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Stay in tune with our phenomenal world. Join us for explorations of science, art, history, and more. We're on a quest to find awe and wonder in all nature—human or wild, vast or small. Encounters that move us beyond words. Hosted by Marcus Smith, Constant Wonder is a production of BYUradio.

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  • S15 · E12
    Wednesday · 52 min

    Getting Lost on Purpose: Cal Flyn’s Search for the Wild

    In a Scottish whiteout, Cal Flyn lost all sense of up and down, then fell through the snow into a rushing river. It was one of the most frightening moments of her life, but it hasn’t stopped her from seeking out wild places. For her book The Savage Landscape, Cal tracked bears in Transylvania, hiked closer than she should have to an erupting volcano in Iceland, and climbed Mount Sinai alongside pilgrims from across the world. Listen in as she shares with Marcus Smith some of the things she’s learned about the places we call wilderness. Guest: Cal Flyn, author of The Savage Landscape: How We Made the Wilderness and Islands of Abandonment Chapters (0:00) Lost in a Whiteout (8:42) The Highlands and the Pull of the Wild (14:09) The Bears of Transylvania (28:40) Too Close to a Volcano (36:36) What Counts as Wilderness? (41:39) Mount Sinai and a Shooting Star (47:26) The Deep Sea and the Ineffable

  • S15 · E11
    October 28 · 15 min

    Movies That Move Us

    This week we’re doing something a little different. Instead of a new Constant Wonder episode, we’re sharing an episode from our BYUradio neighbors at “Voiceover: Movies That Move Us.” On "Constant Wonder," our host, Marcus Smith, chases awe in the natural world, in science, and in history and art. Movies can give us that feeling too, sometimes in ways that feel almost sacred and sometimes in ways that feel terrifying. In this episode, host Heather Bigley, a film scholar and former teacher, explores how film creates awe. She moves from “2001: A Space Odyssey” and “Baraka” to “Nosferatu” and “Omaha,” then into space with “Interstellar,” “Contact,” “Sunshine,” and “Project Hail Mary.” Along the way she asks what these films reveal about faith, mystery, mortality, and feeling small in a very large universe. Spoilers for the films discussed. Guest: Heather Bigley Find more of “Voiceover: Movies That Move Us” wherever you get your podcasts. "Constant Wonder" will be back in your feed next week. https://www.byuradio.org/voiceover-movies-that-move-us https://open.spotify.com/show/4QKTM1hB6u8Sz80zlNzPRY?si=73943b4d1f3c442b https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/voiceover-movies-that-move-us/id1814468656?i=1000798119864

  • S15 · E10
    October 21 · 54 min

    Milkweed and Miracles: Stories of Wonder and Metamorphosis

    A chance encounter with milkweed changes Allison Fragakis' life and soothes her grief over her mother's death. In this episode of Constant Wonder, Tennery Taylor explores how a variety of mystical experiences keep Allison's deceased mother close. Throughout history, butterflies have been seen as a symbol of change and rebirth, and Allison unexpectedly finds herself undergoing her own transformation: what initially seems like a failed attempt to cultivate milkweed turns into a source of connection and creativity. Guest: Allison Fragakis, songwriter, author, artist, and poet writingallison.com Special thanks to guitarist Cassidy Fragakis.

  • S15 · E9
    October 14 · 1 hr 1 min

    Gems from Constant Wonder: Lost and Found

    Hosts Marcus Smith and Tennery Taylor explore some of our favorite lost-and-found stories from previous episodes of Constant Wonder. Join Mensun Bound as he searches the Antarctic seabed for a ship frozen in time, experiencing the wonder—and perils—that Shackleton and his crew faced as they fought to stay alive in some of the harshest conditions on Earth. Follow Mas Masumoto as he reconnects with Shizuko, a long-lost aunt with an intellectual disability. Mas learns of the heartache of separation endured when his family was sent to Japanese internment camps. He also celebrates the joys and sacrifices of the caretakers who grew to love and adjust to the mischievous and lighthearted Shizuko. Finally, search with Pico Iyer who, after a fire takes his childhood home and nearly his life, looks for peace in simplicity and silence. He finds it in an old, humble monastery in Central California, where peace is a natural consequence of years of worship. Guests: Mensun Bound, marine archeologist and author of “The Ship Beneath the Ice” David “Mas” Masumoto, farmer and author of “Secret Harvests: A Hidden Story of Separation and the Resilience of a Family Farm” Pico Iyer, journalist and author of “Aflame: Learning from Silence” Chapters: (0:00) The Search for Shackleton’s Ship (13:42) The Breath of Shackleton on Your Neck: The Ship is Found (24:16) An Unexpected Call: Learning the Lost History of an Estranged Aunt (36:44) Throwing Coffee and a Joyful Reunion (47:06)  ”My House Burnt Down. I Can Now See Better the Rising Moon." (51:36) The Strength of Silence: Time Spent in a Secluded Monastery

  • S15 · E8
    October 7 · 52 min

    Why the World Throws Parties for the Dead

    After the death of a close friend, Erica Buist found herself consumed by anxiety about dying. In this episode of Constant Wonder, she tells host Marcus Smith how she set out to face that fear by visiting death festivals around the world, and found more celebration than mourning. From the Day of the Dead in Mexico to a rollicking festival in Madagascar where she gets hit in the head with a corpse, Erica explores the bonds between the living and the dead. She visits a cow festival in Nepal and the mummies of Sicily, and asks why Western cultures are so somber about death, and what we can learn from the carnival atmosphere of these celebrations. Guest: Erica Buist, journalist and author of This Party's Dead: Grief, Joy and Spilled Rum at the World's Death Festivals Originally aired August 31, 2022 Chapters: (0:00) Erica Buist and death anxiety (8:07) Confronting death close to home (16:31) Day of the Dead in Mexico (23:14) Gai Jatra, Nepal's cow festival (29:33) The mummies of Sicily (34:08) Love after death

  • S15 · E7
    September 30 · 58 min

    The Young Man and the Sea: A Scientist Ahead of His Time

    George Forster didn't begin life as a revolutionary. He was an 18th-century botanist whose life ended in Paris during the Reign of Terror. In this episode, historian Andrea Wulf tells host Marcus Smith about how, as a teenager, Forster sailed with Captain James Cook through the Southern Hemisphere and around Antarctica. Forster developed a transcendent love for the people he met along the way. And, as Andrea Wulf followed in his footsteps, she felt the distance of 250 years collapse on itself. George Forster grew up helping to support his family as his father’s assistant in botany and later on as a translator. When he got the chance to travel on a voyage to the southern hemisphere, he studied the wildlife and the people he met, fascinated by everything from phosphorescence to islanders' ingenious toolmaking. On his return to Europe, he brought new ideas about social equality, developed through observations of South Pacific cultures. Ultimately, though, his political activism led to his personal ruin. But to Andrea Wulf, Forster represents hope, progress, and the power of a singular mind. Guest: Andrea Wulf, historian and author of “The Traveler: One Man’s Quest for Humanity from the South Seas to Revolutionary Paris” andreawulf.com

  • S15 · E6
    September 22 · 54 min

    Climbing Giant Trees: How Time In The Canopy Inspires Awe

    Tim Kovar leads climbing tours high up in the canopy of massive trees. In this episode of Constant Wonder, he tells host Marcus Smith about how he used to fell trees as an arborist. But now, he's traded in his chainsaw for ropes and climbing saddles; so, instead of cutting trees down, he can take regular people high into old-growth canopies to experience unparalleled views of nature. The trees have taught him to be more in tune with the natural world and with himself. Tim Kovar has been climbing trees since he was a kid, when he pretended to be a master tree ninja. But these days, you'll find him climbing slowly and carefully, using a system of ropes and harnesses and always asking the tree for permission first. He quit cutting trees down after felling a centuries-old tree and hearing it cry out for help. Now, he finds a sacred peace up in the treetops, and helps others to discover it as well. Guest: Tim Kovar, Master Tree Climbing Instructor treeclimbingplanet.com

  • S15 · E5
    September 16 · 58 min

    64 Butterflies: The Day Behind the Day

    Lea Korsgaard felt a tug toward the natural world and followed it, setting out to find all 64 species of butterfly in her native Denmark. What began as an impulse became a consuming quest that transformed her understanding of nature, mortality, grief, and joy. In this episode, Lea and host Marcus Smith revisit the journey: the small tortoiseshell butterfly that connected her to her mother’s story, the family members drawn into her search, and the exhilaration of finding out that maybe her quest hadn't been about butterflies at all. Their conversation explores how learning to see the natural world can open us to realities larger than ourselves—and how encounters with nature can hold grief and joy at the same time. Guest: Lea Korsgaard, author of "The Butterfly Season: What 64 Butterflies Taught Me About Nature’s Great Mysteries and the Meaning of Life"

  • S15 · E4
    September 9 · 54 min

    Family Secrets: Nazi Grandfather Actually Aided French Villagers

    Karl Gönner was a Nazi, and his family didn't ask a lot of questions about that time in his life. In this episode of Constant Wonder, Gönner's grandson Burkhard Bilger speaks with co-host Tennery Taylor about his search for the full story of his grandfather's past. After growing up with only a vague understanding of his grandfather's dark history, Bilger decided to search for the full truth behind his heritage. He discovered that during his grandfather's time occupying a French village, Gönner saved dozens of lives from Nazi oppression, while simultaneously leading the Hitler Youth Program. This family's history is more inspiring than they'd ever suspected. Guest: Burkhard Bilger, author of "Fatherland: A Memoir of War, Conscience, and Family Secrets" and staff writer at "The New Yorker" Originally aired on August 8, 2023 Chapters: (0:00) Meet Nazi Karl Gönner through his grandson Burkhard Bilger (9:40) Karl Gönner as a teacher (14:20) A Nazi in occupied France (23:08) Discovering the "reasonable" Nazi (31:14) Gönner's daughter and her struggle with his history (38:10) The End of WWII (48:12) Serendipitous inspiration in classified archives

  • S15 · E3
    September 2 · 58 min

    Arguing With the Wind: A Spiritual Journey in Wilderness

    As a teenager, Walt McLaughlin told his parents he'd been talking to God in the woods, and he ended up in a psychiatric ward on Thorazine. Years later a philosophy degree had done nothing to assuage his existential anxiety, so he hitchhiked west — and eventually flew alone into Alaska's Endicott River Wilderness with a .44, no radio, and two-and-a-half-weeks worth of food. On this episode of Constant Wonder, the writer and erstwhile hiking guide tells host Marcus Smith how a death wish that had shadowed him since adolescence finally broke — on a rain-soaked escarpment, with a raven croaking at him from a branch — and how he came to accept that the world is harsh yet beautiful. Walt McLaughlin lives in northern Vermont, close to the New England woods and wilds he loves. There he's proprietor of the small indie press Wood Thrush Books, online at woodthrushbooks.com. This episode includes a first-person account of depression and a suicide attempt. Guest: Walt McLaughlin, publisher and author, “Cultivating the Wildness Within”; “Arguing with the Wind: A Journey into the Alaskan Wilderness”; and “Confronting the Unknowable: Essays on God, Nature and Being Human”

  • S15 · E2
    August 26 · 56 min

    Protecting Humans, Protecting Wildlife

    What if protecting humans is the key to protecting wildlife? In this episode, Dr. Gladys Kalema-Zikusoka tells host Marcus Smith how people living near African nature preserves can unknowingly pass illnesses to nearby mountain gorillas—and how she's working with local communities to shield these endangered animals from disease and habitat loss. As Uganda's first wildlife veterinarian, Kalema-Zikusoka pioneered the use of "One Health" in gorilla conservation—an approach that treats human, animal, and environmental health as interconnected, rather than separate concerns. By investing in the health and economic security of nearby communities, she keeps gorillas healthy too. The payoff is a thriving gorilla tourism industry that benefits the entire country. Guest: Dr. Gladys Kalema-Zikusoka, founder and CEO of Conservation Through Public Health and author of "Walking with Gorillas: The Journey of an African Wildlife Vet" Chapters: (0:00) Meet Dr. Gladys Kalema-Zikusoka (8:28) A Lonely Childhood (17:29) To Become a Wildlife Vet (22:46) Bwindi Impenetrable Forest (32:44) What is One Health? (46:27) How to End Poaching Photo credit: Jo-Anne McArthur / #unboundproject / We Animals Media Originally aired May 24, 2023 Note: Dr. Gladys Kalema-Zikusoka's mother, Canon Hon . Rhoda Kalema, passed away in 2025.

  • S15 · E1
    August 19 · 55 min

    Floral Revolutionaries: Plants as Planet-Makers

    Flowers, believe it or not, are nature's greatest revolutionaries. In this episode of Constant Wonder, biologist David George Haskell and host Marcus Smith discuss how flowers turned enemies into allies and used ultra-precise adaptations to survive an intensely competitive natural world. By exploring the floral connections that draw him closer to his mother and great-great-grandfather, David also examines how flowers have changed in just a few short decades. He makes the case for following a single bloom's growth and decay over the course of several months, and describes the benefits of keeping a floral diary—an easy way for anyone to become more attentive to the subtle turning of the seasons. Guest: David George Haskell, author of "How Flowers Made Our World: The Story of Nature's Revolutionaries" Chapters: (0:00) Meet David George Haskell (7:21) Searching for orchids with his mother (13:52) Glimpses of himself in his great-great-grandfather (21:56) Why are flowers revolutionaries? (31:05) Balancing cooperation and conflict (34:59) Tracking a magnolia bloom (44:42) David's floral diary

  • S14 · E16
    August 12 · 30 min

    On the Spot (and Spot On!): Great Impromptu Performances on Vintage Typewriters

    They are like street musicians, busking with words instead of instruments. Typewriter poets Kathleen Rooney and Allison Fragakis share with Constant Wonder's Tennery Taylor how they write poems-on-demand for complete strangers. Whether at a farmer's market, tucked between the stacks at a library, or as entertainment at a wedding, typewriter poets surprise customers with a keepsake that reflects unexpected insight into a stranger's life. (Or maybe it's a poem about a burrito! These poems don't have to be serious.) Kathleen Rooney and Allison Fragakis share their creativity and love of community through impromptu poetry sessions on typewriters. Guests: Kathleen Rooney, co-founder of "Poems While You Wait"; English professor at DePaul University; author of "Man Overboard!" and other books https://kathleenrooney.com/ Allison Fragakis, songwriter, author, artist, and poet. Her album "Pass the Dream" is available August 21, 2026 https://www.writingallison.com/

  • S14 · E15
    August 5 · 55 min

    River Rising: Jeremy Jones, His Old Farmhouse, and Hurricane Helene

    Jeremy Jones has loved exploring the Blue Ridge Mountains since childhood, and despite his world travels, his identity as a "mountain person" always brought him home. His family has lived in Henderson County for five generations—so when Hurricane Helene sent the river rising toward his old farmhouse, it threatened more than a house. In this episode of Constant Wonder, Jeremy joins host Marcus Smith to share what it took to rebuild, and how the experience reconnected him to his neighbors, his family, and a history in these mountains that runs deeper than he'd realized. Guest: Jeremy Jones is a professor of English Studies at Western Carolina University, and the author of books "Cipher: Decoding My Ancestor’s Scandalous Secret Diaries" (Blair, 2025) and "Bearwallow: A Personal History of a Mountain Homeland" (Blair, 2014).

  • S14 · E14
    July 29 · 51 min

    Shark Lover: Advocating for "Scary" Creatures

    Snakes. Scorpions. Sharks. From a young age, Rachel Graham has always been interested in marginalized, "scary" animals. In this episode of Constant Wonder, she and host Marcus Smith discuss how she embarked on her quest to change people’s mindsets about sharks—fascinating and threatened creatures that regularly fill her with awe. From being surrounded by a real-life sharknado to swimming alongside curious whale sharks, Rachel has had many peaceful, once-in-a-lifetime encounters with these megafauna. As part of her work with the non-profit conservation organization MarAlliance, she partners with local fishermen and coastal communities to protect vulnerable marine wildlife. Guest: Rachel Graham, Founder and Executive Director of MarAlliance Chapters: (0:00) A real-life sharknado (9:43) Mr. Facey the whale shark (18:16) The dangers of overfishing (26:10) Childhood nature adventures (34:47) Caring for hammerheads (45:03) How old can sharks get? Originally aired November 9, 2022

  • S14 · E13
    July 22 · 54 min

    Fiddling with the Heart: Gaelynn Lea's Fearless Sound

    Gaelynn Lea plays the violin like a cello — a technique she discovered almost by accident, one that would eventually carry her from a small-town orchestra to NPR's Tiny Desk Concert and, later, to composing the original music for Broadway's revival of Macbeth, starring Daniel Craig and Ruth Negga. In this episode of Constant Wonder, she talks with Marcus Smith about her unconventional technique, the unexpected opportunities it opened up, and how her songwriting continues to evolve. Gaelynn Lea was born into a family of artists, with musical parents and an early start in youth theater. But everything changed in elementary school, when an orchestra teacher encouraged her to try holding the violin like a cello — a small discovery that would shape the rest of her career. Guest: Gaelynn Lea is a violinist, songwriter, composer, disability advocate, and author of "It Wasn't Meant to Be Perfect: A Memoir." Photo credits to Mike Madison

  • S14 · E12
    July 15 · 1 hr

    The Wondrous, History-Shaping World of Parasites and Predators

    Dino Martins is an entomologist who finds beauty in every bug. In this episode of Constant Wonder, he tells host Marcus Smith about his passion for parasites and how a lifetime of studying creepy-crawlies draws on both scientific and spiritual knowledge. Dino Martins grew up in Kenya, surrounded by wildlife and the insects that feed on them. Seeing parasitic wasps colonize caterpillars taught him the value of paying close attention, and he can enthrall even a skeptic with the marvels of the tsetse fly. He winningly argues that parasites and other predators are full of wonder and worthy of our fascination. Guest: Dino Martins, entomologist, evolutionary biologist, and author of “Hidden Creatures: Luscious Leeches, Bashful Botflies, and the Wondrous, History-Shaping World of Parasites” Visit our Substack for a look at Dino Martins’ art! https://bit.ly/4eZekFN (0:00) Meet Dino Martins (8:34) A Childhood Full of Creatures (25:10) A High-School Dropout? (30:45) The “Ick” Factor (33:43) Coexistence & Control (44:34 Spirituality in Spiders (49:14) Parasitic Paradoxes

  • S14 · E11
    July 8 · 44 min

    Roctogenarians: Late-in-Life Comebacks and Triumphs

    Late-in-life debuts, comebacks, and triumphs. In this episode, "Roctogenarians" author Mo Rocca shares with Constant Wonder host Marcus Smith awe-inspiring stories of people who made major career pivots late in life. Yasmeen Lari was a famous Pakistani architect celebrated for her work in steel, cement, and glass. In her 60s, after a massive earthquake hit her country, she began to work with locals, building humble homes of adobe, mud, and bamboo. Painter Henri Matisse, debilitated by stomach cancer in his 70s, hung up his brushes and took up scissors to continue making art. And Disney illustrator Tyrus Wong waited until he was 90 years old to receive full credit for the revolutionary work he'd done on "Bambi." Never say it's too late to succeed! Guest: Mo Rocca, correspondent for "CBS News Sunday Morning," author of "Roctogenarians: Late in Life Debuts, Comebacks, and Triumphs," and host of the "Mobituaries" podcast Chapters: (0:00) What Makes a "Roctogenarian"? (3:32) A Revolutionary Disney Animator (17:00) Origin of Mo Rocca's Obsession with Roctogenarians (22:33) An Artist's Self-Reinvention (32:40) Paper Plant Specimens (36:13) From Modern to Humble Architecture Originally aired July 24, 2024

  • S14 · E10
    July 1 · 48 min

    Bulldogs, Pianos, And Praise: How To Be Swept Away

    Amy Leach is an essayist and musician with a penchant for improvisation. In this episode of Constant Wonder, she and host Marcus Smith share a worldview: one filled with awe and praise for everything from puppies to porcupines. With roots in the Seventh-Day Adventist Church, Amy has found a more expansive view of God and the sacred. Amy Leach is the kind of person who believes in finding what you're not necessarily looking for, be it on a walk outside or around your local Walmart. Since she was young, she's nursed a passionate love for music, but prefers to improvise over following a score. She tells stories of being transfixed by birds and bears and ibexes while looking for words to describe the indescribable. But most importantly, she finds divinity in nearly everything, even pickles. Guest: Amy Leach, essayist and author. Her latest book is “The Salt of the Universe: Praise, Songs, and Improvisations.” Chapters: (0:00) Meet Amy Leach (5:13) In the Thrall of the Violin (13:52) Spirit of the Music (20:31) Praise for Everything (32:44) Birding and Bearing (38:22) Serviceable & Mysterious

  • S14 · E9
    June 24 · 59 min

    The World Is Singing: Hank Lentfer's Life in Sound

    What does it mean to truly listen: not just hear, but attend to the world with exquisite care? In this episode of Constant Wonder, host Marcus Smith sits down with Hank Lentfer, a sound recordist and acoustic ecologist who has spent decades capturing the natural world's most breathtaking voices from his home base in Gustavus, Alaska, gateway to Glacier Bay National Park. Lentfer shares unforgettable recordings — a humpback whale trumpeting over a mirror-calm sea, barnacles whispering as a shadow passes over them, ancient air bubbles escaping from icebergs — and the stories behind each one. But this episode is about far more than wildlife audio: along the way, he reflects on hunting as a spiritual practice, our amnesia in supermarkets, the never-ending dawn chorus that circles the globe, and caring for a mother with dementia whose face still lit up at a Hank Williams song. Lentfer's memoir "Faith of Cranes" is the throughline, and finding the sounds and stories that remind us we are not separate from the world is his life's work and the beating heart of this conversation. Guest: Hank Lentfer, author of "Faith of Cranes: Finding Hope and Family in Alaska" Photo Credit: Taliesin Black-Brown Chapters: (0:00) Meet Hank Lentfer (9:56) Unexpected Sounds (16:37) A Childhood of Blessed Insignificance (26:51) Uramuro's Satisfaction (37:08) Hunting and Amnesia Factories (52:24) Several Awakenings

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