
Peak vs. Optimal Performance: The Secret to Sustainable High Performance | Rich Hua
What does sustainable high performance actually look like? In this episode of Middle Manager Mastery, I sit down with Rich Hua, former Chief EQ Evangelist and Worldwide Head of the EPIC Leadership Program at Amazon, for a conversation about emotional intelligence, purpose, performance, recovery, and personal growth. Rich shares his journey from believing emotions were a weakness to helping build a large EQ community at Amazon - and the lessons he learned along the way. About Rich: Rich Hua is a global expert in emotional intelligence, leadership, and innovation. As Amazon’s former Chief EQ Evangelist and Worldwide Head of EPIC Leadership, he built a 70,000+ member EQ community and developed the EPIC framework - Empathy, Purpose, Inspiration, and Connection. A sought-after keynote speaker, Rich helps leaders build emotionally intelligent, resilient, innovative, and high-performing cultures in an AI-powered world. Timestamps: 00:17 - From “Genius Robot” to discovering EQ 02:46 - Why IQ alone isn’t enough 05:03 - How one EQ talk sparked a movement at Amazon 09:53 - Finding your Ikigai 12:13 - Job crafting and creating more meaningful work 14:14 - Making a living vs. making a life 16:18 - Control what you can control 18:32 - Why recovery matters as much as productivity 22:04 - Knowing when to push and when to pause 24:28 - The power of “loving critics” 26:36 - The secret to long-term success: give yourself a break 28:46 - When a strength becomes a weakness 33:49 - Rich’s four-word life mantra: Learn. Love. Live. Give.