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Just Say No To The DSO

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Dentistry is experiencing an attack by well-funded corporations who want to own the work of each dentist’s hands. While the promises of wealth and ease DSO’s present to owner-dentists appear enticing, experience shows the reality is very different. Just Say No to the DSO is a deep dive podcast for dentists in all stages of their career. It is especially for those who are looking at whether or not the option to sell to a DSO is the right choice. Our expert hosts, Bob Spiel, MBA and Nate Williams, CPA, CFP take listeners on a step by step journey through Season One laying out the realities of selling a practice to a DSO and why this isn't as good as it sounds, or the only option for successful dentists to have a thriving practice. Come and listen for the years of experience inside dentistry, as well as medicine, that have led to their logical arguments and stay for additional audience and listener feedback.
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Let's start the discussion on how to save the future of the Dental Industry.
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  • Friday · 38 min

    Debriefing Dr. Whitney Weiner: Hype, Arbitrage, and the Icon Pitch

    In this episode of Just Say No to the DSO, hosts Bob and Nate debrief their recent conversation with Dr. Whitney Weiner, an influential periodontist and Chief Growth Officer at Icon. They examine her role as a polished DSO/DPO “influencer,” question...

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  • September 28 · 36 min

    Billy Madison Energy: Dissecting Chip’s Walmart-and-Recession Pitch

    Nate and Bob open this episode of Just Say No to the DSO by dissecting a recent email from broker Chip Fitchner that treats Walmart’s quarterly numbers and the next recession as proof every dentist should sell to an IDSO immediately. With a mix of...

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  • September 4 · 52 min

    The Fox in the Henhouse: Chip Fichtner, Fear, and Greed

    Bob Speil and Nate Williams open with the starfish principle—one doctor who doesn’t sell is worth the whole podcast—then analogize DSO dealmaking to Big Tobacco: a fortune in getting people hooked, almost nothing in talking them out of it. They take a...

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  • August 15 · 57 min

    Two Sides of the Issue with Dr. Whitney Weiner

    In this episode, Dr. Whitney Weiner shares her journey from private practice to joining ICON Dental Partners, discussing the motivations, challenges, and industry insights related to group dentistry and private equity involvement. We explore the...

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  • August 1 · 53 min

    Clawing His Way Back Out with Dr. Brad Langley

    This is a special Just Say No episode with a dentist who entered into a DSO and realized it was the wrong way forward for himself as his patients. Dr. Brad Langley recounts his tale of not only saying yes to a DSO but finally breaking free and finding...

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  • July 27 · 56 min

    Sticking To Your Principles with Dr. Stephanie Klasner

    In this episode, Dr. Stephanie Klasner shares her journey through the dental industry, her experiences with DSO models, and her insights on ethical practice and ownership. Discover how she navigated challenges and found success by prioritizing...

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  • July 6 · 24 min

    Tumbling Down In a Pile of Lawsuits with Dr Mike Davis

    In this episode, Dr. Michael Davis discusses the pitfalls of DSO affiliations, legal settlements, and the importance of ethical practice in dentistry. He highlights recent cases like Aspen Dental's legal issues and offers advice for dentists...

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  • July 3 · 51 min

    Did We Mention a House of Cards? with Dr Mike Davis

    This episode features Dr. Mike Davis discussing the complex financial restructuring of major DSOs like Dental Care Alliance and Affordable Care, revealing the risks for dentists and the industry. We explore the implications of private equity...

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  • June 18 · 32 min

    A Listener Case Study on Selling Your Practice

    As a dental professional, you may wonder about the implications of selling your practice to a DSO versus a private buyer. In this episode it's case study time as we delve into crucial insights on this topic, including tax considerations, the time...

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  • June 3 · 1 hr 2 min

    It All Starts Right Here with Dr. Brendan Gallagher

    We've looked at serveral dentists deep into their careers and gone over how a DSO doesn't really make sense...what about the doctor with all of the promise in the world on the very front of his career...does a DSO make sense there? In this episode,...

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  • May 12 · 25 min

    Now, The DSO Will Make Your Equity...Disappear

    This episode exposes the realities behind DSO equity and why selling to a DSO often results in less financial benefit than expected. There is a magic trick all DSOs are trying to pull...the magically disappearing equity. Nate and Bob dissect the...

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  • April 19 · 36 min

    Unmasking the DSO Deal: What Every Dentist Must Know

    This episode exposes the hidden truths behind DSO deals in dentistry, revealing how dentists are often financially fleeced through complex deal structures. Bob and Nate bring you their expert analysis to break down the mechanics of these deals,...

  • April 14 · 56 min

    A Smooth Voice From the South With Dr Travis Nixon

    In this in-depth interview, a blue blooded Tar Heel, Dr. Travis Nixon shares his insights on the rise of DSOs, legislative challenges, and how dentists can protect their profession through education and advocacy. Not only does Dr Nixon have great...

  • March 27 · 25 min

    Who Works For Who? 6 DSO Tricks Most Dentists Don't See

    This episode explores the six fundamental principles that reveal why DSO deals are detrimental to dental practitioners. Hosts Bob and Nate dissect the realities of private equity models, emphasizing the importance of maintaining control, understanding...

  • March 25 · 1 hr 10 min

    Sage Wisdom is Hard to Come By These Days with Dr. Michael W. Davis

     summary In this episode, Dr. Michael W. Davis shares critical insights into the private equity influence on dentistry, the risks of DSOs, and how dentists can protect their practices and patients. A must-listen for dental professionals concerned...

  • March 17 · 1 hr 27 min

    Away Game with the Orthodontic Pearls Podcast and Nate Williams

    Nate sits down with the Orthodontic Pearls podcast in order to give his take on owning your own practice and why to stay away from selling out to PE and DSO groups. It's a full panel lineup with Drs. Chris Teeters, Andy Sarpotdar, and Brian Anderson.

  • March 12 · 33 min

    The Emperor Has No Clothes

    This episode features a candid discussion on the realities of DSOs in dentistry, highlighting industry failures, ethical concerns, and the importance of dentists making informed decisions about their practices. Hosts Bob Nate share insights, stories,...

  • February 28 · 1 hr 19 min

    Right Up to the Edge and Back with Dr. Joe Feller

    In this conversation, Nate and Dr. Joe Feller discuss the complexities and challenges faced by orthodontists when considering selling their practices to DSOs. Dr. Feller shares his personal journey in orthodontics, his experiences with DSOs, and the...

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