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Working Towards Nine

Women Lawyers Association of Michigan

Welcome to Working Towards Nine, a podcast that strives to secure the full and equal participation of women in the legal profession, produced by the Women Lawyers Association of Michigan.

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  • Wednesday · 44 min

    She Was Here: Why Women Lawyers Must Tell Their Stories

    In this episode of the Working Towards Nine Podcast, WLAM President Kirsten Silwanowicz is joined by Beth Wilensky, Clinical Professor of Law at the University of Michigan Law School, for a thoughtful conversation about the power of storytelling—especially for women lawyers. Stories do more than entertain. They help us connect, persuade, remember, and make meaning of our experiences. Beth explains why our brains naturally respond to narrative and offers practical guidance for discovering, shaping, and sharing the stories that only we can tell. Together, Kirsten and Beth explore the habits lawyers may need to unlearn to become more effective storytellers. Legal training teaches attorneys to be comprehensive, precise, and emotionally detached—but a powerful personal story often requires strategic selection, vulnerability, and the courage to place ourselves back into the narrative. The conversation also examines why preserving women’s stories matters. When women share their experiences—including the difficult, overlooked, or historically excluded ones—they create connection, reclaim history, and make space for others to recognize the value of their own voices. Key Takeaways Listen to your inner voice. The story that continues to surface—or the experience you keep returning to—may be the one asking to be explored. Write before deciding whether to share. Crafting a story can reveal new meaning, even if the story ultimately remains private. Do not default to strict chronology. Consider beginning with the moment that creates the strongest curiosity, tension, or emotional connection. Choose details intentionally. The most specific details often make a story feel the most universal. Resist the lawyer’s instinct to include everything. Effective storytelling requires thoughtful selection, not exhaustive recitation. Put yourself back into your story. Lawyers are trained to create distance and focus on others. Personal storytelling asks us to acknowledge our own perspective, emotions, and transformation. Treat another person’s story with care. Telling someone else’s story is both a privilege and a responsibility—one that closely parallels the lawyer’s role in representing a client. Seek out the voices that history has overlooked. Preserving women’s stories requires active listening and a willingness to find stories across generations, backgrounds, and communities. Resources Mentioned • Nieman Storyboard: A terrific resource for learning the craft of narrative. • AIDS in the Heartland by Jacqui Banaszynski. • The more specific, the more universal: A Nieman Storyboard analysis of “AIDS in the Heartland” and the ladder of abstraction. • What Bobby McIlvaine Left Behind by Jennifer Senior in The Atlantic. • Tracking shards of grief for 20 years — and daring to love your story subjects: A Nieman Storyboard interview with Jennifer Senior about “What Bobby McIlvaine Left Behind.” • Inside the Box by Drew Boyd and Jacob Goldenberg. • A Swim in a Pond in the Rain by George Saunders. • The Moth: Stories, performances, and resources devoted to the art and craft of storytelling. Continue the Story WLAM will continue exploring the power of women’s stories through its Tell Her Story theme, including a Story Slam at the upcoming WLAM Leadership Retreat and future opportunities for members to share, preserve, and celebrate their experiences. Your story does not need to be dramatic, polished, or complete to matter. Begin by writing it down. Listen for the meaning beneath the events. Then, when you are ready, consider who may need to hear it. Learn more about Beth Wilensky here: https://michigan.law.umich.edu/faculty-and-scholarship/our-faculty/beth-h-wilensky To learn more about WLAM and upcoming programs, visit www.womenlawyers.org.

  • March 11 · 43 min

    Michigan’s CON-CON 11: Women and State Constitution Making in 1961

    In this episode, Nicole M. Smithson speaks with Lynn Liberato about her book, Michigan’s CON-CON 11: Women and State Constitution-making in 1961. Lynn’s groundbreaking work about the eleven female delegates to the 1961 Michigan Constitutional Convention was published by Michigan State University Press in November 2025. Lynn is a writer, historian and retired attorney. She received a 2024 State History Award from the Historical Society of Michigan for her article “Con-Con’s Petticoat Revolt: Women at the 1961 Constitutional Convention.” She has written for historical and legal publications. Lynn's father was a delegate to the 1961 convention. www.lynnliberato.com

  • February 25 · 45 min

    Remarkable Leaders: Women Presidents of the SBM

    WLAM's Carolyn Sullivan talks with SBM Past Presidents Nancy Diehl and Julie Fershtman about their experiences leading one of the nation's most important bar associations. This is episode is a rebroadcast of WLAM's 2025 program.

  • January 28 · 16 min

    Affinity Bar Series: South Asian American Bar Association of Michigan

    Isheeta Patel Laxmanan, South Asian American BarAssociation of Michigan, joins us to discuss South Asian American Bar Association of Michigan (SABA), its founding and where it is headed. Isheeta Patel Laxmanan is a patent attorney and shareholderat Brooks Kushman, where she focuses her practice on patent prosecution, portfolio management, and business-driven intellectual property solutions for her clients, ranging from Fortune 10 companies to startups. Beyond her legal practice, Isheeta is an advocate fordiversity and inclusivity within and outside her firm. She has served on the board of SABA Michigan since 2015 and is currently its President, having previously held the role in 2018. She also serves on the Board of Directors for SABA North America and is both a past Fellow and Pathfinder of the Leadership Council on Legal Diversity (LCLD). At Brooks Kushman, she serves on the DEI Committee, leading recruiting and pipeline initiatives, and emphatically supports associate development through mentorship. Passionate about her community, Isheeta devotes time toprograms like Engineer Girl & Girl Scouts, introducing girls to science and IP, and FATE Detroit, helping Detroit high schoolers with college-readiness and building career skills. She was named an “Up & Coming Lawyer” by MichiganLawyers Weekly in 2023 and has been listed in Best Lawyers’ Ones to Watch since 2021. Isheeta has also maintained strong ties with her alma mater, the University of Michigan, by guest-lecturing on IP law and legal careers. Tanya A. Grillo is the President of the Women Lawyers Association of Michigan and a Director- National Conference of Women's Bar Associations. She was recently appointed to the Macomb County Circuit Court. Before taking the bench, Judge Grillo was the Managed Assigned Counsel Coordinator for the city of Southfield. From 2017-2018, she was the Regional Manager for the Michigan Indigent Defense Commission (MIDC). In that capacity, she worked with all the courts in Lapeer, Macomb, Oakland and St. Clair Counties in the State of Michigan’s goal to reform the indigent defense system. She received a Juris Doctorate from Thomas M. Cooley Law School and a Bachelor’s Degree from the University of Central Florida. Learn more about WLAM on our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠ and on our social media platforms ⁠Facebook⁠, ⁠Instagram⁠, ⁠LinkedIn⁠, ⁠YouTube⁠, and ⁠Twitter⁠. WLAM supporters can sponsor the Working Towards NinePodcast. Sponsorship includes a 30-second promo, either audio created by the sponsor or ad copy read by the producer and the sponsor’s name cited in the show notes. Check out our website ⁠⁠here⁠⁠ to learn more and purchase a sponsorship.

  • January 14 · 47 min

    Vision and Purpose in Turbulent Times

    In this episode, Host Shawndrica Simmons talks with Judge Michelle Rick of the Court of Appeals for a timely and candidconversation on vision and purpose in turbulent times. Judge Rick reflects on her extensive career across every level of Michigan’s legal system and discusses the growing challenges facing the judiciary, including public distrust, political pressure, and threats to judicial independence. Theconversation explores access to justice, the importance of serving underserved communities, and the role women lawyers—particularly women in leadership—mustplay in safeguarding the rule of law. Listeners gain insight into the human side of judicial service, the responsibility of legal professionals during uncertain times, and the values necessary to lead with integrity, courage, and clarity in today’s legal landscape. Judge Michelle Rick was elected to the Michigan Court ofAppeals in November 2020. In 2026, she will run for re-election. Judge Rick previously served as a trial judge from 2007–2020. Prior to that, Judge Rick worked as a public servant in the Livingston County Prosecutor’s Office, theMichigan Department of Attorney General, and the office of Governor Jennifer M. Granholm. Judge Rick is a graduate of Michigan State University andthe University of Detroit Mercy School of Law. She is the past-president of the National Association of Women Judges. Judge Rick has also served on the executive board of the Michigan Judges Association, and is past-president ofthe MJA. Judge Rick is the recipient of several local, state, andnational awards. In 2019, the Michigan Supreme Court recognized Judge Rick as a judge who gives back and makes a difference. In 2020, the State Bar of Michigan awarded Judge Rick and select University of Detroit Mercy School of Law faculty and students the Kimberly M. Cahill Bar Leadership Award for creating and executing “Project Access,” a traveling expungement clinic. In 2015, WLAM Mid-Michiganbestowed on her the Carolyn Stell Award. In 2022, NAWJ awarded Judge Rick the Vaino Spencer Award for outstanding leadership in promoting its vision, core values,and mission. In 2021, Judge Rick received one of WLAM’s highest awards, the Mary S. Coleman Award. Most recently, Judge Rick was recognized by the Michigan Lawyer’s Weekly as the Influential Woman of Law for 2025. Judge Rick teaches courses concerning access to justice at UDM Law. She is an international, national, state, and local speaker on legal topics. Judge Rick lives in northern Michigan with her college sweetheart, Matthew. They raised their four adult children in the Lansing area Shawndrica N. Simmons is a solo practitioner and mediator atLawChic.com. Her Michigan civil litigation practice focuses on Labor & Employment, Family & Contractual Law, Probate, and Real Estate. She has been in the legal field for over twenty-four years. A former union advocate and former union president of the American Federation of State County &Municipal Employees (AFSCME) Local 3309/3rd Circuit Court; she now engages in litigation against employers, unions, school districts, and municipalities for civil rights violations while handling high-risk divorces involving allegations of abuse. She is everything contracts from sports, death to real estate. She is a serial entrepreneur with her latest venture being opening two supervised parenting time facilities in Oakland County and Wayne County while also offeringmediation services based on income levels. She is married to a master barber and co-owns their salon, Bundles on the Boulevard. She is the mother of three biological daughters and six non-biological children who call her Mom. She is ablack woman who understands that hair to us is as important as bathing daily. She is an advocate for those that can’t be authentic to themselves in a world built on white supremacy. She is the voice of the voiceless.

  • Dec 31, 2025 · 25 min

    Building Your 2026

    Guest Zenell B. Brown talks with Host Nicole Smithson about steps that listeners can take to create an actionable vision for 2026. Attorney, mediator, and administrator, Zenell B. Brown has worn many hats throughout her legal career. Known for her strategic planning acumen and inclusive leadership, she has made a lasting impact on the legal profession, earning both local and national recognition. Zenell serves as faculty for the National Center for State Courts’ Institute for Court Management, the National Association for Court Management, the Michigan Judicial Institute, and the Michigan Women Lawyers Association’s Leadership Academy. Nicole M. Smithson is the Creative Director of WT9 and WLAM's immediate past president. Nicole is the Oakland County Indigent Defense Services Office's principal attorney.

  • S3 · E42
    Oct 28, 2025 · 20 min

    Her Seat at the Table: Mary Sheffield on Power, Purpose, and Public Service

    In this episode, Jennifer Dewey talks to Mary Sheffield, Detroit City Council President, about her life, career, the importance of representation in government, and what it is like as a woman in leadership and politics. JENNIFER DEWEY BIO: Jennifer Dewey is an in-house attorney for General Motors with a practice focused on dealer franchise law and mergers and acquisitions. She is also involved with policy and economic development projects at GM. Prior to joining GM, Jennifer was a partner at Dickinson Wright PLLC’s Detroit office in the firm’s corporate group. Outside of her work at GM, she is an adjunct professor at Wayne State University Law School and serves on several boards, including the Pope Francis Center, Mercy Education Project, Eisenhower Dance Detroit, Detroit Economic Growth Corporation, Detroit Downtown Partnership BIZ Board, and is an editor of the National Association of Women Lawyers - Women Lawyers Journal. She lives in Detroit with her husband, Fred, and two young boys. MARY SHEFFIELD BIO: Mary Sheffield is a proud Detroiter, lifelong public servant, and the current President of the Detroit City Council. Elected at just 26, she made history as the youngest City Council member and later, the youngest Council President in Detroit’s history. Rooted in a family legacy of civil rights and community service, Mary has built her career on championing people-first policies, including affordable housing, property tax reform, home repair grants, and tenant protections. She is also the founder of grassroots programs like Occupy the Corner – Detroit, the Girls of Destiny Mentorship Program, and the Detroit Reparations Taskforce. She holds a Bachelor’s degree in Public Affairs from Wayne State University (2008) and a Master of Public Administration (MPA) from Central Michigan University. Known for her accessible, boots-on-the-ground style, Mary connects directly with Detroiters—whether in neighborhood corners, youth symposiums, or weekly “Conversations with the Councilwoman.” Recognized by Crain’s 20 in their 20s, 40 Under 40, the NAACP, and the Black United Fund, she leads with heart, faith, and a vision for an inclusive Detroit where every resident has a voice and the chance to thrive.

  • S2 · E11
    May 20, 2025 · 15 min

    Friendtoring and Other Lessons

    In this episode, host Nicole Smithson speaks with attorneyand author Bernadette Catalana about frendtoring—peers functioning as mentors—and lessons that Bernadette shared in her book, Daughter Lessons. While it can be challenging to find a traditional mentor, everyone has people in their lives who act as wise advisers. Bernadette Catalana is the partner in charge of Thompson Coe’s New York office. She is a litigator focusing on mass torts, toxic exposure cases, and Child Victims Act claims. Bernadette wrote the book, Daughter Lessons, and she shares practice tips and career advice for lawyers and other working professionals in her “Mentoring Moments” series on LinkedIn. Nicole M. Smithson is the Oakland County Indigent Defense Services Office’s principal attorney for compliance with Standards 6 and 7. She is currently president of the Women Lawyers Association of Michigan, creative director of the Working Towards Nine podcast, and co-chair of the National Association of Women Lawyers’ membership, growth, and engagement committee. Connect with Bernadette Catalana on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/bernadette-catalana-27057759/. Learn more about WLAM on our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠ and on our social media platforms ⁠Facebook⁠, ⁠Instagram⁠, ⁠LinkedIn⁠, ⁠YouTube⁠, and ⁠Twitter⁠. WLAM supporters can sponsor the Working Towards Nine Podcast. Sponsorship includes a 30-second promo, either audio created by the sponsor or ad copy read by the producer and the sponsor’s name cited in the show notes. Check out our website ⁠⁠here⁠⁠ to learn more and purchase asponsorship. WLAM wants the WTN Podcast to be accessible to all who listen. If you would like a free transcript of an episode, please email ⁠⁠wtn@womenlawyers.org/

  • S2 · E10
    Apr 29, 2025 · 47 min

    What should non-immigration attorneys know about Trump 2.0?

    The Trump administration's immigration changes have had profound consequences. In our new episode, we hear from two expert immigration attorneys about the legal landscape and the human stories behind the headlines. Don't miss this crucial conversation. Listen Now. Available wherever you get your podcasts. Sarah Yore-VanOosterhout, Founder, Advocacy Director& Managing Attorney of Lighthouse Immigrant Advocates. Sarah graduated from Calvin University with bachelor degrees in social work and Spanish. Sarah later attended Michigan State University College of Law where she studied immigration and public interest law. Following law school, Sarah jumped into immigration legal services at the Diocese of Grand Rapids Immigration Legal Services. Later, she did contract and private practice work while working to open her own nonprofit immigration law office in Holland, Michigan. In 2015, she pioneered Lighthouse Immigrant Advocates, a thriving and quickly-growing legal services and advocacy center serving West Michigan. Sarah also serves as the chair of the State Bar of Michigan Immigration Law Section. When she's not working, you can find Sarah tending to her plants (inside and outside!),hiking, backpacking, reading, painting, or snuggling with her very scruffy rescue mutts, Milo and Otis. Sarah's most favorite life event was when she became mom to Evie and Bay (15 and 11), two kiddos who have, since day one, kept her grounded in the midst of a chaotic world and vocation. Susan E. Reed co-founded Michigan Immigrant Rights Center(MIRC) at the Michigan Advocacy Program to expand access to immigration legal services and advance pro-immigrant policy in Michigan. Susan has led and partnered on advocacy and impact litigation that has: developed public funding for immigration legal services at the federal, state, county, and city level; preserved and expanded Medicaid access for approximately 85,000 noncitizens; recovered hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost and stolen wages for immigrant workers; advanced civil rights for detained immigrants and people of color targeted by immigration enforcement; and secured legal immigration status and citizenship for thousands of individual clients. Susan was appointed by the Michigan Supreme Court to the inaugural Foreign Language Board of Review following her participation in successful advocacy for the court rule that created the board and expanded language access in Michigan's courts. She has represented immigrant and immigrant rights interests as a long-time member of the Michigan State Planning Body for Legal Services and as part of several State Bar of Michigan initiatives. She is a proud member of the first class of the W.K. Kellogg Foundation Community Leadership Network. Susan is a graduate of Marquette University and the University of Minnesota Law School. Abril Valdes Siewert has dedicated her career to social justice. Ms. Siewert specializes in immigration law at Valdes Law, PLLC. She is also an instructor for Oakland University’s paralegal program teaching immigration law. Lighthouse Immigrant Advocates: www.lia-michigan.org Michigan Immigrant Rights Center: www.michiganimmigrant.org Learn more about immigration law: Join the SBM’s Immigration Law Section! www.michbar.org/sections/home Join the American Immigration Lawyers Association www.aila.org https://www.cliniclegal.org/ https://www.ilrc.org/ https://immigrantjustice.org/ Nonpartisan/unaffiliated news and research: https://www.cato.org/ https://www.pewresearch.org/ Book: Separated Family and Community in the Aftermath of an Immigration Raid William D. Lopez Learn more about WLAM on our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠ and on our social media platforms ⁠Facebook⁠, ⁠Instagram⁠, ⁠LinkedIn⁠, ⁠YouTube⁠, and ⁠Twitter⁠. WLAM wants the WTN Podcast to be accessible to all who listen. If you would like a free transcript of an episode, please email ⁠⁠wtn@womenlawyers.org⁠⁠.

  • S2 · E9
    Apr 25, 2025 · 22 min

    Affinity Bar Series: Vanzetti Hamilton Bar Association

    Lou Ed Danner, President of Vanzetti Hamilton Bar Association, joins us to discuss Vanzetti Hamilton Bar Association its founding and where it is headed. Lou Ed Danner is an Assistant Corporation Counsel for Washtenaw County. Prior to his position with Washtenaw County, Lou served as an Assistant Prosecuting Attorney for the Washtenaw County Prosecutor’s Office for nine years. Lou is a graduate of Thomas M. Cooley Law School. He was born in Highland Park, Michigan and graduated from Ypsilanti High School. Lou’s greatest accomplishment is being a father of three children. Lous is a very active community leaders and volunteers with his local church and continues to work with his fraternity Iota Phi Theta. Lou believes that a diverse and thriving legal community is a great pillar to a more diverse and engaged community. Email:vanzettibar@gmail.com Tanya A. Grillo is the President-Elect of the Women Lawyers Association of Michigan and a Director - National Conference of Women's Bar Associations. She is the Managed Assigned Counsel Coordinator for the city of Southfield. From 2017-2018, Tanya was the Regional Manager for the Michigan Indigent Defense Commission (MIDC). In that capacity, I worked with all the courts in Lapeer, Macomb, Oakland and St. Clair Counties in the State of Michigan’s goal to reform the indigent defense system. She received a Juris Doctorate from Thomas M. Cooley Law School and a Bachelor’s Degree from the University of Central Florida. Learn more about WLAM on our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠ and on our social media platforms ⁠Facebook⁠, ⁠Instagram⁠, ⁠LinkedIn⁠, ⁠YouTube⁠, and ⁠Twitter⁠.

  • S2 · E8
    Apr 23, 2025 · 24 min

    Affinity Bar Series: National Arab American Bar Association-MI

    Soujoud C. Hamade, President of the Michigan Chapter of the National Arab American Bar Association (NAABA-MI), joins us to discuss NAABA-MI and the exciting growth this organization has experience in the last four years. Soujoud C. Hamade is an attorney, entrepreneur, real estate investor, and community advocate who serves as the President of the Michigan Chapter of the National Arab American Bar Association (NAABA-MI). She and her partner founded HNH Law Group in Dearborn and operate their practice on the top floor of one of the commercial real estate properties Ms. Hamade acquired within the last few years through her investment company, Hamade Capital Investments. Ms. Hamade specializes in Business and Real Estate Law, but her firm also handles Civil Litigation, Criminal Defense, and Personal Injury. Ms. Hamade began her legal career as an associate member of the Government Policy Practice Group at Dykema Gossett, a leading national law firm, out of their flagship office in Lansing, Michigan. She later accepted a position as the Director of Safety and Compliance at Glorious Cannabis, one of the largest and most sophisticated cultivation facilities in the State of Michigan. During Ms. Hamade’s spare time, she has served on the board of multiple organizations, including the Arc of Northwest Wayne County, NAABA-National, the Middle Eastern and North African Chamber of Commerce, and NAABA-MI. Since helping establish NAABA-MI, the nonprofit has grown from just four members to over two hundred members. In three years, NAABA-MI has hosted multiple successful networking events, launched a membership program, facilitated the hire of multiple employment positions, hosted a dozen panels at law schools across the State of Michigan, and helped the State Attorney General’s office host an expungement fair and a driver’s license restoration drive. Ms. Hamade earned her Juris Doctor degree and her Bachelor’s in Philosophy with minors in Linguistics and Cognitive Science from Michigan State University, where she received many honors and awards for her academic achievements, including the Distinguished Law Student Trailblazer Award, Jurisprudence Achievement Award in Negotiation, Jurisprudence Achievement Award in Advocacy, and the Best Oralist Award. Ms. Hamade’s unique work background and experiences have made her particularly skilled at assisting nonprofits. She looks forward to joining the Board of Directors of the Dearborn Education Foundation and to helping wherever needed. Tanya A. Grillo is the President-Elect of the Women Lawyers Association of Michigan and a Director - National Conference of Women's Bar Associations. She is the Managed Assigned Counsel Coordinator for the city of Southfield. From 2017-2018, Tanya was the Regional Manager for the Michigan Indigent Defense Commission (MIDC). In that capacity, I worked with all the courts in Lapeer, Macomb, Oakland and St. Clair Counties in the State of Michigan’s goal to reform the indigent defense system. She received a Juris Doctorate from Thomas M. Cooley Law School and a Bachelor’s Degree from the University of Central Florida. Website - Connecting Arab American Legal Professionals Across Michigan - NAABA Michigan Learn more about WLAM on our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠ and on our social media platforms ⁠Facebook⁠, ⁠Instagram⁠, ⁠LinkedIn⁠, ⁠YouTube⁠, and ⁠Twitter⁠. WLAM supporters can sponsor the Working Towards Nine Podcast. Sponsorship includes a 30-second promo, either audio created by the sponsor or ad copy read by the producer and the sponsor’s name cited in the show notes. Check out our website ⁠⁠here⁠⁠ to learn more and purchase a sponsorship. WLAM wants the WTN Podcast to be accessible to all who listen. If you would like a free transcript of an episode, please email ⁠⁠wtn@womenlawyers.org⁠⁠.

  • S2 · E7
    Apr 21, 2025 · 17 min

    Affinity Bar Series: The Chaldean American Bar Association

    Rita Soka, the President of the Chaldean American Bar Association, joins us for a conversation about this organization, its mission, and rich history of advocacy. Rita Soka is the founder and managing attorney at Soka Law, PLLC and she committed to guiding individuals and families through the complexities of legal estate planning and family law related issues. In addition to her legal work, she serves as an adjunct professor at Detroit Mercy, sharing her knowledge and passion for the law with the next generation of attorney and also remains actively involved in her professional community as an alumni board member at Detroit Mercy. Rita earned her Juris Doctor (JD), magna cum laude, from Detroit Mercy School of Law, and holds a bachelor’s degree in clinical science, summa cum laude, from Wayne State University. Before transitioning to law, Rita spent 10 years working in healthcare, where she developed a deep understanding of the needs of individuals and families navigating challenging situations. Rita’s warmth and approachability extend beyond her professional life. She is a devoted wife and mother of three, who treasures time spent with her family. Tanya A. Grillo is the President-Elect of the Women Lawyers Association of Michigan and a Director - National Conference of Women's Bar Associations. Tanya is a dedicated leader, advocate, and champion for women in the legal profession who is committed to fostering a culture of authenticity, connection, and empowerment. With a passion for mentorship and advocacy, Tanya works to break down barriers and build a more inclusive legal community. Beyond her leadership in WLAM, Tanya is an accomplished attorney known for her strategic thinking and unwavering dedication to justice. She is the Managed Assigned Counsel Coordinator for the city of Southfield. Tanya received a Juris Doctorate from Thomas M. Cooley Law School and a Bachelor’s Degree from the University of Central Florida. Info@ChaldeanLawyers.orghttps://link.edgepilot.com/s/d6380fbd/xotqcpzJLkyTU69NJ2T3jw?u=http://www.chaldeanlawyers.org/ Follow CABA on Instagram Follow CABA on Facebook Follow CABA on LinkedIn Learn more about WLAM on our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠ and on our social media platforms ⁠Facebook⁠, ⁠Instagram⁠, ⁠LinkedIn⁠, ⁠YouTube⁠, and ⁠Twitter⁠. WLAM supporters can sponsor the Working Towards Nine Podcast. Sponsorship includes a 30-second promo, either audio created by the sponsor or ad copy read by the producer and the sponsor’s name cited in the show notes. Check out our website ⁠⁠here⁠⁠ to learn more and purchase a sponsorship. WLAM wants the WTN Podcast to be accessible to all who listen. If you would like a free transcript of an episode, please email ⁠⁠wtn@womenlawyers.org⁠⁠.

  • S2 · E6
    Apr 17, 2025 · 16 min

    Affinity Bar Series: The D. Augustus Straker Bar Association

    Mikai Green, the President of the D. Augustus Straker Bar Association, joins us for a conversation about this organization, its mission, and its rich history of advocacy. Mikai Green is a native of Detroit and Principal Attorney of GreenLaw Virtual Intellectual Property PC. She specializes in protecting, preserving & monetizing intellectual property to create generational wealth and legacy. Mikai handles novel and complex copyright infringement matters, has advance knowledge of federal trademarks, negotiating free agent contracts, film, music, and licensing agreements, forming and structuring for-profit and nonprofit entities, trusts and estate plans. Makai also serves as a volunteer mentor for the Minority Bar Prep Program, where she finds pleasure in instructing and tutoring recent law school graduates to sit for the Uniform Bar Exam. In addition, Makai also serves as Secretary of One Detroit Credit Union. This position is important to her because she’s at the forefront of facilitating financial independence & financial literacy to the underserved, and promoting economic revitalization in distressed communities. Mikai is a graduate of Western Michigan Cooley Law School, where she received her Jurist Doctorates in Intellectual Property Law and Michigan State University where she earned her Bachelors in Telecommunications. When she is not practicing law, she spends her time developing ideas and concepts. Makai is co-founder of a newly launched bottled water company “Green Water”, the only alkaline, antiseptic, and antiviral water on the market, which her father is co-founder and scientist behind the formula. She is the founder of “Trap Tours”, a sightseeing company, and has several other ventures underway. Tanya A. Grillo is the President-Elect of the Women Lawyers Association of Michigan and a Director - National Conference of Women's Bar Associations. Tanya is a dedicated leader, advocate, and champion for women in the legal profession who is committed to fostering a culture of authenticity, connection, and empowerment. With a passion for mentorship and advocacy, Tanya works to break down barriers and build a more inclusive legal community. Beyond her leadership in WLAM, Tanya is an accomplished attorney known for her strategic thinking and unwavering dedication to justice. She is the Managed Assigned Counsel Coordinator for the city of Southfield. Tanya received a Juris Doctorate from Thomas M. Cooley Law School and a Bachelor’s Degree from the University of Central Florida. Website – strakerlaw.org Learn more about WLAM on our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠ and on our social media platforms ⁠Facebook⁠, ⁠Instagram⁠, ⁠LinkedIn⁠, ⁠YouTube⁠, and ⁠Twitter⁠. WLAM supporters can sponsor the Working Towards Nine Podcast. Sponsorship includes a 30-second promo, either audio created by the sponsor or ad copy read by the producer and the sponsor’s name cited in the show notes. Check out our website ⁠⁠here⁠⁠ to learn more and purchase a sponsorship. WLAM wants the WTN Podcast to be accessible to all who listen. If you would like a free transcript of an episode, please email ⁠⁠wtn@womenlawyers.org⁠⁠.

  • S2 · E4
    Apr 15, 2025 · 18 min

    Affinity Bar Series: Michigan Muslim Bar Association

    Dewnya Bazzi, President of Michigan Muslim Bar Association, joins us to discuss MMBA, the struggles Muslim attorneys face, and the organizations commitment to growth and collaboration as we move forward into 2025. Dewnya Bazzi is a distinguished personal injury attorney, visionary leader, and founder of ATLAW, a multi-service law firm that has redefined the standards of legal excellence. With a proven track record of advocating for injured clients, Dewnya has built an eight-figure law firm that handles thousands of active personal injury cases at a time, all without ad spend, using a grassroots approach that prioritizes client care and community engagement. Driven by a passion for innovation and a deep commitment to transforming the legal industry, Dewnya developed the Client Experience Platform (CXP), a groundbreaking tool that empowers attorneys to deliver superior service and build stronger client relationships. Her vision extends beyond her own firm as she actively mentors and teaches other attorneys how to grow their practices by implementing these cutting-edge strategies. As a mother of three and wife to a supportive husband, Dewnya balances her professional accomplishments with her role as a dedicated family woman. She is deeply empathetic, understanding the human side of the legal process, and strives to make the legal industry more client-focused and compassionate. Dewnya’s life's mission is to disrupt the legal industry for the better, promoting a problem-solving, client-centered approach. She envisions a future where attorneys and clients work together in a positive, solution-oriented environment. Through her entrepreneurial mind and visionary approach, she aims to build a billion-dollar company that not only excels in legal practice but also fosters meaningful change in the industry. Her journey, which includes rebuilding her law firm from the ground up after a significant legal change, serves as a source of inspiration for many. Dewnya is now sharing this journey with other personal injury attorneys, guiding them through the process of building successful law firms while remaining true to their values. Humble in her success and empathetic in her approach, Dewnya is committed to leading the charge in creating a better, more inclusive, and client-focused legal industry.” Tanya A. Grillo is the President-Elect of the Women Lawyers Association of Michigan and a Director - National Conference of Women's Bar Associations. She is the Managed Assigned Counsel Coordinator for the city of Southfield. From 2017-2018, Tanya was the Regional Manager for the Michigan Indigent Defense Commission (MIDC). In that capacity, I worked with all the courts in Lapeer, Macomb, Oakland and St. Clair Counties in the State of Michigan’s goal to reform the indigent defense system. She received a Juris Doctorate from Thomas M. Cooley Law School and a Bachelor’s Degree from the University of Central Florida. Website –www. mimuslimbar.com Admin email – info@mibuslimbar.com Learn more about WLAM on our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠ and on our social media platforms ⁠Facebook⁠, ⁠Instagram⁠, ⁠LinkedIn⁠, ⁠YouTube⁠, and ⁠Twitter⁠. WLAM supporters can sponsor the Working Towards Nine Podcast. Sponsorship includes a 30-second promo, either audio created by the sponsor or ad copy read by the producer and the sponsor’s name cited in the show notes. Check out our website ⁠⁠here⁠⁠ to learn more and purchase a sponsorship. WLAM wants the WTN Podcast to be accessible to all who listen. If you would like a free transcript of an episode, please email ⁠⁠wtn@womenlawyers.org⁠⁠.

  • Apr 2, 2025 · 20 min

    A Sneak Peak: The Power of Authenticity with Kristen Ekken

    Join us in a special sneak peek episode to learn all about the keynote speaker at this year‘s 107th Women Lawyers Association of Michigan annual meeting. This episode features Kristen Ekkens, who will talk to us about authenticity and the importance of coming to the table as you are. Kristin Ekkens is a visionary leader, TEDx speaker, and award-winning entrepreneur whose mission is to bring light and joy to the world. As the Founder & CEO of Exponential Inclusion (EXI) and the Founder of Exponential Joy, Kristin is dedicated to empowering individuals and communities to embrace their full potential and create meaningful impact. From empowering women leaders in Saudi Arabia to uplifting Latinx communities in the United States and cultivating impactful teams in the Caribbean, Kristin’s career reflects her unwavering commitment to inclusion, purpose, and transformation. Guided by her belief that joy is a powerful force for change, Kristin creates spaces where people can reconnect with themselves, find inspiration, and amplify their unique light. Whether through retreats, coaching, or community initiatives, her work fosters connection, compassion, and exponential joy for a brighter world. Contact info: Connect with Kristin on LinkedIn Exponential Joy | www.exponentialjoy.global Exponential Inclusion | www.exi.global Kirsten J. Silwanowicz is the Chief General Counsel for the Detroit Housing Commission. She is a distinguished in-house counsel with extensive expertise in federal grants, contracts, litigation, compliance, and risk management. She provides strategic legal guidance and develops tailored solutions that drive organizational growth while aligning with mission-critical objectives. Kirsten has served the Detroit community through roles at the Suburban Mobility Authority for Regional Transportation and the Great Lakes Water Authority, where she led complex contract negotiations, managed litigation, ensured regulatory compliance, and supported state and federal funding initiatives. A passionate advocate for public service and advancing women in the legal profession, Kirsten is a leader within the Women Lawyers Association of Michigan (WLAM) and the National Association of Women Lawyers (NAWL). She serves as Vice President of the WLAM State Board and past President of the WLAM Wayne Region. Through her leadership and publications in the Women Lawyers Journal, she champions women’s rights and equality in the legal field. Kirsten holds a Juris Doctor from the University of Detroit Mercy School of Law and a Bachelor of Arts in Spanish from Michigan State University, where she became fluent in Spanish. She began her legal career in Dallas, Texas, before returning to Michigan in 2015 to continue her impactful practice and advocacy efforts.

  • S2 · E4
    Mar 26, 2025 · 17 min

    Affinity Bar Series: Black Women Lawyers Association of Michigan

    Delicia Taylor Coleman, President of Black Women Lawyers of Michigan, joins us to discuss The Black Women Lawyers Association of Michigan (BWLAM), its founding and where it is headed. Delicia Taylor Colman is a Senior Assistant Corporation Counsel for the City of Detroit in the Blight Division and General Counsel for the City of Detroit Board of Ethics. Delicia had an active trial practice for over 27 years primarily in Criminal (Misdemeanor, Felony and Federal Law), but also Family, Real Estate, Civil (Several Small Business Clients), Probate and Juvenile Law. She represented clients as both Plaintiff’s and Defense Counsel and was a vocal advocate for reforming the Criminal Justice system to incorporate restorative justice along with equity, equality, and respect for all coming before the Court. In seeing disparate treatment for individuals whose financial, racial, or sexual orientation or preference is not considered “mainstream” Delicia actively sought programs to bring about fair and just treatment for everyone especially the disenfranchised. Delicia has served her community as a mentor for the Midnight Golf Program for the last 11 years. Prior to that I was a Board member of BLAC magazine and previously served as an executive Board member for Serenity Services. She is regular career day speaker with the Detroit Board of Education and participate in Pro Bono legal services through local Bar Associations and a past member of the Wayne County Criminal Bar Association. Delicia is a current member of the NBA, and NAACP. In 2021, she was awarded the State Bar of Michigan, Unsung Hero award selected for an attorney who has exhibited the highest standards of practice and commitment for the benefit of others. In 2017, she was nominated as one of top 10 “Best in Black” attorneys by Michigan Chronicle. Tanya A. Grillo is the President-Elect of the Women Lawyers Association of Michigan and a Director - National Conference of Women's Bar Associations. She is the Managed Assigned Counsel Coordinator for the city of Southfield. From 2017-2018, Tanya was the Regional Manager for the Michigan Indigent Defense Commission (MIDC). In that capacity, I worked with all the courts in Lapeer, Macomb, Oakland and St. Clair Counties in the State of Michigan’s goal to reform the indigent defense system. She received a Juris Doctorate from Thomas M. Cooley Law School and a Bachelor’s Degree from the University of Central Florida. Webste - Black Women Lawyers Association of Michigan | Learn more about WLAM on our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠ and on our social media platforms ⁠Facebook⁠, ⁠Instagram⁠, ⁠LinkedIn⁠, ⁠YouTube⁠, and ⁠Twitter⁠. WLAM supporters can sponsor the Working Towards Nine Podcast. Sponsorship includes a 30-second promo, either audio created by the sponsor or ad copy read by the producer and the sponsor’s name cited in the show notes. Check out our website ⁠⁠here⁠⁠ to learn more and purchase a sponsorship. WLAM wants the WTN Podcast to be accessible to all who listen. If you would like a free transcript of an episode, please email ⁠⁠wtn@womenlawyers.org⁠⁠.

  • S2 · E4
    Mar 15, 2025 · 18 min

    Affinity Bar Series: The Hispanic Bar Association of Michigan

    Everado Tapia, the President of the Hispanic Bar Association of Michigan (HBAM), joins us for a conversation about HBAM and its main focus of growth. Everardo Tapia is the president of the Hispanic Bar Association of Michigan. He is Associate General Counsel at Forvia, the world’s seventh largest automotive supplier. Previously, Everardo was an associate practicing Automotive, Business, Commercial, and IP Litigation in the Detroit office of Butzel Long. Everardo received his JD from Chicago-Kent College of Law and his undergraduate degree in engineering from Penn State. Everardo is currently serving as the President of the Hispanic Bar Association of Michigan. Outside of work, Everardo enjoys running, cycling, and spending time with his family. Tanya A. Grillo is the President-Elect of the Women Lawyers Association of Michigan and a Director - National Conference of Women's Bar Associations. She is the Managed Assigned Counsel Coordinator for the city of Southfield. From 2017-2018, Tanya was the Regional Manager for the Michigan Indigent Defense Commission (MIDC). In that capacity, I worked with all the courts in Lapeer, Macomb, Oakland and St. Clair Counties in the State of Michigan’s goal to reform the indigent defense system. She received a Juris Doctorate from Thomas M. Cooley Law School and a Bachelor’s Degree from the University of Central Florida. Website - Hispanic Bar Association of Michigan Learn more about WLAM on our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠ and on our social media platforms ⁠Facebook⁠, ⁠Instagram⁠, ⁠LinkedIn⁠, ⁠YouTube⁠, and ⁠Twitter⁠. WLAM supporters can sponsor the Working Towards Nine Podcast. Sponsorship includes a 30-second promo, either audio created by the sponsor or ad copy read by the producer and the sponsor’s name cited in the show notes. Check out our website ⁠⁠here⁠⁠ to learn more and purchase a sponsorship. WLAM wants the WTN Podcast to be accessible to all who listen. If you would like a free transcript of an episode, please email ⁠⁠wtn@womenlawyers.org⁠⁠.

  • S2 · E2
    Feb 26, 2025 · 1 hr 23 min

    How to Become a Judge

    In this episode, host Nicole Smithson speaks with three distinguished jurists about their journey to the bench and their advice for attorneys who want to become a judge. Additionally, Lynn Helland, executive director of the Michigan Judicial Tenure Commission, shares valuable information about the unique ethical requirements for judicial candidates. Hon. Julie A. Gafkay was appointed to the Saginaw County Circuit Court bench by Governor Gretchen Whitmer on April 26, 2023, filling the vacancy created by the retirement of the Hon. Janet M. Boes. Prior to her appointment, Judge Gafkay owned a law firm in Saginaw County for 20 years specializing in civil rights, employment discrimination, sexual harassment, retaliation, Whistleblowers’ Protection Act, and personal injury. She served as president of the Saginaw County Bar Association and Women Lawyers Association of Michigan. Lynn Helland is the executive director of the Judicial Tenure Commission. Prior to joining the JTC, he was an Assistant United States Attorney for 34 years. He has significant experience with Michigan legal ethics as professional responsibility officer for the US Attorney’s Office, discipline hearing panelist for the Attorney Discipline Board, and ethics instructor. His work included helping colleagues in the US Attorney’s Office comply with the Michigan Rules of Professional Conduct. Hon. Shelia R. Johnson is Chief Judge of the 46th District Court, which serves the Michigan communities of Southfield, LathrupVillage, Bingham Farms, Beverly Hills, Franklin, and Southfield Township. Judge Johnson was elected in November 2002 and is the first African American to serve as a judge in the 46th District Court and the first African American female districtcourt judge in Oakland County. In 2012, Judge Johnson was selected by the Michigan Democratic Party as a candidate for Justice of the Michigan Supreme Court. Prior to assuming the bench, Judge Johnson was an attorney, with over 18 years of legal experience in both State and FederalCourts. She has held many positions in professional associations, including but not limited to: past president of the statewide Michigan District Judges Association; member of the State Bar of Michigan Judicial Council; past president of the Association of Black Judges of Michigan, former vice-president and board member of the National Association of Women Judges; past board member, financial secretary, and recording secretary of the Judicial Council of the National Bar Association; former member of the Equal Access Initiative of the Committee on Justice Initiatives of the State Bar of Michigan; and fellow of the State Bar of Michigan, the American Bar Association, and the Oakland County Bar Association. Hon. Sima G. Patel was appointed to the Michigan Court of Appeals in 2022. Before joining the bench, she was anappellate attorney in private practice for over 11 years representing clients in complex litigation before the Michigan Supreme Court, Michigan Court of Appeals, and the Federal 6th Circuit Court of Appeals. Judge Patel began her legal career as a law clerk in the Michigan Supreme Court. Judge Patel was recognized as a 2021 Michigan Lawyers Weekly Leader in the Law. She won the WMU Thomas M. Cooley Law Review Distinguished Brief Award for writing one of the top scholarly appellate briefs submitted to the Michigan Supreme Court in 2020. Judge Patel is a contributing author for the Institute for Continuing Legal Education publication Torts: Michigan Law and Practice. Nicole M. Smithson is the Oakland County Indigent Defense Services Office’s principal attorney for compliance with Standards 6 and 7. She is currently president of the Women Lawyers Association of Michigan, creative director of the Working Towards Nine podcast, and co-chair of the National Association of Women Lawyers’ membership, growth, and engagement committee. For a copy of Judge Johnson’s PowerPoint slides, please email info@womenlawyers.org.

  • S2 · E2
    Feb 19, 2025 · 10 min

    Affinity Bar Organizations: Michigan Asian Pacific American Bar Association

    Jacqueline August, Immediate Past-President of the Michigan Asian Pacific American Bar Association (MAPABA), joins us to discuss the genesis of the organization and how it has evolved. Jacqueline August is the Immediate Past President of the Michigan Asian Pacific American Bar Association. She is Associate Counsel at RKT Holdings and the She drafts and negotiates a broad range of commercial contracts, including vendor contracts for goods, software, and services. Jacqueline serves on the Board of Directors of the Women Lawyers Association of Michigan (WLAM), and is Vice President of the Women’s Bar Association (Oakland Region of WLAM), Jacqueline was honored by Michigan Lawyer’s Weekly in its Class of 2023 Up and Coming Lawyers. Tanya A. Grillo is the President-Elect of the Women Lawyers Association of Michigan and a Director - National Conference of Women's Bar Associations. She is the Managed Assigned Counsel Coordinator for the city of Southfield. From 2017-2018, Tanya was the Regional Manager for the Michigan Indigent Defense Commission (MIDC). In that capacity, I worked with all the courts in Lapeer, Macomb, Oakland and St. Clair Counties in the State of Michigan’s goal to reform the indigent defense system. She received a Juris Doctorate from Thomas M. Cooley Law School and a Bachelor’s Degree from the University of Central Florida. Website- https://mapaba.carrd.co/Learn more about WLAM on our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠ and on our social media platforms ⁠Facebook⁠, ⁠Instagram⁠, ⁠LinkedIn⁠, ⁠YouTube⁠, and ⁠Twitter⁠. WLAM supporters can sponsor the Working Towards Nine Podcast. Sponsorship includes a 30-second promo, either audio created by the sponsor or ad copy read by the producer and the sponsor’s name cited in the show notes. Check out our website ⁠⁠here⁠⁠ to learn more and purchase a sponsorship. WLAM wants the WTN Podcast to be accessible to all who listen. If you would like a free transcript of an episode, please email ⁠⁠wtn@womenlawyers.org⁠⁠.

  • S2 · E1
    Dec 10, 2024 · 34 min

    A Conversation with Fair Michigan’s Director of Transgender Advocacy, Julisa Abad

    Warning: This episode contains discussions on murder, assault, and violence. Listener discretion is advised. Julisa Abad the Latina transgender woman from Florida who relocated to Michigan to work in transgender advocacy. As the Director of transgender advocacy, she is a community leader on the issues that face the transgender community including housing, education, victims assistance, healthcare, and violence reduction. She is fluent in three languages including Spanish and Portuguese. Her critical work has provided emergency housing, furnishings, and healthcare to the transgender community, as well as assisting the justice project aid crime victims and find an interview crime witnesses. She has been instrumental in assisting with name change clinics for transgender persons so that their names match their gender. Abril Valdes Siewert has dedicated her career to social justice. Ms. Siewert specializes in immigration law at Valdes Law, PLLC. She has worked with small and large firms, as well as non-profit organizations such as Lakeshore Legal Aid; and as the Immigrant Rights Attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Michigan. During her time at the ACLU, she co-authored the Michigan Crimmigration resource guide which was distributed throughout the state. Ms. Siewert is licensed in the states of Michigan and California. She received her J.D., from the University of Detroit Mercy School of Law and her B.A. in English, from California State University Los Angeles. She is the secretary and co-chair of the Diversity Equity & Inclusion committee for the Women Lawyers Association of Michigan, and corresponding secretary for the State Bar of Michigan’s Immigration Law Section. Read more about the Fair Michigan Justice Project here: https://www.fairmichigan.org/fair-michigan-justice-project/ Read more about Ashia Davis here: https://www.hrc.org/news/honoring-ashia-davis-34-year-old-black-trans-woman-killed-in-detroit Ways to get involved: https://www.glaad.com Learn more about WLAM on our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠ and on our social media platforms ⁠Facebook⁠, ⁠Instagram⁠, ⁠LinkedIn⁠, ⁠YouTube⁠, and ⁠Twitter⁠. WLAM supporters can sponsor the Working Towards Nine Podcast. Sponsorship includes a 30-second promo, either audio created by the sponsor or ad copy read by the producer and the sponsor’s name cited in the show notes. Check out our website ⁠⁠here⁠⁠ to learn more and purchase a sponsorship. WLAM wants the WTN Podcast to be accessible to all who listen. If you would like a free transcript of an episode, please email ⁠⁠wtn@womenlawyers.org⁠⁠.

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