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The Raven Effect

The Raven Effect

Join professional wrestling superstar & world class buffoon, Raven, along with a motley assortment of friends, enemies, know-it-alls, know nothings, professional level morons and highly functioning sociopaths, for a veritable cornucopia of stupidity covering current events, conspiracies, pop culture, politics, general muckety-muck, and any and all topics that can be properly bantered by professional idiots, such as us.Featuring two sidekicks of minimal intelligence, Joseph A. Feeney (and the A stands for Asshole,) and Rich B. Bocchini (and the B stands for Belligerent), collectively known as the Eenie Meenies... see, Feeney and Bocchini rhymes with Eenie Meenie... ah, you get it...

  • 478 episodes
  • Updated July 27
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Episodes478

  • July 27 · 1 hr 2 min

    The British are C*mming, The British are C*mming

    Before we get started this week, Rich is not here which may please you or disappoint you; This week's news items include a story of one lucky bastard's thrift store find; We take a look at the sad fate of Gilligan's Island and figure out where things started going wrong; Gen Z is smoking again; Raven has to teach Feeney something about computers, which totally illustrates how messed up and backwards things can get; With Rich gone, Raven and Feeney get to talk some UFC without having to hear the whining they'd normally be subjected to; We go to the ultimate site for lists and find a list to talk about because we are list people who like lists, so this list lets us list things; Little known fact about Sean Connery gets put there for the audience; Fanmail, and of course, all the usual perversions. Purchase the Blu-Ray Raven's documentary: https://vinegarsyndrome.com/products/nevermore-the-raven-effect Or watch it online on Gathr: https://gathr.com/vod/ec0e2fb0/nevermore-the-raven-effect The show now has a Facebook page, so go CHECK IT OUT Follow the guys on social media Raven - @theRavenEffect Feeney - @jffeeney3rd Buy yourself some Raven shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/raven Or even some Feeney shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/ccwithjoefeeney Have Raven say things that you want him to say, either for yourself or for someone you want to talk big-game shit to by going to http://www.cameo.com/ravenprime1 Sign up for Patreon by going to http://www.patreon.com/TheRavenEffect it's only $5 a month! Get extra content AND watch the show! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

  • July 20 · 1 hr 9 min

    Bill Goldberg for President?

    Right off the bat, we apologize for the anemic horn and whistle section, it appears the Raven Effect band leader did too much blowing during the week and didn't leave enough juice for the show; Feeney was today years old when he learned the cast of Cheers MIGHT have been alcoholics, allegedly; If you're a subscriber to Patreon, you would get to see the world's largest operating steam locomotive, the Union Pacific Big Boy, and if you don't have Patreon, you should since it's only $5; Who would be the better president: Disco or Goldberg? RIP Siva "Superfly" Afi; Conspiracy theorists are working overtime and Feeney is here for it; We take a look and rate the best best Martial Arts TV shows; This week's news items include terrorism conspiracy charges, and of course, all the usual perversions. Purchase the Blu-Ray Raven's documentary: https://vinegarsyndrome.com/products/nevermore-the-raven-effect Or watch it online on Gathr: https://gathr.com/vod/ec0e2fb0/nevermore-the-raven-effect The show now has a Facebook page, so go CHECK IT OUT Follow the guys on social media Raven - @theRavenEffect Feeney - @jffeeney3rd Buy yourself some Raven shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/raven Or even some Feeney shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/ccwithjoefeeney Have Raven say things that you want him to say, either for yourself or for someone you want to talk big-game shit to by going to http://www.cameo.com/ravenprime1 Sign up for Patreon by going to http://www.patreon.com/TheRavenEffect it's only $5 a month! Get extra content AND watch the show! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

  • July 13 · 1 hr 8 min

    A Q-Tip in the dick hole is NOT enjoyable

    This week Rich is either trying to be a 70s porn star or a cat, no one is sure why; We go through the Cunningham family tree looking for one we like, and give Sophie Cunningham love; You can find almost anything on Reddit, and Feeney gets an idea from one of the groups; We learn the origin of the word Piledriver; 2026 is a big year for movies, even Rich has one he wants to see; Feeney wants to podcast from Saudi Arabia next year, which could either be great, or a total disaster; Raven and Feeney try to predict what's gonna happen in the Conor McGregor fight over the weekend; Ranking the women of the world; RIP Bonnie Tyler, and of course, all the usual perversions. Purchase the Blu-Ray Raven's documentary: https://vinegarsyndrome.com/products/nevermore-the-raven-effect Or watch it online on Gathr: https://gathr.com/vod/ec0e2fb0/nevermore-the-raven-effect The show now has a Facebook page, so go CHECK IT OUT Follow the guys on social media Raven - @theRavenEffect Feeney - @jffeeney3rd Buy yourself some Raven shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/raven Or even some Feeney shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/ccwithjoefeeney Have Raven say things that you want him to say, either for yourself or for someone you want to talk big-game shit to by going to http://www.cameo.com/ravenprime1 Sign up for Patreon by going to http://www.patreon.com/TheRavenEffect it's only $5 a month! Get extra content AND watch the show! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

  • July 6 · 1 hr 2 min

    It's always sunny in Philly, unless it's shitty

    This week we say RIP to Daveigh Chase from The Ring and Lilo & Stitch; Congrats to Konnan being named as an inductee to the TNA Hall of Fame, and Feeney gives everyone an update on his health; Why were they called floppy discs? We learn the lengths a concert goer will go to not miss a song; Jimmy Eat World finally apologizes to fans, but not for what you might think; Feeney admits to having never been to a Waffle House; We play a couple rounds of trivia, and of course, all the usual perversions. Purchase the Blu-Ray Raven's documentary: https://vinegarsyndrome.com/products/nevermore-the-raven-effect Or watch it online on Gathr: https://gathr.com/vod/ec0e2fb0/nevermore-the-raven-effect The show now has a Facebook page, so go CHECK IT OUT Follow the guys on social media Raven - @theRavenEffect Feeney - @jffeeney3rd Buy yourself some Raven shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/raven Or even some Feeney shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/ccwithjoefeeney Have Raven say things that you want him to say, either for yourself or for someone you want to talk big-game shit to by going to http://www.cameo.com/ravenprime1 Sign up for Patreon by going to http://www.patreon.com/TheRavenEffect it's only $5 a month! Get extra content AND watch the show! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

  • June 29 · 1 hr 13 min

    Is that your real name, or a porn name?

    This week Raven breaks from the norm and talks some wrestling, where it's been a bad week for TNA, Tommy Dreamer and Bully Ray; We get subjected to dad jokes, and everyone knows how quality those can be; The top music videos of all time and the best martial arts movies of ALL time, or so they say; RIP The Duke of Dorchester, and of course, all the usual perversions. Purchase the Blu-Ray Raven's documentary: https://vinegarsyndrome.com/products/nevermore-the-raven-effect Or watch it online on Gathr: https://gathr.com/vod/ec0e2fb0/nevermore-the-raven-effect The show now has a Facebook page, so go CHECK IT OUT Follow the guys on social media Raven - @theRavenEffect Feeney - @jffeeney3rd Buy yourself some Raven shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/raven Or even some Feeney shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/ccwithjoefeeney Have Raven say things that you want him to say, either for yourself or for someone you want to talk big-game shit to by going to http://www.cameo.com/ravenprime1 Sign up for Patreon by going to http://www.patreon.com/TheRavenEffect it's only $5 a month! Get extra content AND watch the show! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

  • June 22 · 1 hr 9 min

    The icky parts of a woman ARE the best parts afterall ...

    This week we immediately go off the rails talking about the game of Life; WTF is a "fence builder"? We have a couple of lists this week, including the Top 10 board games, and the best-selling board games; Feeney confuses a spinner like Riley Reid for a spinster; Rich updates everyone as to where he was last week; Strange things that happen to people when sleepwalking; This week's news items you didn't know about; Things you DO NOT do with a penis, and of course, all the usual perversions. Purchase the Blu-Ray Raven's documentary: https://vinegarsyndrome.com/products/nevermore-the-raven-effect Or watch it online on Gathr: https://gathr.com/vod/ec0e2fb0/nevermore-the-raven-effect The show now has a Facebook page, so go CHECK IT OUT Follow the guys on social media Raven - @theRavenEffect Feeney - @jffeeney3rd Buy yourself some Raven shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/raven Or even some Feeney shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/ccwithjoefeeney Have Raven say things that you want him to say, either for yourself or for someone you want to talk big-game shit to by going to http://www.cameo.com/ravenprime1 Sign up for Patreon by going to http://www.patreon.com/TheRavenEffect it's only $5 a month! Get extra content AND watch the show! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

  • June 15 · 1 hr 11 min

    Professional gambling tips from total non professional gamblers

    This week Rich is MIA, which Raven has a couple of theories as to why; Don Callis and Tommy Dreamer have a feud cooking online, who wins? Raven and Feeney make their UFC bets, and offer other gambling tips; The history of illegal gambling in Brazil gives Feeney an idea; This week's news items; We're taking a sex quiz, and of course, all the usual perversions. Purchase the Blu-Ray Raven's documentary: https://vinegarsyndrome.com/products/nevermore-the-raven-effect Or watch it online on Gathr: https://gathr.com/vod/ec0e2fb0/nevermore-the-raven-effect The show now has a Facebook page, so go CHECK IT OUT Follow the guys on social media Raven - @theRavenEffect Feeney - @jffeeney3rd Buy yourself some Raven shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/raven Or even some Feeney shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/ccwithjoefeeney Have Raven say things that you want him to say, either for yourself or for someone you want to talk big-game shit to by going to http://www.cameo.com/ravenprime1 Sign up for Patreon by going to http://www.patreon.com/TheRavenEffect it's only $5 a month! Get extra content AND watch the show! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

  • June 8 · 1 hr 16 min

    It's time for a Ridiculous Quiz!

    This week we ponder what the point of having a private Instagram page while getting to experience the best of Donnie Iris; Rich reveals he's a train geek and gives us a lesson on Union Pacific's Big Boy No. 4014; WTF does "Slam pig" mean? We take one of those online quizzes, and find out which one of Batman's most ridiculous villains we are; Does anyone know or remember the 1995 TV show Nowhere Man? This week's news items include something quite shitty and much more; Feeney and Rich finally agree on something, and of course, all the usual perversions. Purchase the Blu-Ray Raven's documentary: https://vinegarsyndrome.com/products/nevermore-the-raven-effect Or watch it online on Gathr: https://gathr.com/vod/ec0e2fb0/nevermore-the-raven-effect The show now has a Facebook page, so go CHECK IT OUT Follow the guys on social media Raven - @theRavenEffect Feeney - @jffeeney3rd Buy yourself some Raven shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/raven Or even some Feeney shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/ccwithjoefeeney Have Raven say things that you want him to say, either for yourself or for someone you want to talk big-game shit to by going to http://www.cameo.com/ravenprime1 Sign up for Patreon by going to http://www.patreon.com/TheRavenEffect it's only $5 a month! Get extra content AND watch the show! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

  • June 1 · 1 hr 6 min

    Boy, that escalated quickly

    This week we're talking about some bands whose music all sounds the same, and different at the same time; Rich explains "turtleing" is and rage quits in the middle of the show; Important health tip for everyone, avoid the foot juice; What would a Venn diagram show is the crossover between anime cosplay fans and wrestling fans? Feeney screws up the entire news segment with comments from 1957, which sound a lot like comments made today; Jeff Bezos makes a statement about taxes; The nine best animated series for adults get listed; America's most misspelled words, and of course, all the usual perversions. Purchase the Blu-Ray Raven's documentary: https://vinegarsyndrome.com/products/nevermore-the-raven-effect Or watch it online on Gathr: https://gathr.com/vod/ec0e2fb0/nevermore-the-raven-effect The show now has a Facebook page, so go CHECK IT OUT Follow the guys on social media Raven - @theRavenEffect Feeney - @k100konnan @theccnetwork1 Buy yourself some Raven shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/raven Or even some Feeney shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/ccwithjoefeeney Have Raven say things that you want him to say, either for yourself or for someone you want to talk big-game shit to by going to http://www.cameo.com/ravenprime1 Sign up for Patreon by going to http://www.patreon.com/TheRavenEffect it's only $5 a month! Get extra content AND watch the show! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

  • May 25 · 1 hr 6 min

    Balloon fetishes are fun, until they pop

    This week we immediately get some light racism from Rich, but not that kind of racism; How much money was lost on the Rousey/Carano fight? If Raven and the Eenie Meanies were to form a band, what would their name be? When Googling goes wrong; Would anyone date a chick that isn't into oral? The guys play a round of Fuck, Marry, Kill; Fanmail, and of course, all the usual perversions. Purchase the Blu-Ray Raven's documentary: https://vinegarsyndrome.com/products/nevermore-the-raven-effect Or watch it online on Gathr: https://gathr.com/vod/ec0e2fb0/nevermore-the-raven-effect The show now has a Facebook page, so go CHECK IT OUT Follow the guys on social media Raven - @theRavenEffect Feeney - @jffeeney3rd Buy yourself some Raven shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/raven Or even some Feeney shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/ccwithjoefeeney Have Raven say things that you want him to say, either for yourself or for someone you want to talk big-game shit to by going to http://www.cameo.com/ravenprime1 Sign up for Patreon by going to http://www.patreon.com/TheRavenEffect it's only $5 a month! Get extra content AND watch the show! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

  • May 18 · 1 hr 13 min

    This C.U.M. Train has left the Station

    This week the new assistant Grok gives his take on the show, and it's proof that AI has a long way to go before replacing humans; Feeney shares an urban legend about the Dallas Sportatorium; What are Macklemore and Bush up to these days? Great music festivals you most likely never went to; This week's news you didn't know about, including a feel good story involving beagles; WTF is Enshittification? Some of the most unusual and funniest airport codes that proves the FAA has a sense of humor, and of course, all the usual perversions. Purchase the Blu-Ray Raven's documentary: https://vinegarsyndrome.com/products/nevermore-the-raven-effect Or watch it online on Gathr: https://gathr.com/vod/ec0e2fb0/nevermore-the-raven-effect The show now has a Facebook page, so go CHECK IT OUT Follow the guys on social media Raven - @theRavenEffect Feeney - @jffeeney3rd Buy yourself some Raven shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/raven Or even some Feeney shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/ccwithjoefeeney Have Raven say things that you want him to say, either for yourself or for someone you want to talk big-game shit to by going to http://www.cameo.com/ravenprime1 Sign up for Patreon by going to http://www.patreon.com/TheRavenEffect it's only $5 a month! Get extra content AND watch the show! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

  • May 11 · 1 hr

    Raven Goes to the Movies

    This week Raven introduces the audience to a new Eenie-Meanie; Feeney is looking for friends on the Playstation Network so he can play the new WWE game, so go play with him; We react to the movie wonder that is The Thing With Two Heads and Tiptoes; Rich tries to tell an airport to STFU, and it fails miserably; Who still has an AOL email address, and of course, all the usual perversions. Purchase the Blu-Ray Raven's documentary: https://vinegarsyndrome.com/products/nevermore-the-raven-effect Or watch it online on Gathr: https://gathr.com/vod/ec0e2fb0/nevermore-the-raven-effect The show now has a Facebook page, so go CHECK IT OUT Follow the guys on social media Raven - @theRavenEffect Feeney - @jffeeney3rd Buy yourself some Raven shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/raven Or even some Feeney shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/ccwithjoefeeney Have Raven say things that you want him to say, either for yourself or for someone you want to talk big-game shit to by going to http://www.cameo.com/ravenprime1 Sign up for Patreon by going to http://www.patreon.com/TheRavenEffect it's only $5 a month! Get extra content AND watch the show! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

  • May 4 · 1 hr 12 min

    Women and bears do not mix

    This week we're learning new words and their meaning; We teach Rich the difference between R. Kelly, Jay-Z and Diddy and talk about Diddy changed his name so many times; Why Ben Affleck looks miserable all the time; Who's hotter between JLo and Jennifer Garner? What could be a better acronym for Jimmy Eat World? Raven shares a jobber story and we investigate the origin of the Heart Punch and Ox Baker; The news of the week you never knew you needed to hear, including a pantsless mayor and more; Rich shares what he calls an "interesting story", but is it really? Giant octopuses, and of course, all the usual perversions. Purchase the Blu-Ray Raven's documentary: https://vinegarsyndrome.com/products/nevermore-the-raven-effect Or watch it online on Gathr: https://gathr.com/vod/ec0e2fb0/nevermore-the-raven-effect The show now has a Facebook page, so go CHECK IT OUT Follow the guys on social media Raven - @theRavenEffect Feeney - @jffeeney3rd Buy yourself some Raven shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/raven Or even some Feeney shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/ccwithjoefeeney Have Raven say things that you want him to say, either for yourself or for someone you want to talk big-game shit to by going to http://www.cameo.com/ravenprime1 Sign up for Patreon by going to http://www.patreon.com/TheRavenEffect it's only $5 a month! Get extra content AND watch the show! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

  • April 27 · 54 min

    Nothing goes together better than Hookers and Blow

    This week we're talking unsuccessful spinoffs of Three's Company and Raven's television knowledge makes Feeney's head explode; Rich gives us a brief review of the Hulk Hogan Netflix documentary and Raven wonders what happened to Brooke Hogan? Feeney believes he's experiencing a Mandela Effect moment and little known bands most of us have never heard of; Seeing the ex-wife/husband - good idea or no? Rich's complicated dating/married past gets revealed; The complexities of government secret space programs and de-aging people; Things that sound so ridiculous and absurd that they're probably true, and of course, all the usual perversions. Purchase the Blu-Ray Raven's documentary: https://vinegarsyndrome.com/products/nevermore-the-raven-effect Or watch it online on Gathr: https://gathr.com/vod/ec0e2fb0/nevermore-the-raven-effect The show now has a Facebook page, so go CHECK IT OUT Follow the guys on social media Raven - @theRavenEffect Feeney - @jffeeney3rd Buy yourself some Raven shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/raven Or even some Feeney shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/ccwithjoefeeney Have Raven say things that you want him to say, either for yourself or for someone you want to talk big-game shit to by going to http://www.cameo.com/ravenprime1 Sign up for Patreon by going to http://www.patreon.com/TheRavenEffect it's only $5 a month! Get extra content AND watch the show! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

  • April 20 · 1 hr 12 min

    How weird it is getting old

    This week Feeney's getting ribbed for trying to pass himself off as tall, using Instagram as his 'proof'; What it's like to get hit by a stripper clog and we have the great stripper shoe debate; RIP Sid Krofft, the co-creator of the show H.R. Pufnstuf; Shannon Elizabeth is starting an OnlyFans; Did older generations complain about getting old? Raven catches up on Fanmail from 2023; This week's news that you didn't know about, including who's going into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, and of course, all the usual perversions. Purchase the Blu-Ray Raven's documentary: https://vinegarsyndrome.com/products/nevermore-the-raven-effect Or watch it online on Gathr: https://gathr.com/vod/ec0e2fb0/nevermore-the-raven-effect The show now has a Facebook page, so go CHECK IT OUT Follow the guys on social media Raven - @theRavenEffect Feeney - @jffeeney3rd Buy yourself some Raven shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/raven Or even some Feeney shirts: https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/ccwithjoefeeney Have Raven say things that you want him to say, either for yourself or for someone you want to talk big-game shit to by going to http://www.cameo.com/ravenprime1 Sign up for Patreon by going to http://www.patreon.com/TheRavenEffect it's only $5 a month! Get extra content AND watch the show! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

  • April 13 · 1 hr 13 min

    Coked up Sharks and fighting Kangaroos

    This week Raven shares what he's been watching on YouTube lately and we learn about a crazy ad campaign; What would it take to get Raven to write a book? Feeney tries to re-enact cutting a promo and fails epically for the most unexpected reason; Rich shares some airport horror stories; The most problematic neighborhood in America revealed; We also learn some previously unknown facts about Dr. Katz, Professional Therapist; How the Dexter TV franchise has changed over the years; When mean tweets g

  • April 6 · 1 hr 10 min

    Low brow humor, punching down and nut shots ... all comedy gold?

    Who remembers playing Slug Bug? Raven and the eenie meanies review that game and other variations of it, some even include a shot in the nuts; Billy Gunn prank calls fans, at least according to Rich; Vince McMahon and Krusty the Clown now sound alike? Geographically challenged hockey team moves to Canada for unknown reasons; Girl Scout cookies found to have heavy metals; Robots in the home, yay or nay? Fanmail, and of course, all the usual perversions. Purchase the Blu-Ray Raven's documentary: h

  • March 30 · 1 hr 8 min

    The lie that is the old-timey talk accent

    This week we're talking about tentacles ... not tentacles exactly, but giant octopussies, or octopuses; Has Raven been keeping up with the Marvel Cinematic Universe? Scarlett Johansson is really hot and we ponder who's the best Spiderman; Rich shares his latest travel shitshow story; Feeney sneakily works in wrestling talk; The best in news headlines and stories, including Kathy Ireland being swindled by her business manager and losing millions of dollars; Will Ferrell as Harry Caray vs. the rea

  • March 23 · 1 hr 14 min

    Why is every crazy conspiracy theory centered around child trafficking?

    This week Raven allows Rich to put over the first hockey coach he ever worked for, Terry Ruskowski; Which sports cities suck; Raven shares stories from his recent travels; Which rideshare service is more rapey, Uber of Lyft? Rich has a food dilemma, and he's relying on Raven and Feeney to give him guidance; Feeney thinks he was part of a secret government program to recruit smart kids as a first grader; Flushable wipes cause massive shitty problems in Maryland; Gen Z guys are eating something ca

  • March 16 · 1 hr 1 min

    Gambling for dummies ... and by dummies, we mean us

    This week we start off on a sad note as Rich had to put his cat down; After that depressing news, we're off to the races, asking the questions everyone wants to know, like how does a dueling piano bar get the pianos to fight? How the various generations feel about marriage and relationships, and other news items; RIP Country Joe McDonald; Prediction market app Kalshi is screwing people; We predict Feeney will go bankrupt placing bets on prediction markets, and of course, all the usual perversion