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Interested in the business of space? Dr Alice Bunn, former-international director of UK Space Agency and now president of UKspace, helps you identify investment opportunities, cut through policy and regulation, assemble your supply chains and get stuff done. 

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  • S1 · E20
    Thursday · 28 min

    Satellite Applications Catapult: Ruthless selection, world-class winners, and executive engineers

    How does the Satellite Applications Catapult evaluate and select "high-potential" space ventures? What role does commercial matchmaking, tech validation, and international growth strategy play in scaling startups into global leaders? How can the UK shift from passive R&D grants to an "Olympic-style" industrial policy that goes all-in on world-class space "winners"? What structural changes—such as rapid regulatory approvals, sovereign capital funds, and secure defence gateways—are needed to cut a path through the space growth jungle? Join Alice and Jonners as they talk with John Abbott, CEO of the Satellite Applications Catapult, about the ruthless selection strategies to unleash businesses with the highest potential for growth. And why this process is worth it, even if you pass on The Beatles. Contributors: Alice Bunn, President of UKspace Dr Alice Bunn OBE FIMechE FRAeS CEng | LinkedIn UKspace: Overview | LinkedIn Jonathan Daves, The Karman Line Jonathan Daves | LinkedIn The Karman Line | LinkedIn John Abbott, CEO, Satellite Applications Catapult John Abbott | LinkedIn Satellite Applications Catapult | LinkedIn Key topics covered: Satellite Applications Catapult operating model & impact Evaluating "high-potential" space businesses Open Cosmos, Mag Drive, and UK space scale-ups The three core Catapult missions: Beyond Earth, Autonomous & Connected Earth, Resilient Earth Matchmaking vs. Challenge Accelerating Sovereign space capability & international trust Industrial Strategy: "Picking winners" vs. broad SME support Cross-government alignment, capital growth, and rapid regulation The Space and Defence Gateway at Harwell Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • S1 · E19
    August 20 · 28 min

    Spaceport Cornwall: From Virgin Orbit to multi-use aerospace and drone hub

    What really happened at Spaceport Cornwall after the 2023 Virgin Orbit launch? Why, from an operational and regulatory standpoint, was the failed mission actually a success? How can spaceport infrastructure and segregated airspace be repurposed for high-volume drone testing, hypersonic flight, and returning spaceplanes? What is the true definition of "assured launch," and why is domestic launch capability crucial for national resilience? How is Cornwall evolving beyond its launch heritage into a multi-sector commercial technology ecosystem? Join Alice and Jonners as they talk to Ross Hulbert, Space Engagement Lead at Spaceport Cornwall, and discuss the realities of pioneering spaceports, mixed airspace regulation, local economic impact, and subsidising future space access. Contributors: Alice Bunn, President of UKspace Dr Alice Bunn OBE FIMechE FRAeS CEng | LinkedIn UKspace: Overview | LinkedIn Jonathan Daves, The Karman Line Jonathan Daves | LinkedIn The Karman Line | LinkedIn Ross Hulbert, Space Engagement Lead, Spaceport Cornwall Ross Hulbert | LinkedIn Spaceport Cornwall | LinkedIn Key topics covered: Spaceport Cornwall evolution & operations Virgin Orbit launch legacy & technical learnings Mixed airspace & BVLOS drone testing Hypersonic testing & spaceplane recovery Assured vs sovereign launch capability Global launch bottlenecks & reliance on SpaceX Space Clusters & Cornish economic growth Subsidising space access for UK operators Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • S1 · E18
    August 13 · 41 min

    Dual-Use & Working Together

    What does "dual-use" technology truly mean? What happens when academia, industry, and government join forces at an institution like NESST? What connects the London Olympics and the MoD’s Skynet satellite system? And are policy and legal hurdles holding back the full potential of dual-use tech? In this episode, Dave Moody - Director of the North-East Space Skills and Technology Centre (NESST) at Northumbria University - joins Alice Bunn and Jonners to explore the critical dual-use elements of space technology. From the First Gulf War to the London Olympics, space has, time and time again, quietly delivered essential capabilities. Is it time we start singing its praises? Contributors: Alice Bunn, President of UKspace Dr Alice Bunn OBE FIMechE FRAeS CEng | LinkedIn UKspace: Overview | LinkedIn Jonathan Daves, The Karman Line Jonathan Daves | LinkedIn The Karman Line | LinkedIn Dave Moody, Director, North East Space Skills and Technology Centre, Northumbria University Dave Moody | LinkedIn Northumbria University | LinkedIn Key topics covered: Dual Use Military London Olympics SkyNet NESST Northumbria University Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • S1 · E17
    August 6 · 28 min

    Spaceports: Past, Present, and Future

    Does the UK still have its adventure spirit? With other countries getting the jump on UK launch, can the nation take advantage of the pathway forged in Cornwall? What commercial opportunities arise when the government plays a more active role in launch? Should a spaceport just be viewed as a normal piece of infrastructure, and how can it connect to its local setting? How can the space industry take on climate challenges head-on? Spaceport builder Melissa Quinn joins Alice and Jonners to talk launch, alignment, and whether the UK can get back into its groove as the rest of the world looks to take off. The powerhouse behind Spaceport Cornwall’s first launch and Spaceport Nova Scotia’s ambitious plans tells her inspiring story about achieving big things. This episode is a must-listen. Contributors: Alice Bunn, President of UKspace Dr Alice Bunn OBE FIMechE FRAeS CEng | LinkedIn UKspace: Overview | LinkedIn Jonathan Daves, The Karman Line Jonathan Daves | LinkedIn The Karman Line | LinkedIn Melissa Quinn, Vice President Spaceport Operations, Maritime Launch Services Melissa Quinn | LinkedIn Maritime Launch Services | LinkedIn Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • S1 · E16
    July 30 · 40 min

    How to build future facing talent pipelines that accelerate UK space strategy

    How have skill requirements in the UK space sector shifted from foundational engineering to critical system architects and project managers? How does a landscape of over 1,900 specialised companies compare to vertically integrated giants like SpaceX? What impact will the Department for Science, Innovation and Technology (DSIT) and UK Space Agency (UKSA) re-merger have on scaling up space businesses? How can the UK leverage international partnerships and domestic "national champions" to accelerate defence and civil space capabilities? Join Alice and Jonners as they talk with Andrew Stanniland, Managing Director of MDA Space UK, about building talent pipelines that reward new visions and ideas, defence alignment through the Defence Investment Plan (DIP), being humble and respectful of international markets and communication skills “on steroids”. Contributors: Alice Bunn, President of UKspace Dr Alice Bunn OBE FIMechE FRAeS CEng | LinkedIn UKspace: Overview | LinkedIn Jonathan Daves, The Karman Line Jonathan Daves | LinkedIn The Karman Line Andrew Stanniland, Managing Director, MDA Space UK Andrew Stanniland | LinkedIn MDA Space UK | LinkedIn Key topics covered: Space sector skills & recruitment strategies UK space industry structure & 1,900+ company ecosystem Collaborative industry culture DSIT & UK Space Agency structural changes Defence Investment Plan (DIP) and military space National champions and M&A trends Regulatory & technology sandboxes International space partnerships & pace of execution Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • S1 · E15
    July 23 · 25 min

    Unlocking Very Low Earth Orbit (VLEO) and how the UK becomes the global gateway

    Why is the orbital region between 10 km and 500 km currently empty? How can operating in Very Low Earth Orbit (VLEO) transform Earth observation, direct-to-device mobile connectivity, and telecommunications? How does VLEO solve the LEO problem of satellite collisions and failures creating space debris that lingers for decades? How do you solve the extreme engineering challenges of atmospheric drag, atomic oxygen corrosion, and continuous propulsion? And how is the UK positioning itself as a global gateway for this emerging space domain? Join Alice and Jonners as they talk with Anatolii Papulov, CEO and Co-founder of New Orbit, about pioneering VLEO satellite platforms, high-speed experimental iteration, and bringing "American velocity with European depth" to the UK space ecosystem. Contributors: Alice Bunn, President of UKspace Dr Alice Bunn OBE FIMechE FRAeS CEng | LinkedIn UKspace: Overview | LinkedIn Jonathan Daves, The Karman Line Jonathan Daves | LinkedIn The Karman Line Anatolii Papulov, CEO and Co-founder of New Orbit Anatolii Papulov | LinkedIn New Orbit | LinkedIn Key topics covered: Very Low Earth Orbit (VLEO) Direct-to-device connectivity Atomic oxygen corrosion Electric propulsion systems Self-cleaning orbits & Space sustainability Rapid iteration & In-house testing Sovereign space manufacturing UK space talent & Scale-ups Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • S1 · E14
    July 14 · 36 min

    The Karman Line Live in Cornwall: Bottlenecks, redundancy, Musk, Extinction Rebellion and fights over “the same 10 kids”

    How is geopolitics disrupting standard launch operations? Why are nations, including the UK, looking to build localised infrastructure rather than rely on giant space operators like the US? And rather than overriding local communities and sensitive environments, how can the next generation of spaceports prioritise “space for good”? Why is the space industry a communications basket-case? For a sector so clearly cool and exciting, how is it that the storytelling becomes pigeon-holed for “billionaires or physicists” rather than firing imaginations with concepts like “intergalactic architects”? How can movies like Wall-E and The Martian help shift the dial? To combat severe workforce shortages, how should primary school educators be inspiring a more diverse, radical group of creative problem solvers? Why do formative educational choices limit rather than expand career paths for young people? Contributors: Alice Bunn, President of UKspace Dr Alice Bunn OBE FIMechE FRAeS CEng | LinkedIn UKspace: Overview | LinkedIn Melissa Quinn, Spaceport Builder Melissa Quinn | LinkedIn John Hudson, Chief Survival Instructor, UK military John Hudson | LinkedIn Caitlin Gould, Founder, TECwomen and TECgirls Caitlin Gould | LinkedIn TECwomen CIC | LinkedIn Key topics covered: Sovereign capability Geopolitics Communication Emerging talent Psychological resilience Environmental compliance Local communities Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • S1 · E13
    July 9 · 29 min

    Ian Taylor: To protect satellites in space, “find your friends and stick with them”

    Why does the UK struggle to scale-up early-stage innovations? Must the Government move from being a core funder to a primary procurer? And how do we define sovereignty in an age where standalone defence is complex? Does true sovereignty mean carefully selecting international partners and alliances? If modern space infrastructure, like maritime surveillance and drone tracking, relies on dual-use military and civilian technology how do commercial and security sectors ensure this becomes second nature? And why are stock market pricings and rail logistics crucial in securing long-term, cross-departmental government funding? Join Alice and former UK Science Minister, Ian Taylor, as they track the shift of space from an uncoordinated, low-profile portfolio to becoming part of the UK's Critical National Infrastructure. Contributors: Alice Bunn, President of UKspace Dr Alice Bunn OBE FIMechE FRAeS CEng | LinkedIn UKspace: Overview | LinkedIn Ian Taylor, Strategic Advisor and former UK Science Minister Ian Taylor | LinkedIn Key topics covered: Government as first user Sovereignty as protection Dual-use technology Maritime surveillance Drone tracking Public value Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • S1 · E12
    July 3 · 39 min

    The truth about in-orbit manufacturing and bringing stuff back to Earth

    What is the “commercial paradigm shift” that transitions space research into commercial space production? How does this shift help build a global supply chain for high-value terrestrial industries? Why will manufacturing substrates like gallium nitride or diamond in space allow companies to bypass decades of Earth-bound defect correction research? How do we move from building complex, multi-million-pound machines that we burn up on re-entry to reliable methods for bringing satellites back to Earth for refurbishment, reuse and upgrading? And how do we do this while reducing the cost of return by a factor of 10? Join Alice and Andrew Bacon, the CTO and co-founder of Space Forge, as they talk about building autonomous, “unscrewed mini-space factories”, super-clean environments, uniform temperatures and perfect material mixing, far away in higher orbit and safe from human contamination. Contributors: Alice Bunn, President of UKspace Dr Alice Bunn OBE FIMechE FRAeS CEng | LinkedIn UKspace: Overview | LinkedIn Andrew Bacon, CTO and co-founder of Space Forge Andrew Bacon | LinkedIn Space Forge | LinkedIn Key topics covered: In-orbit manufacturing Ultra-vacuum/low contamination Microgravity Autonomous space factories Innovation in re-entry Low ballistic coefficient Sustainability and the environment Global supply chain Commercial space production Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • July 2 · 15 min

    The UK Defence Investment Plan (DIP) and its impact on space

    What are the critical sovereign capabilities that DIP will be funding? Does DIP do enough to acknowledge the role of space as national infrastructure that underpins the UK defence stack? How will geospatial imagery and ISR data translate into active frontline capabilities? Can the UK securely guarantee that its international systems can operate without external interference? And why are “responsive launch” and assured access to space missing from the DIP? Join Jonners and the Head of Policy at UKspace, Stephanie Ayres, as they discuss the DIP not as a “final outcome” but as a “blueprint” for a long-term journey. Contributors: Jonathan Daves, The Karman Line Jonathan Daves | LinkedIn The Karman Line | Website Stephanie Ayres, Head of Policy UKspace Stephanie Ayres | LinkedIn UKspace: Overview | LinkedIn Key topics covered: UK Defence Investment Plan (DIP) Sovereign capabilities Intelligence, Surveillance, Reconnaissance (ISR) Deep space radar Orbital asset protection Foundational infrastructure Launch capabilities Earth observation (EO) Position, Navigation, Timing (PNT) Freedom of action Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • S1 · E11
    June 25 · 40 min

    The UK space economy: Government pivot, launch prospects and new alliances

    Did you know that the UK space industry is roughly the same size as the UK music and video games industries? And that beyond direct revenue, nearly £1 in every £5 of UK GDP is supported or enabled by satellite services? Or that, because the UK public sector budget is 0.2% of GDP compared with 0.8% for the EU, our market is more commercially driven and innovative? So how to get to the next level? Should the UK Government pivot its role from grant provider to “anchor customer”? Should the UK build more strategic, resilient partnerships, for example with the Nordic and Baltic nations, with Germany, Japan and Southeast Asia? Will the SpaceX IPO crowd new capital into competing launch vehicles that, if regulation can be stripped back, will “grease the wheels” for facilities like SaxaVord to succeed? And why, in five years or less, will regular landings on the moon become normalised and “boring”? Contributors: Alice Bunn, President of UKspace Dr Alice Bunn OBE FIMechE FRAeS CEng | LinkedIn UKspace: Overview | LinkedIn Doug Liddle, Chair of UKSpace Doug Liddle | LinkedIn Greg Sadlier, Co-founder and director of know.space Greg Sadlier | LinkedIn know.space | LinkedIn Key topics covered: SpaceX IPO UK space industry Sovereign characteristics Geopolitical partnerships Five-year outlook Domain awareness Orbital inspections and defence Asteroid mining SaxaVord Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • S1 · E10
    June 18 · 37 min

    Orbital Data Centres: Why reality might not match the hype

    What are orbital data centres (ODCs) and how do they differ from orbital edge computing? How do they solve the bottleneck of transmitting massive volumes of data from space to Earth? How believable is the central premise of the SpaceX IPO, that because space offers unlimited real estate, solar energy and natural radiative cooling it is therefore the future of Earth’s AI computing needs? Why are some experts sceptical and is there a danger that while AI demand is real, the infrastructure market could be a bubble waiting to happen? And why is developing sovereign ODC capabilities so “critical”? Join Alice and Jason Aspiotis, CEO and co-founder for a European space startup, as they talk about the “net present value” and future potential of ODCs, the lack of a “conviction to pursue something big” in Europe, and the terrifying or intriguing prospect of neuromorphic computing chips that mimic the low-power, high efficiency processing of the human brain. For more explanation, insight and expert opinions about the big issues shaping the future of space in the UK and beyond, register now for The Karman Line. https://www.thekarmanline.co.uk/ Contributors: Alice Bunn, President of UKspace Dr Alice Bunn OBE FIMechE FRAeS CEng | LinkedIn UKspace: Overview | LinkedIn Jason Aspiotis, CEO and co-founder for a European space startup Jason Aspiotis | LinkedIn Key topics covered: Orbital edge computing Orbital data centres (ODCs) Data bottlenecks ODCs as infrastructure UK and European sovereign capability ISAM (in-space servicing, assembly and manufacturing) Neuromorphic computing Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • S1 · E8
    June 3 · 28 min

    Space sustainability: Turning orbital debris into a national niche

    The idea of 14,000 satellites in low earth orbit sounds pretty scary but in context there’s over a million cars on the road in the UK alone and low earth orbit is a really big 3D space. So, should people be worried about space sustainability? Shouldn’t they just relax and remember there’s loads and loads of space out there? Or should they still be scared? What happens when satellites do cross paths? If they’re all part of the SpaceX Starlink constellation they’ll talk to each other instantaneously and get out of the way. But what if the contact is with a satellite from another country? Is it fair to say they’re on the equivalent of email or telephone? And what if they do collide? Will it be like the experiment in 2007 when the Chinese fired a missile at a defunct weather satellite? On the one hand, “great shot lads, you’ve hit something moving at 4km per second” but on the other, “you’ve probably caused a millennia worth of debris problems”. If it’s within our capabilities to move bikes and cars and trains and planes around the world in an ordered fashion, shouldn’t it be well within human capabilities to extend the use of space? Is there a role for the UK in being “the AA” of space and is the UK-New Zealand debris removal agreement a useful step down this road? Join Alice and Jonners as they talk to Phil Buckley, partner at the Public Service Consultants and a specialist in space sustainability, about the perils and pitfalls of satellite traffic jams and an opportunity that the UK “could be absolutely brilliant at”. Contributors: Alice Bunn, President of UKspace Dr Alice Bunn OBE FIMechE FRAeS CEng | LinkedIn UKspace: Overview | LinkedIn Jonathan Daves, The Karman Line Jonathan Daves | LinkedIn Phil Buckley, Partner at the PSC Phil Buckley | LinkedIn Key topics covered: Space sustainability The Kessler effect Space debris Starlink UK-New Zealand agreement Space traffic The Fengyun weather satellite Refuelling Servicing Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • S1 · E7
    May 18 · 35 min

    Space comms: why rockets really aren’t the story

    Why do people in the space sector think they have a comms problem and yet the public at large think space is sexy? Should we stop evangelising about the technology that gets stuff into space rather than the core marketing message? After all, KFC is about the chicken not the trucks that deliver it. What are the leadership opportunities in the UK from launch in Scotland and what is the “environmental conscience” behind that endeavour? And how did we end up with kids in St Austell working on global lunar space missions on the back of a famous “failure”? Join Alice, Jess Ratty from Halo Global and John Harrington UK editor of PR Week, as they confront the introspection of space and figure out better ways of confounding British understatement and amazing a world of would-be investors. Contributors: Alice Bunn, President of UKspace Dr Alice Bunn OBE FIMechE FRAeS CEng | LinkedIn UKspace: Overview | LinkedIn Jess Ratty, Founder and Leader, Halo Global Jess Ratty | LinkedIn John Harrington, UK Editor, PR Week John Harrington | LinkedIn PR Week UK Key topics covered: Communications Marketing Leadership opportunities Saxa Vord launch Environment Spaceport Cornwall Virgin Orbit’s “Start me Up” mission Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • S1 · E6
    May 7 · 37 min

    Space law: are existing legal frameworks fit for purpose?

    With a mind boggling 1.8 million satellites filed for launch before 2030 how are we going to manage the congested and contested realm of space? We know about warfare in space but how about lawfare in space? Who actually owns the moon? More pointedly, who owns the resources of the moon? How useful are the UK’s regulatory frameworks and how do you dispose of a fridge in low earth orbit? Join Alice, Jonners and international lawyer Joanne Wheeler, “the single powerhouse behind many of the space business successes”, as they mull on the legal challenges of an exponentially growing race for space. Contributors: Alice Bunn, President of UKspace Dr Alice Bunn OBE FIMechE FRAeS CEng | LinkedIn UKspace: Overview | LinkedIn Jonathan Daves, The Karman Line Jonathan Daves | LinkedIn Joanne Wheeler, Managing Partner, Alden Legal Joanne Wheeler | LinkedIn Key topics covered: International law Regulatory frameworks Moon mining Moonrise project Space congestion Dual use Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • S1 · E5
    April 21 · 32 min

    Mark Garnier: The financial sector needs to invest in space now!

    How can Britain exploit the “astonishing opportunity” to become a global energy supplier from space? Why is space an engineering problem not a £7 billion physics problem like nuclear fusion? What did Gordon Brown do that transformed the UK film industry and why is this relevant to space? What connects the Crusades, crates of gold, coffee shops, blockchain and space? Join Alice, Jonners and Mark Garnier MP as they figure out if space investment is big, messy and complicated or actually straightforward. And they argue why the UK Government must get properly involved. Contributors: Alice Bunn, President of UKspace Dr Alice Bunn OBE FIMechE FRAeS CEng | LinkedIn UKspace: Overview | LinkedIn Jonathan Daves, The Karman Line Jonathan Daves | LinkedIn Mark Garnier, MP for Wyre Forest Mark Garnier | LinkedIn Key topics covered: Solar energy Nuclear fusion Space investment Space X UK financial sector Government role Public awareness Parliament Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • S1 · E4
    April 9 · 33 min

    Artemis II: Never, ever, ever talk about rockets and astronauts

    So, we’re flying humans around the moon and bringing them back. But why are we doing it? To build a strategic outpost? To play power games? To do science? And if it's science, isn’t the useful value of resources on the moon a bit opaque? For example, why do we need to mine helium-3 when we can produce it on earth? More problematic, if you’re investing billions of dollars in putting sensitive instruments on the moon and you’ve got good access to light and frozen water, what happens when somebody else comes along and says: “I’d quite like a bit of that as well please”? How quickly does astropolitics become geopolitics? Join Alice and her guests, Libby Jackson, Head of Space at the Science Museum and Ian Annett, Chair UKSpace Launch Committee, as they debate the value of Artemis II and celebrate the idea of being driven to push boundaries. “We’re human, what can we do?” Contributors: Alice Bunn, President of UKspace Dr Alice Bunn OBE FIMechE FRAeS CEng | LinkedIn UKspace: Overview | LinkedIn Ian Annett, Chair UKSpace Launch Committee Ian Annett | LinkedIn Libby Jackson OBE FRAeS, Head of Space, the Science Museum Libby Jackson OBE FRAeS | LinkedIn Key topics covered: Artemis II Apollo missions Mining on the moon Astropolitics Collaboration in space Cost of commercial launches Security in space The lunar economy Mars missions Understanding evolution Kerosene alternatives Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • S1 · E2
    March 26 · 20 min

    Space-Comm Expo: Jamming, spoofing, FOMO and farming

    What did the Space-Comm Expo conference and exhibition tell us about connecting space and wider business? How does this manifest as tech connectivity in telecoms and why do farmers care about that? What did we learn about the benefits of extreme cold in manufacturing laboratories and why do pharmas care about that? How vulnerable are global logistics to the spoofing of navigation signals? And why is the UK government centralising space strategy in the Department for Science, Innovation and Technology? Join Alice and Jonners as they reflect on the UK space sector’s largest trade event and the “energy, diversity and …sheer scope of what this industry has to offer”. Contributors: Alice Bunn, President of UKspace Dr Alice Bunn OBE FIMechE FRAeS CEng | LinkedIn UKspace: Overview | LinkedIn Jonathan Daves, The Karman Line Jonathan Daves | LinkedIn Key topics covered: Space-Comm Expo, London, March 2026 Conference overview Sector integration Insurance Customer utility Government role Future outlook Technological advancements · Telecoms · Manufacturing Defence and security · Satellite capabilities · Current threats Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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