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What Came Next

Broken Cycle Media

What happens after the experiences of true crime survivors have been shared with the world? Does the media truly capture all it entails to survive such tragedy in the public eye? What comes after the convictions are in, the cameras stop rolling, and the court of public opinion has spoken? Can sharing our stories lead to justice, and is there ever really justice?

These questions and many more are discussed on the new true crime docuseries podcast brought to you by Broken Cycle Media.

What Came Next is co-created and produced by Something Was Wrong’s Tiffany Reese and host, award-winning writer, victim advocate and true crime survivor Amy B. Chesler.

On What Came Next, you’ll hear firsthand accounts from those impacted, with behind the scenes insights about what came next for survivors after their stories were shared with the world, and how the media impacts crime victims and their loved ones.

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#180
June 5 · 31 min
180: [Amber Rodgers] A Crisis Victim Within the System // Part 2
Content warning: childhood abuse, childhood sexual abuse, sexual assault, rape, abduction, missing persons, gun violence, murder, and mental illness. Amber Rodgers is a survivor, business professional, and creative from Texas. As early as she can remember, her life was filled with chaos. By the time she was fourteen, she was a multi-crime survivor, and by 19 she would serve as a witness in her best friend’s murder trial. Amber moved forward by cultivating a successful career and loving family, until her past trauma instigated a cascading effect in her mental health and relationships. Although Amber has shared portions of her story at-large, it took her decades and a life-altering mental health journey to realize the deep impact her teen years had had on her. The Broken Cycle Media team is deeply appreciative of Amber’s transparency, rawness, and advocacy. These episodes are dedicated in loving memory of Kytrina Marie Locascio. Sources: -Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. “About Adverse Childhood Experiences.” CDC, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, 2025, https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/aces/. -Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. “Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs).” CDC Vital Signs, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/aces/index.html. -Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. “Psychosocial Factors and Health Equity.” CDC, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, https://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/health_equity/psychosocial.htm. -Felitti, Vincent J., et al. “Relationship of Childhood Abuse and Household Dysfunction to Many of the Leading Causes of Death in Adults: The Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACE) Study.” American Journal of Preventive Medicine, vol. 14, no. 4, 1998, pp. 245–258. -Hughes, Karen, et al. “The Effect of Multiple Adverse Childhood Experiences on Health: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis.” The Lancet Public Health, vol. 2, no. 8, 2017, pp. e356–e366. doi:10.1016/S2468-2667(17)30118-4. -McKay, Matthew T., Laura Kilmartin, Aisling Meagher, Mary Cannon, Colm Healy, and Mary C. Clarke. “A Revised and Extended Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of the Relationship between Childhood Adversity and Adult Psychiatric Disorder.” Journal of Psychiatric Research, vol. 156, 2022, pp. 159–174. PubMed, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36274532/. -Swedo, Elizabeth A., et al. “Prevalence of Adverse Childhood Experiences Among U.S. Adults—Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System, 2011–2020.” Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, vol. 72, no. 26, 2023, pp. 707–715, https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7226a2.htm. -Zhang, Y., et al. “Cumulative Adverse Childhood Experiences and Risk of Mental Disorders: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis.” Acta Psychiatrica Scandinavica, 2026, https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0001691826007559. Accessed 2 June 2026. For additional resources and a list of non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources *Thank you again to Rula and Quince for sponsoring this episode. *Remember, Rula patients typically pay $15 per session when using insurance. Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at https://www.rula.com/wcn #rulapod *And don't forget to elevate your summer wardrobe, go to quince.com/wcn for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns, now available in Canada too.
#179
May 29 · 26 min
179: [Amber Rodgers] It's Safe Until It's Not // Part 1
Content warning: childhood abuse, childhood sexual abuse, sexual assault, rape, abduction, missing persons, gun violence, murder, and mental illness. Amber Rodgers is a survivor, business professional, and creative from Texas. As early as she can remember, her life was filled with chaos. By the time she was fourteen, she was a multi-crime survivor, and by 19 she would serve as a witness in her best friend’s murder trial. Amber moved forward by cultivating a successful career and loving family, until her past trauma instigated a cascading effect in her mental health and relationships. Although Amber has shared portions of her story at-large, it took her decades and a life-altering mental health journey to realize the deep impact her teen years had had on her. The Broken Cycle Media team is deeply appreciative of Amber’s transparency, rawness, and advocacy in the following two episodes. These episodes are dedicated in loving memory of Kytrina Marie Locascio. Sources: Curt Hodges. “Woman Murdered; Killer Sentenced.” The Jonesboro Sun, 22 Nov. 1997. For additional resources and a list of non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
#178
May 22 · 44 min
178: [SWW Presents] S24 E25 Case & Community Updates - 12/18/2025
*Content Warning: fraud, harassment, catfishing, stalking, sexual abuse, troubled teen industry, childhood abuse, and institutionalized child abuse. *Free + Confidential Resources + Safety Tips: somethingwaswrong.com/resources Check out our brand new SWW Sticker Shop!: https://brokencyclemedia.com/sticker-shop *SWW S24 Artwork: The S24 cover art is by the Amazing Sara Stewart Follow Something Was Wrong: Website: somethingwaswrong.com IG: instagram.com/somethingwaswrongpodcast TikTok: tiktok.com/@somethingwaswrongpodcast Follow Tiffany Reese: Website: tiffanyreese.me IG: instagram.com/lookieboo Follow Amy B. Chesler: IG: instagram.com/amybchesler *Resources: The Gathering Inn: https://www.thegatheringinn.com/ Tending the Garden: https://www.tendingthegarden.love/ Trans Doe Task Force: https://transdoetaskforce.org/ *Sources: -Baker, Jennifer. “Doula Defrauder Kaitlyn Braun Will Return to Court in May for Sentencing Submissions.” CTVNews, 7 Mar. 2025, www.ctvnews.ca/kitchener/article/doula-defrauder-kaitlyn-braun-will-return-to-court-in-may-for-sentencing-submissions/ -Beattie, Samantha. “Judge Calls Woman a ‘danger,’ Sends Her to Prison after Faking Pregnancies, Defrauding Ontario Doulas | CBC News.” CBCnews, CBC/Radio Canada, 10 June 2025, www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/kaitlyn-braun-sentence-1.7556327 -Reese, Tiffany. “Season 18.” Something Was Wrong, Broken Cycle Media. https://somethingwaswrong.com/ Thanks again to Boll and Branch and Mint Mobile for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget you can get 20% off your first order, plus free shipping during the Memorial Day Sale at BollAndBranch.com/wcn with code WCN (exclusions apply). And upgrade your mobile plans at MintMobile.com/wcn.
#176
May 15 · 20 min
176: [Vanessa Reiser] Episode 77 Updates
Content Warning: legal abuse, divorce, child-to-parent violence, narcissistic abuse, and coercive control. Vanessa Reiser is a mother, author, survivor, and licensed psychotherapist specializing in narcissistic and cult abuse. She is also the founder of Tell a Therapist, LLC and is best known for her 11-day, 285 mile run across the state of New York - in a wedding dress - to raise awareness for narcissistic abuse. We had the previous honor of hosting Vanessa as a guest on What Came Next in episode 77, entitled “The Treachery of No Empathy,” which first aired on July 5th, 2024. In the episode, her insights were both personal and professional, giving her a unique lens into narcissistic abuse. Since then, Vanessa has navigated some major life updates, and even added the role of podcaster to her resume. The Broken Cycle Media team continues to be so very grateful for Vanessa’s advocacy and willingness to share her expertise, time, and exciting updates with our audience. WCN Episode 77 [Vanessa Reiser] The Treachery of No Empathy: https://podcasts.apple.com/lt/podcast/vanessa-reiser-the-treachery-of-no-empathy/id1674051643?i=1000661213926 Vanessa's Website: http://www.tellatherapist.net Vanessa's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/vanessareiserlcsw/ Vanessa's Book: https://amzn.to/4383o1E If you or someone you know is a victim of domestic violence, please consider visiting https://www.thehotline.org/. For a list of resources and related non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
#175
May 8 · 33 min
175: [Tracy Hall] If It Is to Be, It Is up to Me // Part 2
Content Warning: love fraud, intimate fraud, financial fraud, gun violence, and robbery. Tracy Hall is a mother, author, speaker, business marketing expert, and victim of financial and intimate fraud from Australia. After a series of traumatic events and life changes, Tracy found herself unexpectedly single in her early 40’s. Although she had a full life, she sought an activity partner to grow with. That’s when she met Max Tavita, a Bondi Beach businessman with an active lifestyle and a deepening love for Tracy. Over the next year and a half, he would carefully cultivate a relationship that promised to fulfill all of Tracy’s romantic, personal, and even financial dreams. However, it would all come toppling down upon his December 2017 arrest, which brought the realization that Max - whose real name was Hamish - wasn’t who he said he was. Since navigating a long criminal justice process, sharing her story via podcast, book, and beyond, Tracy has made it her mission to bring awareness to the intricacies and stigmas of intimate fraud. The Broken Cycle Media team is immensely grateful for Tracy’s openness, expertise, and advocacy. Tracy's Website: https://tracyhall.com.au/ Tracy's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tracyleehall/ Tracy's Media Language Guide: https://tracyhall.com.au/resources The Last Victim in paperback: https://amzn.to/4ngzQbn The Last Victim in Audiobook: https://amzn.to/4tZhezx Who the Hell is Hamish?: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/who-the-hell-is-hamish/id1451470931 Sources: - “Conman Hamish McLaren Jailed for up to 16 Years after Swindling $7.6m from Victims.” The Guardian, Guardian News and Media, 20 June 2019, www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jun/20/conman-hamish-mclaren-jailed-for-up-to-16-years-after-swindling-76m-from-victims - “Early Appropriate Guilty Pleas.” The Law Society of New South Wales, www.lawsociety.com.au/resources/resources/my-practice-area/criminal-law/early-appropriate-guilty-pleas. For a list of additional resources and related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
#174
May 1 · 29 min
174: [Tracy Hall] I Was His Last Victim // Part 1
Content Warning: miscarriage, love fraud, intimate fraud, financial fraud, and robbery. Tracy Hall is a mother, author, speaker, business marketing expert, and victim of financial and intimate fraud from Australia. After a series of traumatic events and life changes, Tracy found herself unexpectedly single in her early 40’s. Although she had a full life, she sought an activity partner to grow with. That’s when she met Max Tavita, a Bondi Beach businessman with an active lifestyle and a deepening love for Tracy. Over the next year and a half, he would carefully cultivate a relationship that promised to fulfill all of Tracy’s romantic, personal, and even financial dreams. However, it would all come toppling down upon his December 2017 arrest, which brought the realization that Max - whose real name was Hamish - wasn’t who he said he was. Since navigating a long criminal justice process, sharing her story via podcast, book, and beyond, Tracy has made it her mission to bring awareness to the intricacies and stigmas of intimate fraud. The Broken Cycle Media team is immensely grateful for Tracy’s openness, expertise, and advocacy in the following two episodes. Tracy's Website: https://tracyhall.com.au/ Tracy's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tracyleehall/ Sources: - “Conman Hamish McLaren Jailed for up to 16 Years after Swindling $7.6m from Victims.” The Guardian, Guardian News and Media, 20 June 2019, www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jun/20/conman-hamish-mclaren-jailed-for-up-to-16-years-after-swindling-76m-from-victims For a list of additional resources and related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
#173
April 24 · 44 min
173: [Ali Davis] The Cycle Repeated
Content Warning: suicidal ideation, suicide, neglect, abuse, torture, child abuse, childhood torture, domestic childhood torture, institutionalized abuse, and institutionalized torture. Ali Davis is a healthcare professional, non-profit founder, and a survivor of alleged childhood torture. She was born in Alaska, and as early as she can remember, the alleged torture that she would face at the hands of her mother had begun. It would take her years to come to recognize the weight of all that she navigated, and to be able to name it appropriately. Amidst her healing journey she launched a non-profit foundation called Pretti Graffiti which was established to provide funding for humanitarian aid for survivors of non-war-related childhood torture in the United States. Ali is paving the way for survivors and researchers alike, bringing awareness and prevention as a result of her efforts. The Broken Cycle Media team is so deeply grateful for her sharing her time, energy, expertise, and deeply empathetic views with our audience. The Pretti Graffiti Foundation: https://www.prettigraffiti.org/ Pretti Graffiti on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@_ali_davis_ Sources: [PDF] Child Torture as a Form of Child Abuse | Semantic Scholar, www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Child-Torture-as-a-Form-of-Child-Abuse-Knox-Starling/2d88139a3af0775d9a20333b03bb8f356cbc6615 For a list of additional resources and related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Mint Mobile for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget, if you like your money, Mint Mobile is for you. Shop plans at mintmobile.com/wcn
#172
April 17 · 41 min
172: [Nichole Schmidt - Netflix's American Murder: Gabby Petito] Her Voice is So Big
Content Warning: intimate partner violence, domestic violence, strangulation, and murder. Nichole Schmidt is a mother, speaker, non-profit founder, victim advocate, and co-victim of murder. Her trajectory changed drastically in August of 2021 with the very public disappearance and murder of her daughter, Gabby Petito. In the wake of her loss, Nichole has transformed her grief into legislative and social change via the Gabby Petito Foundation, a Netflix documentary, a forthcoming book and podcast, and much more. The Broken Cycle Media team is beyond grateful for Nichole’s time, energy, resilience, and advocacy in the wake of her unimaginable loss. This episode is dedicated in loving memory of Gabby Petito. Sources: - “Brian Laundrie’s Cause of Death, New Details Revealed in Autopsy.” ABC7 Los Angeles, 15 Feb. 2022, abc7.com/post/brian-laundrie-autopsy-gabby-petito-report/11564906/ Resources: - Conference on Crimes Against Women: https://conferencecaw.org/ - The Gabby Petito Foundation: https://gabbypetitofoundation.org/ - The Gabby Petitio Foundation on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gabbypetitofoundation/ - Nikki Schmidt on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/niki_schmidt_/ - Netflix's American Murder: Gabby Petito - https://www.netflix.com/title/81733793 If you or someone you know is a victim of domestic violence, please consider seeking safety resources via https://www.thehotline.org/. For a list of additional resources and related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Lola Blankets for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget to get 40% off your entire order at Lolablankets.com by using code [WCN] at checkout. Experience the world’s #1 blanket with Lola Blankets.
#171
April 10 · 30 min
171: [Jana Guyewski-Lautigar] Protect Their Story & Truth // Part 2
Content Warning: systemic betrayal, institutional betrayal, gun violence, suicide, and murder. As shared in part one of her story, Jana Guyewski-Lautigar is a mother, educator, social worker, and author from Bastrop, Louisiana. She joins us today to honor her sister, Crystal McCrorry Jones, whose life tragically ended on February 9th, 2023. Her death was deemed an unattended death - when a person passes away without witnesses or medical personnel present - and thus, requires certain processes and procedures be completed to properly be investigated. Jana has been on a mission since Crystal’s death to compel the local authorities in the small town of Oak Grove to conduct standard, additional investigatory tasks that she believes should have been completed. Jana also now speaks out as an advocate for other family members seeking justice - and sometimes even just a simple investigation - via the media, her books, and in her classroom. She works to bring to light the injustices that The Broken Cycle Media team is deeply honored she is here today to share Crystal with our audience, as well as to share her expertise, advocacy, and warmth. This episode is dedicated in loving memory of Crystal McCrory Jones. Justice for Crystal McCrory Jones FB Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/3074535702847225/ Justice for Crystal McCrory Jones Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/justiceforcrystalmccroryjones/ Petition to Re-Open Crystal's Investigation: https://www.change.org/p/reopen-investigation-into-death-of-crystal-mccrory-jones Proposal for Crystal McCrory Law: https://www.change.org/p/proposal-for-the-crystal-mccrory-law-ensuring-proper-procedures-for-mailing-human-remains For a list of additional resources and related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Mint Mobile and Quince for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget: if you like your money, Mint Mobile is for you. Shop plans at MintMobile.com/wcn. And refresh your spring wardrobe with Quince. Go to Quince.com/WCN for free shipping and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too.
#170
April 3 · 27 min
170: [Jana Guyewski-Lautigar] I Didn't Have Any Answers // Part 1
Content Warning: systemic betrayal, institutional betrayal, gun violence, suicide, and murder. Jana Guyewski-Lautigar is a mother, educator, social worker, and author from Bastrop, Louisiana. She joins us today to honor her sister, Crystal McCrorry Jones, whose life tragically ended on February 9th, 2023. Her death was deemed an unattended death - when a person passes away without witnesses or medical personnel present - and thus, requires certain processes and procedures be completed to properly be investigated. Jana has been on a mission since Crystal’s death to compel the local authorities in the small town of Oak Grove to conduct standard, additional investigatory tasks that she believes should have been completed. Jana also now speaks out as an advocate for other family members seeking justice - and sometimes even just a simple investigation - via the media, her books, and in her classroom. She works to bring to light the injustices that The Broken Cycle Media team is deeply honored she is here today to share Crystal with our audience, as well as to share her expertise, advocacy, and warmth. This episode is dedicated in loving memory of Crystal McCrory Jones. Justice for Crystal McCrory Jones FB Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/3074535702847225/ Justice for Crystal McCrory Jones Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/justiceforcrystalmccroryjones/ For a list of additional resources and related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Rula and Quince for sponsoring this episode. Rula patients typically pay $15 per session when using insurance. Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at https://www.rula.com/wcn #rulapod - And don't forget to refresh your spring wardrobe with Quince. Go to quince.com/WCN for free shipping and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too.
#169
March 27 · 40 min
169: [Jen Higgins] A Nightmarish Loop
Content warning: self-harm, suicidal ideation, domestic violence, intimate partner violence, and suicide. Jen Higgins is a resident of Arkansas, mother, and founder of Anyway Socks, a company on a mission to help end domestic violence. Jen was inspired to create the company after the loss of her best friend, Brooke. In years prior, Brooke had been surviving and attempting to escape a violent relationship, and Jen was doing her best to be Brooke’s support person. However, it was after the tragic loss of Brooke, that Jen was left with a gaping hole in her heart, and a mission on her mind. She now offers support to domestic violence resources by way of her company, and she continues to share Brooke’s memory with the world in order to make change. She also works hard to bring awareness to the deep impact that being a co-victim of abuse can have on a loved one’s trajectory. The Broken Cycle Media team is incredibly grateful for Jen’s strength, perspective, and mission. This episode is dedicated in loving memory of Brooke. If you or someone you know is a victim of domestic violence, please consider seeking safety resources via https://www.thehotline.org/. For a list of additional resources and related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources Anyway Socks: https://anywaysocks.com/ Anyway Socks on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/anywaysocks/ Northwest Arkansas Women's Shelter: chttps://peaceathomeshelter.org/ Peace at Home Family Shelter: https://peaceathomeshelter.org/ Don't forget that for a limited time only, our listeners are getting an insane deal on First Day vitamins! Use code [WCN] to get up to 57% Off at FirstDay.com. That’s up to 57% Off and a Free Gift with code [WCN] at FirstDay.com. After you purchase, they will ask you where you heard about them; please support our show and tell them What Came Next sent you.

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