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Unchained

Laura Shin

Crypto assets and blockchain technology are about to transform every trust-based interaction of our lives, from financial services to identity to the Internet of Things. In this podcast, host Laura Shin, an independent journalist covering all things crypto, talks with industry pioneers about how crypto assets and blockchains will change the way we earn, spend and invest our money. Tune in to find out how Web 3.0, the decentralized web, will revolutionize our world.


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  • August 13 · 18 min

    I Went Undercover to Interview a North Korean Crypto Hacker

    Under a fake name and a fake Zoom account, Laura Shin interviewed one of North Korea's state-sponsored crypto developers. Laura Shin went undercover as a recruiter named "Sophie Wang" to conduct a job interview with a state-sponsored IT worker going by the name “Justin Lim.” Lims’s online presence showed he had technical chops, multiple crypto dev gigs under his belt, and a privileged location. He had also allegedly stolen $2.7 million from MetaPlay in 2022. The interview shows the quirks of chitchatting with a North Korean “IT worker,” how adept they can be with blockchain technology, and what questions give them away as henchmen for North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un. Crypto companies Consensys to Sushi have unknowingly hired North Korean state hackers for years. This is what it looks like to ask the one question that gives them away. Host Laura Shin - Founder, CEO and Host of Unchained Sponsor Visit 1inch.com to swap tokenized securities, crypto and more. Simple. Secure. Self-custodial. Whatever asset you’re buying - swap it at 1inch.com Timestamps: 🇰🇵 00:10 Why Laura Shin went undercover to interview a North Korean crypto hacker 📁 02:44 The dossier: GitHub handles, stolen wallets, and a $2.7M MetaPlay heist 💻 06:26 The Zoom call begins: meeting 'Justin Lim,' the DPRK developer 💰 09:15 1inch Aqua: Back multiple liquidity positions with one wallet balance at https://1inch.com/aqua 🛠️ 10:12 How Lim forked Velas Network and sped up The Graph's indexing 🔐 11:38 Lim's answers on multisig wallets, reentrancy attacks, and Bybit's $1.5B hack 🎯 14:01 The holy grail question: can he say something negative about Kim Jong Un? 💔 17:01 Why the interview left Laura with sadness and gratitude Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

  • August 13 · 49 min

    DEX in the City: A Founder's Death Sparked a Fight for Ondo's Boardroom

    Ondo's founder died at 32, and now his mother and its ousted president are fighting for control. Katherine, Jessi, and Vy on the succession lesson crypto keeps skipping. ======================================================== Thank you to our sponsor! Visit 1inch.com to swap tokenized securities, crypto and more. Simple. Secure. Self-custodial. Whatever asset you’re buying - swap it at 1inch.com ======================================================== Ondo Finance co-founder and CEO Nathan Allman died suddenly this summer at 32, leaving the real-world-asset tokenizer with zero sitting directors and two people claiming to run the company: ousted president Ian De Bode, and Allman's mother Kathleen, acting for his estate. Katherine Kirkpatrick Bos, Jessi Brooks, and Vy Le use the fight to unpack a problem that has nothing to do with crypto and everything to do with it: what happens when a fast-growing company never writes down a succession plan. They also cover the White House's new frontier AI oversight framework, which officials confirm exists but will not publish, a proposed FDIC and OCC certification that would let a fintech satisfy every bank's diligence questions at once, and the CLARITY Act's newly scheduled September 15 cloture vote, squeezed into a narrow window before midterms. Vy Le asks the harder question underneath all three stories: can boundaries this important really be left voluntary? Host: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katherine Kirkpatrick Bos⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, Host of DEX in the City and General Counsel of Chainlink ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jessi Brooks⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, General Counsel at Ribbit Capital⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Vy Le⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - Co-host of DEX in the City and General Counsel of Veda Timestamps 🤖 01:40 Jessi on why AI agents are getting great at goals, bad at intent 🏛️ 08:12 Why the White House's new AI framework is finished, but secret 📣 13:42 1inch Aqua: See how the shared liquidity layer works at https://1inch.com/aqua ⚖️ 14:30 Ondo's board hits zero directors after founder Nathan Allman's death 🚌 20:08 KK's 'hit by a bus' rule: the succession plan every startup skips 🏦 27:06 The FDIC's plan to let one fintech certification satisfy every bank 📜 37:51 Why KK is nervous about the CLARITY Act's September cloture vote 🦥 46:16 Crypto good news: robot sloths saving an endangered species Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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