Beat Your Genes Podcast

BeatYourGenes

Evolutionary psychology with Dr. Doug Lisle, PhD and Nathan Gershfeld, D.C.

Most psychology advice treats your brain like a broken machine. Beat Your Genes starts somewhere different: your instincts aren't broken. They're just optimized for a Stone Age environment that no longer exists.

Dr. Lisle - Evolutionary psychologist, former Stanford lecturer, and co-author of The Pleasure Trap - has spent decades developing frameworks that explain human behavior from the ground up.

Nathan Gershfeld, D.C. - trained first as an electrical engineer and then spent 14 years as a Doctor of Chiropractic. He brings a systems thinker's curiosity to every conversation. He mostly lets Dr. Lisle talk.

Topics include relationships and attraction, self-esteem, personality, depression and anxiety, willpower, the ego trap, and how pushy people exploit agreeable ones.

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S1 · E388
August 12 · 51 min
388: Why Can't I Let Go When He Sends Me Mixed Messages?
A listener has spent a year chasing a high-profile CEO who disappears for weeks, resurfaces warmly, and never quite commits. She knows the math doesn't add up, so why can't she walk away? Dr. Doug Lisle breaks down the evolutionary psychology behind why women will take a small percentage of a high-value man's time and resources over the full attention of an average one, using the "big fish" and "captain's paradise" framework to explain status, mate value, and the cost-benefit calculus running under the surface. Dr. Lisle unpacks the concept of women as two-factor mating machines, why conscientious people get stuck spinning in decision loops, and the exact move this listener should have made months ago to force clarity. 0:00 Cold open: the cost-benefit analysis of every mystery 0:24 Listener question: chasing an unavailable CEO for a year 2:31 Why women slept with JFK even with Jackie in the room 4:44 Proximal vs. distal reasons for our behavior 5:49 The Gray Shrike mystery and hidden motivations 7:15 Why 10% of a rich man beats 100% of an average one 7:47 Women as two-factor mating machines 10:10 How the Stone Age brain reads resources and status 14:01 Calculating a CEO's "fancy genes" and social capital 15:51 You're a "Plan D" prospect, and that's not nothing 17:32 The real reason he's "too busy at work" 18:16 How your mind runs virtual reality simulations 25:12 The fox, the corporation, and 2 trillion bits per second 25:41 Tracking probability estimates like a missing cat 33:26 The "adult sons" line: how he signaled false commitment 35:32 Male "true lies" and lowering her guard 39:00 A Captain's Paradise: living two lives at once 40:04 Why "Plan D" doesn't mean not fancy 43:50 What to actually say to hold his feet to the fire 44:42 Why highly conscientious people spin in circles longest 48:29 The real estate deal analogy: reducing the variance 52:56 Final verdict: it's time to yank the line Beat Your Genes is an evolutionary psychology podcast co-hosted by Dr. Doug Lisle, PhD, and Nathan Gershfeld, D.C. Submit your question for Dr. Lisle at beatyourgenes.org and it may be answered on a future episode. Subscribe: youtube.com/@BeatYourGenes beatyourgenes.org Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beat-your-genes-podcast/id1137772216 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6TsmRx1vmGL88ORlcXd3PV Doug Lisle: esteemdynamics.com Nathan Gershfeld: fastingescape.com X: @BeatYourGenes Intro and outro: "City of Happy Ones," Ferenc Hegedus. Licensed for use. Copyright Beat Your Genes Podcast
S1 · E387
July 22 · 33 min
387: The Black Sheep of a Genius Family
She grew up in a family of surgeons, a Google computer scientist, and a NASA astrophysicist, and she became a flight attendant who wanted to be a housewife. Now her genius-level family calls her the failure. Dr. Doug Lisle breaks down why esteem, not intelligence, is the real currency of human life, why some families are simply too disagreeable to invest in, and why you may need to build your own village instead of chasing approval from people who will never give it. Dr. Lisle also shares the personal, evolutionary logic behind why he takes care of his 93-year-old mother, and how "social ecology" determines the emotional tone of your entire existence. 00:00 – Intro / cold open 00:29 – Listener question: family of geniuses vs. the "black sheep" 02:22 – Life as resource acquisition and defense 04:09 – Why humans are the most social species 05:56 – Why Dr. Lisle cares for his 93-year-old mother (evolutionary logic) 09:28 – Esteem as the central currency of human life 11:51 – The four markets of life: mates, friends, trading partners, family 13:18 – Your emotional life reflects your "social ecology" 16:03 – Diet, exercise, sleep... and social ecology 17:19 – Why this family's dynamic is so disagreeable 20:21 – Relationships as Venn diagrams (the 1% vs. 3% rule) 22:12 – Every nervous system's happiness matters equally 27:24 – The verdict: disagreeable distance 29:08 – You don't have a relationship with "family," you have one with each individual 31:52 – Final takeaway: build your own village Beat Your Genes is an evolutionary psychology podcast co-hosted by Dr. Doug Lisle, PhD. And Nathan Gershfeld, D.C. Submit your question for Dr. Lisle at beatyourgenes.org and it may be answered on a future episode. Subscribe: youtube.com/@BeatYourGenes beatyourgenes.org Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beat-your-genes-podcast/id1137772216 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6TsmRx1vmGL88ORlcXd3PV Doug Lisle: esteemdynamics.com Nathan Gershfeld: fastingescape.com X: @BeatYourGenes Intro and outro: City of Happy Ones. Ferenc Hegedus. Licensed for use. Copyright Beat Your Genes Podcast
S1 · E386
July 10 · 45 min
386: How to Handle Bad Advice Without a Fight
What do you say when a friend or family member recommends horse-assisted coaching, family constellations therapy, or the latest protein fix for your problems? Evolutionary psychologist Dr. Doug Lisle explains why arguing back is like trying to pee up Niagara Falls, and what to do instead. Dr. Lisle breaks down the hidden motivations behind unsolicited advice, why every one of these exchanges is really a status contest, and how his Seems Strategy lets you exit the conflict without surrendering your integrity. He also covers why psychodynamic therapy is the modern equivalent of bleeding patients, the management principle that ends recurring arguments, the story of an executive who lost a major VP job by correcting a CEO, and David Burns' anti-heckler technique for defusing public status challenges. 0:00 The question: how do you respond to non-evidence-based advice? 1:08 Why advice only comes up in conversations that matter 2:29 Why you love music: the evolutionary tangent 4:57 The two real motivations behind every piece of advice 6:47 Where the culture's canned solutions come from (protein, the four food groups) 9:09 The more likely motive: esteem pressure 11:03 The question to ask before the advice ever arrives 14:14 The Seems Strategy explained 17:19 Why educating people is like trying to pee up Niagara Falls 18:30 Can getting stoned produce real insight? 20:02 Nathan executes the Seems Strategy against a real aggressor 23:44 Horse therapy, EMDR, and the bleeding-patients problem in psychology 29:19 When to drop the Seems Strategy and tell the truth 30:46 Nothing as permanent as the recurrent temporary 34:42 How one sentence cost an executive a VP job 39:06 Is there any value in being confrontational? 42:03 The anti-heckler technique that saves your status and theirs 45:09 Wrap up Beat Your Genes is co-hosted by evolutionary psychologist Dr. Doug Lisle, PhD and Dr. Nathan Gershfeld, DC. New episodes every other week. Submit your question for Dr. Lisle at beatyourgenes.org and it may be answered on a future episode. Subscribe: youtube.com/@BeatYourGenes beatyourgenes.org Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beat-your-genes-podcast/id1137772216 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6TsmRx1vmGL88ORlcXd3PV Doug Lisle: esteemdynamics.com Nathan Gershfeld: fastingescape.com X: @BeatYourGenes Intro and outro: City of Happy Ones. Ferenc Hegedus. Licensed for use. Copyright Beat Your Genes Podcast
S1 · E385
June 26 · 1 hr 12 min
385: It's Not the Men. It's Who You Keep Choosing.
A listener who knows evolutionary psychology well asks Dr. Doug Lisle a painful question. If men seem satisfied once they have food and sex, and never care about her inner life, is she fighting a losing battle against biology? His answer flips it. The problem was never the men. It was who she kept choosing. In this episode of the Beat Your Genes Podcast, evolutionary psychologist Dr. Doug Lisle and co-host Nathan Gershfeld work through two questions. In the first, Dr. Lisle uses David Buss research and his own decades of clinical conversations to explain why men will trade almost anything to get looks, why kindness outranks intelligence as the first trait both sexes seek, and why a woman who keeps ending up with men who are only three octaves deep is looking at her own evolutionary design, not a shortage of deep men. He lays out the piano octaves metaphor, the self awareness test sitting underneath the complaint, and what it would actually take to choose differently from the start. In the second question starting at 43:31, a 63 year old hyper conscientious vegan athlete is furious that her overweight friends are now thinner than her after six months on GLP-1 drugs. Dr. Lisle treats this as a problem of competitive status and esteem, not vanity, and walks through why losing a long held advantage in sexual attractiveness can land like an earthquake. He also shares his rule of thumb on drug side effects and why the wrong six friends may be the real source of the pain. Beat Your Genes is co-hosted by evolutionary psychologist Dr. Doug Lisle, PhD and Dr. Nathan Gershfeld, DC. New episodes every other week. Submit your question for Dr. Lisle at beatyourgenes.org and it may be answered on a future episode. Subscribe: youtube.com/@BeatYourGenes beatyourgenes.org Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beat-your-genes-podcast/id1137772216 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6TsmRx1vmGL88ORlcXd3PV Doug Lisle: esteemdynamics.com Nathan Gershfeld: fastingescape.com X: @BeatYourGenes Intro and outro: City of Happy Ones. Ferenc Hegedus. Licensed for use. Copyright Beat Your Genes Podcast
S1 · E384
June 10 · 1 hr 5 min
384: What Looks Like a Flaw Is Actually a Strategy
Why do some people freeze when they try to speak up in a group, while others jump in without a second thought? Dr. Doug Lisle says it is not shyness or a confidence problem you can train away. It is your nervous system running a cost benefit analysis on where you sit in a dominance hierarchy. In this episode of the Beat Your Genes Podcast, co-hosts Dr. Doug Lisle, PhD and Nathan Gershfeld, DC take on two listener questions. The first comes from someone who keeps saying the wrong thing or becoming the butt of the joke whenever they try to enter a conversation. Dr. Lisle explains why 1970s assertiveness training mostly fails, why personality is genetic rather than conditioned, and the one mechanical strategy that actually helps: asking questions instead of making statements. The second question is about a relative in her late 20s who will not stop talking about her exes. Dr. Lisle reframes the rumination as something the listener never suspected. It is an advertisement of mate worthiness and a status signal driven by the pressure of the mating clock, not a sign she needs to move on. Along the way Dr. Lisle covers the difference between innate personality and learning theory, why a resource sits behind every feeling, the paralinguistics of whining, and the vast variance in human personality that most psychology refuses to see. Beat Your Genes is co-hosted by evolutionary psychologist Dr. Doug Lisle, PhD and Dr. Nathan Gershfeld, DC. New episodes every other week. Submit your question for Dr. Lisle at beatyourgenes.org and it may be answered on a future episode. Subscribe: youtube.com/@BeatYourGenes beatyourgenes.org Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beat-your-genes-podcast/id1137772216 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6TsmRx1vmGL88ORlcXd3PV Doug Lisle: esteemdynamics.com Nathan Gershfeld: fastingescape.com X: @BeatYourGenes Intro and outro: City of Happy Ones. Ferenc Hegedus. Licensed for use. Copyright Beat Your Genes Podcast
S1 · E383
June 3 · 1 hr 9 min
Why Your Bad Moods Are Never Random
A listener noticed their kid gets dissatisfied after too much screen time and asked Dr. Lisle a deeper question: when your mood feels off, is it always worth analyzing, or are some bad moods just random? Dr. Lisle's answer is blunt. Moods are never random. Every one is your brain running a cost-benefit calculus on your relationship to your environment, and the cause is always there, even when it is buried under complexity or driven by something purely chemical like hunger, sleep, or hormones. 0:00 Intro clips 0:42 Why your kid melts down when screen time ends 3:34 Supernormal stimuli creeping in 8:00 The potato chip trap of one more video 12:38 Why nobody finishes an hour long show anymore 21:12 How your feelings actually work 31:37 Can you get better at reading your moods? 49:12 Can you become more introspective as you age? 57:00 When the cause is chemical, not circumstantial 1:07:36 Final thoughts Beat Your Genes is co-hosted by evolutionary psychologist Dr. Doug Lisle, PhD and Dr. Nathan Gershfeld, DC. New episodes every other week. YouTube: youtube.com/@BeatYourGenes beatyourgenes.org Doug Lisle: esteemdynamics.com Nathan Gershfeld: fastingescape.com X: @BeatYourGenes Intro and outro: City of Happy Ones. Ferenc Hegedus. Licensed for use. Copyright Beat Your Genes Podcast
S1 · E382
May 13 · 1 hr
Perfect on Paper, But Not for Me - Mate Value, Attraction, and the Disagreeable Personality
Most people assume mate value is a fixed, rankable number and that attraction follows logically from it. Dr. Lisle says that is the wrong model entirely. Mate value has deep objectivity across a population, but your personal experience of any given partner is completely subjective - and those two truths are not in conflict. The confusion between them is costing people real answers about their own lives. In this episode, Dr. Lisle works through three listener questions that all circle the same territory: how personality shapes our social lives, why disagreeable people struggle to hold friendships, and why a woman married to an objectively high-value man finds herself drawn to men who look worse on paper. He explains the mating search image, the leap of hope, mutation load theory, the mechanics of disagreeable personality in social settings, and why shy people consistently take what comes to them rather than going after what they might actually want more. 0:36 Question 1: Being disagreeable isn't something you can fix through social technique - and what you can actually do instead 0:58 The "generosity cologne" strategy: how material generosity offsets the social friction of a difficult personality 10:40 Dale Carnegie, sales training, and why interpersonal technique only works if your personality already supports it 22:35 Question 2: The shy listener's dilemma: why introverts consistently leave friendships and romantic opportunities unclaimed 38:55 Question 3: What "objective mate value" actually means - and why it does not mean what most listeners think 44:28 The mating search image explained: how your DNA builds preferences the way it builds taste receptors 53:00 The leap of hope: why attraction fades after a more thorough assessment of a partner's genetic code Beat Your Genes is co-hosted by evolutionary psychologist Dr. Doug Lisle, PhD and Dr. Nathan Gershfeld, DC. New episodes every other week. YouTube: youtube.com/@BeatYourGenes beatyourgenes.org Doug Lisle: esteemdynamics.com Nathan Gershfeld: fastingescape.com X: @BeatYourGenes Intro and outro: City of Happy Ones. Ferenc Hegedus. Licensed for use. Copyright Beat Your Genes Podcast
S1 · E381
April 29 · 50 min
When the Marriage Is Over, but the Mortgage Isn't
Most people think a marriage in trouble can be downgraded into a business arrangement to protect the house. Dr. Lisle says that is the previous investment trap talking, not your judgment. The four walls are not where the happiness lives, and the asset you are protecting is far less valuable than the years you would spend chained to a dead relationship to keep it. In this episode, Dr. Doug Lisle answers two listener questions that sit at opposite ends of the romantic life cycle. A 28-year-old wants to convert her marriage to a 40-year-old husband into a business partnership to keep the house they just bought. A 70-year-old hopeless romantic is troubled to learn relationships are transactional and wonders why the men chasing her are half her age. Dr. Lisle unpacks the previous investment trap, the real reason housing has become a financial trap, why every interaction is a cost-benefit analysis without being cold, the difference between lust mechanisms and love instincts, and why a soft flirty stance attracts casual mating strategy suitors no matter your age. Key question covered: Are all relationships transactional, and if so, how do you tell the difference between someone activating your love instincts and someone running a cost-benefit analysis on your house, your pension, and your car? Beat Your Genes is co-hosted by evolutionary psychologist Dr. Doug Lisle, PhD and Nathan Gershfeld New episodes every other week. YouTube: youtube.com/@BeatYourGenes beatyourgenes.org Doug Lisle: esteemdynamics.com Nathan Gershfeld: fastingescape.com X: @BeatYourGenes Intro and outro: City of Happy Ones. Ferenc Hegedus. Licensed for use. Copyright Beat Your Genes Podcast
S1 · E380
April 15 · 1 hr 7 min
380: You're Not Overreacting About Your Partner (Here's why)
Your partner's habits are driving you crazy and asking nicely isn't working. The common advice is to be more patient, communicate better, or just accept your partner as they are. Dr. Lisle says that's not a solution it's a non-answer. What feels like a simple annoyance is actually a specific set of social and biological costs your nervous system is calculating in real time, and trying to Jedi mind trick yourself into caring less won't work. The real question is which costs are actually bothering you and what the smallest targeted intervention is to address them. In this episode, Dr. Lisle breaks down a listener question about a husband's recurring habits — nail biting, nose picking, and elbows on the table — and uses it to walk through his full problem-solving framework. He explains grooming circuits and why nail biting is a Stone Age instinct, not a character flaw; how Esteem Dynamics explains why public manners feel like a status threat; why annoyance is just low-grade anger and anger is a poker game; and how to break a complicated relationship problem into its actual components so you can engineer a real solution instead of escalating to a tantrum that won't work anyway. 00:00 Intro/Question read 03:00 Nail biting, hair pulling, and others are grooming circuits, not anxiety 09:30 Elbows on the table: a different problem entirely 15:18 Can I generally become less annoyed by my partner's habits? 24:34 How to generally solve a problem 31:15 The manicure experiment/kazoo strategy 33:10 Psychotherapy is running experiments 44:08 Annoyance is anger, and anger is a poker game. How escalation works. Have a question for Dr. Lisle? Submit it at beatyourgenes.org Beat Your Genes is co-hosted by evolutionary psychologist Dr. Doug Lisle, PhD and Dr. Nathan Gershfeld, DC. New episodes every other week. https://beatyourgenes.org Doug Lisle: https://esteemdynamics.com Nathan Gershfeld: https://fastingescape.com Intro and outro: City of Happy Ones. Ferenc Hegedus. Licensed for use. Copyright Beat Your Genes Podcast
S1 · E379
April 2 · 1 hr
379: Why Your Partner Stopped Trying (It's Not What You Think)
Most people assume that whoever cares less in a relationship holds the power. In this episode, Dr. Doug Lisle explains why that framing gets it completely backwards. What people call the "care gap" isn't a power move at all. It's a signal about what's actually happening in the competitive marketplace both partners are operating in. Whether you're feeling the gap or causing it, the real question isn't who cares more. It's why. As Dr. Lisle explains, what's actually driving that dynamic, and what to do about it, depends on a highly individual matrix of mate value, aging, personality, and life circumstances. In this episode: · 0:00 — Announcement: Beat Your Genes is returning to YouTube. Subscribe at @BeatYourGenes · 1:52 — The care gap question: why does he seem to stop trying after the relationship stabilizes? · 12:30 — How mate value shifts differently for men and women after 40, and why evolution designed it that way · 24:15 — The love instinct, the magic 10%, and why Match.com didn't solve loneliness · 35:40 — What "caring less" actually signals, and what to do if you're on the losing end of the trade · 46:00 — The chiseling chip: the one vicious cycle Dr. Lisle says can sometimes be broken Key question covered: Is the care gap in long-term relationships inevitable, or is there something you can actually do about it? Beat Your Genes is co-hosted by evolutionary psychologist Dr. Doug Lisle, PhD and Dr. Nathan Gershfeld, DC. New episodes every other week. 🎥 YouTube: youtube.com/@BeatYourGenes 🔗 beatyourgenes.org 📩 Doug Lisle: esteemdynamics.com 📩 Nathan Gershfeld: fastingescape.com 𝕏 @BeatYourGenes Intro & outro: City of Happy Ones. Ferenc Hegedus. Licensed for use. © Beat Your Genes Podcast
S1 · E378
March 24 · 56 min
378: All's Fair in Love, War, AI, and the Marketplace
Q1: I am an artist and I will occasionally use AI for reference material. But I still sketch the image out onto canvas and then paint it all by hand. My issue is when other artists create AI artwork, print it on canvas and then maybe embellish the work with some paint and try and present the work as an original painting. There is one woman in particular in my neighborhood who does this and people actually fall for it. She charges very low prices for these quote unquote paintings. The people who buy the artwork are likely older and cannot tell the difference. I'm actually not sure how so many people in our community fall for her scam because, to me, it is blatantly obvious what she is doing. I know that artists are now selling online and globally so it shouldn't need to be a local thing. But I actually depend a lot on local sales because many people prefer to buy artwork to support artists in their community. So basically, what does one do when a fellow villager is cheating at your expense? 0:00 Teaser Clips & Intro 00:52 Local artist asks how to compete when others are selling AI art as hand-painted originals 17:12 Music innovation caused the Fall of the Opera House 31:48 There is no stopping innovation 43:22 What about other jobs being taken by AI? X: @BeatYourGenes Web: www.beatyourgenes.org Doug Lisle, PhD www.esteemdynamics.com Nathan Gershfeld, DC www.fastingescape.com Intro & outro song: City of Happy Ones • Ferenc Hegedus Licensed for use Copyright Beat Your Genes Podcast
S1 · E377
March 11 · 1 hr 17 min
377: Dr. Lisle ESCAPES Dubai … to talk about Acceptance/Commitment therapy
Q1: Dear Dr. Lisle, I am curious what your thoughts are on Acceptance and Commitment therapy? I am a psychologist, and I have to use this method at my job, and I have noticed that some of the points of the treatment is a bit similar to your method. For example the focus on committing to value-driven behavior to give purpose in life is similar to the behavior that brings us closer to our survival and reproductive goals. However it seems like the method see negative thoughts and feelings as something we should just accept as part of life, and not something that should guide our behavior in any way, and instead it says that it should be our values that guide our behavior. It feels like they got it right with the committed action, but it feels like a mistake to dismiss our thoughts and feelings like that. What do you think about this? 0:00 Teaser Clips & Intro 2:09 Iran bombs Dubai while Dr. Lisle is there 18:50 Psychologist asking about Acceptance & Commitment Therapy 27:00 Your values are innate including religious beliefs 46:45 Limits to facing the facts of reality 1:00:48 Psychotherapy basic principles are like friendships 1:13:14. The future of psychotherapy 1:16:03 Final thoughts X: @BeatYourGenes Web: www.beatyourgenes.org Doug Lisle, PhD www.esteemdynamics.com Nathan Gershfeld, DC www.fastingescape.com Intro & outro song: City of Happy Ones • Ferenc Hegedus Licensed for use Copyright Beat Your Genes Podcast
S1 · E376
March 5 · 56 min
376: He wants the physical, She wants the emotional
0:00 Teaser Clips & Intro 2:10 A little bit about Bitcoin 2:40 Q1: He wants sex, she wants connection 10:45 Females are defensive until they see love cues 22:25 Suspected key issue 29:15 Could it be a phone addiction? 32:50 Q2: Are people doing romance backwards? 42:15 Can I be happy without a partner? 52:16 Final thoughts Q1: My husband and I have been fighting about the same issues our entire marriage (18 years). He complains that I don't have sex with him enough or that when we do have sex I'm not into it (which I'm not). I don't want to have sex with him because I don't feel close to him at all. He works long hours at a stressful job. It is not uncommon for us to barely speak on workdays. He comes home stressed and tired so he spends the evening staring at his phone or watching TV. I have tried to explain that it is important to me that we talk or at least spend a little bit of time together every day, but he doesn't change. The only time he shows any interest in me is when he wants to have sex. I feel like we are stuck in a terrible loop, but I don't know how to get out of it. Q2: Many of the experienced and wise people that I know, say 50 and older AND wise, have realized that they DON'T have to be in a romantic relationship in order to be happy. In general, have people overestimated the need to be in a romantic relationship? Should our own individual happiness and self-reliance come FIRST as a required prerequisite in order to be truly ready for a romantic relationship? Are some people "doing it backwards" by demanding romance from the world, when they could have instead been happy for decades FIRST...when the RIGHT romance then happens to maybe arrive (partially because they themselves are now so attractive to others due to being so happy and self-reliant)? X: @BeatYourGenes Web: www.beatyourgenes.org Doug Lisle, PhD www.esteemdynamics.com Nathan Gershfeld, DC www.fastingescape.com Intro & outro song: City of Happy Ones • Ferenc Hegedus Licensed for use Copyright Beat Your Genes Podcast
S1 · E375
February 5 · 48 min
375: Am I Still Hot? The OCD-Like Anxiety of Aging
Evolutionary psychologist, Doug Lisle, PhD discusses listener questions with co-host, Nathan Gershfeld. Dear Dr. Lisle, This question is about coming to terms with aging. I know that being "young" is somewhat a relative term, but I'm a woman turning 35 this year and I can't stop worrying about my aging face and the beauty I'm losing and will continue to lose. I've always been a little ocd about my looks, but I feel that this relatively new problem is an insurmountable one. For me, a huge part of feeling good is knowing I look good. And knowing that eventually one day I won't look good is eating away at me. I'm constantly wondering, am I still attractive? How many years do I have left? Then I look at pictures of myself from the past and shake my head because I could have been enjoying myself instead of worrying. I really was attractive. I kind of missed out on those years because of these incessant doubts and fears. I have not yet done any invasive medical procedures like botox but am wondering if I should, since everyone else seems to be doing it. However, I'm also worried about the risks they carry. What I'd really like is to not to be bothered by my aging face, I'm hoping one day I just won't care, but my mother is in her 60s and still gets procedures done. I'm thinking my obsessions will get worse as I get older. Please help! 0:00 Teaser Clips & Intro 0:45 A little bit about Bitcoin 3:45 Listener is Coming to Terms with her Aging 12:25 Personality traits are on a Bell curve 22:20 Aging anxiety is normal and common 40:10 An interesting experiment 47:30 Final thoughts X: @BeatYourGenes Web: www.beatyourgenes.org Doug Lisle, PhD www.esteemdynamics.com Nathan Gershfeld, DC www.fastingescape.com Intro & outro song: City of Happy Ones • Ferenc Hegedus Licensed for use Copyright Beat Your Genes Podcast Psychologist mentioned in the show: Laura Bruce, Ph.D. www.PhillyOCD.com
S1 · E374
January 28 · 1 hr
374: Gloat Therapy: What to Do with a Defiant Child
Evolutionary psychologist, Doug Lisle, PhD discusses listener questions with co-host, Nathan Gershfeld. 0:00 Teaser Clips & Intro 01:20 Q1: Single mom asks for advice on dealing with her out of control son 13:30 Cognitive dissonance in a mom 20:55 Personality does not deteriorate 35:35 Gloat Therapy 46:00 Limitations of Positive/Negative Reinforcement 57:45 Final thoughts Q1: What is your advice to a single mom of a 15 year old teen male that is out of control and no consequences are changing his behavior? He says he hates his mother, wants to go to foster care, has a lot of anger. His father is not in the picture and has not been for 10+ years. He is refusing to go to school, repeatedly running away, is definitely vaping and using marijuana, uncertain about harder drugs, his speech is odd, using slang and talking in a way he has never spoken before. He has been arrested and is pending a hearing however any suggestions as to the best way to handle this? I fear once in the juvenile justice system he will become even more hardened. Are there any approaches that can increase the odds of helping him out of this? To add, until recently I haven't done the best job of consistently following through on consequences when he is disrespectful to me, doesn't do school work, or acts out of control. Is he just pushing back harder now because I've never stuck to my guns before? X: @BeatYourGenes Web: www.beatyourgenes.org Doug Lisle, PhD www.esteemdynamics.com Nathan Gershfeld, DC www.fastingescape.com Intro & outro song: City of Happy Ones • Ferenc Hegedus Licensed for use Copyright Beat Your Genes Podcast
S1 · E373
January 20 · 1 hr 6 min
373: I was in a Traumatic Relationship – How to Recover?
Evolutionary psychologist, Doug Lisle, PhD discusses listener questions with co-host, Nathan Gershfeld. 0:00 Teaser Clips & Intro 02:07 The Year of Dr. Lisle's Book 3:13 New Personality Trait? Tendency for Victimhood https://doi.org/10.1016/j.paid.2020.110134 30:30 Disagreeable with a few moving parts 41:28 Q1: Past traumatic relationship – how to start dating again? 1:05:20 Final thoughts Q1: How do I regain my self confidence after narcissistic abuse? I had an extremely emotionally abusive partner who would constantly call me fat even though I wasn't (I was 5'4 120 pounds). He would force me to weigh myself before every time we had sex and if I was above a certain weight, he would insult me and refuse sex. I developed an eating disorder because of this and got down to 90 pounds. Even when I was pregnant with our baby, he constantly called me a disgusting fat cow even though it was his child I was carrying. Now that I'm free of him I have regained some weight, and am a healthier 110 pounds. The problem is, I'm so traumatized by men and relationships that I am afraid to date. My confidence is lower than it ever was, even though, ironically I used to model when I was younger and have always been told I was beautiful, he ruined that. I'm 40 years old and I don't want to be single forever. What should I do? X: @BeatYourGenes Web: www.beatyourgenes.org Doug Lisle, PhD www.esteemdynamics.com Nathan Gershfeld, DC www.fastingescape.com Intro & outro song: City of Happy Ones • Ferenc Hegedus Licensed for use Copyright Beat Your Genes Podcast
S1 · E372
January 20 · 50 min
372: Love, Lust, Lies & Lost Motivation
Evolutionary psychologist, Doug Lisle, PhD discusses listener questions with co-host, Nathan Gershfeld. 0:00 Teaser Clips & Intro 01:45 Q1: Dating broke, unmotivated men in my 70's 13:40 Q2: Reparations: Trade, Force, or Fraud? 28:10 Q3: Daughter likes Bad Boys, but Mom and Dad want her to date the Dull Nice Guys 38:23 Q4: Searching for Spark After Lifelong Apathy 49:00 Final thoughts Q1: How does a woman in her early 70s, who is neither broke nor retired and also engaged in several creative projects, feel good about dating a similar-aged man (both single of course), who is broke, retired, and has no outside interests other than her? I realize that many people at this stage are on SS# but when I was growing up, the man paid for dinner, etc. I can't help but not be attracted to a man who asks me to split or pay the whole bill. On the same hand I would feel bad even letting him pay if he were to try (which he hasn't) as i know he doesnt have it. I know this comes off as "entitled" but the question still remains, how does an older widowed or divorced woman, used to a man being a man (gallant )navigate the reality of older broke couch potatoes which seems to be all that is left in the older male dating pool? (I know this sounds terrible but I do lose respect for men who seem to be looking for a free ride and a recreation director). Q2: In Episode 319 Dr Lisle talks about the various way animals go about getting resources: with their own hands, trade, force or fraud. I live in a country which had an indigenous people here before the Europeans arrived and settled here over 200 years ago. Many reparations have been made to the descendants of the original indigenous people in the form of land and money, but there is an ongoing, building movement to acquire more reparations and more acknowlegement for colonisation. It seems as if there is no way for the people of today to ever repay the 'wrongs' of the past. I'm trying to work out which way of getting resources this is. Is it in the end, just fraud? Q3: One of our daughters is 30 years old. My wife and I suspect she typically falls for bad guys: self-assured, sometimes a little bit dominant and narcissistic. She has great fun with them for a while. Then their bad behavior such as aggression shows up. Since two years, she has a nice boyfriend: not dominant, very considerate, and with a lot of matches: like her he likes traveling, listening to music, having deep discussions. However, she doubts the relationship, mainly because being at home with him is considered 'dull' by her. She sometimes would like him to be more dominant and decisive. He seems not so self-assured and she claims this makes her less self-assured too. She would like to have children and thinks he would make a great father, but she really finds their relationship dull and feels not a lot of physical attraction anymore. How would Dr. Lisle decide whether he would advise her to lower her expectations (he has a lot of plusses) of whether he would advise her to break up with him? What information or criteria would make him giving advice in one or the other direction? Q4: Dear Dr. Lisle, I feel like I'm finding it really hard to be motivated by anything in life, including relationships, career/success, helping others, food, resources, etc. When analyzing my past, I feel like I've always been this way - very unmotivated and non-competitive. However, the one thing that motivated me when I was young was the fear of getting in trouble or people being upset with me. Now that I'm a middle aged adult, I care a lot less about people being upset with me and so I'm just trudging through life and feeling pretty flat. The only thing I can think of is that I have a pretty nihilistic point of view. I remember the first time I really contemplated death on a deep level (I was around 7) and since then I feel like I've always been followed by a voice that says "what's the point of wasting energy, you and everyone you know will all be dead soon." I want to desire things and live life to the fullest, but I feel like my motivation and happy chemicals are somehow offline. Just to give some additional context - I am a pretty emotionally sensitive woman and when I do get sparks of motivation or awe, it feels really good - it just doesn't happen very often. I can't tell if there's something chemically wrong with me or if I've just developed a really negative outlook on life because of this one instance when I was 7. Any insights or hacks would be appreciated. (Also thanks for all that you do. I've really appreciated your thoughts over the years) X: @BeatYourGenes Web: www.beatyourgenes.org Doug Lisle, PhD www.esteemdynamics.com Nathan Gershfeld, DC www.fastingescape.com Intro & outro song: City of Happy Ones • Ferenc Hegedus Licensed for use Copyright Beat Your Genes Podcast
S1 · E371
Dec 11, 2025 · 1 hr 7 min
371: Evo Psych Didn't Ruin Anything, You're Just Focused on the Scary Part
0:00 Teaser Clips & Intro 02:42 Q1: Listener struggles with finding meaning and motivation after embracing an evolutionary-psychology worldview that feels deterministic and uncomfortable. 7:03 The start of psychotherapy 17:00 Life problems are competitive 33:10 You're not better off not knowing about human nature 49:07 Everybody knows the truth, deep down 1:05:04 Final thoughts Q1: This podcast has ruined my life. Well, not exactly, but it certainly hasn't helped. Yet, like passing a car crash, I cannot look away. My desire to understand the true nature of our existence seems to supersede the delusions that I might otherwise be comfortable with. With each episode comes a new insight that I previously wouldn't have had swimming around in my head, but I'm still enamored with the biological and philosophical implications of Dr. Lisle's approach to our evolution. But because these ideas are uncomfortable, they tend to put me in a place socially, and even in my own head, that isn't exactly producing satisfaction. I have always been afflicted with the idea that, much like buying into a religion, accepting the fantasies that we humans have constructed to deal with these hard truths would lead to a happier existence. Yet, I can not unknow or unthink these things. If I never had listened to this podcast, I might consider therapy, or medication management for my angst, and maybe they would have helped me a certain percentage, but now I am fully on board with Dr. Lisle's approach and know deep down his are the only real answers to life's modern problems. Even though there's still a small part of me that questions how immutable his advice seems, I can not steer myself into a satisfactory mindset. Unfortunately, all of this has caused me to devolve into somewhat of a determinist, referencing Dr. Lisle in life's modern struggles when one of these so-called, maladaptive behaviors (e.g. irritability, anxiety, hyper-vigilance, lack of satisfaction no matter how good life seems to be, etc.) arises leading me to simply ask myself, "why bother taking action if this is how I'm wired." So my question is, how can I find purpose and meaning while still maintaining intellectual honesty in this complicated world when manipulating my environment and the people around me isn't exactly the most practical thing to accomplish? X: @BeatYourGenes Web: www.beatyourgenes.org Doug Lisle, PhD www.esteemdynamics.com Nathan Gershfeld, DC www.fastingescape.com Intro & outro song: City of Happy Ones • Ferenc Hegedus Licensed for use Copyright Beat Your Genes Podcast
S1 · E370
Nov 19, 2025 · 57 min
370: Chasing vs. Coasting: Why the Dynamics Change for Both Sexes
Evolutionary psychologist, Doug Lisle, PhD discusses listener questions with co-host, Nathan Gershfeld. 0:00 Teaser Clips & Intro 01:51 Q1: Are men destined to hold more power in relationships due to women being the higher investment party? 09:23 What are relationships? 18:08 Are women the only ones who need affirmation & esteem signals? 34:30 What do we need in a relationship? 46:32 The only hope for a dying relationship Q1: Are men destined to hold more power in relationships, aka in a position of power, because women are always the higher investment party? In my experience with a few long-term relationships, the men stopped caring for and investing in my emotional well-being after the initial phase of chasing and courting. They're nice, hardworking, and sincere, but I no longer receive the esteem signals and affirmation that women often need, especially after having kids, since they know I'm not going anywhere. Am I asking for too much? Should I just be happy knowing he's a good provider of resources? X: @BeatYourGenes Web: www.beatyourgenes.org Doug Lisle, PhD www.esteemdynamics.com Nathan Gershfeld, DC www.fastingescape.com Intro & outro song: City of Happy Ones • Ferenc Hegedus Licensed for use Copyright Beat Your Genes Podcast
S1 · E369
Nov 6, 2025 · 47 min
369: Love - The Glue Between Anxious Women and Wandering Men
Evolutionary psychologist, Doug Lisle, PhD discusses listener questions with co-host, Nathan Gershfeld. 0:00 Teaser Clips & Intro 02:25 Q1: When Neuroticism Sees the Breakup Coming Before He Does 11:25 Small Adjustments vs Sudden shifts 20:30 Analyzing key parameters 36:20 Q2: Pair Bonding: Nature's Anti-Chippy Software Update 45:15 Final thoughts Q1: I am a female scoring high on the vulnerability dimension of neuroticism on the Big 5 assessment. I have always left partners first when I felt any kind of instability in the relationship or felt they weren't completely into me. I married my husband who had been my friend for years and knew he was stable and completely into me, this was comforting and we have been married for 13 years. Just knowing that men naturally value women who are fertile scares me when thinking about our future together when I am 45 and up (I am currently 35)- he scores very low in openness and expresses his contentment for our relationship, seems to value me, but I am also going to be legally blind in older age. However, I'm setting myself up to be able to continue earning an income and I am involved in social activities and hobbies on my own. I find myself wanting to leave and establish my own apartment when my younger daughter is a teenager, just so I can avoid any future problems in my relationship with him. It's like with evo psych I can see the future that he will not value me and I just don't want to ever experience that (thanks, neuroticism :( ) I would appreciate any insight and advice about this! If I bring this up to my husband he just says "what a narrow view of the world you have". Q2: I don't understand wife, wife, wife, chippy from an evolutionary psychology standpoint. If everything comes down to reproduction and pair bonding didn't exist in the stone age, wouldn't it just be chippy, chippy, chippy, chippy? Didn't the chiefs and best hunters just sleep with as many females as they chose? I know that traditionally men had harems, slaves, concubines and multiple wives, with the men sleeping with multiple females at the same time without commitment. What changed to create the wife relationship or pair bonding in the first place? X: @BeatYourGenes Web: www.beatyourgenes.org Doug Lisle, PhD www.esteemdynamics.com Nathan Gershfeld, DC www.fastingescape.com Intro & outro song: City of Happy Ones • Ferenc Hegedus Licensed for use Copyright Beat Your Genes Podcast Become Binge Free Course by Justina Froese https://justinafroese.com/become-binge-free/ Participants will have long-term access. It includes 100+ lectures, a community, social eating solutions, over 10+ hours of video content, recipes, and more—literally everything about recovering from binge eating. It's like a binge eating library that will be updated whenever there's something new and valuable to share.

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