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Chaos and Creativity

Lou Lesko

Musician Kimi Recor and writer/director Lou Lesko bring you conversations with the outliers and outlaws of the creative industries.


Twice a month Kimi and Lou discuss the creative industries through the lens of their experiences and interviews with independent musicians, filmmakers, photographers, writers, and artists.


Chaos and Creativity is produced by Cheramie Johnson and edited by Alexandra Covey, with music by Kieran Kerwin.

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  • 24 episodes
  • fortnightly
  • Avg 31 min
  • English

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  • S1 · E20
    Dec 4, 2025 · 15 min

    Your Inner Creative Cast with Kimi and Lou

    Kimi and Lou explore the different “characters” we step into throughout our lives — the versions of ourselves that show up in different moments, relationships, and creative seasons. They talk about the parts of us that live quietly inside, the ones that guide our choices, and the ones we grow out of. Lou shares what he’s learned from writing a stage play and how storytelling forces you to meet all these inner characters. They dig into collaboration, what it means to step into someone else’s creative world, how to add to it, and how to defend your own vision while still making room for others. A reflective episode on creativity, identity, and the art of building something together. Stay tuned for more Chaos & Creativity on Instagram. And remember, always act a little cooler than you feel! Visit Our Sponsor BlinkBid, Bidding & Producing Software for the Creative Industries

  • S1 · E19
    Nov 13, 2025 · 29 min

    Jeff Burkhart: From Twenty Years Behind Bars to Tale of a Barfly

    Join Lou and Jeff Burkhart, award-winning writer, bartender, and columnist for the Marin Independent Journal, as they dive behind the scenes of Tale of a Barfly. Inspired by Jeff’s bestselling book Twenty Years Behind Bars: The Spirited Adventures of a Real Bartender, Tale of a Barfly is a story of life, love, and cocktails. It’s a riches-to-rags journey that reminds us all of life’s greatest truths can be found while watching the world from behind a bar. For over a decade, Jeff and Lou have collaborated on live, enhanced book readings performed to sold-out audiences at the Sweetwater in Mill Valley. Tale of a Barfly is their next ambitious evolution, an original play written by Lou and featuring Burkhart’s stories and spirit. A unique blend of storytelling, humor, and humanity, and a journey you won’t want to miss. Get your tickets now, they are selling fast! https://tickets.marincenter.org/orderticketsarea.asp?p=5236&a=455&src=eventperformances

  • S1 · E18
    Oct 23, 2025 · 18 min

    Bitchsode: Remastering Art

    Kimi and Lou are back with their well-deserved opinions in this week’s minisode or what we’re now calling bitchsodes. When Amazon quietly erased guns from classic James Bond posters, it sparked a bigger conversation about censorship, revisionism, and the strange urge to “remaster” the past. Why does art keep getting sanitized? Does censoring a movie poster really help anything? Lou and Kimi unpack it all, reminding us that erasing symbols won’t erase reality. Moral of the story: Bring back Napster... Stay tuned for more Chaos & Creativity on Instagram. And remember, always act a little cooler than you feel! Episode Links: James Bond Poster The History of Napster Movie: The Social Network

  • S1 · E17
    Oct 2, 2025 · 47 min

    Joe Ingham: Behind the Scenes of Development

    Lou heads to London to chat with Joe Ingham, an award-winning producer and filmmaker who works in development and production across both the UK and US. Joe has helped bring projects to life with Amazon, BBC, Sky, Channel 4, Paramount, and more, and his films Baby Lies Truthfully and The Microcosm. In this episode, Joe breaks down what “development” in TV and film actually means, taking an idea from its earliest spark and shaping it into something ready for the screen. He talks about the creativity, patience, and people skills it takes to make it happen, plus the importance of keeping an open mind and creating space for new ideas. If you’ve ever wondered what really goes on before your favorite shows or documentaries get made, this conversation will pull back the curtain on a side of the industry most people never get to see. Stay tuned for more Chaos & Creativity on Instagram. And remember, always act a little cooler than you feel!

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