The Pact

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It started with the 2014 disappearance of an Upper Michigan man named Chris Regan. The two-year investigation into his disappearance would take authorities on a strange journey into a world of sex, drugs, pig farming, alleged cannibalism, and serial murder; all stemming from a wedding day pact between Kelly and Jason Cochran, that resulted in the murder of at least two men. Investigative reporter, Josh Hallmark, dives through thousands of case files and dozens of hours of interviews with Kelly to make sense of the breadth of her crimes and her often contradictory stories, in hopes of identifying her additional victims she's refused to name... if there even are any.

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S3 · E4
Monday · 49 min
Retrospective 4: Voices
In Retrospective 4, Josh discusses how massive life changes coalesced with the creation of the first season of TCB. How he isolated himself entirely to both heal and get into the head-spaces of the people he'd spent so much time researching and...
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S3 · E3
July 24 · 50 min
Retrospective 3: Darkness
In Retrospective 3, Josh discusses how 24 harrowing hours changed his life and the course of True Crime Bullsh**. He discusses how an incident re-shaped his vision for the first episode of the podcast, and his view on true crime and its darkness....
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S3 · E2
July 9 · 58 min
Retrospective 2: Investigations
Retrospective 2 takes us to the origin of the investigation; where Josh's interest in storytelling evolved into his obsession of needing to know everything. And it started in a surprising place: a bound book of correspondence between two teenage girls...
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S3 · E1
June 5 · 1 hr 25 min
Retrospective 1: The Ignition
To celebrate 10 years in podcasting, we're spending the summer going back in time and both highlighting key episodes and telling the stories behind them; you’ll get new behind-the-scenes information about what was happening in life, in various...
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S2 · E7
Dec 20, 2024 · 28 min
Unsafe Spaces | Oh, God
Season finale. This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark Featuring: Eric Carter-Landin from https://www.trueconsequences.com and https://www.basementfortproductions.com Albert Perkins Resources: -...
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S2 · E6
Dec 20, 2024 · 1 hr 17 min
Unsafe Spaces | Tacit Permissions & Behavioral Drifts
To better understand Lorenzo and Schweickert, their possible other crimes, and their MOs and victimology, Josh chats with clinical psychologist Dr. Scott (LA Not So Confidential) about killers who work in pairs, BDSM, Antisocial Personality Disorder,...
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S2 · E5
Dec 20, 2024 · 1 hr
Unsafe Spaces | Open Secret
At trial and at sentencing, Lorenzo's many surviving victims testified against him, including the impactful statements made by Albert Perkins, who Lorenzo kidnapped and assaulted in February of 2000. The testimony and eventual plea deals made by both...
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S2 · E4
Dec 20, 2024 · 37 min
Unsafe Spaces | It Was Steven
Scott Schweickert's house is searched, disturbing photos are found on Steven Lorenzo's computer, more Lorenzo assault victims come forward, someone confesses, and another gay man goes missing. This episode was written, researched, edited, and...
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S2 · E3
Dec 20, 2024 · 40 min
Unsafe Spaces | It Was Scott
Steven Lorenzo's friend and accomplice is identified as Scott Schweickert. And the pair's history is revealed through AOL instant messages and a mutual friend. Tampa PD investigate multiple assaults within the Tampa gay community, leading to an arrest...
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S2 · E2
Dec 20, 2024 · 36 min
Unsafe Spaces | I'm Gay, I'm F*cked
Steven Lorenzo comes to the forefront of Tampa PD's investigation into the disappearance of Jason Galehouse and the death of Michael Wachholtz. Lorenzo's criminal history leads to a sting operation that ends in a very haunting search of his home, and...
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S2 · E1
Dec 20, 2024 · 42 min
Unsafe Spaces | Let's Violate the World
On December 22, 2003, two gay men were reported missing to Tampa PD. The investigations into their disappearances, would open a Pandora's Box that would force the police, the media, and society to examine how their actions and negligence led to some...
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Jan 31, 2024 · 3 min
Studio BOTH/AND News & Announcements
Catch up on all things Studio BOTH/AND for the month of February (and beyond). This month's news: • New tours and events • Unsafe Spaces update • The Karen & Ellen Letters update • True Crime Bullsh** update • New projects • Our Americana...
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Oct 19, 2023 · 11 min
Check out my newest podcast: Unsafe Spaces
Unsafe Spaces is an investigative, serialized true crime podcast that explores the crimes that take place in the places we’re supposed to feel safest. In Season One: Tampa’s Missing Men, I explore how two different missing persons cases, reported on...
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Aug 22, 2023 · 53 sec
Tour Announcement
Josh is heading out on the road. Catch him at: The True Crime & Paranormal Festival in Austin, Texas (8/26-8/27) www.truecrimepodcastfestival.com A casual Happy Hour in Tampa, Florida (9/10) www.bothand.fyi/tour Obsessed Fest in Dallas, Texas...
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S1 · E18
Aug 2, 2023 · 39 min
18. Both/And
The finale. Written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. Research assistance by Becca Cline. Music by William Hellfire, Chris Zabriskie, Lee Rosevere, Whithe, and Stacxk.
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Aug 1, 2023 · 43 sec
Studio BOTH/AND presents: True Crime Bullsh**
If you enjoyed The Pact, check out host Josh Hallmark's other investigative deep dive into serial killer Israel Keyes: True Crime Bullsh** www.bothand.fyi www.truecrimebullshit.com www.patreon.com/studiobothand
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Jul 26, 2023 · 27 min
17. A Boreal Feast
An examination of the strange relationship and power dynamics between Kelly Cochran and Detective Ogden, reveals new patterns in Kelly's stories and behaviors. Plus, a cumulative overview of what we've learned about Kelly, helps construct an MO and...
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S1 · E16
Jul 19, 2023 · 38 min
16. Deep River
A look at how sexual abuse may have contributed to Kelly Cochran's life and crimes; and how it may play a role in deciphering her many stories. This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyi For an ad-free experience or...
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S1 · E15
Jul 12, 2023 · 32 min
15. MEN
An examination of the disparities surrounding the portrayals of men and women in crime, and how Kelly Cochran exploited them. This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyi For an ad-free experience or to support the...
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S1 · E14
Jun 28, 2023 · 41 min
14. Sex, Lies, and Manipulation
An exploration into Kelly Cochran's practice of avoidance, her list of trophies, and consistencies in her wildly varying stories, leads to some pretty solid conclusions about Kelly and Jason. This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: www.pactpodcast.com...
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