually sold to Laird Hamilton's company; the NAZ Elite years and what that team did to change how professional running groups operate; her current role leading the Tracksmith Stamata project, which supports women chasing the Olympic Trials qualifier; and where she sees herself going now that trail and uphill racing have entered the picture. Nine Olympic Trials, a 15:17 5K, a 2:27 marathon, and she's still figuring out what's next. Honest, funny, and worth the full listen. Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at ⁠⁠⁠https://www.meteopace.com/redeem⁠⁠⁠ Code: OUTANDBACK ⁠⁠⁠https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACK⁠⁠ This episode is brought to you in part by Amazfit. Rory wore the Amazfit T-Rex 3 at Broken Arrow, where pace data goes out the window and elevation, distance, and heart rate are all that matter. Check out his full Broken Arrow race video on his personal YouTube channel here -- one of the best produced videos he's put out yet. Join our Strava group⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Buy merch: https://outandback.shop/⁠ Follow us: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Out And Back YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory's Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠SandyBoy Productions

  • June 21 · 1 hr 18 min

    #42 Listener Q & A - Broken Arrow & MRI Update

    NEW MERCH: https://outandback.shop/⁠ Jacob and Rory check in on what's been a rocky few weeks for Jacob's Achilles -- paratendon inflammation that's forced him to pull most of his summer road races and lean hard into cross training. Rory previews his Broken Arrow Sky Race Ascent debut, his first pro trail outing, and explains why he picked the climb over a longer technical race. They also run through current events: Time's Most Influential list snubbing Noah Lyles, Cape Town joining the World Marathon Majors, the Kenyan takeover of NCAA distance running, and that bicarb ad. Then it's a full listener Q&A -- 23 questions covering rest weeks, double threshold training, shoe contracts, beer mile predictions, podcast white whales, and the worst training advice circulating online right now. goodr: Upgrade your eyewear by heading to goodr.com/OUTANDBACK to claim $10 off your first order. Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at ⁠⁠https://www.meteopace.com/redeem⁠⁠ Code: OUTANDBACK ⁠⁠https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACK⁠⁠ Kava Haven: All the Buzz, None of the Booze — get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠http://kavahaven.com/outandback⁠⁠ Code: OUTANDBACK15 ⁠⁠⁠⁠Join our Strava group⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Buy merch: https://outandback.shop/⁠ Follow us: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Out And Back YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory's Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠SandyBoy Productions

  • June 14 · 1 hr 20 min

    #41 Brady Holmer - High Carb Evidence, Ketone, and How to Actually Sleep Before a Race

    Brady Holmer is back for his third appearance, which officially makes him the most tenured guest in Out and Back history. He's a week out from Grandma's Marathon, coming off a stress injury and a training block built around high bike volume, durability workouts, and progression long runs in the Texas heat. The conversation covers a lot of ground: what the research actually says about high carb fueling (and where the evidence gets murky), why the crossover point matters more than oxidation rates, gel selection and why he's cycling between multiple products, a new ketone IQ study showing a 15% boost in EPO production post-exercise, and what Nomeo is actually doing in the body. Then Jacob admits he spent race night at the New York Half taking Advil PM every hour hoping to knock out, and Brady walks through what the research says about sleep before races -- including why trying harder to fall asleep is the worst thing you can do. ZBiotics: This episode is brought to you by ZBiotics, a pre-alcohol probiotic drink designed to break down the toxic byproduct that builds up in your gut when you drink -- so you can have a good night and still show up for your long run the next morning. Go to zbiotics.com/outandback, use code OUT AND BACK for 15% off your first order. Backed by a 100% money back guarantee. Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at ⁠⁠https://www.meteopace.com/redeem⁠⁠ Code: OUTANDBACK ⁠⁠https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACK⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Join our Strava group⁠⁠⁠⁠ Buy merch: https://outandback.shop/ Follow us: ⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Out And Back YouTube⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Rory's Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠SandyBoy Productions Brady's training block and Grandma's Marathon prep Durability workouts: combining bike and run Heat training in Texas What the research actually says about high carb fueling Gel strategy, product lineup, and decoupling fuel from hydration New ketone IQ study: EPO production and recovery Nomeo: how it actually works (and what we don't know) Sleep before a race: why trying harder makes it worse Recovery modalities: red light, ice bath, and compression boots ranked Rapid fire: cross training, electrolytes, and pre-race caffeine

  • June 7 · 1 hr 16 min

    #40 David Roche - The Rules of High Carb Training, How to Train the Gut, Fatigue Resistance, & Training the Pros

    David Roche -- ultra marathoner, elite running coach, and what Rory's calling the godfather of the high carb revolution -- joins the Out and Back for episode 40. He started as a running back at Columbia, spent years coaching before ever being competitive himself, and broke the Leadville 100 course record in 2024 (and again in 2025!) largely by stress-testing the same principles he'd been building with his athletes. The conversation covers a lot of ground: how he thinks about carb intake across different race distances, why he separates hydration from fueling, the case for uphill treadmill threshold work, what unites his coaching across trail, road, and ultra, and why he keeps looking to cycling for answers the running world is slow to ask. David on Instagram David's Website Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at ⁠⁠https://www.meteopace.com/redeem⁠⁠ Code: OUTANDBACK ⁠⁠https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACK⁠ goodr: Upgrade your eyewear by heading to goodr.com/OUTANDBACK to claim $10 off your first order. Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at ⁠https://www.meteopace.com/redeem⁠ Code: OUTANDBACK ⁠https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACK⁠ Kava Haven: All the Buzz, None of the Booze — get 15% off your first order at ⁠http://kavahaven.com/outandback⁠ Code: OUTANDBACK15 ⁠⁠Join our newsletter⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Join our Strava group⁠⁠⁠ Follow us: ⁠⁠Jacob’s YouTube⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Out And Back YouTube⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Jacob’s Coaching Website⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Rory's Coaching Website⁠⁠ ⁠⁠SandyBoy Productions

  • May 31 · 1 hr 12 min

    #39 Between Reps - Ottawa Marathon Edition

    Olympian John Gay, host of the Shakeout Podcast, joins Jacob and Rory one week out from the Ottawa Marathon where John ran 2:14 in his debut and Rory ran 2:09 for third place to close out his spring season. They break down both races, talk conditions, pacing strategy gone wrong, a certain Prime Minister phone call, and a lot more. Also on the docket: the Bolder Boulder DQ situation, Parker Valby's return at Track Fest, Kipchoge's continental tour, the new World Athletics qualifying standards, and the US World Half Marathon team announcement. Stay connected with John: The Shakeout Podcast John on Instagram Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at ⁠https://www.meteopace.com/redeem⁠ Code: OUTANDBACK ⁠https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACK ⁠Join our newsletter⁠ ⁠⁠Join our Strava group⁠⁠ Follow us: ⁠Jacob’s YouTube⁠ ⁠⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠ ⁠ ⁠Out And Back YouTube⁠ ⁠⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Coaching Website⁠ ⁠Rory's Coaching Website⁠ ⁠SandyBoy Productions Timestamps 0:00 -- Intro 2:00 -- Ottawa recap, John's debut 8:00 -- Race conditions and why times were slower 14:00 -- Rory's race and the Mark Carney moment 21:00 -- The Prime Minister phone call, play by play 27:00 -- Bolder Boulder: Emad Bashir Mohammed DQ'd 33:00 -- Should Bolder Boulder open the pro field? 38:00 -- Cape Town Marathon and Kipchoge's continental tour 43:00 -- Should the World Marathon Majors expand? 48:00 -- World Athletics qualifying standards 54:00 -- Marathon pacing strategy (and a Chicago horror story) 58:00 -- Parker Valby at Track Fest, Habtom Samuel's NCAA record 1:09:00 -- Connor Mantz named to US World Half team 1:12:00 -- US Women's World Half team situation explained 1:14:00 -- Closing, hats shipped, coaching links

  • May 24 · 1 hr 8 min

    #38 Vinny Mauri - Untold Stories from a 2:05 Marathon Debut + Training with the Out & Back Boys in Flagstaff soon?

    Blue Collar Middle America Hero Vincent Mauri joins the Out & Back podcast from his woodworking shop after working a full days shift at the local running store. We know he's been on about every podcast out there at this point but we got him to tell some new stories and also discuss his future training and racing plans, hiring an agent, and trying to land a shoe deal goodr: Upgrade your eyewear by heading to goodr.com/OUTANDBACK to claim $10 off your first order. Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACK Kava Haven: All the Buzz, None of the Booze — get 15% off your first order at http://kavahaven.com/outandback Code: OUTANDBACK15 ZBiotics: Learn more and get 15% off your first order when you use OUTANDBACK at zbiotics.com/OUTANDBACK Vinny's Strava Join our newsletter ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: Jacob’s YouTube ⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠ Out And Back YouTube ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ Jacob’s Coaching Website Rory's Coaching Website SandyBoy Productions

  • May 17 · 1 hr 8 min

    #37 Molly Seidel - Marathons to Trails, Western States 100 miler, How to keep running fun

    Olympic marathon medalist turned trail runner, Molly Seidel, talks about her path from the roads to the trails. From the pavement to trail races to the high-altitude training that supports her quest for Western States, she shares behind-the-scenes insights you won’t hear anywhere else. Perfect for marathoners curious about trail running, road runners exploring ultra distances, or endurance athletes seeking fresh perspective—this episode opens a window into the future of multi-disciplinary excellence. MERCH: https://outandback.shop/ SPONSORS: Meteo Pace App Code: OUTANDBACK for 20% off Cure Hydration ZBiotics Code: OUTANDBACK for 15% off

  • May 10 · 47 min

    #36 - How to taper for a Marathon and How to Recover After | Shakeout Podcast with John Gay

    How to taper for a marathon, How to recover after a marathon & much more, on The Shakeout Podcast with John Gay ahead of his marathon debut. Kava Haven: All the Buzz, None of the Booze — get 15% off your first order at http://kavahaven.com/outandback Code: OUTANDBACK15 Check out the Meteo Pace App to be prepared for your next race Join our newsletter ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: Jacob’s YouTube ⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠ Out And Back YouTube ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ Jacob’s Coaching Website SandyBoy Productions

  • May 3 · 1 hr 10 min

    #35 Between Reps - London Marathon, 2:05 in Ohio, Has the marathon changed forever? Listener Questions!

    We try to make sense of the London Marathon, compare it to the Boston Marathon, Talk about the crazy 2:05 in Toledo Ohio and then follow up with some listener questions. Enjoy! Join our newsletter ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: Jacob’s YouTube ⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠ Out And Back YouTube ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ Jacob’s Coaching Website SandyBoy Productions Meteo Pace App Cure Hydration

  • April 19 · 1 hr 3 min

    #33 Ben Rosario - Running Industry Insider, Professional Coach and Founder of NAZ Elite, Race Director, Running Store Owner

    We sat down with Ben Rosario to chat about his life in the running world. From owning running stores, founding a professional running team NAZ elite, driving sponsorship into the team with Hoka, owning and running The Marathon Project, his best coaching memories and more. Ben shares his thoughts and opinions on how to make the sport continue to grow and tells us what his blowing his mind about the current current boom. ⁠Meteo Pace App⁠ ⁠Cure Hydration⁠ ⁠ZBiotics⁠ Join our newsletter ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: Jacob’s YouTube ⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠ Out And Back YouTube ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ Jacob’s Coaching Website SandyBoy Productions Check out our former sponor ⁠The Marathon Project⁠ if you want to run fast in December of 2026. Use Code "outandback" for an additional $25 off your registration. Prices go up on May 1st! Chapters 00:00 The Evolution of Running 14:13 The Marathon Project 25:56 Career Paths in Running 34:24 The Evolution of Running Booms

  • April 12 · 57 min

    #32 Between Reps - Boston Marathon Edition, Deep Dive into our Boston Builds, Will the World Champs Marathon be Successful? How Hard is it to Make Multiple US Olympic Marathon Teams?

    See you all at our Boston Shakeout Run! Saturday April 18th 12:30 PM @ Hatch Memorial Shell Join our newsletter ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: Jacob’s YouTube ⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠ Out And Back YouTube ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ Jacob’s Coaching Website SandyBoy Productions

  • April 5 · 1 hr 24 min

    #31 - Listener Call In Show, We answer your marathon questions and discuss all the hot takes.

    This week we have a Listener Call In Show, which is a new take on our mailbag episodes. 6 guest appear to throw us their questions and takes for discussion. Please join our newsletter and check out our YouTube Channels as well. The podcast will also be on YouTube as well as our normal podcast services going forward! Let us know what you think in the comments. Join our newsletter ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: ⁠Jacob’s YouTube⁠ ⁠⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠ ⁠ ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ Jacob’s Coaching Website SandyBoy Productions Thanks to for sponsoring todays show - check out our link for 20% off your order.

  • March 29 · 1 hr 19 min

    #30 Ed Eyestone - From being an Olympian to Coaching Them, Elite Marathon Training Philosophy, What's Difference in Today's Era of Running and Training

    Be sure to check out our show notes and sign up for our newsletter if you want the details on our Out & Back Boston Marathon Shakeout Run - we'll have some merch there as well! Today we are joined by the legend Ed Eyestone. Coach Eyestone has seen ever era of running from amateurism to super shoes. We talk about his running career, his transition to coaching, how he coaches the marathon, today's NCAA ever changing landscape, what makes Utah produce such good runners, and we also answer some great listener questions about his training philosophy. Join our newsletter ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Rory’s Youtube⁠ Jacob’s Coaching Website SandyBoy Productions Thank you to ⁠The Marathon Project⁠ for supporting this weeks episode. Use Code "outandback" for an additional $25 off your registration. Prices go up on April 1st!

  • March 22 · 1 hr 21 min

    #29 Phil Sesemann - London Marathon Training, Linking up with Alex Yee and Emile Cairess, Achieving the Olympic Dream + a NYC Half Marathon Debrief from Jacob and Rory

    In this two-part episode, Rory and Jacob recap the NYC United Airlines Half Marathon, breaking down their race performances, key takeaways, and how it impacts their build toward the Boston Marathon. Then, we’re joined by elite British marathoner and Olympian Dr. Phil Sesemann. Phil has already run 2:07 twice in 2025 and is aiming for a top 10 finish at the London Marathon for the 4th time in his career. In this conversation, we dive into elite marathon training, periodization, race strategy, and what it takes to perform at the highest level of the sport. Phil shares insights on marathon preparation, pacing tactics, and how he balances professional running with family life. We also go behind the scenes of training with some of the best athletes in the world, including Olympic gold medalist Alex Yee and 2:06 marathoner Emile Cairess, who finished 4th at the Olympic Marathon. If you’re interested in marathon training, Boston Marathon prep, elite running insights, or learning how the pros approach race day, this episode is packed with value. Join our newsletter ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Rory’s Youtube⁠ Jacob’s Coaching Website SandyBoy Productions Thank you to ⁠The Marathon Project⁠ for supporting this weeks episode. Use Code "outandback" for an additional $25 off your registration. Prices go up on April 1st! Check out our podcast sponsor CURE here:⁠curehydration.com/OUTANDBACK⁠