
Climate Realism: Facing the Facts about Energy
In this episode I discuss the economics of climate change and energy policy with Professor Sir Dieter Helm, who is professor of Economic Policy at Oxford University. He has had a long interest in the economics of energy and energy policy and the links to climate change. He has authored several books on the subject including ‘The Carbon Crunch: how we are getting climate change wrong’ 2012; ‘Burnout: the Endgame for Fossil Fuels’ 2017 ‘Net Zero: how we stop causing climate change’ in 2020 and ‘Climate Realism: facing the facts about Energy’ 2026. I started by asking him about global warming and he stressed that the starting point is the increase in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere which has risen from about 275 ppm before the Industrial Revolution to 425 ppm today. It has been going up by about 2ppm a year and by 3ppm in the last couple of years and at current rates of increase is on course to double to 500 ppm by 2050. He argues that for all the talk about the transition from fossil fuels, there hasn't been one. They remain over 80% of world energy supply. Hydro, biomass, solar and wind energy all still remain bit players. And with the growth of AI and data centres the drive for more energy and more electricity is only going to increase. He points out that if the world economy grows by, say 3% a year, it will double in size by 2050: and that is likely to mean double our energy requirements. He is not a climate change denier - quite the contrary - but he argues that it is deluded to assume that we can easily transition to net zero. He says that it is pointless to talk about climate optimism or pessimism and that the only sensible position to take is climate realism which looks at the facts. He argues that there has never been a transition from wood to coal to oil to gas. We have just used more of everything and that for all the talk about renewables the big problem is they only form a small part of overall energy use. He is also similarly critical about the term 'net zero' is bandied about. He argues that the only way of Britain reaching net zero is by further de-industrialisation and importing more energy, like oil and gas, from abroad. He makes the point that national targets for net zero are largely pointless if countries are importing their energy and their electric vehicles and the like from abroad where they are made using Chinese coal or Chilean copper. It is global energy use which is crucial and British claims to be a global leader to net zero are simply delusional when other countries like India, China, the USA, Nigeria and Indonesia are burning more coal, gas and oil. Its a bleak analysis but a very important one. Hence the title Climate Realism.