Trapital

Dan Runcie

Trapital is where technology meets culture. Hear breakdowns on the most important trends in tech, media, and entertainment. Trapital founder Dan Runcie and various guests break down the moves that shape the rest of society. Learn more

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Thursday · 45 min
Suno’s Grand Plan for the Future of Music
Suno is betting that music’s next big business is getting people to create and interact with songs. CEO and co-founder Mikey Shulman calls it “creative entertainment,” with a vision that reaches far beyond professional musicians. Mikey and I sat down to discuss Suno’s business model, its partnership with Warner Music Group, and what letting fans remix their favorite artists could unlock. We also dug into the copyright disputes surrounding AI training, Suno’s approach to streaming fraud, and how fan-created music could become part of the live concert experience. CHAPTERS 03:27 Suno’s Creative Entertainment Vision 06:58 Lessons from Gaming 08:52 Superfans and Artist Remixes 14:22 From Lawsuit to Warner Partnership 22:29 Beyond One Music Subscription 27:12 AI Training and Copyright 33:10 Tackling Streaming Fraud 36:46 Human Artistry and AI Labels 40:10 Suno’s Live Music Ambitions SPONSORS Chartmetric Flow: Flow is Chartmetric’s new AI-powered music intelligence tool that helps music professionals turn complex data into actionable insights. Ask questions in plain language, discover trends, and get the information you need to make smarter decisions, all without digging through dashboards. Learn more: https://flow.chartmetric.com/pricing/trapital TRAPITAL Where technology shapes culture. New episodes and memos every week. Sign up here for free.
November 5 · 37 min
The Business of Touring and Talent Agencies
Streaming numbers don’t always tell you how many tickets an artist can sell. Lee Anderson saw that firsthand with clients like ISOxo and Knock2. As co-president of music at THE·TEAM, formerly Wasserman, he helps artists build touring strategies around their goals and their fans. Lee and I sat down to discuss the changing role of talent agencies, how he navigated the company’s leadership crisis, and why the stadium touring boom is putting pressure on festivals. We also talked about ticket pricing, balancing data with instinct, Skrillex’s live strategy, and why destination shows and superfan experiences could shape the future of touring. CHAPTERS 03:45 From Promoter to Agent 07:26 Leading THE·TEAM Through Change 10:17 The Agency’s Role Beyond Touring 15:10 Festivals and Stadium Tours 23:40 Balancing Data and Instinct 27:05 What Makes EDM Different 32:27 Destination Shows, Merch, and Superfans SPONSORS Chartmetric Flow: Flow is Chartmetric’s new AI-powered music intelligence tool that helps music professionals turn complex data into actionable insights. Ask questions in plain language, discover trends, and get the information you need to make smarter decisions, all without digging through dashboards. Learn more: https://flow.chartmetric.com/pricing/trapital Symphonic: Distribute your music to one of the largest networks in the industry. Symphonic delivers your music to over 200 digital service providers, ensuring that you’re monetizing every stream and use of your music on Spotify, TikTok, YouTube, and more. TRAPITAL Where technology shapes culture. New episodes and memos every week. Sign up here for free.
November 3 · 22 min
NVIDIA’s Vision for AI, Music, and Hollywood
NVIDIA is best known for everything it does to power AI, but its work in media and entertainment goes much further. At the Trapital Summit I sat down with, Richard Kerris, VP and GM of media and entertainment at NVIDIA. He discussed NVIDIA’s work with Universal Music Group, Adobe, Runway, Getty. and why entertainment companies’ public comments on AI can differ from what happens behind closed doors. We also discussed music discovery in a flood of AI content, how CEO Jensen Huang evaluates new opportunities, what happened to the metaverse, and how AI agents could give creators more control over their work. CHAPTERS 03:48 NVIDIA and Universal Music Group 06:44 The Disconnect Around AI Messaging 10:10 Music Discovery and the AI Content Flood 12:46 Zero Billion Dollar Opportunity 17:21 AI Agents and the Creative Process SPONSORS Chartmetric Flow: Flow is Chartmetric’s new AI-powered music intelligence tool that helps music professionals turn complex data into actionable insights. Ask questions in plain language, discover trends, and get the information you need to make smarter decisions, all without digging through dashboards. Learn more: https://flow.chartmetric.com/pricing/trapital Symphonic: Distribute your music to one of the largest networks in the industry. Symphonic delivers your music to over 200 digital service providers, ensuring that you’re monetizing every stream and use of your music on Spotify, TikTok, YouTube, and more. TRAPITAL Where technology shapes culture. New episodes and memos every week. Sign up here for free.
October 29 · 24 min
BONUS: JAY-Z’s Super Bowl Endgame
Jay-Z has spent years helping decide who performs at the Super Bowl halftime show. Now he’s taking the stage himself. After a year of stadium shows and playing offense, his 2027 headlining spot raises the question of what comes next. Justin Tinsley of Andscape joins me for this bonus episode to break down the announcement, Roc Nation’s NFL partnership, and how Jay-Z turns cultural moments into business opportunities. We also discuss the gap between online criticism and ticket sales, potential appearances from Beyoncé and Blue Ivy Carter, and whether a new album or tour could follow. CHAPTERS 03:33 Why Jay-Z, Why Now 05:26 The Announcement and the Leak 09:06 Online Backlash and Ticket Prices 10:35 Roc Nation’s NFL Partnership 12:35 Jay-Z’s Business Playbook 14:20 What Comes Next in 2027 18:07 Expectations for the Halftime Show SPONSORS Chartmetric Flow: Flow is Chartmetric’s new AI-powered music intelligence tool that helps music professionals turn complex data into actionable insights. Ask questions in plain language, discover trends, and get the information you need to make smarter decisions, all without digging through dashboards. Learn more: https://flow.chartmetric.com/pricing/trapital Symphonic NEXT: Unlock the value of your music catalog with flexible funding and strategic support from Symphonic Distribution. Whether you're an artist, manager, label, or rights owner, NEXT offers royalty advances, catalog sales, and growth opportunities tailored to your goals—without sacrificing creative control. Learn more: https://symphonic.com/next TRAPITAL Where technology shapes culture. New episodes and memos every week. Sign up here for free.
October 28 · 24 min
Inside Ticketmaster: Fans, Fraud, and False Narratives
I sat down with Saumil Mehta, Global President of Ticketmaster, at the 2026 Trapital Summit to talk about the future of ticketing. Saumil and I discussed the challenges of earning fans’ trust, why he personally responds to complaints on X, and the fight against bots and ticket fraud. We also talked about the technology fans don’t see, venue exclusivity, and where he believes Ticketmaster’s public reputation differs from how the business operates. CHAPTERS 02:58 From Square to Ticketmaster 05:14 Product, Design, and AI 06:17 Fan Trust and Transparency 11:36 Bots, Fraud, and Resale 13:21 The “Blue Dot Fever” Debate 14:51 Beyond the Ticketmaster App 17:09 Venue Choice and Exclusivity SPONSORS Chartmetric Flow: Flow is Chartmetric’s new AI-powered music intelligence tool that helps music professionals turn complex data into actionable insights. Ask questions in plain language, discover trends, and get the information you need to make smarter decisions, all without digging through dashboards. Learn more: https://flow.chartmetric.com/pricing/trapital TRAPITAL Where technology shapes culture. New episodes and memos every week. Sign up here for free.
October 23 · 27 min
Amazon's Big Bets on Music, Twitch, and Podcasts
I sat down with Steve Boom, VP of Audio, Twitch & Games, at the 2026 Trapital Summit to talk about the competition for your attention. Boom oversees Amazon Music, Wondery, Twitch, Audible, and more. Steve and I discussed the company's partnership with Oprah Winfrey, the tradeoffs of podcast exclusivity, and Amazon Music’s future. We also talked about streaming prices, Twitch’s evolution beyond gaming, and how AI could help Audible reach more listeners worldwide. CHAPTERS 01:24 Competing for Your Attention 03:09 Oprah and Podcast Exclusivity 06:35 Amazon Music’s Growth 09:31 How Amazon Measures Success 12:55 Free Tiers and Streaming Prices 17:45 Twitch Beyond Gaming 20:38 AI and the Future of Audiobooks SPONSORS Chartmetric Flow: Flow is Chartmetric’s new AI-powered music intelligence tool that helps music professionals turn complex data into actionable insights. Ask questions in plain language, discover trends, and get the information you need to make smarter decisions, all without digging through dashboards. Learn more: https://flow.chartmetric.com/pricing/trapital TRAPITAL Where technology shapes culture. New episodes and memos every week. Sign up here for free.
October 19 · 17 min
Why Some Artists Go Global (and Others Don't)
Brazil’s biggest music stars can build massive audiences at home, while Nigeria’s global stars often find most of their listeners abroad. Both are finding success, but the paths to building those audiences look very different. Sung Cho, founder and CEO of Chartmetric, joined me at the Trapital Summit to break down the company’s new report, The New Sound of Global Music. We discussed how music from Mexico, Nigeria, India, Japan, and Brazil travels across borders, why one global hit doesn’t guarantee lasting momentum, and what streaming numbers can miss. We also talked about Chartmetric Flow, how AI can help plan tours and identify brand partnerships, and why execution still matters when everyone has access to the same tools. CHAPTERS 01:54 The Ripple Effect of Global Hits 05:39 Brazil vs. Nigeria’s Superstars 07:41 What Streaming Data Misses 10:53 Introducing Chartmetric Flow 12:16 Tour Planning and Brand Partnerships 14:53 Why Execution Still Matters SPONSORS Chartmetric Flow: Flow is Chartmetric’s new AI-powered music intelligence tool that helps music professionals turn complex data into actionable insights. Ask questions in plain language, discover trends, and get the information you need to make smarter decisions, all without digging through dashboards. Learn more: https://flow.chartmetric.com/pricing/trapital TRAPITAL Where technology shapes culture. New episodes and memos every week. Sign up here for free.
October 14 · 21 min
The Business of Sold Out Tours and Festivals
Kevin Shivers started in an agency mailroom at 31. Today, he’s Co-President of Music at THE·TEAM, representing artists including Tyler, the Creator, Leon Thomas, and Kali Uchis. His approach to building the agency centers on teamwork, developing artists, and what he calls “unreasonable hospitality.” Kevin sat down with Billboard’s Taylor Mims at the Trapital Summit to break down his journey, what he looks for when signing artists, and how he’s helped grow Tyler, the Creator’s touring business over 14 years. They also discussed why stadium tours are making festival bookings harder, how fans are changing the way they buy tickets, and why selling out immediately isn’t always the right goal. CHAPTERS 01:37 Building the Number One Agency 02:54 From the Mailroom to Co-President 06:42 Finding Artists with Staying Power 09:24 Tyler, the Creator’s Touring Growth 11:42 Festivals vs. Headline Tours 15:05 Stadiums and the Live Music Business 17:12 Ticket Sales and Sellout Strategy SPONSORS Chartmetric: Listen in for our Stat of the Week. Chartmetric Flow: Flow is Chartmetric’s new AI-powered music intelligence tool that helps music professionals turn complex data into actionable insights. Ask questions in plain language, discover trends, and get the information you need to make smarter decisions, all without digging through dashboards. Learn more: https://flow.chartmetric.com/pricing/trapital TRAPITAL Where technology shapes culture. New episodes and memos every week. Sign up here for free.
October 8 · 31 min
KevOnStage Keeps It Real on Touring Economics, Tubi, and Ownership
KevOnStage has millions of followers, a growing production company, and the largest creator deal Tubi has signed to date. But live touring still drives roughly 60% of his revenue, while his TV shows are more about building his long-term business. Kev and I sat down at the Trapital Summit to break down his business model, why he can sometimes make more money selling 300 tickets at a church than 1,000 tickets at a traditional venue, and his frustrations with Live Nation and Ticketmaster fees. We also discussed his Tubi deal, the importance of ownership, lessons from Tyler Perry and Issa Rae, and how he's building an audience across platforms. CHAPTERS 02:00 Tubi Deal and Ownership 07:29 KevOnStage's Revenue Breakdown 12:23 Live Nation and Ticketmaster Economics 17:23 Why Kev Prefers to Tour in Churches 20:11 Tyler Perry and Issa Rae 25:53 The Creator Business Flywheel SPONSORS Chartmetric: Listen in for our Stat of the Week. Chartmetric Flow: Flow is Chartmetric's new AI-powered music intelligence tool that helps music professionals turn complex data into actionable insights. Ask questions in plain language, discover trends, and get the information you need to make smarter decisions, all without digging through dashboards. Learn more: https://flow.chartmetric.com/pricing/trapital TRAPITAL Where technology shapes culture. New episodes and memos every week. Sign up here for free.
September 30 · 25 min
Larry Mestel on What Makes a Song Worth Millions
I sat down with Primary Wave CEO Larry at the Trapital Summit. When Larry started Primary Wave in 2006, the company had roughly $60 million to invest. Twenty years later, Primary Wave raised a record $2.2 billion fund dedicated. It has partnered with the estates and catalogs of Whitney Houston, Prince, Bob Marley, James Brown, Luther Vandross, and more. Larry and I talked about how Primary Wave evaluates music rights, recent acquisitions, the rise of capital in the space, the criticism that the firm has given, and more. CHAPTERS 07:53 What makes a music catalog valuable 11:38 Active vs. passive management 12:16 Whitney Houston, Prince, and other estates 16:36 Why Primary Wave acquired Kobalt 23:09 The future of music rights valuations This conversation was recorded live at Trapital Summit 2026 in Los Angeles. Listen here: Spotify | Apple Podcasts | YouTube | Overcast Links mentioned: Primary Wave Music Primary Wave’s acquisition of Kobalt Primary Wave’s $2.2 billion Music IP Fund IV Trapital Summit 2026 Why Investors Are Looking Beyond Iconic Music Catalogs — Trapital’s conversation with Flexpoint Ford’s Mike Morris Presented by Chartmetric
September 18 · 21 min
What We Learned at Trapital Summit 2026
The third annual Trapital Summit is officially in the books. We are joined by MIdiA Research's Tati Cirisano to look back on what happened in Los Angeles, from the standout moments on stage to the conversations that continued throughout the room. We break down the ideas that sparked the most discussion, the biggest takeaways from the day, and what the Summit revealed about where music, media, entertainment, and finance are headed next. We also reflect on how the event has grown over the past three years and preview the Summit conversations coming soon to the podcast. CHAPTERS 01:51 Entertainment Convergence 04:15 Platforms vs. Artists 06:14 Suno’s Major Label Deals 08:56 Netflix and Music 14:40 Finance vs. Artist Development 16:53 Merch and Fandom 18:19 KevOnStage’s Business Model SPONSORS Chartmetric: Listen in for our Stat of the Week. Symphonic: Distribute your music to one of the largest networks in the industry. Symphonic delivers your music to over 200 digital service providers ensuring that you’re monetizing every stream and use of your music on Spotify, TikTok, YouTube, and more TRAPITAL Where technology shapes culture. New episodes and memos every week. Sign up here for free.
September 14 · 14 min
Buyer Beware: The Rise of Debt in Music Rights Deals
In our final bold prediction before Trapital Summit, Guillaume de Chalendar, Executive Vice President and Head of Media and Entertainment Banking at Banc of California, joins us to discuss the growing wave of capital entering the music industry. Guillaume explains why artists and rights holders may borrow against their catalogs instead of selling them, along with the risks of overleveraging valuable music assets. We break down lender rights, foreclosure risk, capital stacks, rising loan-to-value ratios, and why choosing the right lender and advisors matters more than ever. Join us at Trapital Summit on September 15: https://www.trapital.com/summit/2026 CHAPTERS 02:22 Capital Influx 02:43 Catalog Loans 03:22 Foreclosure Risk 06:12 Banks vs. New Lenders 06:40 Sell, Borrow, or Stack? 08:23 Music ABS Growth 11:08Trapital Summit SPONSORS Chartmetric: Listen in for our Stat of the Week Symphonic: Distribute your music to one of the largest networks in the industry. Symphonic delivers your music to over 200 digital service providers ensuring that you’re monetizing every stream and use of your music on Spotify, TikTok, YouTube, and more TRAPITAL Where technology shapes culture. New episodes and memos every week. Sign up here for free.
September 4 · 33 min
Who Will Win in the AI Music Courtroom?
AI music’s legal landscape is getting more complicated. We break down three questions at the center of the debate: whether AI can learn from copyrighted work, how companies obtain training data, and whether AI-generated outputs compete with original music. Then, Vydia co-president Jenna Gaudio and NVIDIA’s Shari Reich share bold predictions about context-aware listening and how AI could unlock the value of existing music catalogs. Trapital Summit 2026 is happening on Tuesday, September 15 in Los Angeles. Get your tickets here: https://www.trapital.com/summit/2026 CHAPTERS 02:52 Three Copyright Questions 08:12 Why AI Firms Still License 10:54 Trapital Summit 13:24 Jenna Gaudio’s Prediction 18:45 Context-Aware Listening 21:57 Rights and Infrastructure 23:44 Shari Reich’s Prediction 25:27 Unlocking Music Catalogs 27:12 AI as a Tool 30:49 Catalog Is the New Content SPONSORS Chartmetric: Listen in for our Stat of the Week. TRAPITAL Where technology shapes culture. New episodes and memos every week. Sign up here for free.
August 27 · 32 min
What Dollywood Got Right About Artist-Led Businesses
Dolly Parton’s most valuable asset wasn’t her music, it was her theme park. We kickoff the episode with an exploration of Dollywood. Then on our road to Trapital Summit, Shot Tower Capital’s Rob Law and Antwyne DeLinde joins us for bold prediction: Why AI could increase the value of human-made music, improve royalty collection, and strengthen catalog cash flows. Musixmatch Co-President Marco Paglia also predicts that, within three years, every AI-generated song will be licensed before it is created, opening the door to personalized music and entirely new revenue streams. The Trapital Summit is happening September 15 in Los Angeles. Get your ticket here: https://www.trapital.com/summit/2026 CHAPTERS 03:33 Dolly Parton’s Legacy 05:54 The Artist Wealth Funnel 08:49 AI’s Upside for Music 11:49 Predicting Catalog Cash Flow 16:23 AI and Catalog Values 19:21 Licensing Before Release 22:42 Personalized Music 26:41 Musixmatch’s AI Framework 28:47 What Needs to Change SPONSORS Chartmetric: Listen in for our Stat of the Week. Symphonic: Distribute your music to one of the largest networks in the industry. Symphonic delivers your music to over 200 digital service providers ensuring that you’re monetizing every stream and use of your music on Spotify, TikTok, YouTube, and more TRAPITAL Where technology shapes culture. New episodes and memos every week. Sign up here for free.
August 18 · 34 min
Should Netflix Start Streaming Music?
Could music become Netflix’s next big content category? In this episode, we break down Warner Music Group CEO Robert Kyncl’s case for bringing music to Netflix, why it could give both Netflix and the music industry more leverage against YouTube, and how advertising could make the opportunity more compelling. We also explore the challenges, from licensing economics and consumer behavior to whether Netflix actually needs a full music offering. Then, on the road to Trapital Summit, Epidemic Sound’s VP, Strategic Music Partnerships, Jesper Staffas joins us for a bold prediction: traditional record labels and music companies will increasingly look like IP law firms with music divisions. CHAPTERS 04:39 Why Music Wants Netflix 09:34 The Case for Netflix 10:18 Netflix’s Ad Opportunity 13:34 Why Netflix May Pass 16:16 The Consumer Behavior Problem 21:18 Should Netflix Test Music? 25:21 Bold Prediction: Music’s Legal Future 26:01 More Lawyers Than A&Rs? 27:30 Music Licensing and Brands Get your tickets here - September 15 in LA: Trapital Summit Tickets SPONSORS Chartmetric: Listen in for our Stat of the Week Symphonic: Distribute your music to one of the largest networks in the industry. Symphonic delivers your music to over 200 digital service providers ensuring that you’re monetizing every stream and use of your music on Spotify, TikTok, YouTube, and more TRAPITAL Where technology shapes culture. New episodes and memos every week. Sign up here for free.
July 31 · 32 min
Why Investors Are Looking Beyond Iconic Music Catalogs
The music business has changed dramatically over the past decade, especially in the independent sector. We sit down with Flexpoint Ford's Managing Director, Mike Morris, to discuss why independent music has become such an attractive investment opportunity, how fragmentation creates value, and how investors weigh catalog ownership against infrastructure, services, and technology. We also explore what makes a music investment durable in an increasingly competitive market. CHAPTERS 02:26 Why Independent Music Is Winning 03:42 Infrastructure and Artist Catalogs 05:23 Diversified Portfolios 13:49 Music’s Biggest Opportunity 17:47 Are Legacy Catalogs Overpriced? 23:34 AI and Music Investing 27:57 The Weeknd's Catalog Deal Get your tickets here - 9/15 in LA: Trapital Summit Tickets SPONSORS Chartmetric: Listen in for our Stat of the Week Symphonic: Distribute your music to one of the largest networks in the industry. Symphonic delivers your music to over 200 digital service providers ensuring that you’re monetizing every stream and use of your music on Spotify, TikTok, YouTube, and more TRAPITAL Where technology shapes culture. New episodes and memos every week. Sign up here for free.
July 22 · 32 min
Jay-Z’s Year of Offense, Explained
Jay-Z's 2026 has been a victory lap of sorts. Anniversary shows, stadium runs, and enemies put on notice. He’s focused on the music, yet less public on the business moves. But maybe that’s by design. For years, one of Jay Z’s goal was to attain more wealth and become richer. Mission accomplished, he’s the world’s richest musician. But ever since he got there, the climate has long shifted. For public figures, billionaire status is more nuanced and complex than ever before. We're joined by ESPN’s Justin Tinsley to break it all down. We discuss why Jay went "all offense" this year, how the cultural conversation around wealth turned on him, his music, Roc Nation, the Super Bowl Halftime Show, and more. After Justin’s segment, we have a bold prediction from Symphonic CEO Jorge Brea. CHAPTERS 05:13 2026 is Jay Z's "All Offense" Year 09:14 Billionaire Scrutiny and Public Image 17:12 The American Carnival 26:32 Who Will Perform at the Super Bowl in 2027? Bold Prediction: Symphonic’s Jorge Brea Trapital Summit Tickets - Get your tickets here SPONSORS Chartmetric: Listen in for our Stat of the Week TRAPITAL Where technology shapes culture. New episodes and memos every week. Sign up here for free.
July 13 · 31 min
Bold Predictions: The Future for Songwriters and Creators
Our third annual Trapital Summit is right around the corner, live September 15 at the Sunset Room Hollywood. We're kicking off a new segment called Bold Predictions, where you’ll hear from the executives from our sponsors who made this year’s summit possible. Today we’re joined by Lucas Keller, president and founder of Milk & Honey as he explains why shrinking splits could turn songwriting into a vanity business. We’re also joined by Maurice Slade, head of music of SoundCloud, who predicts why AI will mint a new kind of creator the way that sampling once did. CHAPTERS 04:13 Bold Predictions: A New Series 04:58 Lucas Keller: The Future for Songwriters 11:47 Why The AI Threat is Overstated 17:26 Maurice Slade: The Dawn of a New Creator 22:57 When Music Becomes Self Expression Trapital Summit Tickets - Early bird pricing ends July 15 SPONSORS Chartmetric: Listen in for our Stat of the Week TRAPITAL Where technology shapes culture. New episodes and memos every week. Sign up here for free.
July 1 · 17 min
Remembering Clive Davis: 1932 - 2026
My April 2026 interview with Clive Davis (watch here or listen here) was one of his last before he passed away in June 2026. Here are my reflections on my interactions with Clive, and a few parts of his legacy that still get overlooked. You can also revisit our original Trapital episode on Clive’s career Here. CHAPTERS 04:23 Reflecting on our interview 06:03 Clive's overlooked career peak 10:03 Clive's relationship with American Idol 13:15 Clive and the Future of Music Chartmetric: Listen in for our Stat of the Week TRAPITAL Where technology shapes culture. New episodes and memos every week. Sign up here for free.
June 9 · 30 min
When AI Writes Code and Makes Music, What's Left for Humans?
AI keeps getting called music's biggest threat. Or its biggest opportunity. Both framings miss the point. The real question is harder: if AI can handle the cognitive work, what's left that actually matters? We're joined by Jessica Powell, CEO and co-founder of AudioShake, to figure that out. We talked about why experienced practitioners get the most out of AI, what happens to the creators caught in the middle, and whether "AI-generated" is already a useless label. We also break down how AudioShake works — not generative AI, but subtractive stem separation and why physical media and community could be music's quiet hedge against digital abundance. CHAPTERS 04:53 Music vs. Code 07:46 Taste and Differentiation 14:27 Should We Label AI Music? 17:41 How AudioShake Works 26:23 Vibe Coding, Jobs, and Disruption SUMMIT Get your Trapital Summit tickets here SPONSORS Chartmetric: Listen in for our Stat of the Week Symphonic: Distribute your music to one of the largest networks in the industry. Symphonic delivers your music to over 200 digital service providers ensuring that you’re monetizing every stream and use of your music on Spotify, TikTok, YouTube, and more TRAPITAL Where technology shapes culture. New episodes and memos every week. Sign up here for free.

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