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Word In Your Ear

Mark Ellen, David Hepworth and Alex Gold

Mark Ellen and David Hepworth have been talking about and writing about music together and individually for a collective eighty years in magazines like Smash Hits, Mojo and The Word and on radio and TV programmes like "Rock On", "Whistle Test" and VH-1.


Over thirteen years ago, when working on the late magazine The Word, they began producing podcasts. Some listeners have been kind enough to say these have been very special to them. When the magazine folded in 2012 they kept the spirit of those podcasts alive in regular Word In Your Ear evenings in which they spoke to musicians and authors in front of an audience. 


Over these years they've produced hundreds of hours of material. As of the Current Unpleasantness of 2020, they've produced yet hundreds of hours more with a little help from guests kind enough to digitally show them around their attics such as Danny Baker, Andy Partridge, Sir Tim Rice and Mark Lewisohn. For the full span of the Word In Your Ear world, visit wiyelondon.com.

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  • July 27 · 42 min

    Jonathan Richman, on-the-road songs and the best-known solo ever recorded

    This week’s news in a conversational cocktail-shaker and served with ice and a little paper parasol. Those Happy Hour highlights include … … six musicians who keep getting better looking … Plas Johnson RIP, a part of everyone’s life for 60 years … the Odyssey and how Hollywood thinks the rest of the world has a foreign accent … why you couldn’t make Bugsy Malone today … Jonathan Richman’s genuine wide-eyed love of the modern world … Clare Torry’s Pink Floyd payday … “Styrofoam ice buckets full of ice”: the greatest song ever written about life on the road … Mick Jagger, the art of evasion and the exquisite boredom of Stones’ B-sides about America … the four rock stars who played the Artful Dodger … and what John Wayne said to ‘Jesus’. Help us to keep The Longest Continuous Conversation In Rock'n'Roll going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • July 23 · 37 min

    Georgie Fame, Ben Sidran and the golden age of ‘60s Soho

    Ben Sidran was in a teenage band with Steve Miller and Boz Scaggs, a session pianist with the Stones in 1969 and carved a brilliant career as a jazz musician, producer, author and broadcaster. He’s just written ‘Cool Cat Blues’ about his old friend and collaborator Georgie Fame and the brief, luminous, pre-rock London blues and jazz scene that launched him. This enthralling conversation looks at the “heavy lift” of being a piano player and Georgie’s unique position in the organic, unhyped, pre-youth scene before the arrival of rock. And covers … … the “coal smoke” London of the late ‘60s and Ben recording with the Stones at Olympic … the romance and “elephant paths” of the great jazz legends … why British musicians were more sophisticated than Americans obsessed with authenticity ... the influence of Mose Allison, “a white jazz and blues intellectual with storytelling and social commentary” … GI’s bringing black American records to the Flamingo Club … how Georgie Fame was “raised by wolves” and the Larry Parnes and Light Entertainment worlds that helped shape him … and Yeh Yeh, Get Away and the Ballad Of Bonnie and Clyde, the hits that damaged his reputation. Order ‘Cool Cat Blues’ here: https://www.equinoxpub.com/projects/cool-cat-blues Help us to keep The Longest Continuous Conversation In Rock'n'Roll going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • July 20 · 52 min

    All music is dance music! – and the best stage name ever

    Another over-heated week put through the conversational air-conditioner, which involves … … the man who got rich writing words that could never be sung … Anna Bullock? Stefani Germanotta? People who’d never have made it if they hadn’t changed their names … and the best stage name ever! … Marco Pirroni’s jukebox … when the Rock'n’Roll rulebook declared ‘Thou Shalt Not Dance!’ … how David Dundas made a fortune from just four notes … Ringo, Dylan, Hank Marvin, Bill Wyman and the magic of cowboy culture … who lost out on ‘It’s Only Rock’n’Roll’ and ‘Jessica’? … and the biggest star of the 20th Century and how he got his name Plus the Bingville Bugle and birthday guest Gianluca Tramontana looks back at when dance music came in for a kicking. Help us to keep The Longest Continuous Conversation In Rock'n'Roll going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • July 15 · 38 min

    Adam & the Ants, pop stardom and Marco Pirroni’s brief spell in the spotlight

    Marco Pirroni’s moment in the sun was big, lucrative but incredibly short. It was under a year from Adam & the Ants’ first hit to their last and immediate break-up. Adam, he remembers, was the perfect writing partner – driven, intensely competitive and with “a pathological fear of only being Number 2”. He’s got no regrets, hasn’t had to do day’s work since, and looks back here at … … being the first band writing songs for the video age … “you can’t confuse fans buying records with love, it’s nothing personal” … Telstar, Fireball XL5, Roxy Music and the “moon-stomping hits of Slade” … playing covers of songs they didn’t like with Siouxsie at the 100 Club: “punk rock and my part in its downfall” … Adam’s “Shakespearian tirade” at the legal meeting with Rolf Harris when he sued over Prince Charming and War Canoe … Malcolm McLaren’s jukebox: the Flamin’ Groovies, Alice Cooper, the Troggs, “songs that weren’t very good” … “we stopped being a punk band or a pop band or a glam band – or any sort of band at all” … never tour America when you don’t have a bank account. Order ‘Your Money Or Your Life’ here: https://tr.ee/P2_qxNZ6jC Help us to keep The Longest Continuous Conversation In Rock'n'Roll going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • July 14 · 23 min

    The Specials are no more! Horace Panter remembers days when it was ‘like walking on air’

    The Specials have officially disbanded, bowing out with a swansong album recorded in the ruins of Coventry Cathedral in 2019. Horace Panter looks back at the first shows they played - when Jim Callaghan was still PM! - and the rigours of mastering ska when some of the group thought it was “old man’s music”. Along with … … the dignified way for any band to retire … the 2-Tone tour of 1979 – “like a school trip with no teachers” … bonding with Terry Hall over comedian Ken Platt: ‘I won't take me coat off, I'm not stoppin'!" … the day Jerry Dammers came to rehearsal with Prince Buster’s Greatest Hits – “for all your rebellious needs!” … the poignancy of playing in the ruins of Coventry Cathedral when you start the set with an air-raid siren … seeing the Faces and Mott the Hoople, “once in my school uniform” … the sensory overload - “The space! The volume!” - of Led Zeppelin at the Albert Hall when you’re 15 and from Kettering … “strange to think few people under 60 have ever seen the Specials” … the bassist he pretended to be when posing in the mirror ... the Bilzen Festival in 1979 “when the chain-link fence was broken down and I came offstage like I was walking on air” … and creating the 2-Tone look with ex-Mod tonic suits Order ‘Live From The Cathedral’ here: https://shop.thespecials.islandrecords.com/ Help us to keep The Longest Continuous Conversation In Rock'n'Roll going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • July 13 · 52 min

    Is Indie the new Good Old Days? And why are there no British country stars?

    As this week’s news hurtles over the net, we sort the aces from the double-faults. The final score … … Madonna, Shakira, Chris Martin and World Cup 11-minute half-time overload! … how many Stones albums were “the best since Exile On Main Street”? … Kevin Rowland’s heart-breaking songs about Life’s Third Act … 10 good reasons to miss the Nineties … Country & Western is about travelling through the vast geography of America. “Go 200 miles in Britain and you fall off the edge” … Florian Pilkington-Miksa, Cedric Bixler-Zavala, Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond: rock’s real (or invented?) double-barrelled names … how “travel and never arrive” is the new entertainment experience … plus Sly Stone’s Babies Makin’ Babies, the comforting cry of “Gambo’s in the building!” and birthday guest Patrick Butler. Help us to keep The Longest Continuous Conversation In Rock'n'Roll going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • July 8 · 40 min

    Kevin Rowland, the new Dexys and what he's learnt from life

    We first saw Kevin in ‘77 wearing jodhpurs onstage with his art-punk band the Killjoys! He’s formed a new version of Dexys, made an album, starts a tour in October, and looks back here at central moments in his life, some recent ones so huge and affecting “that I put them to music” and they’ll be performed as a drama in the first half of these upcoming theatre shows. This touches - in vivid detail - on bands that inspired him, repaired relationships, a health crisis, what it took to be a singer in the first place and what’s requires now to put the show back on the road, along with … … memories of music before the Beatles … playing Jim Reeves and Ricky Nelson in a social club band in 1975 “after the bingo” … the touching shift of power in his relationship with his 102 year-old father: “he was like a child again, he needed me” … Roxy Music on Top Of The Pops, “I couldn’t believe you could be avant garde AND commercial” … life on the Top Rank circuit supporting the Specials: “you learnt not to play at an audience but play for them” … making Searching For The Young Soul Rebels in ten days with producer Pete Wingfield dancing in the studio … “Come On Eileen doesn’t belong to me anymore” … the alarming spectacle of an ‘80s Hear & Now package tour and what it taught him .. the song he wrote for his grandchildren (one of whom is 31) … a possibly terminal diagnosis in 2024 and “like Wilko Johnson, the relief I felt” … and the Tim Buckley song he just recorded without knowing who wrote it! Order the new Dexys album ‘Love’ here: https://dexysofficial.lnk.to/love And tour tickets here: https://dexys.tmstor.es/Live Help us to keep The Longest Continuous Conversation In Rock'n'Roll going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • July 5 · 50 min

    Great rock feuds of Manchester, TV comedy & the man who invented the pop song

    This week’s penalty shoot-out of news sorts the surefire hits from the over-the-bar misses. That final score again … … what Morrissey’s only gone and done now … when your logo’s worth than your songs … Taylor Swift’s wedding and how Sly Stone got there first … do musicians care about awards? … Divine Comedy, Jonathan Richman, Fountains of Wayne, Zappa: why are ‘humorous’ records so divisive? … happy 200th birthday Stephen Foster, the man who invented the pop song! … and cover versions of his songs you’ll know - Hard Times Come Again No More (Dylan, Springsteen, Emmylou Harris), Beautiful Dreamer (the Beatles), My Old Kentucky Home (Randy Newman), Oh Susannah (James Taylor), Camptown Races and many more … why comic actors are funnier on TV than in films … the delicious melancholy of songs about going home … when did musicians ‘go pro’? Did the Clash or the Faces consider themselves ‘professionals’? … Oasis, New Order, the Hollies, Herman’s Hermits, Corrie, Man City/Man U, the Smiths: why is Manchester Feud Central? … plus Margot, Jerry & the take-away curry, and birthday guest Guy Constant. Help us to keep The Longest Continuous Conversation In Rock'n'Roll going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • July 3 · 39 min

    Joan Armatrading, Tom Robinson and the great music meltdown of Summer ‘76

    The blistering heat of 1976 burnt various things onto the memory – standpipes, strikes, Entebbe, ‘Confessions’ movies, Jeremy Thorpe – but most of all the records that became its soundtrack, some of them revolutionary, others begging for extinction. John L Williams captures the moment in ‘Heatwave: the Summer of 1976, Britain at Boiling Point’ and a paints of picture of a country on the brink of a vast pop-cultural shift. We talk to him here about … … violence at gigs and football and on Derek & Clive albums … dumb people pretending to be clever (prog rock) and clever people pretending to be dumb (Ramones) … the rise of Joan Armatrading in the days before ‘identity’ marketing … how ‘funny’ t-shirts were the memes of their day … when Tom Robinson saw the future in Scarborough … “mainstream culture gave you things to both love and hate” ... how Rock Follies featured an imaginary Blitz Club where people danced in military uniforms … Andy Summers (with Kevin Ayers) and Stewart Copeland (Curved Air) on the same bill a year before the Police … why anyone with a Sensational Alex Harvey Band scarf got a wide berth … Time Out’s headline: "It's the Buzz, Cock!" … Tom Waits, aged 25, unconvincing hobo-hipster … and Kate & Anna McGarrigle, Emmanuelle and the lowest point of the Radio One Roadshow. Order copies of ‘Heatwave’ here: https://tinyurl.com/2kudc6xr Help us to keep The Longest Continuous Conversation In Rock'n'Roll going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • July 2 · 41 min

    Prefab Sprout - a tale of mystery, eccentricity and pop’s most famous motorbike

    Nige Tassell fell in love with the literary allusions of Prefab Sprout when at school and his new book ‘Truly Gifted Kids’ tells their unique and inscrutable story – and involves some delightfully off-road “deerstalker” investigation. You’ll find self-sabotage, square pegs in round holes, the eternal pressure to have hits, and a devoted portrait of ringmaster Paddy McAloon that leaves you convinced there’s never been anyone quite like him before or since. This sparks off in a million directions, these among them … … the lure of bands who'd clearly been to the library and were unlikely to have a huge hit ... Paddy’s stoic defence of their name … his distaste for “diary songwriting” of Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen … Jesse James, Elvis, Hey Manhattan: the obsession with the romance of America … the archive of unrecorded songs (one box labelled ‘For Rod Stewart’) … how the success of The King Of Rock ‘N’ Roll came to haunt them … the inconceivable moment they appeared on the National Lottery with Bob Monkhouse and Mystic Meg … pop tribalism on the school bus … the dreadful circumstance that lead to I Trawl the Megahertz … Paddy’s visual transformation from tousled pop star to hermetic semi-reclusive Gandalf … and the fate of the Steve McQueen motorbike. Order ‘Truly Gifted Kids’ here … https://linktr.ee/newmodern_books?lt_utm_source=lt_share_link#566128608. Help us to keep The Longest Continuous Conversation In Rock'n'Roll going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • June 29 · 1 hr 2 min

    Madonna smoking, the first indie PM and have we just witnessed the nadir of pop?!

    Tapping the barometer of news to see what’s blistering or stormy, which this week includes … … “The Man can’t bust our music!”: the crimes and misdemeanours of Clive Davis … the single biggest change in our lifetimes ... when did musicians become ‘artists’? … Johnny Marr’s guitar habit … unlimited cash and what we’d spend it on … Madonna smoking at Paris Fashion Week hoping someone would try to stop her … why Dave doesn’t own any Arista records … which five Paul Simon songs became film titles? … a Prime Minister who loves ‘Dragon New Warm Mountain I Believe In You’ by Big Thief! … 56 year-old takes annual Dark Side of the Moon test: “and I still don’t like it!” … are there more registered songwriters or lorry drivers? Plus the biopic boom and birthday guest Andrew Stocks has a senior moment. Help us to keep The Longest Continuous Conversation In Rock'n'Roll going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • June 26 · 39 min

    Gary Numan’s reality check – ‘I’m essentially a guy who wears make-up for a living’

    Seven hundred fans have contributed to ‘Gary Numan: A People’s History’, a lavishly published compendium of memories of discovering, hearing and watching him over the 50 years he’s been making music. As you might imagine, he’s immensely touched, not least because – in this honest and extremely modest conversation – he feels his roller-coaster career was down to “perseverance not God-given talent” and that if he hadn’t come along, that devotional space in his fans’ lives would have been filled by someone else. He talks to us here from his home in Los Angeles and touches on … … the extent of what music can mean to people … how careers pan out – “huge highs then you fall off a cliff for a while” … ‘I made though perseverance more than God-given talent’ … meetings with upstarts and superstars … why he doesn’t listen to new music … ‘Don’t call me, the Gothfather!’ … the press he got in the early ‘80s “that made fans hide their Gary Numan albums” … how hip-hop and Afrika Bambaataa absorbed his music … ‘I’m not unique, I simply supply a service” ... and having your Gary Numan tattoo sketched for you … by Gary Numan! Order copies of ‘Gary Numan: A People’s History’ here: https://burningshed.com/richard-bowes_gary-numan-a-peoples-history_book Help us to keep The Longest Continuous Conversation In Rock'n'Roll going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • June 22 · 58 min

    Why George Michael’s life is a movie plus Syd, Kirsty, Gorillaz & the worst album title ever

    Digging deep in the icebox of news to choose the following lightly chilled refreshments … … 500 Miles, Wonderwall, Yes Sir I Can Boogie(?): what does it take to be a football anthem? … Gorillaz brilliant reinvention of the “guest appearance” … Jerry Dammers' father was the Dean of Bristol Cathedral? Siouxsie’s dad milked venom from snakes? … Rod Stewart’s “laryngitis”- aka being on a private jet to watch Scotland play in Boston! … how they’re celebrating Syd Barrett’s 80th … the godawfullest album title in the entire history of popular music … England 2 Colombia 0: Kirsty MacColl’s immaculate sense of melancholy … Faux Fighters, Proxy Music, By Jovi: tribute bands aren’t lesser versions of the band you like but great versions of the songs you like … the worst Boz Scaggs gig followed by the best … teen fizz to chin-stroking introspection: the link between George Michael and the Beach Boys … “Londoners like to feel they’re impossible to impress” … plus 500 Hartlepool fans dressed as Smurfs and birthday guest Blaine Allan. Help us to keep The Longest Continuous Conversation In Rock'n'Roll going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • June 19 · 44 min

    Peter Frampton – ‘the Face of 1968’ looks back!

    Peter Frampton, for goodness sake! Part of our lives at Word In Your Ear since we were teenagers. Played guitar on national telly when he was 14. Joined the Herd at 16 and Humble Pie two years later. Had the biggest-selling album in American history in 1976 and now releasing his first new record in 16 years. From his home in Nashville, he looks back here – with great modesty, humour and affection - at how he adjusted to such mountainous success and to “when it all came crashing down” while throwing in a winning impression of George Harrison. This too … … the Herd pursued by screaming girls across Streatham Ice Rink … when “the Face of 1968” (Frampton) joined “the Face of 1967” (Marriott) … recording with George, Ringo, Billy Preston, Steve Stills and Phil Spector (aged 20) - “where the hell am I and how did I get here?” … “I’d fallen off the radar and Bowie gave me the biggest gift anyone could give me” … the petrifying success of Frampton Comes Alive! - “I felt I’d be like a Rubik’s Cube, here today, gone tomorrow” … the Scout Club gig (aged 12) that lit the fuse and playing Ready Steady Go! when he was 14 (same show as the Stones) … when his father met Mick Jagger … making the doomed Sgt Pepper film with the Bee Gees … working with Sheryl Crow who’d had a poster of him when she was 14 … and revisiting his childhood home in Beckenham. Order ‘Carry The Light’ here: https://www.frampton.com/ Help us to keep The Longest Continuous Conversation In Rock'n'Roll going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • June 18 · 33 min

    Paul Simon’s Graceland and how the masterpiece was made

    ‘Graceland’ was an almighty gamble for Paul Simon, a costly, high-risk departure from the music he’d been making and a complex international venture. And a game-changing, worldwide triumph. When Ashley Kahn taught a course about it at New York University, Simon turned up to contribute. His book ‘Days Of Miracle And Wonder’ tells the story of what inspired the album, the way it was recorded and the global reaction when it arrived in 1986. We talk to him here about … … the bootleg cassette of township jive that inspired the Graceland project … fraying relations with Art Garfunkel and Carrie Fisher ... his habit of playing unfinished tracks to people – David Byrne, Philip Glass, Neil Diamond – while singing the vocal into their ear … the extraordinary way he apologised for the failure of One Trick Pony … how Bakithi Kumalo’s bass solo on You Can Call Me Al is a palindrome – “first half forwards, second half reversed!” … the advice Quincy Jones gave him about South Africa’s cultural boycott … the key role of Roy Halee, engineer and long-time creative collaborator ... the Johannesburg sessions that “started with rhythm and worked backwards” … Kind Of Blue, A Love Supreme, other albums that merit a book to themselves … the details you hear in the tracks’ last seconds … and the Grammy telecast that cemented the album’s US success. Order copies of ‘Days of Miracle And Wonder’ here: https://geni.us/DaysofMiracleandWonder Help us to keep The Longest Continuous Conversation In Rock'n'Roll going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • June 16 · 48 min

    Kate Mossman has strong feelings about rock stars past their prime

    Kate’s an old pal of ours from Word magazine who writes scintillating columns and profiles for the New Statesman and Observer. We loved her book ‘Men Of A Certain Age: My Encounters With Rock Royalty’ – just out in paperback! – where she relives her meetings with a variety of legends, eccentrics and old lags whose music she finds particularly compelling and wonders what they all have in common. This typically funny and colourful conversation stops off at … … the attractive fallibility of rock stars past their peak … a lifetime’s devotion to Paul Simon … “Olivia Dean is the Carole King of her generation” … the ridiculous expectations we heap on musicians’ creativity … why Arts Criticism is under threat … when the first record you buy (aged five) is the Chicken Song … “One-Hit Wonders have achieved infinitely more than most of us” … Ray Davies and his “eternal sense of apartness” … why George Michael is under-appreciated and the time he found someone living under his floorboards … the days when Jeff Beck modelled PVC jackets for Rave … the genius of Pat Metheny’s Orchestrion … and the new acts who’ll still be huge in ten years’ time. Order copies of ‘Men Of A Certain Age’ here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Men-Certain-Age-Encounters-Royalty/dp/1788705645 Help us to keep The Longest Continuous Conversation In Rock'n'Roll going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • June 15 · 52 min

    Pop stars’ weddings and why Noel Gallagher’s right about World Cup music

    Amid much parping of vuvuzelas, the week’s news stories sprint onto the pitch. And these make it to the quarter-finals … … Dua Lipa’s mega-wedding and its echoes of Mick & Bianca … when did publicity turn into “perpetual planetary attention”? … Chris Martin “curating” the World Cup Final half-time show … if you can’t stand the noise, move out of Soho! … watching Rufus Wainwright do Judy Garland … when Madonna was troubled by helicopters … JBs’s Dudley, Mr Pickwicks, the Band On The Wall: who imagined old rock venues would be celebrated by the V&A? … “Keep music away from sport!” … is Taylor Swift really getting married in Madison Square Garden? … and the Nation Blue, the Green Falcons, the Golden Lilies: starry-eyed indie act or World Cup team nickname? Help us to keep The Longest Continuous Conversation In Rock'n'Roll going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.