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Justin Jackson, Brian Casel, Jordan Gal

When it comes to bootstrapping and building software, there's rarely one right answer. We want to dive into the nuance. In every episode, veteran founders Justin Jackson, Brian Casel and Jordan Gal tackle thorny topics – from pricing and product strategy to work-life balance. No gurus, no easy answers – just real conversations we'd normally have behind closed doors.

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#55
August 21 · 1 hr 26 min
More ambitious? Building things we wouldn't have before
What "new" value can we create with AI? Brian, Justin, and Jordan talk about how we can be more creative and ambitious and build things we wouldn't have built before. We also chatted about Grok Bot and xAI's land grab (Cursor acquisition and the SuperGrok Heavy plan). Also... Brian broke up with Claude?! Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 03:34 - The sudden rise and appeal of Grokbot 11:49 - Claude fatigue and the shift toward chief-of-staff AI agents 14:55 - How product experience is replacing model quality in the AI race 18:09 - Cursor's speed advantage, pricing pain, and team switching costs 26:08 - Enterprise loyalty and why model quality will commoditize 43:44 - AI for autonomous entities, trust, and community integration 49:11 - Building AI-native vs. consumer vs. professional use cases 57:10 - Trust as the bottleneck in sensitive fields like personal finance 60:22 - Transistor's video launch, pricing model, and MCP integration 66:14 - Jordan's new capital deal and leveraging extra runway 72:12 - Customer success hiring and Builder Methods' non-developer expansion 90:15 - Wrap up YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️ 🎤 Send us an audio or video message 📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com 📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episode: Jesse Hanley – Marketer, developer, and creator. Introducing Grok Bot – SpaceXAI's latest release. Shaan Puri on AI Loyalty – A candid take on switching tools. Cursor – The top AI coding agent. Caleb Porzio's Work Notes – Why Cursor outpaces Codex. Amazon’s Anthropic Stake – IPO valuation insights. Polsia – AI that manages operations autonomously. Mostly Technical #145 – Exploring marketing as engineering.
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#54
August 7 · 1 hr 16 min
Acquired By Bending Spoons
Is there a potential SaaS pocalypse? How can we adapt to changes and leverage new models for growth? Jordan, Justin, and Brian explore the current state of the software market, private equity dynamics, and the impact of AI on valuations. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 02:01 Finding distribution is difficult on FB Marketplace and online 12:05 The future of building software with AI and agent-first design 16:07 Market entry strategies for new products 19:57 Unbundling SaaS and the new software delivery models 23:46 The role of internal tools and side projects 28:03 The SaaS pocalypse 32:00 SaaS valuations and market dynamics 36:01 Designing simple interfaces with powerful backend features 39:59 The evolving landscape of SaaS and market opportunities 51:25 Opportunities in the current market 1:03:00 Life updates YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️ 🎤 Send us an audio or video message 📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com 📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episode: Mimeo: Own your email marketing stack Flywrite | The writing app with a terminal built in LiveKit Platform Resend Buttondown tiiny.host Make IPOs Great Again Tiny Anne Frank The Exhibition Visit the Chicago Museum of Ice Cream MxPx Goldfinger
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#53
July 31 · 1 hr 32 min
Fiddling With Your Funnel
How's your funnel doing? Jordan and Brian are joined by Henry Poydar to chat about integrating human and autonomous agents, building and testing product prototypes in days, not years, the importance of flexible, adaptive funnels, and debate the future of SaaS, unbundling, and the agent-first software paradigm. Timestamps: YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️ 🎤 Send us an audio or video message 📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com 📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episode: Steady HeyRosy Builder Methods OpenRoutines.dev Claude Flywrite Vanta Drip Bento Help Scout
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#52
July 11 · 1 hr 40 min
DRUNK ON FABLE
What happens to the value of software when everyone can make software? Timestamps: 00:00 Welcome to The Panel 00:31 Brian’s Brighton Ruby trip 03:12 Building FlyWrite in the car 05:01 Why existing coding tools don’t work for writing 07:20 What FlyWrite actually does 11:37 Building version one with Fable 16:04 Jordan’s weekend build and first AI-native workflow 28:38 Claude Design and interactive prototyping 36:41 AI, software supply, and productivity 39:09 The Jeremy Giffin podcast episode 48:55 What AI means for Transistor and hosting 58:19 Google, Microsoft, Apple, and the AI distribution war 63:28 Figma, design careers, and the white-flag mindset 74:08 What happens to agencies and web designers 81:05 Transition pain vs. long-term upside 90:13 Becoming AI-native and where do displaced workers go? YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️ 🎤 Send us an audio or video message 📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com 📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episode: Superconductor faster.dev ConductorAI Cursor Flywrite Railway Base44 Lovable Wildbit Blog (Natalie Nagele) Harvey ROI Calculator Spots.fm Spots (2018 archive) Product People shoutout (2013 archive) Claude Design Invest Like the Best — Jeremy Giffon Gal Shir on X Chef hierarchy pyramid The widening productivity-pay gap
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#51
June 26 · 1 hr 7 min
I Want it That Way
Justin and Jordan talk about how Jordan made a change to their funnel and increased sign ups dramatically, improving team communication, conducting better employee reviews, and developing better workflows for project handoffs between employees when AI is being used. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 02:45 Taking control of your funnel 05:24 Why trust matters in e-commerce 08:18 Optimizing the customer experience 19:10 Doubling sign-ups 23:08 Customer demand wins 25:34 Putting the credit card upfront 29:26 Customer demand and the funnel 31:56 Question your assumptions 35:00 Reviews, pay, and philosophy 44:14 Surviving survival mode 46:40 How we think about pay 49:00 Motivation and career growth 54:05 AI and developer ownership 01:00:54 Keeping the quality bar high 01:03:51 Building a culture of accountability YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️ 🎤 Send us an audio or video message 📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com 📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episode: Transistor.fm HeyRosy Claude AI Victor's Post on Market Pull Ryan Cohen Tony Fadell Cardhook The Walt Disney Company | Acquired
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#50
June 12 · 1 hr 7 min
Price Fixing FTW!
If you're trying to fix your funnel, where do you start? And how much of an impact do we think Fable is going to have on AI pricing? Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 03:27 Impact of AI and Market Dynamics 06:24 Taking Control of Your Funnel 17:12 The impact of Fable on AI Costs 26:04 SpaceX IPO and Betting on Space 42:56 Opportunities for SaaS Businesses in 2026 with Domain Expertise 01:07:36 Allowances for kids works best in with communism YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️ 🎤 Send us an audio or video message 📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com 📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episode: Data School Kickbacks.ai - Get paid for waiting SpaceX IPO Prospectus Fable AI AI sandwich After Automation OpenAI Considers Drastic Price Cuts (WSJ) SpaceX stock jumps after record IPO, making Musk the first trillionaire SpaceX is asking for $1.75. That's ridiculous (but I'm giving them money anyway) Andrew McCalip
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#49
June 5 · 1 hr 23 min
BIG CITY ENERGY
Justin's got a major life question for the podcast, Jordan's trying to not be angry, and Brian thinks he's cracked the video editing code. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 01:06 Justin's Big Question 10:04 Personal Reflections on City Life 13:05 Family Dynamics and Future Living Plans 24:37 The Energy of New Beginnings 30:22 The Wisdom of Solitude vs. Ambition 38:58 Accelerating Growth and Optimization 50:41 Navigating Advertising Challenges 53:17 The Impact of Confidence on Communication 01:01:58 Innovating Video Editing with AI 01:08:00 Balancing Quality and Quantity in Content Creation 01:14:44 The Human Cost of Rapid AI Adoption YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️ 🎤 Send us an audio or video message 📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com 📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episode: Do the Hard Thing video-use HyperFrames Mediocre ideas Building Software is Learning Transistor Video Podcast Hosting
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#48
May 29 · 1 hr 10 min
I spend money. People see the product. They buy. We grow.
After figuring out how to stay in shape with exercise, Jordan and Brian wrestle with what each other's north star should be in their day to day work. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 01:19 Peptides and Supplements 08:06 Gym vs Home Workouts 14:02 Daily Walking 17:01 Brian's Calorie Tracking 21:40 The Importance of Optimization 24:27 Jordan's Ad Spend Thoughts 29:08 SEO and Email Marketing Automation 33:58 Brian's trying to leverage AI to limit bottlenecks 53:23 Balancing Urgency and Ambition 55:52 Connecting Daily Tasks to Long-Term Goals 01:03:29 Navigating Multiple North Stars YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️ 🎤 Send us an audio or video message 📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com 📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episode: Lose It! - Weight Loss That Fits HeyRosy.com Builder Methods Claude AI Hermes Agent Platform
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#47
May 22 · 1 hr 9 min
Vibe coding is not a real business model
How is multiplayer being addressed in AI, should we scale humans or agents, and is every small business going to vibe code their own apps? With special guest Henry Poydar. Timestamps: 00:00 Welcome to The Panel 03:06 Business Updates 05:53 Coordination Challenges in Teams with AI 11:48 Trust and Accountability in Team Dynamics 17:45 The Future of Team Structures 20:30 Scaling with Agents vs. Traditional Teams 25:48 The Future of Company Organization 27:58 The Intersection of AI and Creativity 36:02 Challenges in the Music Industry with AI 40:32 Navigating the VC Landscape 45:45 The Indie Entrepreneur Path 48:20 Vertical Saas and tool building 01:01:17 Weeknd plans and talking politics YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️ 🎤 Send us an audio or video message 📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com 📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episode: Steady Henry Poydar TinaFey on what it's really like to have a teenage daughter Charlie AI Devin How I build agents that work the night shift Granola Vibe-Coded AI 'Slop' Is Flooding the World With Potentially Dangerous Code—'Eventually It Will Catch Up to Us'
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#46
May 15 · 1 hr 24 min
Burning Out Doing Lines of Code
Are you feeling a mixture of excitement and burnout at the pace AI coding seems to be pushing you? Is it sustainable in the long run or do you worry about what you'll be like in 6 months time? Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 03:22 Advertising Strategies and Funnels 08:12 Jordan experiments with Partnership Ads and Organic Content Ads 12:03 Transistor's Video Podcasting Platform Launch 21:32 Brian's YouTube Channel Growth 30:27 Understanding Customer Engagement and Sales Dynamics 35:56 Navigating Pricing Changes in AI Tools 01:02:36 The Impact of AI on Work Intensity and Burnout 01:06:19 The Evolution of Product Development and Market Dynamics 01:13:48 The New Normal: Speed, Pressure, and Success in Business YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️ 🎤 Send us an audio or video message 📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com 📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episode: Claude changes its pricing Wrappers vs steamrollers (and who owns the customer) Hire creators to do your ads Post to all social platforms AI brain exhaustion + burnout Matt Wensing: "Burnout happens when the reward no longer justifies the effort / perceived risk." Brian's new course: "Become the builder" The meme that took over Twitter this week
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#45
May 8 · 1 hr 19 min
A series of miracles (with Jason Cohen)
Jason Cohen (founder of WP Engine) joined as a surprise guest. We got into his writing process, why "distribution is the new moat" is either not new or not true, what actually counts as a moat (Basecamp, Linear, Lemon Squeezy), and his framework for funnels: the quality of who enters the top matters more than every other step combined. Jason's new book Hidden Multipliers is available for preorder. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 01:28 Jason Cohen's Journey and Insights 04:18 Writing Process and Content Creation 10:24 Distribution as a Business Strategy 13:15 Debate on Distribution as a Moat 25:20 The Concept of Moats in Business 26:31 Social Media vs. AdWords: The Distribution Debate 32:09 Basecamp's Unique Positioning and Brand Identity 38:32 The Role of Brand in Modern Business 48:46 Understanding Customer Behavior Through Data 51:08 The Importance of Ideal Customer Profile (ICP) 57:35 The Challenge of End-to-End Funnel Visibility 01:07:00 Metrics and Their Role in Business Strategy YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️ 🎤 Send us an audio or video message 📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com 📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episode: Jason's new book: Hidden Multipliers Jason's blog "Elephant in the room: the myth of exponential hypergrowth" Lenny's tweet: "Distribution is the new moat" JR Farr's tweet: practical distribution framework Jason's post: "Things mostly “fail” even at the best companies. It's weird, if you think about it." "Selecting the right product KPIS"
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#44
May 2 · 1 hr 21 min
Marinating in the sauce
SaaS life! How do you deal with the daily sales anxiety? Brian recounts a major March spike from viral YouTube, a full site redesign and repositioning, and the fear of launches falling flat, while Justin describes simplifying Transistor’s funnel and tracking daily signups. We debate when to “double down on what’s working” versus making scary directional changes, emphasizing founder gut, credibility with teams, and remote-team alignment. On distribution, they argue product and marketing are linked, and “hand-to-hand combat” on channels like Reddit, discuss ads and YouTube as ongoing systems, and highlight social proof via reviews (including Jordan’s use of Senja). Jordan shares using Claude to investigate the Allbirds deal and leverage personal networks to reach key deal participants, reinforcing founder curiosity and agency. Timestamps: 00:00 Welcome 00:48 April Revenue Whiplash 02:11 Builder Methods Relaunch Fears 04:48 Daily Sales Mood Swings 05:59 Simplifying the Funnel 12:43 Trusting Founder Gut 27:21 Distribution in the AI Era 35:10 Practical GEO and Reddit Tactics 40:55 Customer Culture and Reviews 43:47 Engineering Social Proof 51:38 AI Investigates Allbirds Deal 01:10:49 Churn Through Weird Lens 01:15:59 Weekend Wrap And Skate Talk YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️ 🎤 Send us an audio or video message 📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com 📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episode: Senja
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#43
April 24 · 1 hr 53 min
You Down With ICP?
Justin, Jordan, and Brian discuss the importance of understanding your ideal customer profile, the role of ambition in customer segmentation, and effective strategies for content marketing and product positioning in the tech and SaaS industries. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 03:22 Authenticity in Content Creation 06:25 Updates on Business and Personal Life 09:21 Partnerships: Successes and Challenges 12:26 Navigating Sponsorships and Brand Deals 15:31 Exploring Video Podcasting and Market Demand 26:16 Navigating Pricing Models and Customer Expectations for Video Podcasting 31:27 Integrating AI into Marketing Strategies 45:20 Understanding Ideal Customer Profiles (ICP) 01:00:34 Understanding Customer Segmentation 01:04:23 Navigating Customer Needs and Expectations 01:13:36 Pricing Power and Value Proposition 01:27:17 Shifts in YouTube Content Dynamics 01:33:12 Leveraging Content Clips for Growth 01:38:02 The Importance of Regular Content 01:42:20 Tim Cook's Leadership and Future Innovations at Apple YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️ 🎤 Send us an audio or video message 📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com 📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episode: Content Rewards PostBridge Marc Andreessen on Product and Marketing Jobs to Be Done Framework
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#42
April 18 · 1 hr 27 min
The power of attention
In this episode we discuss how small teams can leverage AI as teammates, the impact on business outcomes, and the cultural shifts driven by AI advancements. How would Steve Jobs handle marketing and selling AI at Apple? How do the kids today think about AI? And Jordan explains the Allbirds nonsense. Chapters: 00:00 Introduction 01:38 The Evolution of Teamwork and Tools 07:41 Balancing Accountability and Autonomy 10:40 The Role of Agents in Team Dynamics 13:42 Challenges of Implementing AI in Business 16:36 The Future of Marketing and AI 22:39 Imagining Steve Jobs in the Age of AI 30:42 The Value of Struggle and Learning in a Tech-Driven World 39:58 Navigating Career Paths in an Evolving Job Market 45:50 Navigating Job Market Changes 50:16 Jordan explains The Allbirds Controversy 57:04 The Power of Attention in Business 01:02:29 Storytelling in Marketing 01:10:51 Building Relationships for Effective Distribution 01:15:11 Pricing Transistor's Video Strategy 01:23:42 Innovative Marketing Strategies and Anticipation Phases YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️ 🎤 Send us an audio or video message 📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com 📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episode: Henry's product - https://runsteady.com/ Linear blog post (brave) - https://linear.app/next Allbirds turns into an AI company - https://creators.yahoo.com/lifestyle/story/the-unhinged-genius-of-allbirds-39m-exit-sell-the-brand-spike-demand-become-ai-164312969.html The company that acquired the old Allbirds brand - https://www.axnygroup.com/our-brands CNBC: “Struggling shoe retailer Allbirds makes bizarre pivot to AI, adds $127 million in value”
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#41
April 10 · 1 hr 33 min
Is "vision" overrated?
Does vision matter? And how far into the future should your vision be these days? And how do we deal with copycats in the age of AI? And who is our money pin in the Anthropic vs OpenAI vs Google horse race, especially with mythos in the news. Timestamps: YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️ 🎤 Send us an audio or video message 📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com 📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episode: Quick Sight – AWS https://aws.amazon.com/quick/quicksight/ Stripe Sigma https://stripe.com/en-mx/sigma Paddle https://www.paddle.com/profitwell-metrics Claude Mythos https://red.anthropic.com/2026/mythos-preview/ Owner.com https://www.owner.com/ Base44 https://base44.com/
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#40
April 3 · 1 hr 29 min
Respite from the Dopamine Machine
Why doesn't AI prompt us more often if it's so smart? Ryan Hefner joins us to chat about our daily drivers for shoes, IDE, AI provider, getting the news, and planning a vacation. Timestamps: (00:07) - Introducing Ryan Hefner (03:53) - Today's topic: how we choose our daily drivers (04:54) - Updates with Justin (08:54) - Update from Brian (14:16) - Ryan's Launch week concept (23:04) - The concept of daily drivers in life (25:35) - Daily driver shoes (29:58) - Daily driver IDE (33:31) - Remote controlling Claude (44:44) - Daily driver for AI (50:09) - We often stick with a product even when a new one would be more efficient or helpful (53:37) - Daily driver for getting the news (01:04:32) - Daily drivers for vacations (01:15:11) - AI needs to be prompting us more (01:22:01) - Daily driver for voice transcription YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️ 🎤 Send us an audio or video message 📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com 📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episode: Transistor helps publish TBPN video podcast on Apple Podcasts Brian's job posting Ryan's new app: Launch Weeks Freek's new app OpenAI buys TBPN for hundreds of millions T3 Code editor OpenAI Codex Superset.sh Conductor Solo CMUX Codex plugin for Claude Code Surf.social Tangle news Ground News
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#39
March 27 · 57 min
Can AI be your CRM?
Justin's hosting this one and he brought along Ben Curtis from Honeybadger to talk about how AI can be a CRM and also your designer. Timestamps: (00:15) - Introducing Ben Curtis (02:57) - How is Honeybadger using AI? (06:35) - How do you determine which model to use for different problems? (09:33) - How are we using AI in marketing and sales? (24:09) - How Steve Schoger used AI to design (33:32) - How much longer will websites matter? (38:47) - How intelligent are LLMs at product market fit? (44:40) - Transistor Update: Video podcast hosting + Ghost integration (47:18) - What Honeybadger is working on (50:26) - Updates from Brian's work YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️ 🎤 Send us an audio or video message 📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com 📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episode: Ghost CMS Claude AI Codex by OpenAI Hatchbox for Deployment Figma Google Stitch Tailwind CSS Claude MCP for Figma @SteveSchoger designs with Claude
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#38
March 21 · 1 hr 32 min
Scam or no scam? (with Jordan)
It's Jordan's turn to host and he's got some AI companies he's not sure about... Timestamps: (00:06) - Jordan's episode to host! (01:19) - Business update from Brian (05:45) - Justin's business update (14:09) - How Jordan advertises to his existing customers (21:50) - Jordan's business update (28:48) - Is Polsia fake or real? (40:47) - Adam Wathan announces ui.sh (58:12) - Is Delve AI compliance a scam? (01:14:45) - Where is OpenClaw today and what's the point? YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️ 🎤 Send us an audio or video message 📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com 📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episode: GStack — Turn Claude Code into a Virtual Software Development Team Polsia — AI That Runs Your Company While You Sleep This AI generates $689K - Business Podcast for Startups ui.sh — Turn your terminal into a design engineer Stitch - Design with AI Basecamp — Basecamp CLI and Agent Skill: Agent first, agent native Delve | SOC 2 Compliance, HIPAA | Automated Compliance for AI, Startups | Get GDPR, ISO 27001, Cybersecurity Compliant & More | Delve Automated Compliance Delve - Fake Compliance as a Service - Part I Gusto | Online HR Services: Payroll, Benefits and everything else OpenClaw AI - Open Source AI Assistant | Formerly Clawdbot & Moltbot Claude
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#37
March 14 · 55 min
The money tunnel
Brian, Justin, and Jordan talk about the opportunity costs in business decision-making, the impact of AI on marketing channels and strategies, and building custom internal tools with AI versus SaaS solutions. Timestamps: (00:44) - Brian takes the lead (02:17) - Opportunity costs (17:29) - What is Brian's opportunity on Twitter? (21:41) - Figuring out what Builder Methods is and who it's for (24:53) - Should Brian hire someone to help achieve his goal? (28:47) - How is AI killing Saas (39:54) - People will want their own agent to use the softare, not a company's AI (51:07) - Jordan's CRM experiment YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️ 🎤 Send us an audio or video message 📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com 📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links: Builder Methods Pro Brian's YouTube
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#36
March 6 · 1 hr 26 min
A rainbow of internet fantasies
What happened to you in Mexico? Justin is back from his co-founder retreat with Jon on Holbox Island. He gets vulnerable about the drift that naturally happens in a remote co-founder relationship, the big conversations they'd been avoiding, and the realization that alignment isn't a one-time thing (it requires constant investment!). Jordan and Brian weigh in on co-founder dynamics, decision-making in a 50/50 partnership, and why strategy has to belong to a key decision maker. The conversation then spills into the "Mexican standoff" happening on teams as AI reshapes who does what and whether that's something to fear (or lean into). Timestamps: (00:06) - Introduction (01:47) - Justin and Jon's founder retreat (06:44) - Using video as an example of how to communicate with cofounders (09:45) - It's not a marriage, it's a dictatorship (12:12) - What do goals look like for a company? (20:48) - Video is hard and heavy... should we do it? (24:22) - What Jordan's done to help alignment on his team (29:46) - What about Jon's side of the conversation? (39:46) - Navigating new work dynamics with the speed of AI (46:56) - There are smart developers resisting AI - why? (54:24) - A Mexican standoff on teams (01:06:47) - Company design and system design YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️ 🎤 Send us an audio or video message 📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com 📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episode: Holbox Island Photos from co-founder retreat Article: The five stages of losing our craft Article: Will Claude Code ruin our team? Jack Dorsey lays off 931 workers Polsia - this weird AI driven SaaS making $2m! (You give it an idea, provide a budget/credit card, and it autonomously launches the business) More on Ben Cera, founder of Polsia The Amazing Money Machine book cover
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