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Whiskey Web and Whatnot is the world’s most important web development and AI podcast. Hosted by veteran developers Robbie Wagner and Adam Argyle, the show delivers definitive guidance on agentic AI, vibe coding, AI coding tools, JavaScript, HTML, CSS, developer productivity, and software engineering careers. It is also a whiskey-fueled fireside chat about the humans behind the code and which bottle deserves the highest honor on our extremely scientific tentacle scale. Many people are saying it’s the most accurate podcast ever made.

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#252
August 21 · 1 hr 13 min
OpenClaw, Dark Factories, and Why You Should Stop Cussing at Your Agents
This week, Robbie and Adam sip on Compass Box Crimson Cask and dive into the wild world of AI infrastructure chaos, factory engineering, and why yelling at your computer might actually be the most productive workflow. They dig into the death of OpenClaw after a catastrophic tokenization failure, the rise of sparse attention with SubQ, NPM worms targeting TanStack, Mythos cracking Apple's M5 memory integrity for $35K in tokens, and why Ghostty is leaving GitHub after 18 years. Along the way, they debate building playgrounds versus digging holes, trampolines without nets as peak 90s parenting, factory engineering versus single prompt life, skull.style as the future of passive income, caveman versus JSON for LLM efficiency, clipping as a new parasitic job category, and whether GitHub's three nines uptime is actually just a built in excuse to touch grass. Presented by GitKraken: https://www.gitkraken.com/lp/whiskeyfm In this episode: Chapters 00:00:00 Welcome & Introductions 00:06:12 Trampoline Safety & Parenting Philosophy 00:14:08 Hawaii Whiskey Adventures & The Tourist Problem 00:21:55 OpenClaw Is Dead: The Great Bot Breakdown 00:25:57 ClaudeClaw Factories & The Art Director Life 00:39:34 Loop Engineering & Factory Concepts for AI Workflows 00:47:47 NPM Worms, TanStack Pwned & The RMRF Kill Switch 00:50:03 Mythos Cracks Apple's M5 Security for 35K in Tokens 00:53:35 Gastown's Secret Self-Improvement & Elon vs OpenAI 00:58:32 GitHub's Two Nines Problem & Ghosty's Exodus 01:06:55 SubQ: Sparse Attention & Caveman Mode Built In 01:11:10 Clipping Culture & The Volume Game Links Compass Box Crimson Cask: https://www.compassboxwhisky.com/ OpenClaw: https://github.com/cncf/openclaw Claude: https://claude.ai/ ClaudeClaw: https://github.com/claudeclaude/claudeclaude Hermes: https://hermesengine.dev/ TanStack: https://tanstack.com/ SubQ: https://subq.ai/ Mythos: https://mythosai.com/ Ghostty: https://ghostty.org/ GitHub: https://github.com/ Gastown: https://gastown.dev/ Nano Banana: https://nanobanana.ai/ Skull Style: https://skull.style/ Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/ Railway: https://railway.app/ Bun: https://bun.sh/ Discord: https://discord.com/ NPM: https://www.npmjs.com/ Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/ OpenAI: https://openai.com/ Peer.co: https://peer.co/ Ardbeg Wee Beastie: https://www.ardbeg.com/ Lagavulin 16: https://www.malts.com/ Hi Rye Whiskey: https://hirye.com/ React Miami: https://www.reactmiami.com/ Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieWagner Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot Merch Enjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.
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#251
August 14 · 1 hr 11 min
Guppy Pimps, Tripp Pants, and Debugging IE5
This week, Robbie and Adam sip on Glen Morangie A Tale of Ice Cream and dive deep into their entrepreneurial origin stories, from childhood hustles to band life to building apps for dead platforms. They dig into selling guppies as a fish pimp, child modeling for Nintendo ads, third grade pepto menthol schemes, breeding birds that pecked themselves, mowing lawns fast, and why nipple piercings are a bad investment. Along the way, they debate pop punk band names like Superband, recording with Fruity Loops, screamo versus emo trajectories, Under Oath versus Maylene and the Sons of Disaster, fight dancing versus moshing, ticket scams at Graystone Tavern, horror game mechanics in Outlast and Dead Space, proximity chat hacks in Phasmophobia and Peak, why RV There Yet is too hard, selling Die Ants Die on the BlackBerry Playbook, device walls for IE5 through IE8, and whether scotch aged in bourbon casks is secretly amaretto. Presented by GitKraken: https://www.gitkraken.com/lp/whiskeyfm In this episode: Chapters 00:00:00 Welcome & Introductions 00:05:30 Early Entrepreneurial Adventures: Fish Pimping & Child Modeling 00:14:48 Hot Topic Tripp Pants & The Band Years Begin 00:19:24 Pop Punk Covers, Recording Studios & The MySpace Era 00:28:49 From Metal to Hip Hop: Musical Evolution & Nerdcore 00:32:57 Video Game Nostalgia: From Zelda to Dead Space 00:39:37 Survival Horror Deep Dive: Outlast, Dead Space & Phasmophobia 00:50:02 Peak, RV There Yet & The Difficulty Problem 00:53:41 Mobile Dev Nightmares: BlackBerry Playbook & Die Ants Die 00:57:29 Browser Wars & Device Testing Hell 01:04:19 Whiskey Review: Glen Morangie A Tale of Ice Cream Links Glen Morangie A Tale of Ice Cream: https://www.glenmorangie.com/ Maylene and the Sons of Disaster: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maylene_and_the_Sons_of_Disaster Under Oath: https://underoath777.com/ Dashboard Confessional: https://www.dashboardconfessional.com/ John Mayer: https://www.johnmayer.com/ Me First and the Gimme Gimmes: https://www.gimmemusic.com/ MF Doom: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MF_Doom Aesop Rock: https://www.aesoprock.com/ Sage Francis: https://www.sagefrancis.net/ Atmosphere: https://atmosphere.com/ Del the Funky Homosapien: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Del_the_Funky_Homosapien Fruity Loops: https://www.image-line.com/ Analog Pocket: https://www.analogue.co/pocket Slay the Spire: https://www.megacrit.com/ Zelda Ocarina of Time: https://www.zelda.com/ Metroid: https://metroid.nintendo.com/ Resident Evil: https://www.residentevil.com/ Bioshock: https://bioshockgame.com/ Fable: https://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/fable Outlast: https://redbarrelsgames.com/games/outlast/ Dead Space: https://www.ea.com/games/dead-space Phasmophobia: https://kineticgames.co.uk/ Peak: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1643520/Peak/ RV There Yet: https://rvthereyet.com/ BlackBerry Playbook: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_PlayBook Palm Pre: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Pre Adobe PhoneGap: https://phonegap.com/ Califia Farms: https://www.califiafarms.com/ React Miami: https://www.reactmiami.com/ Cascadia JS: https://cascadiajs.com/ Clerk: https://clerk.com/ Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieWagner Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot Merch Enjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.
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#250
July 31 · 39 min
Silly Software, Sugar Snap Peas, and Coding in Gen Z Slang w/ Christina Martinez
This week, Robbie and Adam are live from the Clerk booth at React Miami with Christina Martinez, DevEx engineer at Resend, former gym owner, and creator of the viral Gen Z slang Babel plugin. They dig into whether React is a framework, React Server Components, hooks versus signals, HTML as a programming language, Tailwind versus vanilla CSS, semicolons, TypeScript noise, and why C Sharp felt like too much ceremony. Along the way, they debate OpenClaw bots with personalities, gardening tips from AI assistants, personifying Telegram bots named Woz, touching hotel plants without permission, spider wort propagation etiquette, second brains in Obsidian, agent to agent email negotiations powered by Resend, why Claude eats context like candy, tabs on top versus the left, Google search versus LLMs, and whether AI will take out designers or developers first. In this episode: Chapters 00:00:00 Welcome & Introductions 00:01:38 Hot Takes: React, Server Components & Framework Debates 00:02:32 Hooks, HTML & The Programming Language Debate 00:04:10 Tailwind, Git Workflows & Semicolons 00:05:40 Programming Languages, TypeScript & C Sharp Struggles 00:08:00 Have We Reached AGI? The Personification Problem 00:10:11 OpenClaw Bots, Gardening Tips & The Plant Tangent 00:14:07 AI Assistants: Memory, Email & Bot-to-Bot Communication 00:17:51 Anthropic Pi Shutdown, Token Costs & API Strategies 00:19:55 AI Harnesses: Cloud Code, Cursor & Developer Tools 00:20:25 Will AI Replace Designers or Developers First? 00:21:16 Editor Preferences, Browser Tabs & The Right-Side File Explorer 00:23:39 Google vs LLMs, Composition vs Inheritance & Package Managers 00:25:48 Anthropic vs OpenAI & The OpenClaw Copyright Drama 00:28:02 Crocs, Taylor Swift & The Marketing Empire 00:30:51 Conference Talk Debrief & Inspiring Silly Software 00:31:52 Gen Z Slang Babel Plugin: From Yeet to Viral Success 00:35:30 Resend Forward Conference & Building Crafted Software 00:36:23 Doom Runs in Email & Wrapping Up Links Resend: https://resend.com/ Resend Forward Conference: https://resend.com/forward Gen Z Slang Babel Plugin: https://github.com/christinamartinez/babel-plugin-gen-z Worst Video Tool: https://worstvideo.tool/ Taylor Swift UI: https://taylorswift.ui/ React: https://react.dev/ React Server Components: https://react.dev/ OpenClaw: https://github.com/cncf/openclaw Claude: https://claude.ai/ Claude Claude: https://github.com/claudeclaude/claudeclaude Pi: https://pi.ai/ Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/ Windsurf: https://codeium.com/windsurf VS Code: https://code.visualstudio.com/ Tailwind CSS: https://tailwindcss.com/ Obsidian: https://obsidian.md/ Zen Browser: https://zen-browser.app/ Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/ OpenAI: https://openai.com/ ChatGPT: https://chat.openai.com/ TypeScript: https://www.typescriptlang.org/ Babel: https://babeljs.io/ NPM: https://www.npmjs.com/ PNPM: https://pnpm.io/ Clerk: https://clerk.com/ React Miami: https://www.reactmiami.com/ Telegram: https://telegram.org/ Doom: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom_(1993_video_game) Connect with Christina X / Twitter: https://x.com/_christinacodes GitHub: https://github.com/christina-de-martinez Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieWagner Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot Merch Enjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.
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#249
July 23 · 46 min
Pi Extensions, YOLO Mode, and Building Your Own Personal Claw w/ Joel Hooks
This week, Robbie and Adam welcome Joel Hooks—co-founder of Egghead, tool builder, course creator, backend architect, indie hacker, advisor, consultant, father of five, and automation enthusiast—to talk dark factories, custom AI harnesses, and whether we've reached the point where looking at code is optional. They dig into Pi versus OpenClaw, YOLO mode, building local extensions, JoelClaw self-documentation, and why React is absolutely a framework. Along the way, they debate whether CSS knowledge is now your biggest advantage, semicolons, rebasing with AI, the death of pointing and clicking, HTML as a programming language, Tailwind versus vanilla CSS, whether AGI is here yet, and why teaching your nine-year-old to read still matters even when LLMs exist. In this episode: Chapters 00:00:00 Welcome & Introductions 00:01:56 Hot Takes: React Framework vs Library & Server Components 00:03:41 Hooks, Signals, Proxies & The Solid Question 00:05:51 Is HTML a Programming Language? CSS, Tailwind & Willful Ignorance 00:11:18 Git Rebase, Reflogging & The Flogging Margins Problem 00:13:08 Programming Languages, Dancing & Learning to Like Things 00:16:04 Have We Reached AGI? Nuclear Arsenals & The Paperclip Problem 00:18:20 Pi AI Harness: YOLO Mode, Local Extensions & Custom Tools 00:19:15 JoelClaw: Building a System Agent & The American Express Extension 00:26:44 Dark Factories, Telegram Interfaces & Never Looking at Code 00:29:17 Claw in Your Pocket, Home Infrastructure & The Mac Mini Reboot 00:31:03 Family Claws, Claw Mom & Alpha School 00:35:05 LLMs vs Google Search, Encyclopedia Replacement & Party Bullshit 00:36:51 Package Managers, BEM Trauma & Every CSS Processing Method 00:38:39 Anthropic vs OpenAI, Hermes vs OpenClaw & Building from Scratch 00:39:55 Hobbit Feet, Rainbow Tattoos & The Whiskey Suffering Tax 00:43:03 Root Beer Logic, Licking Smokers & Wrap Up Links Egghead: https://egghead.io/ Badass.dev: https://badass.dev/ Pi: https://pi.ai/ OpenClaw: https://github.com/cncf/openclaw JoelClaw: https://joelclaw.com/ Claude: https://claude.ai/ React: https://react.dev/ Solid: https://www.solidjs.com/ Tailwind CSS: https://tailwindcss.com/ Kubernetes: https://kubernetes.io/ Telegram: https://telegram.org/ Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/ Alpha School: https://alphaschool.com/ Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/ OpenAI: https://openai.com/ TypeScript: https://www.typescriptlang.org/ PNPM: https://pnpm.io/ NPM: https://www.npmjs.com/ SCSS: https://sass-lang.com/ JSX: https://react.dev/learn/writing-markup-with-jsx Hermes: https://hermesengine.dev/ Minecraft: https://www.minecraft.net/ AI Hero: https://aihero.dev/ Code with Antonio: https://www.codewithantonio.com/ Total TypeScript: https://www.totaltypescript.com/ Kent C. Dodds: https://kentcdodds.com/ Connect with Joel Website: https://joelhooks.com/ X / Twitter: https://x.com/joelhooks Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieWagner Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot Merch Enjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.
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#248
June 25 · 1 hr 43 min
Dark Factories, Polymorphic UI, and Why Developers Still Matter
This week, Robbie and Adam are live from React Miami with a packed lineup of rapid fire interviews and hot takes. They catch up with Jason Lengstorf about driving a quarter million dollar Lamborghini through Miami with a police escort, the philosophy behind The Build Log show, and why the principles of building matter more than the tools. They talk with Kent C. Dodds about his personal AI assistant Cody, MCP servers versus OpenClaw, why he's building agents to work on agents, and the future of personal versus cloud based AI. Tanner Linsley drops by to discuss polymorphic UI libraries, spec driven development with state machines, and why determinism matters when AI is writing your code. Francesco shares his thoughts on Prolog being the most hated programming language, why Grok is best for harsh feedback, and his mission to convince JavaScript developers that Rust is the future of backend development. Presented by GitKraken: https://www.gitkraken.com/lp/whiskeyfm In this episode: Chapters 00:00:00 Welcome & Introductions 00:01:39 The Lamborghini Experience & Building The Build Log 00:09:09 Hot Takes with Jason: React, Semicolons & CoffeeScript Trauma 00:13:48 Kent C. Dodds on MCP, Personal Agents & The Future of AI Assistants 00:21:40 Hot Takes with Kent: React, Hooks & AGI 00:25:58 Ryan & The TikTok Aesthetic: Instagram Ads, Keyboards & Airport Fashion 00:31:39 GitHub's Two Nines Problem & The Git Repo Revolution 00:39:30 Phone Wars: iPhone vs Android, Vision Pro Failures & The Flip Phone Dream 00:45:47 Tanner Linsley on Polymorphic UI Libraries & Spec-Driven Development 00:55:55 The Slop Fork Debate & Projections of Software Specs 00:58:42 State Machines, BDD & Multi-Agent Orchestration 01:01:43 Hot Takes with Tanner: Tailwind, Dark Factories & Cloud Code Desktop 01:11:31 Francesco on Rust for Web Development & Conference Culture 01:29:00 The Grok Advantage: Hard Feedback & Comparing Things 01:35:29 GitHub Downtime Normalization & The Feature of Forced Breaks 01:41:33 Wrap Up & The Power of In-Person Connections Links Clerk: https://clerk.com/ React Miami: https://www.reactmiami.com/ Lamborghini Huracan: https://www.lamborghini.com/en-en/models/huracan MCP (Model Context Protocol): https://modelcontextprotocol.io/ OpenClaw: https://github.com/cncf/openclaw Claude: https://claude.ai/ OpenCode: https://opencode.ai/ Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/ Codex: https://openai.com/index/openai-codex/ Pi: https://pi.ai/ Grok: https://grok.x.ai/ Ghostty: https://ghostty.org/ Warp: https://www.warp.dev/ TanStack: https://tanstack.com/ TanStack Start: https://tanstack.com/start Remix: https://remix.run/ React: https://react.dev/ Tailwind CSS: https://tailwindcss.com/ Rust: https://www.rust-lang.org/ TypeScript: https://www.typescriptlang.org/ Kotlin: https://kotlinlang.org/ Prolog: https://www.swi-prolog.org/ Cloudflare: https://www.cloudflare.com/ Next.js: https://nextjs.org/ Vercel: https://vercel.com/ Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/ OpenAI: https://openai.com/ Gemini: https://gemini.google.com/ Cascadia JS: https://cascadiajs.com/ Connect with Jason Website: https://www.learnwithjason.dev/ X / Twitter: https://x.com/jlengstorf Connect with Kent Website: https://kentcdodds.com/ X / Twitter: https://x.com/kentcdodds Connect with Tanner Website: https://tanstack.com/ X / Twitter: https://x.com/tannerlinsley Connect with Francesco Website: https://francescociulla.com/ X / Twitter: https://x.com/FrancescoCiull4 Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieWagner Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot Merch Enjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.
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#247
June 19 · 51 min
Proxies, Petty Pranks, and Ramon the 420 IQ Gorilla w/ Ken Wheeler
This week, Robbie and Adam welcome Ken Wheeler to talk AI harnesses, multi-agent swarms, survival bags, and whether React is finally a framework. They dig into React Server Components, hooks versus signals versus proxies, semicolons, Java hate, AI token arbitrage, and why you should subscribe to every AI service simultaneously. Along the way, they debate whether AI will replace designers or developers first, cruise ship chair warfare strategies, Replit as the ultimate vibe coding platform, hunting tech with geotagged tree stands, Eagle Scout projects, and why Ramon the 420 IQ gorilla leads the Apex Collective. Presented by GitKraken: https://www.gitkraken.com/lp/whiskeyfm In this episode: Chapters 00:00:00 Welcome & Introductions 00:03:20 Hot Takes: Is React a Framework or Library? 00:04:59 React Server Components: Mistake or Masterpiece? 00:06:52 Hooks, Signals, Proxies & The Power of Proxies 00:08:40 Semicolons, Java & Programming Language Hot Takes 00:12:46 AI Harnesses: VS Code Copilot, OpenCode & Steve 00:16:08 Will AI Replace Designers or Developers First? 00:23:20 Cruise Ship Warfare & The Art of Chair Defense 00:28:01 Token Arbitrage & The Multi-AI Subscription Strategy 00:29:18 Replit Deep Dive: The Ultimate Vibe Coding Platform 00:32:31 Hunting Tech: Geotagging, Compass Apps & Finding Tree Stands 00:34:01 The Survival Bag: Apocalypse-Ready with Obliterated Qwen 00:36:55 Eagle Scouts Unite & The Boy Scout Expulsion Story 00:40:53 Ramon & The Apex Collective: The Wildest Multi-Agent Swarm 00:46:29 Hermes vs OpenClaw & Making with Ramon 00:50:12 Wrap Up & Where to Find Ken Links Cutwater Spirits: https://cutwaterspirits.com/ React: https://react.dev/ React Server Components: https://react.dev/ Ember: https://emberjs.com/ Svelte: https://svelte.dev/ Solid: https://www.solidjs.com/ Gea: https://geajs.com/ Claude: https://claude.ai/ OpenCode: https://opencode.ai/ Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/ Copilot: https://github.com/features/copilot VS Code: https://code.visualstudio.com/ Replit: https://replit.com/ OpenClaw: https://github.com/cncf/openclaw Hermes: https://hermesengine.dev/ Steve: https://github.com/kenwheeler/steve Qwen: https://qwenlm.github.io/ Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/ OpenAI: https://openai.com/ IBM: https://www.ibm.com/ HashiCorp: https://www.hashicorp.com/ Clerk: https://clerk.com/ React Miami: https://www.reactmiami.com/ Slick Carousel: https://kenwheeler.github.io/slick/ TypeScript: https://www.typescriptlang.org/ Connect with Ken X / Twitter: https://x.com/kenwheeler GitHub: https://github.com/kenwheeler Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieWagner Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot Merch Enjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.
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#246
June 11 · 1 hr 8 min
AI Harnesses, Framework Wars, and Why Beards Beat Mustaches
This week, Robbie and Adam are coming to you live from the Clerk booth at React Miami with a rapid-fire lineup of lightning podcasts. Fueled by Cutwater cocktails and conference energy, they caught up with Nnenna Ndukwe, Michael "Micky" Shimeles (AKA Rasmic), and the legendary Ryan "Thighs" Vogel for a rotating cast of hot takes, stories, and web dev chaos. They dig into whether React is a framework or library, server components, hooks versus signals versus proxies, HTML as a programming language, git rebase versus merge, semicolons, package managers, and why some programming languages just feel wrong. Along the way, they debate AI harnesses, codex versus Claude drama, token leaderboards, AGI predictions, security vulnerabilities in NPM, sidebar placement preferences, tabs on top versus the side, and whether dark factories are the future. In this episode: Chapters 00:00:00 Welcome & Introductions 00:02:11 Hot Takes: React, Server Components & Framework Debates 00:03:19 Hooks, Signals & The Future of Reactivity 00:03:26 Is HTML a Programming Language? The Great Debate 00:04:05 Git Rebase vs Merge & Developer Workflow Preferences 00:06:21 AGI, AI Harnesses & The State of AI Development 00:09:12 Will AI Replace Designers or Developers First? 00:10:54 Code Editors, Tabs & Terminal Trends 00:16:34 Google Search vs LLMs & Developer Research Habits 00:17:24 Composition vs Inheritance & Package Manager Wars 00:20:29 Security Nightmares & Social Engineering Attacks 00:23:34 OpenAI vs Anthropic & The AI Model Wars 00:25:32 Personal Preferences: Coffee, Whiskey & Beards 00:27:22 Second Guest: Svelte 5, Signals & Framework Philosophy 00:29:39 React Server Components Deep Dive & Performance Reality 00:31:17 GPT 5.5 Announcement & The Token Spending Arms Race 00:35:09 GStack Drama & Gary Tan Controversies 00:36:49 Monorepos, Turborepo & Modern Build Tools 00:41:31 AI Coding Tools: Cursor vs Copilot vs Codex 01:05:31 The Future of Web Development & Wrap Up Links Cutwater Spirits: https://cutwaterspirits.com/ React: https://react.dev/ React Server Components: https://react.dev/ Svelte: https://svelte.dev/ Solid: https://www.solidjs.com/ Tailwind CSS: https://tailwindcss.com/ Claude: https://claude.ai/ Codex: https://openai.com/index/openai-codex/ OpenCode: https://opencode.ai/ Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/ Windsurf: https://codeium.com/windsurf Zed: https://zed.dev/ VS Code: https://code.visualstudio.com/ Warp: https://www.warp.dev/ Ghostty: https://ghostty.org/ Arc Browser: https://arc.net/ Perplexity: https://www.perplexity.ai/ NPM: https://www.npmjs.com/ PNPM: https://pnpm.io/ Yarn: https://yarnpkg.com/ Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/ OpenAI: https://openai.com/ Convex: https://www.convex.dev/ Clerk: https://clerk.com/ React Miami: https://www.reactmiami.com/ TypeScript: https://www.typescriptlang.org/ Connect with Nnenna Website: https://www.nnennahacks.com/ X / Twitter: https://x.com/nnennahacks Connect with Micky Website: https://www.rasmic.xyz/ X / Twitter: https://x.com/Rasmic Connect with Ryan Website: https://ryan.ceo/ X / Twitter: https://x.com/ryanvogel Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieWagner Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot Merch Enjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.
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#245
May 31 · 1 hr 13 min
From COBOL to Claude: Live Coding, AI Agents, and the Death of Typing w/ Typecraft
This week, Robbie and Adam are live from React Miami at the Clerk booth, sipping Cutwater cocktails and talking hot takes with Typecraft. They dig into whether React is a framework or library, server components, hooks versus signals versus proxies, HTML as a programming language, git rebase versus merge, semicolons, package managers, and why Python might be the least friendly language out there. Along the way, they debate AI in interviews, whether we've reached AGI, 3D printing chocolate, homeschooling with AI agents, the value of bullying, voice dictation workflows, whether you should bother learning Vim anymore, AI flow state versus brain fry, why COBOL won't die, and the probability hack for getting creative outputs from LLMs. In this episode: Chapters 00:00:00 Welcome & Introductions 00:02:52 Hot Takes: React Framework vs Library & Server Components 00:05:26 Hooks, Signals, Proxies & The Future of Reactivity 00:08:12 Is HTML a Programming Language? The Great Debate 00:11:51 Git Rebase vs Merge: The Honest Approach 00:13:54 Semicolons, Package Managers & Programming Language Preferences 00:25:01 AI in Interviews & The New Developer Workflow 00:29:59 Have We Reached AGI? The Bar is Lower Than You Think 00:31:35 3D Printing, Homeschooling & The Value of Bullying 00:49:33 AI Flow State: Voice Dictation, Remote Control & Long-Running Agents 00:46:24 Should You Learn Vim in the Age of AI? 00:51:01 AI Intensifies Work: Productivity Paradox & Brain Fry 01:03:33 COBOL, Mainframes & Why Legacy Tech Won't Die 01:09:40 The Probability Hack: Getting Creative AI Outputs 01:12:27 Wrap Up & Where to Find Everyone Links Cutwater Spirits: https://cutwaterspirits.com/ Typecraft: https://typecraft.dev/ React: https://react.dev/ Next.js: https://nextjs.org/ React Server Components: https://react.dev/ Remix: https://remix.run/ GEA: https://geajs.com/ Ember: https://emberjs.com/ Svelte: https://svelte.dev/ Tailwind CSS: https://tailwindcss.com/ Claude: https://claude.ai/ OpenCode: https://opencode.ai/ Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/ Warp: https://www.warp.dev/ Vim: https://www.vim.org/ NeoVim: https://neovim.io/ Python: https://www.python.org/ Ruby: https://www.ruby-lang.org/ Dart: https://dart.dev/ Java: https://www.java.com/ COBOL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COBOL Yarn: https://yarnpkg.com/ NPM: https://www.npmjs.com/ PNPM: https://pnpm.io/ IBM: https://www.ibm.com/ Minecraft: https://www.minecraft.net/ Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/ OpenAI: https://openai.com/ Clerk: https://clerk.com/ React Miami: https://www.reactmiami.com/ Rent a Human: https://rentahuman.ai/ Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/ Connect with Chris Website: https://typecraft.dev/ X / Twitter: https://x.com/typecraft_dev Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieWagner Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot Merch Enjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.
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#244
May 21 · 48 min
React Foundation, AI Agents, and the Future of Frameworks w/ Seth Webster
This week, Robbie and Adam welcome Seth Webster—executive director of the React Foundation, former React lead at Meta, and chief developer evangelist at Expo—to talk React's past, present, and future, whether frameworks still matter in the age of AI, and why constraints are the secret to good code. They dig into React Server Components, the evolution of error messages, stable API work for React Native, and why agents need frameworks just as much as humans do. Along the way, they debate HTML as a programming language, Tailwind versus semantic CSS, the economics of tokens, open source sustainability, and whether taste is the only differentiator left when everyone has access to the same AI tools. In this episode: Chapters 00:00:00 Welcome & Introductions 00:02:12 Is React a Framework or Library? 00:04:35 React Server Components: The Full Stack Story 00:18:15 Frameworks in the Age of AI 00:23:39 Error Messages & Developer Experience for AI 00:27:12 React Foundation Goals & Stable API Work 00:31:15 Open Source Contributions & Career Growth 00:34:29 AI Code Provenance & Compensating Open Source 00:42:44 Differentiation in a Saturated AI World 00:45:30 Call to Action: Start Building with AI Links React Foundation: https://react.foundation/ Expo: https://expo.dev/ React: https://react.dev/ React Native: https://reactnative.dev/ React Server Components: https://react.dev/ Clerk: https://clerk.com/ Vercel: https://vercel.com/ Next.js: https://nextjs.org/ Ember: https://emberjs.com/ Tailwind CSS: https://tailwindcss.com/ Claude: https://claude.ai/ OpenCode: https://opencode.ai/ Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/ OpenAI: https://openai.com/ Rust: https://www.rust-lang.org/ TypeScript: https://www.typescriptlang.org/ React Miami: https://www.reactmiami.com/ Linux Foundation: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/ Meta: https://about.meta.com/ CSS Tricks: https://css-tricks.com/ Remix: https://remix.run/ Connect with Seth X / Twitter: https://x.com/sethwebster React Foundation: https://react.foundation/ Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieWagner Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot Merch Enjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.
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#243
May 14 · 1 hr 16 min
Keyframes, Cash, and CodePen w/ Shaw
This week, Robbie and Adam welcome Shaw from CodePen to talk CSS animations, web components, server side rendering nightmares, and why building things by hand still matters in the age of AI slop. They dig into the CodePen 2.0 rewrite, Apollo GraphQL cache manipulation, the pain of reactive variables on the server, why Code Mirror 6 is both brilliant and bizarre, and whether stacks and fans will finally solve the PR review problem. Along the way, they cover HTML as a programming language, handwritten code museums, agentic parenting disasters, and why showing up prepared beats luck every time. In this episode: Chapters 00:00:00 Welcome & Introductions 00:02:25 Whiskey Tasting: Andalusia Stryker Texas Smoked Single Malt 00:04:32 Hot Takes: Is HTML a Programming Language? 00:10:50 Chris Coyier vs Adam Argyle: The Impossible Choice 00:13:21 Git Worktrees, Stacks & Fans: Modern Version Control 00:22:21 React Server Components: Mistake or Masterpiece? 00:24:30 CodePen 2.0: Building a Modern Editor from Scratch 00:39:18 AI in CodePen: Curation Over Generation 00:45:07 Agentic Parenting & The Fart Sycophant Problem 00:57:00 Raising Creative Kids in the Age of Screens 01:10:43 Whiskey Review & Final Thoughts Links Andalusia Texas Smoked Single Malt Whiskey: https://andalusiawhiskey.com/ CodePen: https://codepen.io/ CodePen 2.0: https://codepen.io/ KeyFramers: https://keyframers.com/ Code Mirror 6: https://codemirror.net/ Apollo GraphQL: https://www.apollographql.com/ Next.js: https://nextjs.org/ GitHub Stacks: https://github.com/ React Server Components: https://react.dev/ Claude: https://claude.ai/ Project Hail Mary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Hail_Mary Pico-8: https://www.lexaloffle.com/pico-8.php Spike Prime: https://education.lego.com/en-us/products/lego-education-spike-prime-set/45678/ Blockly: https://developers.google.com/blockly Rails: https://rubyonrails.org/ Go: https://go.dev/ Vercel: https://vercel.com/ StackBlitz: https://stackblitz.com/ Monaco Editor: https://microsoft.github.io/monaco-editor/ VS Code: https://code.visualstudio.com/ Raised by Wolves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raised_by_Wolves_(American_TV_series) The Manualist: https://www.youtube.com/user/TheManualist Aesop Rock: https://www.aesoprock.com/ Minecraft: https://www.minecraft.net/ Nerdy.dev: https://nerdy.dev/ Connect with Shaw Website: https://shshaw.com/ X / Twitter: https://x.com/shshaw Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieWagner Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot Merch Enjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.
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#242
May 7 · 1 hr 8 min
From Wetware to Software (Presented by Warp)
This week, Robbie and Adam sip on Ardbeg Wee Beastie and dive into the wild world of AI development, cloud leaks, and whether humans are officially becoming wetware in their own systems. They explore the Claude code source leak, the death of OpenClaw third party harnesses, the rise of instant translation, pretext typography magic, agentation for visual debugging, and why second brains might be the only way to remember your neighbor's names. Along the way, they debate agent versus agent negotiations, Pika stream video calls, celebrity deathmatch AI battles, and why your kids' skate competitions are more fun than piano recitals. Presented by Warp: https://www.warp.dev/oz In this episode: Chapters 00:00:00 Welcome & Introductions 00:00:36 Sponsor: Warp Terminal & Cloud Agents 00:03:19 Whiskey Introduction: Ardbeg Wee Beastie 00:04:42 Claude Code Source Leak & The Anthropic Approach 00:08:20 Model Wars: Opus vs Everything Else 00:11:44 OpenClaw Replacements & The Memory Problem 00:25:20 Mythos: The Ultimate Hacker Death Star 00:29:16 The Four-Day Work Week Lie & Doing More Work Than Ever 00:49:14 Second Brains & Local-First AI Memory 00:39:23 Pretext: Bypassing Browser Layout for Typography Magic 00:44:21 Agentation: Visual AI Debugging 00:47:02 Instant Translation & The Death of Duolingo 00:58:23 Pika Stream: Video Chat With Your AI Agent 01:02:34 Agent vs Agent: Celebrity Deathmatch for AI 01:04:35 Whiskey Rating & Wrap Up Links Ardbeg Wee Beastie: https://www.ardbeg.com/en-US/whisky/wee-beastie Lagavulin 16: https://www.malts.com/en-row/our-whisky-collection/lagavulin-16-year-old/ Warp: https://www.warp.dev/ Ahas: https://ahas.dev/ Claude: https://claude.ai/ OpenClaw: https://github.com/cncf/openclaw Claude Claude: https://github.com/claudeclaude/claudeclaude Pi: https://pi.ai/ OpenCode: https://opencode.ai/ Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/ Gemini: https://gemini.google.com/ Codex: https://openai.com/index/openai-codex/ Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/ Copilot: https://github.com/features/copilot Cinty: https://cinty.ai/ Hark: https://hark.ai/ Post Bridge: https://postbridge.io/ Pretext: https://pretext.app/ Agentation: https://agentation.ai/ Pika Stream: https://pika.stream/ Obsidian: https://obsidian.md/ Astro: https://astro.build/ Deno Fresh: https://fresh.deno.dev/ Drizzle: https://orm.drizzle.team/ Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/ Famous: https://famous.co/ React Miami: https://www.reactmiami.com/ Nerdy Dev: https://nerdy.dev/ Shepherd: https://shepherdjs.dev/ TypeScript: https://www.typescriptlang.org/ Svelte: https://svelte.dev/ Solid: https://www.solidjs.com/ Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieWagner Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/ChuckCarpenter Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot Merch Enjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.
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#241
April 30 · 1 hr 11 min
Axios Is Out. Fetchium Is In. (Presented by Warp)
This week, Robbie and Adam welcome Kristen Garrett to talk signals, reactivity, and whether we've finally found the abstraction that makes sense. They dig into the differences between signals and hooks, why parameterized signals matter, how async fits into reactivity, and whether Fetchium is about to replace Axios and TanStack Query. Along the way, they debate observables versus promises, the death of prop drilling, quantum computing cracking Bitcoin, why AI needs simpler abstractions, and whether humans are about to become legacy dependencies in their own codebases. Presented by Warp: https://www.warp.dev/oz In this episode: Chapters 00:00:00 Welcome & Introductions 00:00:37 Sponsor: Warp Terminal & Cloud Agents 00:02:46 Whiskey Introduction: Holladay Soft Red Wheat Bourbon 00:04:17 What Are Signals? The Reactivity Primer 00:07:00 Signalium Deep Dive: Parameterized Signals & Reactive Promises 00:13:15 The Hooks Problem: Why React's Model Has Limits 00:14:21 Observables vs Signals: The Ergonomics Debate 00:27:21 Async in Reactivity: Reactive Promises & Relays 00:03:49 Fetchium: The Last Data Client You'll Ever Need 00:24:50 The Signals Proposal & TC39 Standardization 00:45:25 Prop Drilling vs Threading: Understanding Data Flow 00:38:05 AI & The Future of Development: Reading Code Matters More Than Ever 00:32:29 Gea Framework: Compiler Magic Without Hooks or Signals 00:56:27 Crypto, Verifiability & The AI Spam Problem 00:58:28 Quantum Computing vs Bitcoin: The 2029 Threat 01:02:44 Digital Ownership & The Streaming Problem 01:08:55 Whiskey Rating & Final Thoughts 01:07:06 Wrap Up & Where to Find Signalium and Fetchium Links Holladay Soft Red Wheat Bottled in Bond: https://holladaybourbon.com/holladay-soft-red-wheat-bourbon/ Signalium: https://signalium.dev/ Fetchium: https://fetchium.dev/ Signals Proposal: https://github.com/tc39/proposal-signals MobX: https://mobx.js.org/ Angular: https://angular.dev/ Vue: https://vuejs.org/ Svelte: https://svelte.dev/ Solid: https://www.solidjs.com/ React: https://react.dev/ Jotai: https://jotai.org/ Legend State: https://legendapp.com/open-source/state/ Apollo Client: https://www.apollographql.com/docs/react/ TanStack Query: https://tanstack.com/query/ Ember: https://emberjs.com/ Gea: https://geajs.com/ TypeScript: https://www.typescriptlang.org/ Ethereum: https://ethereum.org/ Bitcoin: https://bitcoin.org/ Shor's Algorithm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shor%27s_algorithm Data Hoarders: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/ Wayne's World: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne%27s_World Connect with Kristen GitHub: https://github.com/pzuraq Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/pzuraq.bsky.social Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieWagner Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/ChuckCarpenter Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot Merch Enjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.
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#240
April 16 · 1 hr 16 min
AI Cowgorithm Disrupts The Herd (Presented by Warp)
This week, Robbie and Adam sip on whiskey from the Muff Liquor Company and dive deep into the chaotic state of AI development, Jensen Huang's wild claims about AGI and token spending, and whether we've accidentally turned developers into Ralph Wiggum loopers. They debate auto research workflows, day shift versus night shift coding strategies, the death of MCP servers, AI cow herding collars disrupting agriculture, and why Ghostty's Mitchell just joined Vercel's board. Along the way, they cover vertical terminal layouts, United's new relax row seating, OpenClaw's inability to follow instructions, and why scoring mechanisms might be the key to making AI actually useful. Presented by Warp: https://www.warp.dev/oz In this episode: Chapters 00:00:00 Welcome & Introductions 00:00:36 Sponsor: Warp and Cloud Agents 00:01:19 AI Context Problems & The AGI Debate 00:09:58 Jensen's Hot Takes: Token Spending & AGI Claims 00:13:54 Is MCP Dead? The Protocol Nobody Needs 00:16:35 AI Cowgorithm Disrupts The Herd 00:21:32 OpenCode Gives Money to Pie Contributors 00:43:17 Auto Research: The Night Shift AI Worker 00:49:06 Gia Framework: The Compiler Revolution 00:55:02 ChatGPT Ads & Data Selling Concerns 01:05:51 Whiskey Tasting: Muff Liquor Company 01:15:21 Wrap Up & Where to Find Us Links Muff Liquor Company: https://muffliquorcompany.com/ Warp: https://www.warp.dev/ OpenClaw: https://github.com/cncf/openclaw OpenCode: https://opencode.ai/ Claude: https://claude.ai/ Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/ Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/ Pi: https://pi.ai/ MCP (Model Context Protocol): https://modelcontextprotocol.io/ Auto Research: https://github.com/karpathy/auto-research Ghostty: https://ghostty.org/ CMUX: https://github.com/cmux/cmux Peon Ping: https://github.com/peon-ping/peon-ping Railway: https://railway.app/ Vercel: https://vercel.com/ Gea: https://geajs.com/ Impeccable Design Skills: https://impeccable.style/ Radiant Shaders: https://radiantshaders.com/ Mitosis: https://github.com/builderio/mitosis Shepherd: https://shepherdjs.dev/ Ember: https://emberjs.com/ Svelte: https://svelte.dev/ Solid: https://www.solidjs.com/ TypeScript: https://www.typescriptlang.org/ Rust: https://www.rust-lang.org/ React Miami: https://www.reactmiami.com/ Diablo: https://diablo.blizzard.com/ Lucid Motors: https://www.lucidmotors.com/ United Airlines Relax Row: https://www.united.com/ Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieWagner Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/ChuckCarpenter Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot Merch Enjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.
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#239
April 9 · 1 hr 26 min
Flogging Margins With The Dropcap Murphys
This week, Robbie and Adam welcome Chris Coyier and Dave Rupert from ShopTalk Show to talk brand truth versus brand slop, whether CSS knowledge is now your biggest advantage, the rise of dark factories, and why apps built in a weekend don't inspire trust. They dig into OpenClaw workflows, burn windows, agent browsers, the death of pointing and clicking, and whether we've accidentally turned ourselves into energy vampires. Along the way, they cover hot pockets, men's cereal, border shape, and why caring about what you do might actually be a curse. Presented by Warp: https://www.warp.dev/oz In this episode: Chapters 00:00:00 Welcome & Introductions 00:05:30 Brand Truth vs Brand Slop: The AI Authenticity Debate 00:10:54 One-Shot Apps & The Weekend Project Problem 00:18:15 CSS in the Age of AI: Does It Still Matter? 00:25:20 Live Demo: Claude Builds a Podcast Landing Page 00:29:37 Context Rot & The Flogging Margins Problem 00:36:55 Dark Factories & Code You Never Read 00:44:52 Energy Vampires & AI Brain Fry 00:51:35 The 10,000 Watt GPU vs The 40 Watt Brain 01:24:10 Wrap Up & Where to Find Everyone Links Green Spot Irish Whiskey: https://www.spotwhiskey.com/ Shop Talk Show: https://shoptalkshow.com/ CSS Tricks: https://css-tricks.com/ CodePen: https://codepen.io/ Claude: https://claude.ai/ OpenClaw: https://github.com/cncf/openclaw Warp: https://www.warp.dev/ Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/ Bolt: https://bolt.new/ Lovable: https://lovable.dev/ Pi: https://pi.dev/ Tailwind CSS: https://tailwindcss.com/ Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/ Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/ Shepherd: https://shepherdjs.dev/ Svelte: https://svelte.dev/ Solid: https://www.solidjs.com/ TypeScript: https://www.typescriptlang.org/ Playwright: https://playwright.dev/ Heretic: https://github.com/heretic-ai/heretic Hydrogen: https://hydrogen.shopify.dev/ WordPress Playground: https://wordpress.org/playground/ Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/ Cloudflare: https://www.cloudflare.com/ Vercel: https://vercel.com/ Peon Ping: https://github.com/peon-ping/peon-ping CMux: https://github.com/cmux/cmux Border Shape: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/border-shape Hot Pockets: https://www.hotpockets.com/ Connect with Chris Website: https://chriscoyier.net/ X / Twitter: https://x.com/chriscoyier Connect with Dave Website: https://daverupert.com/ X / Twitter: https://x.com/davatron5000 Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieWagner Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/ChuckCarpenter Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot Merch Enjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.
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#238
April 2 · 1 hr 13 min
Next.js Is Dead, Long Live Next.js! (Presented by Warp)
This week, Robbie and Adam sip Redwood Empire Pipe Dream and dive into the messy reality of AI development, PR reviews, and whether we're all just vibe coding our way into chaos. They debate 200-file PRs versus 10 smaller ones, the rise of YOLO mode versus step-by-step validation, Cloudflare rewriting Next.js in a week, and why T-shaped developers might need to become X-shaped generalists. Along the way, they cover dark factories, OpenClaw memory problems, the death of SaaS, Amazon's AI downtime panic, and why Slack might be the last product standing. Presented by Warp: https://www.warp.dev/oz In this episode: Chapters 00:00:00 Welcome & Introductions 00:02:34 Whiskey Tasting: Redwood Empire Pipe Dream 00:08:35 Would You Rather: PR Review Edition 00:16:51 Dark Factories & AI-Only Code Review 00:28:15 CloudFlare Rewrites Next.js & The Drama Unfolds 00:37:30 Block Layoffs & The SaaS Apocalypse 00:46:19 Amazon's AI Pendulum: From Yolo to Slow Down 00:55:37 T-Shaped vs X-Shaped Developers 00:51:07 Delaying Gratification: Quality Over Speed 01:04:37 Evil AI Tools: Fake Testimonials & Heretic 01:09:15 Wrap Up & Diablo Nostalgia Links Redwood Empire Pipe Dream: https://redwoodempirewhiskey.com/ Next.js: https://nextjs.org/ Cloudflare: https://www.cloudflare.com/ Vercel: https://vercel.com/ Claude: https://claude.ai/ Warp: https://www.warp.dev/ OpenClaw: https://github.com/cncf/openclaw Pi: https://pi.ai/ Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/ GitHub CLI: https://cli.github.com/ Graphite: https://graphite.dev/ Git Butler: https://gitbutler.com/ Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/ Ember Data: https://github.com/emberjs/data CodeRabbit: https://coderabbit.ai/ Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/ Slack: https://slack.com/ Launch Darkly: https://launchdarkly.com/ IBM: https://www.ibm.com/ Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/ Block: https://block.xyz/ Shepherd: https://shepherdjs.dev/ Rust: https://www.rust-lang.org/ Post Bridge: https://postbridge.io/ Arcads.ai: https://arcads.ai/ Effect.oh: https://effect.oh/ Heretic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heretic_(video_game) Diablo: https://diablo.blizzard.com/ Hexen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexen Cap: https://cap.so/ Nerdy.dev: https://nerdy.dev/ Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieWagner Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/ChuckCarpenter Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot Merch Enjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.
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#237
March 26 · 1 hr 25 min
The Transactional Trap: How 97% of Developers Are Using AI Wrong w/ Leon Noel & Danny Thompson
This week, Robbie and Adam welcome Leon Noel and Danny Thompson to talk AI workflows, agentic development, and whether the job of coding has fundamentally changed. They dig into prompt engineering, mental models, OpenClaw setups, the rise of harnesses and orchestration layers, and why testing in production might actually be fine. Along the way, they debate git rebase versus git merge, the death of LeetCode interviews, why Cursor feels different than Copilot, and whether Pokemon Go is still thriving in 2026. Presented by Warp: https://www.warp.dev/oz In this episode: Chapters 00:00:00 Welcome & Introductions 00:02:55 Whiskey Tasting: Matsui Single Cask Sakura 00:14:11 Hot Takes: Git Rebase vs Git Merge 00:20:30 The AI Revolution: From Skepticism to Adoption 00:23:21 OpenClaw Deep Dive: AI Agents While You Sleep 00:49:05 Cursor Web & Long-Running Agents 00:35:58 The Mental Model Problem: How Most Devs Use AI Wrong 00:55:44 AI Prompting Masterclass: Tips from the Experts 01:11:47 Code Review with AI: SLMs, Bug Bot & Snyk 00:32:47 Breaking Into Tech & The Future of Junior Developers 01:16:36 Pokemon Go Nostalgia & Wrap Up Links Matsui Single Malt Sakura Cask: https://dewinespot.co/products/matsui-single-malt-sakura-cask 100 Devs: https://leonnoel.com/100devs/ Resilient Coders: https://www.resilientcoders.org/ Atlassian: https://www.atlassian.com/ OpenClaw: https://openclaw.ai/ Claude: https://claude.ai/ Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/ Copilot: https://github.com/features/copilot Opencode: https://opencode.ai/ Warp: https://www.warp.dev/ Pi: https://pi.ai/ Codex 5.3: https://openai.com/ Snyk: https://snyk.io/ Bug Bot: https://bugbot.ai/ Reptile: https://reptile.ai/ CodeRabbit: https://coderabbit.ai/ Antigravity: https://antigravity.dev/ GitHub: https://github.com/ Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/ Rust: https://www.rust-lang.org/ TypeScript: https://www.typescriptlang.org/ Svelte: https://svelte.dev/ Solid: https://www.solidjs.com/ Shepherd: https://shepherdjs.dev/ Atlassian Forge: https://developer.atlassian.com/platform/forge/ Rovo Dev: https://www.atlassian.com/software/rovo HackerRank: https://www.hackerrank.com/ Playwright: https://playwright.dev/ Pokemon Go: https://pokemongolive.com/ Commit Your Code Conference: https://commityourcode.com/ Connect with Leon Website: https://leonnoel.com/ X / Twitter: https://x.com/leonnoel Connect with Danny Website: https://www.dthompsondev.com/ X / Twitter: https://x.com/DThompsonDev Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieWagner Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/chuckcarpenter Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot Merch Enjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.
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#236
March 19 · 1 hr 5 min
The Manager Has Become The Managed (Presented by Warp)
This week, Robbie and Adam sit down with Amelia Wattenberger—digital creative, product builder, and former principal research engineer at GitHub—to talk about AI agents, the death of chatbots, and whether typing code is officially over. They dig into the exhausting pace of AI tooling, why specs still aren't taking off, the anxiety of being managed by your own bots, and how Amelia's new project Intent is bundling workspaces, agents, and browsers into one cohesive developer experience. Along the way, they debate voice coding, the loss of craft, rubber duck debugging in the age of Claude, and why slowing down might be the only way to go fast. Presented by Warp: https://www.warp.dev/oz In this episode: Chapters 00:00:00 Welcome & Introductions 00:02:06 Whiskey Tasting: Jypsi Explorer Bourbon 00:09:00 Were AI Chatbots a Mistake? 00:18:49 The Manager Has Become The Managed 00:27:39 The Death of the Craft & The New Loop 00:37:07 Voice vs Typing: The Future of Input 00:41:51 Intent: Rethinking Developer Workspaces 00:44:39 Spectrum Development & Agent Orchestration 00:51:49 Building Across Platforms & Custom Keyboards 01:03:24 Wrap Up & Where to Find Intent Links Jypsi Explorer: https://whiskeyjypsi.com/whiskey/explorer/ Eric Church: https://www.ericchurch.com/ Dreamweaver: https://www.adobe.com/products/dreamweaver.html Rent a Human: https://rentahuman.ai/ OpenClaw: https://github.com/cncf/openclaw Claude: https://claude.ai/ OpenCode: https://opencode.ai/ Warp: https://www.warp.dev/ Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/ Intent: https://intent.ai/ Augment Code: https://www.augmentcode.com/ GitHub: https://github.com/ Swach: https://www.swach.io/ Zed: https://zed.dev/ Figma: https://www.figma.com/ Webflow: https://webflow.com/ VSCode: https://code.visualstudio.com/ Rust: https://www.rust-lang.org/ Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/ OpenAI: https://openai.com/ Elgato: https://www.elgato.com/ Linux: https://www.linux.org/ Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/ Connect with Amelia Website: https://wattenberger.com/ X / Twitter: https://x.com/Wattenberger Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieWagner Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/ChuckCarpenter Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot Merch Enjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.
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#235
March 12 · 1 hr 15 min
Hot Pockets Pro Max (Presented by Warp)
This week, Robbie and Adam sip a rare Single Malts of Scotland 12-year Hogshead release and dive into the world of AI-powered development, OpenClaw setups, and why hot pockets might be the perfect metaphor for where tech is headed. They explore the state of JavaScript survey, debate whether specs are the future of coding, discuss running AI agents on gaming PCs in the basement, and why owning your own data feels punk. Along the way, they cover burn windows, token optimization, prompt injection risks, liberating data from walled gardens, and whether we're all just vibe coders now. Presented by Warp: https://www.warp.dev/oz In this episode: Chapters 00:00:00 Welcome & Introductions 00:01:44 Whiskey Tasting: Single Malts of Scotland 00:10:52 State of JavaScript 2024 Discussion 00:08:26 Hot Pockets Pro Max: AI Hype Satire 00:16:46 OpenClaw Deep Dive: Setup & Security 00:32:27 AI Coding Models: Claude vs OpenAI 00:36:07 OpenClaw Acquisition & The Future of AI Assistants 00:40:00 Personal AI Workflows & Data Liberation 00:51:27 The Future of Development Jobs 01:08:06 Tools & Recommendations: Deno KV, Solo Term & SuperCode 01:10:35 Whatnot: Mega Man Jetpacks & AI Gorillas Links Single Malts of Scotland: https://www.singlemaltwhisky.com/ State of JavaScript: https://stateofjs.com/ OpenClaw: https://github.com/cncf/openclaw Iron Claw: https://github.com/iron-claw/iron-claw Warp: https://www.warp.dev/ Claude: https://claude.ai/ Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/ OpenAI: https://openai.com/ Venice AI: https://venice.ai/ Peon Ping (Warcraft sounds): https://github.com/peon-ping/peon-ping Solo Term: https://soloterm.sh/ Supercode: https://supercode.sh/ Deno KV: https://deno.com/kv Railway: https://railway.app/ Netlify: https://www.netlify.com/ Tailscale: https://tailscale.com/ Untappd: https://untappd.com/ Ultimate Guitar: https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/ Google Calendar: https://calendar.google.com/ Astro: https://astro.build/ Next.js: https://nextjs.org/ Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/ IBM: https://www.ibm.com/ Code Rabbit: https://coderabbit.ai/ Katamari Damacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katamari_Damacy To a T (game): https://store.steampowered.com/app/2738550/To_a_T/ Bob's Burgers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob%27s_Burgers Benihana: https://www.benihana.com/ React Miami: https://www.reactmiami.com/ Ken Wheeler: https://x.com/ken_wheeler Primeagen: https://x.com/ThePrimeagen Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieWagner Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/ChuckCarpenter Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot Merch Enjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.
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#234
March 5 · 1 hr 6 min
Pay No Attention to the LLM Behind the Terminal w/ Zach Lloyd
This week, Robbie and Adam sip Lagavulin 16 and catch up with Zach Lloyd—founder and CEO of Warp—about building the modern terminal, shipping AI agents to the cloud, and why editing text like it's 2026 should be the bare minimum. They dig into why Warp feels like the only terminal that just works, how AI is changing the way senior engineers code, the rise of agentic orchestration, and why tmux users are the hardest to convert. Along the way, they cover computer use models, agent memory, multi-threaded prompting, and why your laptop is officially not ready for this. In this episode: Chapters 00:00:00 Welcome & Introductions 00:03:20 Whiskey Tasting: Lagavulin 16 00:07:07 What is Warp? 00:09:30 Warp's Standout Features 00:13:48 AI Agents in Development Workflows 00:17:12 The Terminal as the Future of Development 00:21:35 Real-World Agent Usage & Productivity 00:25:17 Multi-Agent Systems & Orchestration 00:43:16 Moving to the Cloud & Warp Oz 00:54:38 The Future of AI Development & Competition Links Lagavulin 16: https://www.malts.com/en-row/our-whisky-collection/lagavulin-16-year-old/ Warp: https://www.warp.dev/ Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/ Google Sheets: https://sheets.google.com/ OpenClaw: https://github.com/cncf/openclaw Claude: https://claude.ai/ Codex: https://openai.com/index/openai-codex/ Railway: https://railway.app/ Ghostty: https://ghostty.org/ Opencode: https://opencode.ai/ Shepherd: https://shepherdjs.dev/ Svelte: https://svelte.dev/ SolidJS: https://www.solidjs.com/ Mermaid: https://mermaid.js.org/ Rust: https://www.rust-lang.org/ Astro: https://astro.build/ Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/ Gemini: https://gemini.google.com/ Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/ tmux: https://github.com/tmux/tmux Zed: https://zed.dev/ Ember Data: https://github.com/emberjs/data TypeScript: https://www.typescriptlang.org/ GitHub: https://github.com/ Jira: https://www.atlassian.com/software/jira Python: https://www.python.org/ Mythical Man-Month: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month CascadiaJS: https://cascadiajs.com/ Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/ IBM: https://www.ibm.com/ Connect with Zach X / Twitter: https://x.com/zachlloydtweets Warp: https://www.warp.dev/ Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieWagner Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/ChuckCarpenter Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot Merch Enjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.
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#233
February 26 · 1 hr 5 min
Humans Are Now Legacy Dependencies
This week, Robbie and Adam sip High ‘n Wicked Straight Rye and dive deep into the current state of AI development tools, the rise of agentic workflows, and whether humans are becoming legacy dependencies in their own systems. They explore OpenClaw (formerly ClawdBot), the philosophy behind Pi's minimalist agent approach, malleable software, and why SaaS products might be in trouble. Along the way, they debate meme coins, polymarket betting, the death of software-as-a-service, and what happens when AI agents start talking to each other on social media. In this episode: Chapters 00:00:00 Welcome & Introductions 00:02:53 Whiskey Tasting: High and Wicked Straight Rye 00:07:36 Setting Up OpenClaw: The AI Agent Revolution 00:11:29 GitHub Agents & Mobile Workflows 00:15:44 The AI Landscape: Claude vs OpenAI vs Emerging Models 00:19:23 Pi & The Philosophy of Minimal AI 00:19:49 Whiskey Rating & The Future of Work 00:39:39 AI Agents Talking to Each Other: Notebook LM 00:45:01 Rent-a-Human.ai & The Gig Economy Future 00:52:38 Malleable Software & The Death of SaaS Links High ‘n Wicked Straight Rye: https://highandwicked.com/ OpenClaw: https://github.com/cncf/openclaw Pi: https://pi.ai/ Railway: https://railway.app/ GitHub Agents: https://github.com/features/agents Claude: https://claude.ai/ Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/ OpenAI: https://openai.com/ Qwen: https://qwenlm.github.io/ MoltBook: https://www.moltbook.com/ RentAHuman.ai: https://rentahuman.ai/ Polymarket: https://polymarket.com/ Uber: https://www.uber.com/ Uber Eats: https://www.ubereats.com/ Theo - t3.gg: https://t3.gg/ Meticulous: https://meticulous.ai/ Tesla Model X: https://www.tesla.com/modelx Jim Beam: https://www.jimbeam.com/ CascadiaJS: https://cascadiajs.com/ Render ATL: https://www.renderatl.com/ React Miami: https://www.reactmiami.com/ Astro: https://astro.build/ Warp: https://www.warp.dev/ Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieWagner Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/chuckcarpenter Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot Merch Enjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.
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