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Priya Anand

We talk about curly hair to learn more about our culture — from how we perceive ourselves to how the world sees us. 


Priya Anand, an award-winning journalist whose work has been featured in Bloomberg, Businessweek, the Wall Street Journal, Buzzfeed and Politico, turns her investigative eye to her lifelong obsession: curly hair. 


You might think: curly hair, how much is there to say? 
A whole podcast dedicated to this? I don’t want to hear someone ramble about all their hair lotions and potions! 


But there is so much to unravel about why so many people hide their ringlets as secret curlies, how politicians who wear their hair curly are vilified and what Hollywood's hostility toward curls means for our society.

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  • 21 episodes
  • Avg 17 min
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  • S1 · E20
    Thursday · 24 min

    Meet the Lawmaker Putting Hair on the Political Agenda

    New York state implemented a law this year requiring cosmetology schools to teach students how to work with textured hair. We speak with state assemblywoman Michaelle C. Solages, who pushed to make it happen. She explains why hair is a key part of her policy agenda, the role it played in her Haitian immigrant upbringing and what laws she hopes to pass next. Subscribe to our Substack for behind-the-scenes stories: WeAreSpiraling.com Follow Priya on Instagram and TikTok MAYURA waitlist and Instagram Find this show on Instagram and TikTok for bonus clips.

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  • S1 · E19
    August 13 · 7 min

    How We Make This Show & The Problem With Early Press Wins

    Today’s minisode dives into how we think about making and growing this show with an audio version of a behind-the-scenes story originally shared on WeAreSpiraling.com. I break down what actually happens when you get media coverage, and why founders are wrong to chase press validation from the get-go, from the perspective of a reporter turned founder. Subscribe to our Substack for behind-the-scenes stories: WeAreSpiraling.com Follow Priya on Instagram and TikTok MAYURA waitlist and Instagram Find this show on Instagram and TikTok for bonus clips.

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  • S1 · E18
    July 31 · 6 min

    Why Are So Many People Secretly Curly: Part 2: Office Edition

    There’s an unwritten dress code across corporate America: everywhere you go, there are secret curlies. We unpack why this isn’t just happenstance, just like how it’s not a coincidence that a disproportionate number of CEOs are white men over 6 feet tall. For part 1, find episode #2 (Why Are So Many People Secretly Curly?) in our feed. Subscribe to our Substack for behind-the-scenes stories: WeAreSpiraling.com Follow Priya on Instagram and TikTok MAYURA waitlist and Instagram Find this show on Instagram and TikTok for bonus clips.

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  • S1 · E17
    July 23 · 36 min

    How Your Hair Changes With Your Hormones

    We unpack the powerful connection between your hormones and your hair through different stages of life with Dr. Jordan Emont, a board certified obstetrician-gynecologist. From testosterone to iron levels, thyroid shifts, pregnancy, postpartum and menopause, we explore why your hair changes over time, what those changes are actually telling you and what you can do about it. Subscribe to our Substack for behind-the-scenes stories: WeAreSpiraling.com Follow Priya on Instagram and TikTok MAYURA waitlist and Instagram Find this show on Instagram and TikTok for bonus clips.

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  • S1 · E16
    July 16 · 6 min

    'The Odyssey" Got Hair Wrong Vs Greek Mythology

    We dig into Christopher Nolan's "The Odyssey," exploring Matt Damon's representation of Odysseus and Zendaya's Athena, and consider the role of hair in Greek literature and mythology. Subscribe to our Substack for behind-the-scenes stories: WeAreSpiraling.com Follow Priya on Instagram and TikTok MAYURA waitlist and Instagram Find this show on Instagram and TikTok for bonus clips.

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  • S1 · E15
    July 9 · 6 min

    The Problem With Disney Erasing Moana’s Curls

    Disney releases its live action Moana remake this week. And while Catherine Laga'aia has natural curls that match the animated Moana’s perfectly, the film puts her in wigs with…not as curly hair at all. And yet the Rock was given a curly wig everyone has thoughts on. We dissect why the director’s explanation falls flat and Disney deserves to be called out. Subscribe to our Substack for behind-the-scenes stories: WeAreSpiraling.com Follow Priya on Instagram and TikTok MAYURA waitlist and Instagram Find this show on Instagram and TikTok for bonus clips.

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  • S1 · E14
    July 2 · 21 min

    Why Are Some Animals Curly?

    Why do some animals -- poodles, alpacas etc -- have curly hair and others don’t? We investigate how hair types help animals do their jobs, from swimming to mating and keeping warm in harsh winters. This episode features poodles, alpacas, lions, bison and pigs. Subscribe to our Substack for behind-the-scenes stories: WeAreSpiraling.com Follow Priya on Instagram and TikTok MAYURA waitlist and Instagram Find this show on Instagram and TikTok for bonus clips.

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  • S1 · E13
    June 25 · 19 min

    Dirty Secrets The Beauty Industry Doesnt Want You To Know

    I spent months investigating how haircare products are made — interviewing cosmetic chemists, testing formulas, and learning what it really takes to create a product I’d actually want to use. Here's what I learned. Subscribe to our Substack for behind-the-scenes stories: WeAreSpiraling.com Follow Priya on Instagram and TikTok MAYURA waitlist and Instagram Find this show on Instagram and TikTok for bonus clips.

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  • S1 · E12
    May 29 · 6 min

    I'll Never Forgive The Princess Diaries: Minisode

    With rumors of a third Princess Diaries, we unpack why the original was so damaging for women, and why Anne Hathaway's recent explanation falls flat. This is our first minisode: a shorter, more frequent format we're introducing alongside our full episodes. Subscribe to our Substack for behind-the-scenes stories: WeAreSpiraling.com Follow Priya on Instagram and TikTok MAYURA waitlist and Instagram Find this show on Instagram and TikTok for bonus clips.

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  • S1 · E11
    May 1 · 19 min

    For Black Women, Hair Has Always Been the Story

    Two listeners of this show share how their hair has been a key part of their stories as Black women. We also discuss why Coco Gauff’s hair became something she had to defend, and what happens when media tries to erase Black hair. Subscribe to our Substack for behind-the-scenes stories: WeAreSpiraling.com Follow Priya on Instagram and TikTok MAYURA waitlist and Instagram Find this show on Instagram and TikTok for bonus clips.

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  • S1 · E10
    April 10 · 20 min

    Why Most Stylists Never Learned to Cut Curly Hair

    New York state law now requires cosmetology schools to teach students how to work with curly hair. We trace the history of haircutting and ask why it took so long for curly hair to be acknowledged. And we talk to Roxy Reaves, founder of Oakland, California-based Coastal Curl, who pushed Aveda to change how it trains stylists. Subscribe to our Substack for behind-the-scenes stories: WeAreSpiraling.com Follow Priya on Instagram and TikTok MAYURA waitlist and Instagram Find this show on Instagram and TikTok for bonus clips.

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  • S1 · E9
    March 19 · 20 min

    Hair Is An Extension Of Your Spirit: Native American Wisdom

    We speak with two Native American hair artists about the indigenous philosophy that hair is an extension of your spirit and energy. John Parker works on Hollywood films and television shows, and brought that ethos into hair design for Killers Of The Flower Moon – a story he is personally connected to. Selina McManus educates on “decolonizing” hair at her Oakland salon. Subscribe to our Substack for behind-the-scenes stories: WeAreSpiraling.com Follow Priya on Instagram and TikTok MAYURA waitlist and Instagram Find this show on Instagram and TikTok for bonus clips.

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  • S1 · E8
    March 5 · 18 min

    Are Curly People Funnier? We Ask Comedians Noah Grossman, Nemma Adeni & Molly Brenner

    We interview three comedians, Noah Grossman, Nemma Adeni and Molly Brenner, to find out if our hot take holds water and dig into how they think about their appearances while playing themselves. Subscribe to our Substack for behind-the-scenes stories: WeAreSpiraling.com Follow Priya on Instagram and TikTok MAYURA waitlist and Instagram Find this show on Instagram and TikTok for bonus clips.

  • S1 · E7
    February 11 · 20 min

    All The Boys Are Getting Perms

    When did men of all ages get a broccoli cut? And how do they feel about themselves when they get a makeover deep into adulthood? We investigate this shift, from K-Pop to TikTok and the fact that these days more people are swiping right on curly guys. Subscribe to our Substack for behind-the-scenes stories: WeAreSpiraling.com Follow Priya on Instagram and TikTok MAYURA waitlist and Instagram Find this show on Instagram and TikTok for bonus clips.

  • S1 · E6
    January 22 · 26 min

    Carla Lalli On Hair, Skin And Life In Hot Kitchens

    Carla Lalli on what happens to your body in a professional kitchen, waking up at 13 and suddenly seeing curly hair in the mirror, and a preview of her upcoming cookbook. Subscribe to our Substack for behind-the-scenes stories: WeAreSpiraling.com Follow Priya on Instagram and TikTok MAYURA waitlist and Instagram Find this show on Instagram and TikTok for bonus clips.

  • S1 · E5
    January 8 · 20 min

    How To Look Like A Greek God

    Aphrodite: curly hair. Zeus: curly hair. The statue of David: curly hair. Ancient Greeks and Romans knew what we know on this show: curly hair is worth obsessing over. We talk to Janet Stephens, the world’s foremost expert on ancient Greek and Roman hairstyles and why curly hair was prized. Subscribe to our Substack for photos of these styles and how to recreate them. Subscribe to our Substack for behind-the-scenes stories: WeAreSpiraling.com Follow Priya on Instagram and TikTok MAYURA waitlist and Instagram Find this show on Instagram and TikTok for bonus clips.

  • S1 · E4
    Dec 9, 2025 · 19 min

    Hollywood Hates Curls. Here’s How That Affects All Of Us.

    In movies, the only people with curly hair are often weirdos or witches. Seinfeld icon and 87-year-old TikTok sensation Annie Korzen unpacks how biases affected her career and continue to influence culture. Subscribe to our Substack for behind-the-scenes stories: WeAreSpiraling.com Follow Priya on Instagram and TikTok MAYURA waitlist and Instagram Find this show on Instagram and TikTok for bonus clips.

  • S1 · E3
    Nov 24, 2025 · 22 min

    The Politics Of Curly Hair

    Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, former chair of the Democratic National Committee, explains the role her curly hair has played in her life and political career – from the pressure to change it to how opponents have used it as a hook for vicious insults. Subscribe to our Substack for behind-the-scenes stories: WeAreSpiraling.com Follow Priya on Instagram and TikTok MAYURA waitlist and Instagram Find this show on Instagram and TikTok for bonus clips.

  • S1 · E2
    Nov 13, 2025 · 21 min

    Why Are So Many People Secretly Curly?

    People go to great lengths to hide their curls, either through straightening or buzz cuts. We investigate why. Subscribe to our Substack for behind-the-scenes stories: WeAreSpiraling.com Follow Priya on Instagram and TikTok MAYURA waitlist and Instagram Find this show on Instagram and TikTok for bonus clips.

  • S1 · E1
    Nov 13, 2025 · 19 min

    A Curly Reporter Starts A New Investigation

    A reporter who covered startups for a decade starts her own: the curly hair care product line she’s always wanted. This show investigates curly hair in our culture. Subscribe to our Substack for behind-the-scenes stories: WeAreSpiraling.com Follow Priya on Instagram and TikTok MAYURA waitlist and Instagram Find this show on Instagram and TikTok for bonus clips.

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