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The ITPro Podcast is a weekly show for technology professionals and business leaders. Each week hosts Rory Bathgate and Jane McCallion are joined by an expert guest to take a deep dive into the most important issues for the IT community. New episodes premiere every Friday. Visit itpro.com/uk/the-it-pro-podcast for more information, or follow ITPro on LinkedIn for regular updates.

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  • #371
    Yesterday · 13 min

    Google’s Spirit Airlines auction & TrendAI insider threat report

    This week, Bobby Hellard and Scott Bekker talk with ITPro’s news & analysis editor, Ross Kelly, to discuss some of the top stories from August. That includes Google acquiring a treasure trove of data from a defunct airline in a bid to bolster AI products. The auction to acquire data from Spirit Airlines hit headlines this month as Google outbid another industry player looking to capitalize on a trove of information. We also discuss TrendAI’s insider threat report, which looked at how cyber criminals are building increasingly sophisticated insider threat networks.

  • #370
    August 21 · 27 min

    The key to a successful IT strategy

    Poorly implemented IT strategies have a significant impact on businesses. From lackluster growth and financial losses to employee change fatigue, the risks are huge. With enterprises ramping up AI adoption, many are failing to learn the lessons from previous change programs and are diving headlong into projects. On this week's episode of the ITPro Podcast, Jane and Ross speak with Al Kingsley MBE, CEO of NetSupport, to explore how IT leaders can implement change, lead by example, and deliver successful transformation projects.

  • #369
    August 14 · 24 min

    Stopping supply chain attacks

    Supply chain attacks are increasingly common and increasingly disruptive, but organizations still struggle to defend against them properly. In this episode of the ITPro Podcast, Jane and Ross are joined by Haydn Brooks, CEO of supply chain security firm Risk Ledger, to talk about what threats businesses are facing, what mitigation strategies could work well, and why cyber teams need to work together throughout the supply chain. Highlights "Most of the attacks that you find in in kind of the supply chain main are untargeted. So it's where you've had a threat actor launch a lot of attacks against a lot of different targets, they've breached a company without really knowing who that company is or was, and then they've basically passed that access on to somebody else, or they've gone on and leaked data or taken that company offline. And it's not really like a targeted attack against someone else, it's just that other companies who use that supply ... experience that as a supply chain attack, and very few of them are targeted. Where they are targeted, they are very hard to defend against because essentially, as the end target, I'm having to worry about an attack against somebody else, which I have no control over, being able to detect that and then being able to somehow respond to it as well." "I think actually the regulation has kind of followed the the movement that we've seen within the industry rather than the other way around ... we're seeing a lot of these regulations also requiring companies to be either taking threat intelligence from others or sharing threat intelligence with others, as well as reporting incidents. So all of the regulation and the way security teams operate is moving in that direction of being more open, sharing more to benefit for the wider industry." Links Cyber resilience in the UK: learning to take the punches DORA and why resilience (once again) matters to the board Securing the supply chain: Why zero trust and recovery readiness are non-negotiable Logistics firm supply chain breach hits Valve and other customers Former NCSC head says the Jaguar Land Rover attack was the 'single most financially damaging cyber event ever to hit the UK' as impact laid bare The LiteLLM supply chain attack this year could be the biggest ever Why supply chain resilience is under the spotlight Jaguar Land Rover “did the right thing” shutting down systems to thwart cyber attack

  • #368
    August 7 · 23 min

    Can responsible AI beat hallucinations?

    Hallucinations are an eternal problem in generative AI in particular, and while it’s true that large language models (LLMs) require vast amounts of data, the quality of that information will affect the quality of the output. What can businesses do to ensure they’re using AI both effectively and responsibly? In this episode of the ITPro Podcast, Jane and Ross are joined by Amanda Stent, head of AI strategy and research in the office of the CTO at Bloomberg, to examine what responsible AI is, how organizations can use it, and what has been achieved at Bloomberg. Highlights "The (Bloomberg) terminal gives users access to more than 17,000 news providers, not just Bloomberg News, more than 1000 research brokers, more than 400 million documents from companies themselves, and billions and billions and billions of ticks – that's prices – every day for equities, bonds, commodities, derivatives, any kind of financial instrument you can think of. So, in that context, accuracy is paramount. If we hallucinate or do something that's otherwise incorrect, markets may move, and that might be bad." "We have guardrails that we run on every input to and output from a Gen AI system ... (which) are specific to financial services. For example, we don't want users to be injecting code into our systems. That's a generic guardrail, and we also are in the business of offering financial information, but not financial advice. So if you say. What's a buy case for IBM? We should give it to you. If you say, 'Should I buy IBM?' we should say, 'Nope, I can't answer that question because that's not something we're in the business of doing', and that's a finance-specific guardrail." "We have analysts using our AI systems to ... help them write their research reports more quickly, more easily to cover more companies, to understand the context of a company with its sector and its industry, to write on-demand reports for clients instead of a monthly or a quarterly report. We have portfolio managers doing the same thing, writing on-demand reports for clients using AI instead of quarterly reports. So these are some of the new ways in which people are using AI. But to me, traditionally it was about efficiency and signal generation. And today I think it's about effectiveness. So it's helping people become more effective in how they use AI." Links AI hallucinations, accuracy still top concerns for UK tech leaders as adoption continues This new technique could improve AI output accuracy by 80% – and tackle hallucinations once and for all The ITPro Podcast: Why doesn't more data produce better results? Bloomberg’s Responsible AI Research: Mitigating Risky RAGs & GenAI in Finance Bloomberg Survey: How London’s finance workforce is embracing AI on its own terms

  • #366
    August 3 · 26 min

    What the OpenAI rogue bot story really says about the state of AI security

    OpenAI and Anthropic both revealed this month that their "highly advanced" agents broke free of containment during a cybersecurity training exercise. Both businesses said this shows how advanced their AI agents are but is that the whole story? This week, Jane and Scott are joined by news editor Ross Kelly to discuss the biggest story of July, plus Jane's takeaways from AMD Advancing AI.

  • #365
    July 31 · 15 sec

    Non-episode announcement

    There's no ITPro podcast episode today, instead we will be putting out the episode you'd normally have in your feed today on Monday. Then we'll be back to our normal Friday routine. Thanks for listening!

  • #364
    July 27 · 19 min

    SPECIAL EDITION: The cloud hangover – why UK IT leaders are taking back control

    Organizations have been rushing to the public cloud, often without much thought given to strategically placing workloads. Over the intervening years, however, IT and business decision makers have learned that while public cloud can be useful for some applications, there's no one size fits all and AI has brought this to even greater focus. What's the role of private cloud in managing workloads effectively and how can businesses strategically choose what path is best for them? In this episode, in association with Redcentric, the ITPro Podcast is joined by senior product manager for cloud, Darren Adcock, and senior technical architect, Paul Jenner, to discuss the legacy of cloud investment and how organizations can manage their workloads better. Highlights "In many respects, the cloud hangover is kind of a consequence of various factors that people maybe didn't take into account when they moved into cloud... maybe we've got the wrong cloud in use for the wrong application. Maybe we're seeing overspend. Maybe we're seeing just poor customer performance." "It goes back to the early adoption of public cloud being a one size fits all. We've got to move to cloud, we've got to move everything to cloud without necessarily spending the time to think what's most appropriate to move to cloud, what's the most appropriate to keep on private cloud." "Generally, if you re-architect when you move to cloud, then you are more likely to get a cost-effective outcome. If you don't re-architect, the chances are you are just moving a cost to somewhere else where it actually might be more expensive to run than if it was on private cloud." "It's about a sensible view of your workloads of the requirements for those workloads against the capabilities and constraints of each of those clouds and choosing the right environment." Resources https://www.redcentricplc.com/ https://www.redcentricplc.com/managed-services/cloud/ https://www.redcentricplc.com/managed-services/cloud/private-cloud/ https://www.redcentricplc.com/sovereignty/

  • #363
    July 16 · 26 min

    Why doesn’t more data produce better results?

    Data is treated as a source of untapped riches for businesses, promising a world of better insight and easier management. What’s less discussed is how it’s possible to drown in this ocean of information – more data sometimes just means more noise, and this is as true in IT as in any other profession. Why doesn’t more data produce better results? Is there a better way forward? And what does this mean for the end users? On this episode of the ITPro Podcast, Bobby Hellard and Ross Kelly talk to Fernando Castanheira, the CIO of Riverbed. Castanheira's career has struck a balance between tech and finance, and how data is used to power businesses. He talks us through the mismatch between the amount of data available and how it's being used.

  • #362
    July 10 · 13 min

    The Evolution of Digital Twins

    Digital twins have been a key tool for organisations to create virtual replicas of operating environments. From transportation to manufacturing and oil & gas, they help simulate performance and prepare for ‘what-if scenarios’. But they’re evolving. On this week’s episode, Bobby talks to ITPro’s news and analysis editor, Ross Kelly, to ask what exactly a digital twin is and how they are evolving since the arrival of generative AI. The term ‘digital twin’ is even taking on different meanings; in some cases it’s not just a virtual replica of a factory floor, for example. We are now seeing digital twins of people, with Forrester describing them as ‘Digital Doubles’. Gartner also predicts that some organisations will begin creating ‘Digital Twins of Customers’ as a way to simulate how customers might respond to specific scenarios. Does your business need a digital twin? | IT Pro Are AI digital twins a match made in heaven? | IT Pro

  • #361
    July 3 · 15 min

    The end of tokenmaxxing – and what comes next

    The rise and fall of tokenmaxxing has been dramatic, not least because of how quickly it happened. From a darling of CEOs wanting to show how AI-forward they are to a balance sheet nightmare, the journey this particular strategy for measuring AI lasted mere months before its star started to fade. In this episode of the ITPro Podcast, Jane and Bobby are joined by Frank Böhmer, CEO of Ninox, to talk about what prompted the trend in tokenmaxxing, why it fell apart, and what comes next. Could rising token costs boost interest in on-premises hardware? Uber’s eye-watering AI bill shows enterprises are still measuring AI success through consumption rather than outcomes’ IT leaders are being stung by "unexpected" AI costs The AI pricing time bomb ‘What we’re seeing right now is just rapid escalation in AI token spend’: Accenture tells staff to stop using AI for unnecessary tasks amid surging costs Surging AI costs could exceed developer salaries by 2028 – analysts say context engineering could be the key to optimizing token consumption Companies are regretting investing in generative AI so quickly – here’s how to avoid buyer’s remorse Image credit: Getty Images

  • #360
    June 26 · 22 min

    Do we have enough talent and power for the future of AI?

    It’s a very uncomfortable end to June with temperature records once again being broken across Europe. The technology world is moving forward unabated, though, still talking about AI and, in particular, the workforce and infrastructure that underpins it. Do we have the talent to meet the demand for AI? Do we have the power to keep our data centers operational? And can the European Union get us off our dependence on Google Workspace and Microsoft 365? ITPro’s news editor Ross Kelly joins Jane and Bobby to look back on some of the most interesting stories of the month. ‘Open source should rest on transparency, not deception’: Euro-Office ‘sovereignty’ claims questioned in scathing open letter by LibreOffice maintainers | IT Pro The UK is running on fumes as data center build-outs can’t keep pace with demand | IT Pro UK faces huge AI talent shortage | IT Pro

  • #359
    June 19 · 32 min

    HPE Discover and Pure Accelerate 2026

    This week’s episode comes to you live from Las Vegas, where we link up with Jane McCallion at HPE Discover and also ITPro’s news editor, Ross Kelly, at Pure Accelerate. Jane talks us through all the major announcements at HPE, with a heavy focus on how its Juniper Networks acquisition is impacting its new products and services. She also gives her thoughts on CEO Antonio Neri and the company’s approach to agents. Across the Las Vegas Strip at Resorts World, Ross gives us his insight into Everpure, the impact of rising hardware costs on its business, and how organizations can get their data AI-ready. HPE Discover 2026 Live: Day 2 keynotes HPE unveils a raft of new networking products for AI workloads at Discover 2026 HPE Discover 2026 Live: Day 1 keynotes Everpure wants you to get your data AI-ready Everpure continues data management pivot with new Data Intelligence platform launch Everpure’s data management pivot puts it on a ‘collision course’ with industry big hitters What will the big announcements be at HPE Discover 2026?

  • #358
    June 11 · 24 min

    The AI pricing time bomb

    Are businesses heading for an AI pricing time bomb? With companies like Uber suddenly raising concerns about the inability to draw a clear line between token usage and visible improvements, there is a growing question about the real cost of AI and agents. On this episode of the ITPro Podcast, Bobby Hellard and Ross Kelly are joined by the CEO of Mendix, Raymond Kok, to discuss the different scenarios facing businesses as the true cost of AI hits home. Highlights “I think more and more the conversation is shifting in that direction. So, starting with what are the business-relevant use cases, and I'm saying business relevant on purpose, because there are plenty of interesting use cases around generative AI, but it's about the business-relevant use cases. Then it's about what is the job that needs to get done, and then to your question, how do you actually budget for agents like you budget for your human workforce in any company? And I think slowly but surely that narrative is changing, right, and I think what we're going to go see is that after the IPO of Ventropic and Open AI, the prices will further soar, and I think this conversation will become more and more important.” “I'm glad that actually you're talking about it in your podcast, because I think it's now really becoming an issue, meaning that CEOs and CIOs were obviously promoting their employees to become AI literate and started to make AI tooling available to their workforce. 24 months ago, they were able to sign attractive deals with the big technology providers and get their people going, but now the bill is starting to show up. It used to be maybe 10, 20, maybe 50k a month for a larger company, but it's now moving into the hundreds of ks, and guess what, because this is also usage-based, it's very hard to control, right, so most of the monetization models, as you know, of these large language providers is based on usage.” 'One-size-fits-all' agent governance sets enterprises up to fail Uber caps usage of AI tools like Claude Code to manage costs (Bloomberg) Uber’s eye-watering AI bill shows enterprises are ‘still measuring AI success through consumption rather than outcomes’ – and it's warping our perception of ROI and productivity Could rising token costs boost interest in on-premises hardware?

  • #357
    June 5 · 21 min

    Why mobile connectivity still matters for business

    When we talk about wireless connectivity, often what we’re thinking about is WiFi, however mobile connectivity such as 5G is still important for many sectors. What happens to a business when mobile connectivity is inadequate or fails completely? On this episode of the ITPro Podcast Jane and Bobby are joined by Paul McHugh, VP of EMEA sales at Ericsson, to discuss how wireless connectivity issues can affect businesses. Sign up to the ITPro Newsletter for more content like this direct to your inbox every day. Three and Ericsson just launched a first-of-its-kind managed 5G service for businesses | IT Pro ePrivate 5G and partner ecosystems: The blueprint for intelligent infrastructure | ChannelPro

  • #356
    June 3 · 21 min

    SPECIAL EDITION: Security at the speed of AI

    Many IT leaders are at a crossroads in their careers, with the clear potential of AI for cybersecurity matched with the huge threat of AI-powered attacks. Recent releases such as Anthropic’s Claude Mythos have revealed the wave of AI-assisted vulnerability discovery, which will act as a powerful asset in the defender’s toolkit but could also become a potent weapon in the attacker’s arsenal. Luckily, IT leaders don’t have to make all these decisions alone. With the right partner today, they can get in the right mindset for AI-speed attacks today, and make the most of automation in their cybersecurity. In this episode, in association with Automox, the ITPro Podcast is joined by the company’s CTO Jason Kikta to discuss how to do more with less in endpoint management. Highlights “A core principle of cyber resilience is that every strategy fails at the inventory layer first, as you cannot defend, patch, or recover what you don't know you have.” “Cyber resilience is framed as a business problem that requires the investment and attention of the CFO, not solely an IT or security team responsibility.” “IT leaders are advised to benchmark their security response times against the fastest attackers, not the average, as attacker tooling is improving faster than defensive capabilities.” “The speed at which attackers can exploit vulnerabilities has drastically decreased, moving from weeks to mere hours due to AI-assisted exploit development.” Resources Beyond visibility: endpoint management and mitigation at frontier pace https://www.automox.com/ https://www.automox.com/resources/ebooks-and-guides/agile-ai https://www.automox.com/resources/ebooks-and-guides/business-value-of-automox https://go.automox.com/state-of-endpoint-management-2026/

  • #355
    May 29 · 29 min

    The future of employment and gentlemanly hackers

    The month of May is coming to a blistering hot end. Across Europe, new high temperature records are being set and unpredictability is very literally in the air as people wonder how they will adapt to these rapid meteorological changes long term. In the world of IT, technology may be evolving equally rapidly but are the takes from the AI faithful still that hot or is the discourse increasingly predictable? Plus, a dapper ransomware outfit is gaining infamy as one of the most active and successful cyber gangs in the world. Highlights “It's a fairly tepid take. The idea that the professions that will survive the AI revolutions are the ones that need to physically be done – trades, as we say in British English. Also … things like hairdressers, carers, nurses, doctors, whatnot, they're all supposed to be kind of fairly safe professions as well.” “You wouldn't take a section of your employees and give them access to everything, or leave them to run consistently and hope that everything works out, because it would just end up in failure with data privacy issues [and] all kinds of problems. What Gartner's report said was that if you fail to distinguish between an agent's ability to act and the scope of access it's granted, then it will come down to some kind of a failure, and these are often not noticed until the failure happens.” “[The Gentlemen] feel kind of somewhat nomadic, somewhat just able to turn their attention to wherever is going to be the most lucrative spot for them … [and] they are now responsible for 10% of all cyber crime.”

  • #354
    May 28 · 28 min

    SPECIAL EDITION: What Would a Mythos-Resilient SOC Look Like?

    Security operations center (SOC) analysts were already stretched to their limits, with teams often unable to investigate threats at the scale and speed needed to keep their organizations completely protected against modern threats. The surprising emergence of the Claude Mythos Preview represents an inflection point when it comes to that issue. In pre-release testing, Anthropic found this frontier model so effective at discovering and independently exploiting vulnerabilities that the company decided not to release Mythos. Whether Mythos ever gets a full release, it is a harbinger of a step function in capabilities with large language models that will likely push the limits of SOC analysts even further – with automated attacks coming at all hours, increased volumes, and potentially better-than-human sophistication. One of the great promises of AI agents is that of the 24/7 worker, which could play a particularly powerful role in security. But what does this look like in practice, especially in an era of Mythos-type LLMs? In this episode, in association with Dropzone AI, ITPro is joined by Edward Wu, founder and CEO at Dropzone AI, to unpack how agentic AI can automate alert triage Highlights “End-to-end remediation in complex organizations requires human judgment, context, and accuracy, areas where AI agents are not yet close to automating.” “AI agents can be thought of as 'foot soldiers' managed by human 'field generals' in the SOC, handling tasks like alert investigations while humans focus on complex issues.” “The threat from LLMs is not overblown, but rather a culmination of a gradual increase in capabilities over the past few years, with Mythos being a significant threshold.” “The future of the SOC will involve experienced people managing armies of AI agents, similar to software development teams where engineers manage multiple AI coding agents.” “Models like Mythos fundamentally change the situation by enabling attackers to more economically find zero-day vulnerabilities and weaponize them into exploits, impacting vulnerability management teams first.” Footnotes https://www.dropzone.ai/ https://www.dropzone.ai/resources/customer-case-studies https://www.dropzone.ai/resources/learning-guide

  • #353
    May 22 · 26 min

    Dell Technologies World 2026: agents, hardware, and tokenomics

    It’s been a busy week for the enterprise tech world in Las Vegas as Dell Technologies customers, partners, and channel partners poured into the Venetian Conference Center to hear about the company’s latest strategies, products, and predictions for the future of IT. In this episode, Bobby speaks to Jane about what she’s learnt during her week at the conference, what some of the big announcements were, and whether her pre-conference predictions were correct.

  • #352
    May 15 · 33 min

    How AI code is changing software development

    IT leaders are carefully assessing the extent to which AI-generated code can make a difference in their business. On the one hand, AI developers promise their tools can enable faster code deployment and free up time for developers. On the other, it can be difficult to know where to start with AI tools – particularly if you want total reliability in your code. How can enterprises make best use of AI code? And what do these tools mean for the developer teams of the future? In this episode, Jane and Rory are joined by Colin Jarvis, head of forward deployed engineering at OpenAI, to discuss internal code generation.

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