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In Those Genes

The only narrative science podcast where genetics and Black culture come together to tell the stories carried in our DNA.

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  • S3 · E3
    July 29 · 37 min

    “I Trust My Body”: Giving Birth  While Black

    When Janina Jeff Ringo learned she was pregnant with her first child, she knew pretty quickly she wanted a home birth. People have been giving birth at home for time immemorial, so it seemed straightforward. What she found was anything but. In this episode, In Those Genes host and your favorite neighborhood Geneti-SIS Dr. Janina Jeff Ringo tells her story of pregnancy, home birth, and postpartum care. She traces how birthing moved from the home to the hospital, what genetics can tell us about the disproportionately poor outcomes Black birthing people experience, and how the professionalization of obstetrics decimated the number of Black midwives. . In Those Genes is an educational podcast that contains explicit language and discussions about pregnancy, abortion, childbirth, maternal mortality, medical racism, postpartum complications, and reproductive healthcare that may be difficult for some listeners. No worries, we got you! You can still get all the facts dropped in our cleaned transcript, affectionately known as The Nucleus, which will be available soon. . Want to learn more about the experts featured in this episode? Check out their work below. Dr. Monica R. McLemore is a nurse scientist, professor, and leading scholar in antiracist birth equity research, reproductive health, rights, and justice. Her work examines how research, healthcare systems, and public policy can better support the dignity, autonomy, and lived experiences of pregnant and birthing people. She is also the Professor in the department of Child, Family, and Population Health Nursing and the Interim Director for the Center for Anti-Racism at University of Washington. University of Washington profile: https://nursing.uw.edu/person/6239345-monica-rose-mclemore/ Instagram: @mclemoremr Nicole Deggins, CNM, MSN, MPH, is a certified nurse midwife, birth advocate, Black doula trainer, community educator, and the founder of Sista Midwife Productions. Her work supports Black midwives, doulas, birth workers, and families while challenging the historical and present-day systems that shape birth in the United States. Learn more about Nicole and Sista Midwife Productions: https://www.sistamidwife.com/ https://www.sistamidwife.com/our-founder Instagram: @sistamidwife . This episode is part of our 3-part mini-series on reproduction. It’s funded in part by the Greater Good Science Grant on Intellectual Humility, the National Academies' Eric and Wendy Schmidt Awards for Excellence in Science Communications, and listeners like you who donate to the show. In Those Genes is a Black woman-led, independently produced podcast funded by listeners like you. Every episode takes weeks of research, reporting, and production and we’re in the final stretch of producing Season 3. Help us finish the season strong by donating $5, $10, or $20 today! Patreon:https://www.patreon.com/inthosegenes PayPal:https://paypal.me/inthosegenes Buy Me a Coffee: https://buymeacoffee.com/inthosegenes If this episode resonated with you, share it with a friend! Follow the show so you don’t miss new episodes, leave us a rating or review to help others find us, and connect with us on socials. However you choose to show your support, thank you fam. We appreciate you! . Additional Resources: Sista Midwife Productions Birth education, advocacy, training, and support centered on Black families and birth workers. https://www.sistamidwife.com/ Black Doula Directory Find Black doulas providing support in communities across the country. https://www.blackdouladirectory.com/ Black Midwife Directory Find Black midwives and learn more about the different pathways and models of midwifery care. https://www.sistamidwifedirectory.com/ National Black Midwives Alliance A Black midwife-led organization working to honor the legacy, build the power, and amplify the voices of Black midwives. https://blackmidwivesalliance.org/ Black Mamas Matter Alliance Resources, advocacy, research, and community initiatives advancing Black maternal health, rights, and justice. https://blackmamasmatter.org/ https://blackmamasmatter.org/resources/ CDC Hear Her Campaign Information for pregnant and postpartum people, their loved ones, and healthcare professionals about recognizing concerns and listening to patients. https://www.cdc.gov/hearher/ Urgent Maternal Warning Signs Some pregnancy-related health concerns can occur during pregnancy or up to one year after delivery. Learn which symptoms require immediate medical attention. https://www.cdc.gov/hearher/maternal-warning-signs/index.html Birth — Birth Without Bias A community-centered platform where Black and brown parents can find and share prenatal, birthing, postpartum, and pediatric healthcare experiences. https://irthapp.com/ To learn more about doulas and continuous labor support: https://www.acog.org/clinical/clinical-guidance/committee-opinion/articles/2019/02/approaches-to-limit-intervention-during-labor-and-birth . Credits: Featured Story: Dr. Janina Jeff Ringo Experts: Dr. Monica R. McLemore Nicole Deggins, CNM, MSN, MPH Lead Producer: Sam Riddell Producers: Janicia Francis, Cinthia Pimentel Music Composition: Warner Meadows Theme Song: DJ Chopp A Lott Additional Music: Chad Mil-Ner Mixing Engineer: Kayden Wong Sound Design: Sam Riddell Booking Producer: Angela Sabblah Marketing Support: Danya AbdelHameid Cover Art by David Perrin Host & Executive Producer: Dr. Janina Jeff Ringo . Follow Us Instagram: @inthosegenespod Threads: @inthosegenespod Bluesky: @inthosegenespod TikTok: @inthosegenespod www.inthosegenes.com

  • S3 · E2
    July 14 · 41 min

    “A Portal to The Next Version of Yourself”: When Menopause Means Freedom

    For as long as Vena Moore can remember, she’s had painful periods. She started menstruating earlier than most, in fifth grade, and later found out that the years of discomfort and pain were due to fibroids growing in her uterus. So when in her late 30s Vena entered perimenopause – the pregame to menopause – she found the change freeing and firmly embraced it. In this episode, we dive into the science behind why Black people tend to start puberty earlier, what scientists know about the genetic and environmental factors behind fibroids, and how genetics may influence when menopause begins and how it is experienced. . In Those Genes is an educational podcast that contains explicit language and discussions about early puberty, sexual harassment, menstruation, reproductive pain, fibroids, menopause, asexuality, and gender-affirming healthcare that may not be suitable for all listeners. No worries, we got you! You can still get all the facts dropped in our cleaned transcript, affectionately known as The Nucleus, which will be available soon. . Want to learn more about the guests featured in this episode? Check out their work below. Vena Moore is a Brooklyn-based writer whose personal essays and social commentary explore race, gender, aging, relationships, neurodivergence, and the freedom of living life on her own terms. You can read her work on Medium, where she writes about everything from dismantling white male supremacy to proudly embracing life as a cat lady. https://vmoore472.medium.com/ Omisade Burney-Scott is a seventh-generation Black Southern feminist, storyteller, social justice advocate, and the creator of The Black Girl’s Guide to Surviving Menopause. Through storytelling, art, community gatherings, and intergenerational conversations, her work centers the experiences of Black women, femmes, trans people, and gender-expansive people navigating menopause and aging. https://blackgirlsguidetosurvivingmenopause.com/ Instagram: @omisadeburneyscott Instagram: @blackgirlsguidetomenopause Dr. Sarah-Ann Anderson-Burnett is a pediatrician and adolescent-health physician whose work centers on reproductive justice, health equity, and patient autonomy. Her insights help us understand puberty, menstrual pain, precocious puberty, puberty blockers, and why young people deserve a voice in decisions about their bodies. Dr. Anderson-Burnett is also the Assistant Vice President of Health and Wellness & Director of Health Services and Quality Improvement at Barnard College. https://barnard.edu/magazine/spring-2023/meet-dr-sarah-ann-anderson-burnett Dr. Veronica Gillispie-Bell is a board-certified obstetrician-gynecologist and nationally recognized expert in uterine fibroids and women’s health. She specializes in helping patients understand the full range of treatment options available for fibroids, including alternatives to hysterectomy. Dr. Gillispie-Bell is also an associate professor for Ochsner Health in New Orleans. https://www.ochsner.org/doctors/veronica-gillispie/ . This episode is part of our 3-part mini-series on reproduction. It’s funded in part by the Greater Good Science Grant on Intellectual Humility, the National Academies' Eric and Wendy Schmidt Awards for Excellence in Science Communications, and listeners like you who donate to the show. In Those Genes is a Black woman-led, independently produced podcast funded by listeners like you. Every episode takes weeks of research, reporting, and production and we’re in the final stretch of producing Season 3. Help us finish the season strong by donating $5, $10, or $20 today! Patreon:https://www.patreon.com/inthosegenes PayPal:https://paypal.me/inthosegenes Buy Me a Coffee: https://buymeacoffee.com/inthosegenes If this episode resonated with you, share it with a friend! Follow the show so you don’t miss new episodes, leave us a rating or review to help others find us, and connect with us on socials. However you choose to show your support, thank you fam. We appreciate you! . Additional Resources: The Black Girl’s Guide to Surviving Menopause A Black woman-led, queer-centered multimedia platform using storytelling, art, and community to normalize menopause and aging across the experiences of Black women, femmes, trans people, and gender-expansive people. https://blackgirlsguidetosurvivingmenopause.com/ Power in the Pause A menopause resource hub from the Black Women’s Health Imperative featuring information, tools, and perspectives created with Black women in mind. https://powerinthepause.bwhi.org/resources The Asexual Visibility and Education Network, or AVEN Educational resources, community conversations, and information for people exploring asexuality and the ace spectrum. https://www.asexuality.org/ To learn more about menopause and perimenopause: https://womenshealth.gov/menopause https://womenshealth.gov/menopause/menopause-basics To learn more about uterine fibroids: https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/uterine https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/uterine/conditioninfo/treatments To learn more about puberty and precocious puberty: https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/puberty https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/puberty/conditioninfo . Credits: Guest: Vena Moore Experts: Omisade Burney-Scott Dr. Sarah-Ann Anderson-Burnett Dr. Veronica Gillispie-Bell Lead Producer: Sam Riddell Producers: Janicia Francis, Cinthia Pimentel Music Composition: Warner Meadows Theme Song: DJ Chopp A Lott Additional Music: Chad Mil-Ner Mixing Engineer: Kayden Wong Sound Design: Sam Riddell Booking Producer: Angela Sabblah Marketing Support: Danya AbdelHameid Cover Art by David Perrin Host & Executive Producer: Dr. Janina Jeff Ringo . Follow Us Instagram: @inthosegenespod Threads: @inthosegenespod Bluesky: @inthosegenespod TikTok: @inthosegenespod www.inthosegenes.com

  • S3 · E1
    July 1 · 43 min

    “I grew up as a little girl and I'm gonna die an old man”: Reproductive Health and PMOS (formerly PCOS) Beyond The Binary

    ***UPDATE: In May 2026, PCOS was renamed Polyendocrine Metabolic Ovarian Syndrome (PMOS). At the timing of this recording the medical name for PMOS was PCOS*** Arrows Fitz lives a very public life. In 2014, he was a cast member on MTV’s The Real World and he’s since racked up millions of views online talking about fashion, androgyny, and his experience navigating the world as a Black transmasculine person. But behind the scenes, Arrows has quietly been dealing with Polycystic Metabolic Ovarian Syndrome (PMOS, formerly referred to as PCOS), a complicated hormone disorder that often goes undiagnosed. In this episode, we follow Arrows’s journey from puberty into adulthood and the years of symptoms that ultimately led to his diagnosis. We break down why puberty is a lot like the New York City subway system: kind of messy and hardly ever on schedule. We also dig into the role genetics plays in PMOS, the unanswered scientific questions about PMOS in Black communities, and why turning 35 doesn't automatically close the door to pregnancy. In Those Genes is an educational podcast that contains explicit language and discussions about reproductive health, gender identity, menstruation, fertility, and sexuality that may not be suitable for all listeners. No worries, we got you! You can still get all the facts dropped in our cleaned transcript, affectionately known as The Nucleus, which will be available soon. . Want to learn more about the guests featured in this episode? Check out their work below. Arrows Fitz is an artist, filmmaker, musician, and fashion influencer living in Los Angeles. He works for a nonprofit by day and makes rock music under his stage name PTEROS by night. You can check out his creative work, including his acclaimed short film "My Mama Wears Timbs," on his YouTube channel and follow his fashion journey on Instagram @ArrowsFitz. Dr. Sarah-Ann Anderson-Burnett is a pediatrician who specializes in reproductive health and sees her patients navigate puberty in real time. Her insights on hormonal development, PCOS, and patient-centered care were invaluable to this episode. Dr. Anderson-Burnett is also the Assistant Vice President of Health and Wellness & Director of Health Services and Quality Improvement at Barnard College. You can follow her work at @drsarahannab on Instagram. Dr. Monica McLemore is a birth equity researcher and advocate for trans and Black birthing people. Her work centers on reproductive justice for marginalized communities. She also holds a Professor position at NYU Meyers. You can follow her work at @mclemoremr on all social media platforms (except Twitter). This episode is part of our 3-part mini-series on reproduction. It’s funded in part by the Greater Good Science Grant on Intellectual Humility, the National Academies' Eric and Wendy Schmidt Awards for Excellence in Science Communications, and listeners like you who donate to the show. In Those Genes is a Black woman-led, independently produced podcast funded by listeners like you. Every episode takes weeks of research, reporting, and production and we’re in the final stretch of producing Season 3. Help us finish the season strong by donating $5, $10, or $20 today! Patreon:https://www.patreon.com/inthosegenes PayPal:https://paypal.me/inthosegenes Buy Me a Coffee: https://buymeacoffee.com/inthosegenes If this episode resonated with you, share it with a friend! Follow the show so you don’t miss new episodes, leave us a rating or review to help others find us, and connect with us on socials. However you choose to show your support, thank you fam. We appreciate you! Additional resources: Black Women Birthing Justice: Birth Justice and reproductive justice resources created by and for Black birthing communities. https://www.blackwomenbirthingjustice.com/ Birth Injustice: Pregnancy, Childbirth, and the State (2nd Edition) by Black Women Birthing Justice. Free digital versions available online.  Includes stories, chapters, recommendations from trans people who've had both births and abortions in the latest edition. https://buyetextbook.com/product/birthing-justice-black-women-pregnancy-and-childbirth-2nd-edition-original-pdf/?gad_source=1 The Power and Limits of Classification: A Trans Man's Medical Case Study. Lisa H Harris, MD, published in The New England Journal of Medicine (2019). A case study examining how medical classification systems can both help and hinder care for trans people navigating healthcare systems. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7395710/ . To learn more about PMOS (Polyendocrine Metabolic Ovarian Syndrome, formerly known as PCOS): ACOG (American College of Obstetricians & Gynecologists) - Polycystic Ovary Syndrome FAQ: https://www.acog.org/womens-health/faqs/polycystic-ovary-syndrome-pcos ACOG NICHD PCOS Resources Page: https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/pcos/more_information/resources NICHD Monash University PCOS Center of Excellence (International Guidelines): https://www.monash.edu/research/explore/research-impacts/health/polycystic-ovary-syndrome-pcos NICHD The Endocrine Society - PCOS Information: https://www.endocrine.org/patient-engagement/endocrine-library/pcos N Endocrine Society - PMOS Name Change Information: https://www.endocrine.org/news-and-advocacy/news-room/2026/pcos-name-change . To learn more about intersex health and variations in sex development: https://interactadvocates.org/ https://isna.org/faq/what_is_intersex/ To learn more about fertility, reproductive aging, and ovarian reserve testing: https://www.acog.org/womens-health/quizzes/having-a-baby-after-age-35. Credits: Guest: Arrows Fitz Experts: Dr. Sarah-Ann Anderson-Burnett, Dr. Monica McLemore Lead Producer: Sam Riddell Producers: Janicia Francis, Cinthia Pimentel Marketing Support: Danya AbdelHameid Music Composition: Warner Meadows Theme Song: DJ Chopp A Lott Additional Music: Chad Milner Mixing Engineer: Kayden Wong Sound Design: Sam Riddell Booking Producer: Angela Sabblah Cover Art by David Perrin Host & Executive Producer: Dr. Janina Jeff Ringo Follow us Instagram: @inthosegenespod Threads: @inthosegenespod Bluesky: @inthosegenespod TikTok: @inthosegenespod www.inthosegenes.com

  • June 19 · 2 min

    Coming Soon: The Genetics of Reproduction

    Three crucial moments in the reproductive lives of people with a uterus. One series exploring the genetics, history, and lived experiences of Black people that medicine too often overlooks. Join us for a journey through puberty, menopause, and birth and the genetics behind the stories our bodies carry. The Genetics of Reproduction begins July 1, wherever you listen to podcasts.

  • S2 · E6
    May 3, 2022 · 1 hr 4 min

    Baby Got Black

    There’s a commonly held belief that Black folks are thicker, bigger, and carry more fat than others…but where did this idea that our bodies only look a certain way come from? Join us as we disentangle fact from oftentimes fat-phobic fiction when it comes to assumptions about how our bodies are shaped. . In our Season 2 finale, "Baby Got Black", we dissect whether here is a genetic difference between the body shape of Black folks compared to other populations. Black women and men have consistent

  • Mar 9, 2022 · 9 min

    Blackletes Fact & Fiction

    This week we travel to 1989 to a conversation with Dr. Edwards and NBC news anchor Tom Brokaw and we bring in the science we learned last week about what role genetics has in athletic ability to this critical conversation about Black superior athletes. . Blackletes Fact and Fiction dissects the claims made in the NBC News Tonight broadcast, “Black Athletes Fact and Fiction” featuring our guest from last week, Dr. Harry Edwards. We use the scientific method as a basis to critique the claims ma

  • S2 · E5
    Feb 23, 2022 · 1 hr

    Blackletes

    Serena Williams. Usian Bolt. Michael Jordan. Some of the world’s strongest, fastest, and most decorated athletes are Blackity Black. Sometimes people chalk this up to genetics, claiming that this sort of extraordinary athleticism is unique to Black folks’ ancestry. Is there any truth to that claim? In this episode, we untangle what role genetics has in athletic ability and map out how Black Americans came to be viewed as superior athletes in the first place. . Blackletes explores the genetics

  • Feb 8, 2022 · 42 min

    A Tribute to Uncle Warren

    Oral history is such an integral part of our family history and our collective story as African descendents; without our elders passing this history to us much of our Black History would remain unknown. This Black History Month, we revisit an episode from Season 1 that features one of my newest ancestors, the late “Uncle Warren” and other elders in my hometown of New Orleans as they discuss their views and concerns about commercial genetic testing. . Bonus Episode - “A Tribute to Uncle Warren-

  • Jan 25, 2022 · 8 min

    The R&B Experiment

    It isn’t hard to point out the person in the room who is clapping off beat. But how can we use the scientific method to study why some folks are rhythmically coordinated and others not? How does one’s ancestry play into this? In this bonus episode, we head to the In Those Genes lab with neuroscientist AZA Allsop, MD, PhD to map out a hypothetical study using genetics and neurology that could help explain why some of us can catch a beat and others not. . Be sure to listen to the first part of thi

  • S2 · E4
    Jan 11, 2022 · 1 hr 3 min

    R&B: Rhythm & Blackness

    We all got that one friend that just can’t seem to catch the beat. And yes…yes, they usually are. But is rhythm really a thing you either have or you don’t? Are some of us just born with a rhythm and others not? Could this be explained by genetics? In this episode, we break down what rhythm actually is, and talk to experts who help us understand how neuroscience, genetics, and culture shape the conversation around Black people and our relationship to rhythm and music. . Episode 4: R&B- “Rhythm

  • S2 · E3
    Dec 30, 2021 · 1 hr 1 min

    Black Don't Crack

    After some time traveling, and understanding why we all look so different, it’s time we look at the age old question: Why aren’t Black people aging? Through all of the beauty products, and magazines that promote youth, Black people never really seem to age. It’s cultural at this point with its cornerstone being JET magazine’s 1970 “Black Don’t Crack” . “Black Don’t Crack” is an adage that assumes that Black people age slower. This episode addresses the genetics behind physical characteristics we

  • Dec 21, 2021 · 10 min

    The Future is Black AF

    How will humanity continue to evolve? Will our distinct physical features stand the test of time? Do we still adhere to social constructs like race and gender? Find out on this week’s bonus episode as we continue our journey from last week and head 15,000 years into the future with Afrofuturist Ytasha Whomack . . “The Future is Black AF” is a short mini BONUS episode that continues the journey from episode 2 with Afrofuturist Ytasha Whomack. One thing we learned last week traveling through all

  • S2 · E2
    Dec 14, 2021 · 58 min

    Black to the Future

    Race is a social construct and not a distinction we make in biology. But as humans we do look *very* different from one another. Shoot, family members that share the same genes don’t look the same. Why do we look so different? Join three time-traveling scientists on an afrofuturist journey through the ages to trace how climate, migration, and mating patterns over the last 200,000 years have created all the different hair textures, skin, and eye colors we see today. . “Black to the Future '' i

  • S2 · E1
    Dec 1, 2021 · 45 min

    How the World Inherited Blackness

    Is Race Genetic? . “How the World Inherited Blackness” answers a common question by many....."Is race genetic?" This episode takes the listener on a journey through time to understand how race was birthed and the history behind how race became a reputable (pseudo)scientific theory that justified an entire global system of oppression still used today. We leverage the genetics expertise of our host, as well as two Black scholars leading the field in sociology and anthropology, to dive deep into H

  • Nov 16, 2021 · 2 min

    Season 2 Coming Soon!

    In Those Genes is BAAAAAAACCCCKKKK for Season 2! "She Get It From Her Moma”, the official title of Season 2 builds on Season 1 and asks the central question in each episode- “Is it genetic?!” Six brand new episodes in this season will focus on understanding the origins of long-held beliefs about inheritance within the Black community that, in some cases, are and are not supported by genetics. For example, one of our favorite episodes, “Black Don’t Crack,” will explore prolonged aging and will

  • Sep 21, 2021 · 54 min

    Vaccine VERZUZ

    Hey fam! We're back for an unofficial release of a bonus episode for season 2 to report on Dat Rona! Unfortunately the virus is still here BUT with the rise of the new delta variant and misinformation running the streets we knew it was time for an update! So what better way to do it than in the format of our favorite pandemic event, VERZUZ!! In this bonus episode we will be talking about life with the mRNA vaccine (Pfizer and Moderna) VERZUZ life with the virus COVID-19. Every round is a diff

  • Jan 20, 2021 · 2 hr 3 min

    Intronic Season Episode 4: Trusting The Vaccine While Black Pt. 2 (IG/Clubhouse Live Cypher Session)

    Today we are airing our first Intronic Episode of 2021, Trusting The Vaccine While Black Part 2, a live community cypher conversation with Dr. Ashira Blazer and our family of listeners on Instagram and Clubhouse. . For those of you who follow us on Instagram you know we host an IG Live and now a Clubhouse Club Conversation that we call Community Cyphers. The purpose of these sessions is to further engage with the community and provide accurate information from experts. On most Thursdays we hos

  • Sep 23, 2020 · 43 min

    Intronic Season Episode 3 - SNP-its, Short Audio Stories by Biorocket High School Interns

    Hey fam! Today we are hitting you with another Intronic episode but this time from high school interns from the Biorocket Program at Genspace who used our show as a model to do some science storytelling themselves. We call their short audio stories, SNP-its, a play upon words from an acronym in genetics that stands for single nucleotide polymorphism and describes common mutations in populations. . Over the next 40 minutes you’ll hear four SNP-its produced by this year’s Biorocket interns. The Bi

  • Jun 30, 2020 · 21 min

    Intronic Season Episode 2- Dat Rona Update: Trusting Vaccines While Black

    We're BACK---well kind of... . This week we want to hit you with a new Rona update all about the development of coronavirus vaccines. This update is inspired by our fam on Black Twitter and the discourse popping up that’s claiming the vaccine will be created to intentionally do harm us Black folks. . Specifically folks who are weary of engaging in vaccine related research or even taking the vaccine when it’s ready because of our history with medical racism and exploitation in this country. . O

  • May 26, 2020 · 33 min

    Intronic Season Ep. 1 - Know Your Genes from American Origin Stories Podcast

    Welcome to…... the “Intronic Season”. During the intronic season we will be doing episode swaps with other podcasts that are closely related to our show or interviews from shows that I have been on. Some weeks we might just point you to a podcast to listen to, some weeks we might just drop some genetic knowledge on social media through our Henrietta Facts posts, and I will still be dropping that Helix playlist with new music that I am into during this time. So today we are doing an episode swap

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