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Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman

Getting to know the music makers out on the fringes

On Whatever Comes Next I explore the world of independent and underground music making. I talk with music makers, producers and label owners to hear their stories. I like music with a sense of mystery. I like surprises and unique stories... and noise... and weirdness... and darkness... and I want to learn more.

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Wednesday · 54 min
Episode 155: mr.phylzzz
Chicago, Illinois’ mr.phylzzz (that’s pronounced Mr. Flies, by the way) don’t play by your rules… or their rules, or anyone else’s rules really. Created ten years ago by guitarist and vocalist (and former comedian) Clinton Jacob as an outlet for wacky and humorous musical tomfoolery, mr.phylzzz will do as mr.phylzzz does. With Danny Sein on drums completing the lineup, mr.phylzzz release their latest album Fear the Lord on the 4th of September on legendary underground label Amphetamine Reptile. Join us as we discuss the forthcoming record, working with AmRep owner Tom Hazelmyer, crows, comedy, the duo’s forthcoming tour and peanut butter. Visit mr.phylzzz.com and check out all upcoming tour dates mr.phylzzz on bandcamp Photo: Madison Rease Thanks to Curran at The Chain For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
August 21 · 51 min
Episode 154: Michael “Kidd Funkadelic” Hampton
While the surreal, psychedelic funk-rock world of George Clinton and his main musical outlets Parliament and Funkadelic isn’t exactly a story of the DIY underground it’s certainly one outside of the mainstream—with an influence that stretches everywhere from hip-hop to Dutch blackened post-punk (see Amsterdam’s Ainsoph covering “Maggot Brain”). Guitarist Michael “Kidd Funkadelic” Hampton found himself a part of that world back in the mid-70s as a precocious and impressionable teenager. With Hampton recently releasing his latest mini-album King Kong (Sound Mind Records/ Lightyear/ Virgin Records/UMG) the guitarist joins me to discuss his latest recordings, tales of wild times recording and performing in the George Clinton universe, plus some of the other many musical projects he’s been involved with over the years with notable names such as Bootsy Collins, Afrika Bambaataa, Bill Laswell and Dean Ween. Album art: Philip Smith Thanks to Howard at Howlin Wuelf Buy and stream King Kong Michael Hampton on Instagram For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
August 12 · 49 min
Episode 153: Greg Wilkinson (Deathgrave)
When not operating Oakland, California’s Earhammer Studio (and working with bands like Necrot, High On Fire and Ulthar), Greg Wilkinson makes his own extreme music. These days Wilkinson’s multiple active bands include death-metal unit Static Abyss, legendary gore enthusiasts Autopsy (who Wilkinson joined the ranks of in recent years) and punk-grind-metal concoction Deathgrave—whose latest record Hell Is Evil comes out on Tankcrimes on the 21st of August. Wilkinson joins me to discuss the latest record, the band, his work behind the desk and his part in the Autopsy story. Band photo: Matthew Kadi Album art: Max Rain Thanks to Liz at Earsplit PR Buy Hell Is Evil from Tankcrimes and bandcamp Follow Deathgrave on Instagram Autopsy Static Abyss New Static Abyss album The Dying Hunt For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
August 5 · 1 hr 6 min
Episode 152: Mark Solotroff (Anatomy of Habit)
The musical world of Chicago’s Mark Solotroff goes back to the mid 80s with power-electronics group Intrinsic Action, includes the controlled chaos of BLOODYMINDED and finds us in the present moment with the doom-infused post-punk five-piece Anatomy of Habit releasing their fifth album Paired Sentinels—with Solotroff, as always, at the helm. It’s been a long and winding path for Anatomy of Habit since their 2008 origins, with lineup changes, a brief stint on Relapse Records and the global pandemic punching a whole in the band’s momentum (as with that of most who lived through it). But you can’t keep a good, dark spirit down. And so we are here to celebrate Paired Sentinels, discuss its creation, the striking artwork by Jeff Gibson, the history of the band—as well as some of Solotroff’s other projects and inspirations. Thanks to Liz at Earsplit PR Buy Paired Sentinels Anatomy of Habit Mark Solotroff For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
July 29 · 50 min
Episode 151: Dumb Waiter
It would be hard to think of a more suitable name for the latest record by Richmond, Virginian four-piece Dumb Waiter. Having formed back in 2012, Change (out this Friday) sees the band not only introduce vocals for the first time, but completely re-design their whole sound. Having spent several releases honing a complex meld of proggy, avant-garde metallic rock, the band decided they were done with musical complexity, instead wanting something more direct. The result of this transformation is Change—a record not only direct, but harsh, harrowing and anxiety inducing. Such a change, to quote the band from the title track of the latest album, doesn’t come easily. But as hard as that may have been, they did it and I’m here with vocalist/guitarist Nick Crider and bassist/vocalist Keith Paul to hear from them how and why it was time to totally reinvent the band. Album art by Taylor White Band photo Nicholas Crider Thanks to Monica at Speakeasy PR Check out Change on bandcamp Follow the band on Facebook and Instagram Check out Nick Crider’s visual work at Ickhouse For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
July 16 · 1 hr 5 min
Episode 150: Glenn Morrow
Although Glenn Morrow recently retired from running Bar/Non Records (the record label he founded 40 years ago), he’s still closely connected to the label. In fact Bar/Non Records, as well as celebrating its 40th anniversary, is about to release Morrow’s latest set of songs from his band Glenn Morrow’s Cry For Help, the playfully titled Our Final Album Vol. 1. So let’s dive into the history of the label and the history of Morrow the musician. Let’s discuss it all, from Morrow’s early bands A and The Individuals, to the birth of the record label and their early and fruitful work with enduringly unique They Might Be Giants. Well, ok, there’s not time in an hour to discuss everything, but there’s still time to talk Hoboken, Lou Reed and The Velvet Underground, Bob Bert and his new record Beach Bongo Bloodbath (see episode 143), The Swimming Pool Q’s and Anne Richmond Boston (see episode 133), Alex Chilton and more besides. Check out Glenn Morrow’s Cry For Help playing with Psych-O-Positive and Love, Burns at The Pet Shop in Jersey City on July 30th. For more more updates visit the band on facebook or Instagram. Check out Our Final Album Vol. 1 on bandcamp and Rhyme-Reason Thanks to Howard at Howlin’ Wuelf Media. For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
July 7 · 1 hr 23 min
Episode 149: Martin Bisi
American recording engineer Martin Bisi started BC Studio in Gowanus, Brooklyn, New York City (originally as OAO Studio) with Bill Laswell and Brian Eno 45 years ago. Having worked with names like Afrika Bambaataa and Lydia Lunch, he was involved in the nascent days of both hip-hop and no wave. As an engineer and producer Martin is greatly respected and having worked extensively with underground legends like Swans and Sonic Youth continues to work with cutting edge artists at BC Studio. That’s just one part of the story though, because Martin also has a long and fascinating history as a musician in his own right. This Friday sees the release of the latest Martin Bisi album, Dancing On The Power Lines, an album as bursting with creativity, activist spirit and humour as you could hope for from someone so dedicated to the musical underground for so many years. We discuss the latest album, his own musical evolution, Gowanus, some fascinating family history, collaborations and communities. Back in 2014 a documentary marking the first 30 years of BC Studio was released, Sound and Chaos: The Story of BC Studio. Stay tuned for an updated documentary short, marking 45 years of BC Studio, due later this year. Check out Dancing On The Power Lines and more Martin Bisi music, videos, links and other materials on his website here. Thanks to Dan at Discipline PR. Photo credit: Ego Sensation (thumbnail), Basti For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
June 30 · 1 hr 17 min
Episode 148: Tim Gotch (Sleepbomb)
The first time Tim Gotch joined me (alongside bandmate Charlie Hernandez on episode 51 of Whatever Comes Next) Sleepbomb were poised to release The Sleeping Dead—a musical companion to George Romero’s Night of the Living Dead. Eighteen months later, with the cinematic-doom band, having released their follow-up record, Songs in the Key of Conan (Koolarrow Records), an alternative score to the 1982 Arnold Schwarzenegger fantasy movie Conan the Barbarian, what better time for a catchup? Tim and I discuss the record, the movie, live shows, the environmental aspect of touring and Roadburn Festival (and when I’m going to get my act together and attend!). Thanks to Zoheb at Qabar PR. Listen to and buy Songs in the Key of Conan here. All things Sleepbomb here. For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
June 24 · 53 min
Episode 147: Dave Ramirez (Hypnolovewheel)
The initial lifespan of New York City indie-rock group Hypnolovewheel lasted only from 1986 to 1993, but in that relatively short time the band released five albums—starting with 1988’s Turn! Turn! Turn! and culminating with Altered States in 1993. While the band’s fine body of work has been hard to get hold of in the digital age, the band recently got the rights back to their catalogue and now, happily, Parallel Universe a career-spanning retrospective gets a full release (having previously been available on a limited vinyl run). And that’s what guitarist Dave Ramirez and I are here to discuss. Which is to say we’re going through the story of Hypnolovewheel. The formation, the releases, the tours, Yo La Tengo, Steve Albini, Kramer, Jesus Lizard and other names that pop up along the way. Sadly, drummer Peter Walsh is not around the be able to celebrate the release of Parallel Universe (having passed away in 2021), but for the remaining members of the band Dan Cuddy, Dave Ramirez and Stephen Hunking, the possibility of a few shows this year seem to be crystallising—you can follow the band on Instagram for updates. In the meantime, check out Parallel Universe in all its glory on bandcamp right here. Thanks to Howard at Howlin’ Wuelf Media. Hypnolovewheel on Instagram. For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
June 19 · 58 min
Episode 146 hackedepicciotto
West Berliner Alexander Hacke and American-born Danielle de Picciotto both have no shortage of their own artistic and musical credits stretching back to the 1980s. While their collaborative paths have intersected over several different projects over the years, hackedepicciotto is the most enduring—with the duo’s 10th album LICHTUNG to be released on the 10th of July via Mute. A beautiful, otherworldly record, layered with electronic and acoustic instrumentation (as well as the pair’s elegantly intertwining voices) there’s plenty about the duo’s latest release to dive into. There’s also time for us to touch on the pair’s experiences of Berlin before, during and after the fall of the wall, why they finally settled down after years of nomadic existence, how they take their music on the road and on stage, Danielle’s writing practice, and a few funny tales featuring Alexander’s time in Einstürzende Neubauten and former Bad Seed Mick Harvey—the three having all worked together in Crime & The City Solution. Photo by Mara von Kummer. Thank you to Howard at Howlin’ Wuelf Media. Order LICHTUNG and check out more from hackedepicciotto on bandcamp. hackedepicciotto website. See hackedepicciotto at silent green Kulturquartier, Gerichtstraße 35, 13347 Berlin, Germany on the 27th of June (info and tickets here) with more upcoming shows listed on the pair’s website. For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
June 17 · 1 hr 5 min
Episode 145: Joe Cannon (Resurrectionists)
Double EP (out this Friday on Seismic Wave Entertainment) brings together last year’s Anytime You Make A Place For Them and the previously-unreleased Ok, Let’s Play King (both on vinyl for the first time)—two EPs that showcase the distinctive charms of Milwaukee rock four-piece Resurrectionists. Joe Cannon has been leading the helm since the band’s formation in 2018 and we’re going to go through the history of the band and all its releases together. Well, we already have done, but you’re going to listen to it! I mean, you’ve come this far, so you might as well, eh. We’ll also discuss how Joe ended up heavily featuring in a documentary about the director of two of the band’s music videos, why the clock in Joe’s home never quite reaches midnight and take an unexpected diversion talking philosophy as we both attempt to dust off the mental cobwebs. What more could you possibly want? Answers on a postcard. Thank you to Conan (and Dan). Photo courtesy of Conan Neutron. Order Double EP and check out other Resurrectionists releases here. For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
June 12 · 1 hr 9 min
Episode 144: TOOMS
The members of Limerick, Ireland’s sludge metal band TOOMS have been making music together since before TOOMS was even a thing. Having started out together first as Gaia, bassist Anto Donnellan, drummer Kieran Grace and guitarist/vocalist Alex Hölzinger decided in 2017 the time had come to take the music into a new dimension and so TOOMS was born. Following their debut full-length album The Orb Offers Massive Signals in 2020 the existential black hole that was the global Covid pandemic was not strong enough to completely derail the band—with the trio having now released their follow up KARST on Fiadh, Cursed Monk and Road to Masochist. Visit the TOOMS bandcamp page for KARST and all things TOOMS. Follow the band on Instagram. See TOOMS live in Galway and Cellar bar on the 26th of June, supporting Bad Aul Dose with Skellig and Partholón — tickets here. For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
June 9 · 49 min
Episode 143: Bob Bert (Lydia Lunch, Sonic Youth, Pussy Galore)
Bob Bert has been involved in too many projects over the years to squeeze them all into a 40minute interview, but by golly I’ve done my best. We are first of all here to discuss Beach Bongo Bloodbath, his solo debut, out this Friday on Bar/None Records (in the year of the label’s 40th anniversary). On top of discussing this quirky delight of a record we find the time to talk about Lydia Lunch, John Spencer, Sonic Youth, Bewitched, Suicide (the band!!), Boredoms, playing CBGBs during the No Wave years, covering and interviewing Richard Hell, working with Steve Albini and Mark Kramer, interviewing Vincent Gallo for his 90s/early 2000s magazine BB Gun and, actually, even more. And if that doesn’t whet your appetite, then I guess you’re not a Bob Bert enthusiast. If you are, however, please do come this way. And by “this way” I mean watch/listen to this interview. Check out Beach Bongo Bloodbath on bandcamp. And if you’re in New York, you can get tickets for Bob Bert’s Album Release Bash at Bowery Palace on June 15th right here as if by magic. Thanks to Howard at Howlin’ Wuelf Media For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
June 4 · 1 hr 40 min
Episode 142: Johnny Iguana (The Claudettes)
Chicago Illinois’ The Claudettes have been through various transformations since their instrumental, two-piece origins of 2013’s Infernal Piano Plot…HATCHED! The most recent evolution has been the introduction of powerhouse singer Rachel Williams, who came in after the band parted ways with previous lead singer Berit Ulseth. Throughout every permutation punk-raised pianist Johnny Iguana has been leading the charge, and with the band’s latest album Garage Glamour (Pravda Records) released tomorrow Johnny joins me as we run through the history of The Claudettes, from their earliest beginnings right the way up to now. Along the way there’s time for us to talk about many musical influences and inspirations, from Bob Mould to Raymond Scott. We talk punk, we talk blues, we talk rock n’ roll and more. It’s all for the love of the music and if ever I felt like my poor, neglected guitar needs to be given some attention, it’s certainly the case after this conversation. Visit The Claudettes for releases, videos, upcoming shows and more. The Claudettes on bandcamp. Thanks to Howard at Howlin’ Wuelf Media Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
June 1 · 1 hr 7 min
Episode 141: Caterwaul 2026
Minneapolis, Minnesota’s Caterwaul celebrates its fifth year this coming weekend (the event being held from Friday 5th - Sunday 7th of June) and co-founder Conan Neutron is here to tell us all about it. What’s more, he’s brought a friend—Rye Coalition vocalist Ralph Cuseglio (whose band headline the Saturday. The event features no shortage of fan favourites from the alternative rock (aaaaagh I hate that term, but I’m using it again!) underground—like Dazzling Killmen, Stress Positions, Didjits and Season to Risk. Too many bands to mention in one intro, so why not just go to the event website HERE for the full lineup? And while you’re at it, you could pre-purchase a ticket. For sure, no one’s throwing about large sums of cash in the DIY underground and events like Caterwaul are a great opportunity to be among likeminded music nerds, watching great bands perform. But don’t just take my word for it. Get the lowdown from Conan and Ralph. There’s even time to talk with Ralph about their major-label trauma that derailed the release of their Curses album (which eventually saw the light of day in 2006). Finally, let’s all send positive energy to Caterwaul co-founder Rainer Fronz who just yesterday underwent a heart transplant. Wishing him a speedy and full recovery. All things Caterwaul. Conan Neutron’s Protonic Reversal interview show. Conan Neutron & The Secret Friends on bandcamp. Rye Coalition on bandcamp. For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
May 28 · 50 min
Episode 140: Nathan Carson (Point Line Plane)
Twenty-plus years is a long break to have in almost any relationship. But while Nathan Carson and Joshua Blanchard (together known as Point Line Plane) originally called time on the musical project they formed together at the turn of the century back in 2005, the end of Point Line Plane did not mean the end of the friendship. Just as well, because when the stars aligned and SKiN GRAFT Records proposed a remastered reissue of the duo’s eponymous debut, Carson and Blanchard had already been discussing playing shows together again. Fast forward to now and Point Line Plane have played a number of shows in May (several with an also-reformed Dazzling Killmen), with three more dates to come in June (culminating with a performance at the final date of this year’s Caterwaul Fest in Minneapolis). Add to that, the remastered debut is out tomorrow (digitally and on vinyl for the first time). While Point Line Plane received no small amount of attention during their first run, this was at a time before the ubiquity of online representation. Put another way, the impact the band made isn’t reflected online. So let’s do our small bit to right that wrong as Nathan Carson joins me to discuss all things Point Line Plane past, present and future, other musical projects and his agency Nanotear Booking. Buy Point Line Plane from bancamp. Point Line Plane on Instagram. Thanks to Mark at SKiN GRAFT Records Photo by Lucy Fur For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
May 26 · 1 hr
Episode 139: Marian Sarine (DEAFKIDS)
Born of D-beat roots and punk spirit, Brazilian duo DEAFKIDS have been fusing noise, percussive rhythms and electronics for over 15 years. This Friday sees the release of the duo’s latest record CICATRIZES DO FUTURO on the great Neurot Recordings (the band’s first non-collaborative full-length release since 2019’s Metaprogramação) Percussionist and bassist Marian Sarine joins me to discuss the duo’s latest album in depth, recordings, instrumentation, live shows, playing abroad and how the worlds of DEAFKIDS and Neurosis first entered each other’s orbits. Photos by Leticia Soto and Maiga Bugrimenko DEAFKIDS and music via Neurot Recordings. CICATRIZES DO FUTURO on bandcamp. Thanks to Dave at Earsplit PR. For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
May 22 · 52 min
Episode 138: Ivan Pavlov (Soisong, CoH)
The electronic/industrial underground is one of the most intriguing, magickal and mysterious realms in modern music. The mythologies surrounding groups like Throbbing Gristle, Psychic TV and Coil are rabbit holes easy to go tumbling down. The late Peter “Sleazy” Christopherson was (more or less) a founding member of all three bands mentioned above. He was also one half of experimental electronic group Soisong. Ivan Pavlov (best known for his enduring CoH project) was the other half of this musical union and on this day of 22.05.26 is releasing a book documenting the project’s history. The book is a fascinating dive into the world of Soisong, including email correspondences between Sleazy and Ivan, interviews, marketing strategies, press releases, photos and other artefacts that chart the life of this project. Complemented by two CDs, the book is being released as a one-time-only edition. Ivan Pavlov joins me to discuss the book and the story of Soisong, as well as sharing tales from his friendship and collaborations with Sleazy and John Balance (Geoff Rushton) from their Coil days. The world of Coil (and its neighbouring constellations) has been a huge source of fascination and inspiration for me since I first discovered the Musick to Play in the Dark albums over 25 years ago. A little while back I had to stop buying every fresh Coil reissue that comes out before it became necessary for me to start selling organs. It was a huge treat and honour to talk with Ivan and I will be poised to buy a copy of the book when it becomes available today. Soisong will be available in a hardcover edition of 222 numbered copies. If you are also keen to get yourself a copy get your trigger finger ready. The book release is scheduled for 22:05 CET tonight (that’s five past nine this evening for people in the UK) when the link to buy will go live. At that time (probably for about 3 minutes before they sell out) you’ll be able to buy a copy from the link here. You can also visit Soisong on bandcamp here and listen to Soisong Broadcast #13 (released on Wednesday to coincide with the release). Huge thanks to Ivan for his time and to Dan at Discipline PR for making this conversation possible. More links to Ivan Pavlov’s work: CoH website CoH on facebook CoH on bandcamp Soisong on facebook For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
May 19 · 37 min
Episode 137: Ataraxia
Italians Ataraxia are a band (or ensemble of artists, as they sometimes refer to themselves) with a long history. Core members Francesca Nicoli, Vittorio Vandelli and Giovanni Pagliari have been making music together for more than three decades and Sylfaera the Fair (released this Thursday on The Circle Music) is the band’s thirtieth album. The latest record is also the final part of a trilogy that began with 2022’s Pomegranate (The Chant of the Elementals). Drawing from a variety of musical traditions, Ataraxia’s neoclassical dimension can be seen both in their musical style as well as their thematic interests in mythology, literature and ritual. The group can do a better job than I in describing how these different elements come together in the identity of Ataraxia and the lore of the latest record. Just as well then that they’re here to do exactly that as we discuss their history, music, influences and Sylfaera the Fair. Sylfaera the Fair on The Circle Music Ataraxia website Instagram facebook Thanks to Dom at 3-Nation For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
May 13 · 1 hr 9 min
Episode 136: Requiem In White
The Visible Heaven (out May 21st on The Circle Music) marks the first new music from Boston-formed, post-punk/gothic-rock band Requiem In White in over 30 years. Following the band’s split in the 90s, singer Lisa Stockton-Wilson and multi-instrumentalist/producer Doc Hammer first continued making music together as Mors Syphilitica before going on to pursue their own separate projects. In 2024 the vinyl reissue of the band’s early material by The Circle Music planted a seed which led to Hammer and Stockton-Wilson working on new material again—the result being The Visible Heaven. Intended as a continuation of where the band left off (as well as being an opportunity to capture a sound the band felt had never been truly represented on record) the forthcoming album lacks nothing in dark, grand power. Hammer and Stockton-Wilson join me to discuss the record, the band’s early years and reminiscences of the late Type O Negative frontman Peter Steele. Lisa Stockton-Wilson photo by LiAnn Grahm The Visible Heaven via The Circle Music Requiem In White on bandcamp Thanks to Dom at 3-Nation Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

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