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Join us in The Delegates Lounge, an independent podcast on world affairs based in New York City at the United Nations, the hub of global insights in plain sight. We hope you’ll come back often to listen in on some fascinating conversations hosted by J. Alex Tarquinio, a veteran journalist who writes essays for Foreign Policy from her office across the hallway from the UN Security Council chamber.
 
We’ll wade into the rising tide of global threats to peace and security in our discussions with the denizens of high-level diplomacy, as well as assorted scholars, scientists, soldiers, spies, and other influencers. From time to time, we’ll hit the road for sit downs with the world’s movers and shakers, whether it be at NATO’s 75th Anniversary Summit in Washington, D.C.  or to parts as yet unknown.

This podcast is solely a production of The Delegates Lounge LLC, which was co-founded by the host and her husband and executive producer, Frank Radford. 
As we’re a small team, we can’t respond to every message, but we promise to read your messages if you contact us at:

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  • S5 · E1
    May 24 · 33 min

    Rafael Grossi: From the Zero Line to His Bid for UN Chief

    Rafael Grossi, Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), and candidate to become the next secretary-general of the United Nations, recently dropped by The Delegates Lounge podcast (technically, recorded in UNHQ's East Lounge). He was in New York for the start of the review conference of the parties to the treaty on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons (NPT), which ended on May 22, 2026. The previous week, he'd had his turn in the SG race spotlight, answering questions posed by the world's diplomats here. During the weekend in between, he was in Ukraine to mark the 40th anniversary of the nuclear power plant meltdown in Chornobyl. In a candid, exclusive half-hour interview, we spoke about a drone strike damaging Chornobyl's protective structure and other grave risks posed to nuclear safety. We pivoted to artificial intelligence governance and maritime security and discussed how his experience in his current role would impact his approach to these vital spheres of international security should he be elected as the 10th secretary-general, who will succeed UN Secretary-General António Guterres in January. This interview was recorded on April 29, 2026. Since then, a fifth candidate for secretary-general has joined the race. Speakers: J. Alex Tarquinio (host) is a resident correspondent at the United Nations in New York and co-founder of The Delegates Lounge® podcast. @alextarquinio of @delegateslounge on X and @thedelegateslounge on Instagram. Rafael Grossi (guest) is an Argentine diplomat. He has been serving as Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) since December 2019. He was formerly the Argentine ambassador to Austria, concurrent with Slovenia, Slovakia and International Organizations based in Vienna, from 2013 to 2019. @rafaelmgrossi of @IAEAorg on X and @grossirafaelmariano of @iaeaorg on Instagram. References: Read our host’s analysis of the race for the next secretary-general of the United Nations in Foreign Policy at: https://foreignpolicy.com/2026/04/22/un-secretary-general-race-guterres-candidate-questions-dialogues/ Subscribe to our YouTube channel, where you can watch episodes with photos, maps, and graphics, at: https://www.youtube.com/@TheDelegatesLounge Cover Photo Credit: Rafael Grossi briefing reporters at UNHQ on October 27, 2022: UN Photo/Manuel Elías

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  • S4 · E4
    January 9 · 32 min

    Inside Slovenia’s Security Council Finale

    From the office of the United Nations Security Council president, we sit down with Slovenian Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Tanja Fajon to unpack how a small state navigates big political storms. The conversation addresses Gaza’s fragile ceasefire and Russia's war in Ukraine—where her recent visit revealed the human cost of the war. The discussion delves into European defense resilience and the legal thicket around frozen Russian assets. We conclude with an analysis of the search for the next UN Secretary-General, who will take office next year. As the first woman to serve as Slovenia's foreign minister, our guest argues for more women in high office at the United Nations. If this conversation sharpens your view of global diplomacy, subscribe, share with a friend, and leave a review. Your feedback helps other curious listeners find their way to The Delegates Lounge. Speakers: J. Alex Tarquinio (host) is a resident correspondent at the United Nations in New York and co-founder of The Delegates Lounge podcast. Subscribe to our YouTube channel. @alextarquinio of @delegateslounge on X and @thedelegateslounge on Instagram. Tanja Fajon (guest) is the deputy prime minister and minister of foreign and European affairs for the Republic of Slovenia. @tfajon of @MZEZ_RS on X and @tanja.fajon of @MFEA_slovenia on Instagram. References: Our host mentioned her Foreign Policy article about Slovenia's successful campaign against Belarus for the seat on the Security Council reserved for Eastern Europe. https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/06/09/belarus-slovenia-russia-united-nations-security-council-rotating-seat/ gift link Her recent FP article gives a sense of the challenges confronting the United Nations and the elected Security Council members. https://foreignpolicy.com/2026/01/09/united-nations-trump-withdraws-budget-venezuela-world-order/ gift link Photo/Video Credits: Photos and videos of Minister Fajon's foreign travels courtesy of the Slovenian Foreign Ministry Videos in the United Nations Security Council and General Assembly; historical photos of the United Nations Conference on Interational Organization in San Franciso in 1945 : © United Nations Photo from the high-level conference on Palestine: UN Photo/Manuel Elías; 22 September 2025; © United Nations Photo of the European Parliament in Strasbourg: olrat - stock.adobe.com Video of Brussels/European Union headquarters: © European Union Video of the NATO headquarters in Brussels and of the NATO training operation with Ukrainian soldiers: © NATO Photos and video within and looking out of the window of the Security Council President's office in December 2025 and of the arrival at the main entrance for the General Assembly in September 2025: © The Delegates Lounge LLC All other photos and videos licensed from Adobe Stock

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  • Oct 7, 2025 · 1 min

    Welcome to The Delegates Lounge!

    J. Alex Tarquinio, your host and a journalist based at the United Nations in New York, guides you through what to expect on the show. Launched in 2024 with her husband and executive producer, Frank Radford, the podcast is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and now in video on Instagram Reels and our new YouTube channel! Comments or questions? Email us at info@thedelegateslounge.com.

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  • S4 · E3
    Oct 2, 2025 · 28 min

    Exclusive: Estonia's Foreign Minister at the United Nations

    Want to watch the episode? Check out our video interview on our NEW YouTube channel! While in New York for the 80th Session of the General Assembly, Estonia’s foreign minister sat down with The Delegates Lounge podcast at Estonia's Mission to the United Nations. He had recently addressed an emergency session of the UN Security Council on the threats of Russia's air incursions into NATO airspace. Our conversation examines what deterrence looks like when Moscow tests the line. From NATO's Baltic Sentry and Eastern Sentry Operations to Article 4 consultations, we delve into the developments set in motion by the Kremlin's recent incursions into NATO airspace on the eve of the gathering of more than 150 heads of state and government for the General Assembly in New York. The conversation goes beyond immediate threats to NATO countries to the problem of paying for the long war that Russia is waging on Ukraine. Estonia makes the case for using frozen Russian assets for Ukraine, paired with tighter sanctions that strike at Russia’s war economy. The conversation also confronts the challenges facing the United Nations itself, as the organization struggles with a fiscal crisis and uncertainty over its sense of purpose. If this episode resonates with you, be sure to follow the show, share it with a friend, and leave a quick review. It will help others who share your interests find their way to The Delegates Lounge podcast. Speakers: J. Alex Tarquinio (host). @alextarquinio of delegateslounge on X, formerly known as Twitter. Margus Tsahkna, Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Estonia (guest). @Tsahkna of @MFAestonia on X, formerly known as Twitter. References: Alex, our podcast host, wrote the United Nations General Assembly curtain raiser for Foreign Policy. Here's a free gift link to the article.

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  • S4 · E2
    Sep 29, 2025 · 36 min

    Exclusive: Romania's Foreign Minister at the United Nations

    Romania’s Foreign Minister Oana Toiu sat down with The Delegates Lounge podcast on the margins of the United Nations General Assembly. From an official Romanian office overlooking the East River, she spoke candidly about Eastern European security and the calculations that went into Romania's decision making when a Russian drone recently transited their territorial airspace for around 50 minutes. The UN General Assembly has now officially begun its 80th session. The high-level week began with a conference on recognizing Palestine, with several countries doing so for the first time. Romania, however, was among the first European countries to do so. The minister was clear on two points: Hostage release should be the first principle; and Hamas has no political future. At the same time, she said, the humanitarian emergency demands action and a horizon toward a two‑state solution. Finally, we discussed the malaise at the United Nations, from a fiscal crisis to the search for the next secretary-general. She makes a serious case for an Eastern European secretary‑general after eight decades without one. If you value strategic clarity over sound bites, press play. Then subscribe, share with a friend who follows world affairs, and leave a review to help others find their way to The Delegates Lounge. Speakers: J. Alex Tarquinio (host) is a resident correspondent at the United Nations in New York and co-founder of The Delegates Lounge podcast. @alextarquinio of @delegateslounge on X and @thedelegateslounge on Instagram. Oana Toiu (guest) is the foreign minister of Romania. @oana_toiu of @MAERomania on X and @oana_toiu of @mfaromania on Instagram. References: Our podcast host, J. Alex Tarquinio, covered the United Nations high-level week for Foreign Policy. Here's a gift link to the coverage.

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  • S4 · E1
    Sep 25, 2025 · 28 min

    The United Nations at 80: Former U.S. Deputy Robert Wood on the Winds of Change

    Want to watch the episode? Check out our video interview on our NEW YouTube channel! Drama unfolds at the United Nations this week, as the 80th session of the UN General Assembly gets underway with leaders from more than 150 countries gathering in New York. At The Delegates Lounge podcast, we're beginning our coverage of what is known as either the "high-level week" of the General Assembly, or, more simply, "UNGA." We held our first conversation with the former U.S. Deputy Permanent Representative Robert Wood, who served during the Biden Administration, as he shares his unfiltered perspective on a radically changed landscape. Recorded on Sunday, Sept. 21 as we walked about the United Nations headquarters in New York while security and television crews were scurrying all around us to set up for the big week ahead. Our conversation reveals how the organization faces existential challenges unlike any since World War II. The contrast couldn't be more striking – last year's ambitious Pact for the Future versus this year's austere UN80 reform process. With the Trump administration returning to power and withholding critical funding, the UN now confronts a severe liquidity crisis forcing Secretary-General António Guterres to implement painful reductions of about one-fifth of staff. Wood expresses grave concern about cuts to conflict resolution capabilities and humanitarian operations at a time when global needs have never been greater. "The UN is at a major point of inflection," Wood warns, as we explore how budget constraints will reshape multilateralism itself. The conversation delves into pressing geopolitical flashpoints – from Russia's designs beyond Ukraine to the Palestinian statehood conference set to take place at the General Assembly the next day. With 48 hostages still held by Hamas and Israeli operations intensifying, Wood offers candid insights on diplomatic missteps and potential pathways forward. Looking ahead, the selection of the next secretary-general emerges at a pivotal moment. Wood articulates the need for a visionary leader who can navigate reforms while preserving the organization's core mission – someone who fosters "hope, not division" during these tumultuous times. Despite the sobering assessment, Wood maintains that the UN remains "a big hope for billions around the world" if it can adapt to new realities. Join us for this essential conversation that goes beyond headlines to explore what's at stake for multilateralism. Subscribe now and never miss an episode as we bring you insights from the heart of international diplomacy. Speakers: J. Alex Tarquinio (host) is a resident correspondent at the United Nations in New York and co-founder of The Delegates Lounge podcast. @alextarquinio of @delegateslounge on X and @thedelegateslounge on Instagram. Amb. Robert Wood (guest) was the U.S. Deputy Permanent Representantive to the United Nations during the Biden Administration. @WoodRoberta5 on X. References: Our podcast host, J. Alex Tarquinio, wrote the curtain-raiser for the United Nations high-level week for Foreign Policy. Here's a gift link to the article.

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  • S3 · E10
    Aug 19, 2025 · 23 min

    Trump Withholds his Trump Card, Sanctions, in High Stakes Summits

    The Trump administration made an about-face on sanctions after the Alaska Summit between United States President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin on August 15. Washington now appears reluctant to bolster sanctions as a means of coercing the Russian leader to the peace table, in part, because Putin's regime portrays Russia as an economic juggernaut weathering Western sanctions with ease. Our guest in this episode, Yale's Jeffrey Sonnenfeld, challenges that Russian narrative. Jeffrey was instrumental in encouraging executives to pull up stakes and leave Russia after the Kremlin's full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022. His team devised a novel A-to-F grading system to gauge the corporate exodus. Contrary to assumptions that businesses are eager to return, he makes the case that the corruption, supply chain management nightmares, and reputational risks make Russia a toxic business environment for global companies. "Nobody wants to go back in," he states unequivocally. As peace talks continue, he argues that this economic reality undermines Putin's negotiating position far more than is widely recognized. Sonnenfeld predicts Russia will be "out of cash by New Year's" if the war continues – information critical for understanding why sanctions remain a powerful lever in diplomatic efforts to end the conflict. We caught up with Jeffrey while European leaders and Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy were meeting with United States President Donald Trump in the Oval Office on August 18. Listen Up!: We recently launched a new YouTube channel, including our previous episodes since creating The Delegates Lounge last year. For our regular listeners, we’ll keep up our playlist on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and the other podcast apps. But YouTube lets you watch videos and subtitles translated into a variety of languages — from Arabic to Ukrainian. Find us on YouTube and hit the “Subscribe” button! Speakers: J. Alex Tarquinio (host) is a resident correspondent at the United Nations in New York and co-founder of The Delegates Lounge podcast. @alextarquinio of @delegateslounge on X and @thedelegateslounge on Instagram. Jeffrey Sonnenfeld (guest) is the Senior Associate Dean for Leadership Studies and the Lester Crown Professor in Management Practice at the Yale School of Management. He’s best known as the founder and president of the Chief Executive Leadership Institute, a nonprofit educational and research institute focused on CEO leadership and corporate governance. @JeffSonnenfled of @YaleSOM on X. References: Our host mentioned a New York Times article in which she had quoted the guest. Here's that article. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/14/business/mutual-funds/energy-markets-volatility.html Photo Caption and Credit: President Donald Trump greets Russian president Vladimir Putin at Joint Base Elmendorf Richardson in Anchorage, Alaska, Friday, August 15, 2025. (Official White House Photo by Daniel Torok)

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  • S3 · E9
    Aug 11, 2025 · 57 min

    Exclusive: The United Nations Ambassador for Panama and Security Council President

    Join us for our talk with Eloy Alfaro de Alba, Panama’s Permanent Representative to the United Nations. Ambassador de Alba is serving in the monthly rotating presidency of the Security Council for the Month of August, and for this exchange, we sat down with him in the Security Council President’s office. From time to time, you may hear the roar of seaplanes landing on New York’s East River right outside of the expansive picture window. Some 100,000 commercial vessels are plying through international waters on any given day, transporting around 80 percent of world commerce. During their journeys, many of these ships will pass through the Panama Canal. We couldn’t have a better guide to understanding the canal than Ambassador de Alba, who served on the board of directors of the Panama Canal Authority during the first decade after the country took control of the canal from the United States. Beyond the canal, we explore Panama's influential ship registry, which has operated since 1917 and recently implemented new standards that will make it more difficult for some vessels engaged in criminal activity or sanctions evasion to fly the Panamanian flag. The Ambassador candidly discusses how Panama balances maritime commerce with combating these pressing concerns. Much of our conversation with the Security Council President would have been right at home in one of our episodes of “Undercurrents,” our occasional series about the oceans and seas that unite us, and sometimes, divide us. But we also discuss key topics on the Security Council's packed agenda: From potential snapback sanctions on Iran to the intractable violence in Haiti. Finally, our conversation ventures into the wilds of the Darién Gap, that roadless jungle on the Panamanian-Colombian border that forms the only break in the Pan-American Highway, where migrants risk everything in their northward journey. The Ambassador's perspective on this humanitarian challenge reveals the complex realities facing transit countries caught between migration's push and pull factors. Listen Up!: We recently launched a new YouTube channel, including our previous episodes since creating The Delegates Lounge last year. For our regular listeners, we’ll keep up our playlist on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and the other podcast apps. But YouTube lets you watch videos and subtitles translated into a variety of languages — from Arabic to Ukrainian. Find us on YouTube and hit the “Subscribe” button! Speakers: J. Alex Tarquinio (host) is a resident correspondent at the United Nations in New York and co-founder of The Delegates Lounge podcast. @alextarquinio of @delegateslounge on X and @thedelegateslounge on Instagram. Eloy Alfaro de Alba (guest) is the Permanent Representative of Panama to the United Nations. @EloyAlfaroAlba of @panamaonuny on X and @panamaonuny on Instagram. Photo Caption and Credit: Eloy Alfaro de Alba, Permanent Representative of Panama to the United Nations and President of the Security Council for the Month of August, chairs the Security Council meeting on non-proliferation. UN Photo/Manuel Elías; August 6, 2025, 10:04 a.m.

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  • S3 · E8
    Jul 18, 2025 · 53 min

    Exclusive: The United Nations Ambassador for Pakistan and Security Council President

    Ambassador Asim Iftikhar Ahmad, Pakistan's envoy to the United Nations, joins us in The Delegates Lounge as his country holds the rotating monthly presidency of the UN Security Council. July is typically a sleepy period here at the UN. But not this year! That’s because a UN General Assembly conference to discuss Palestinian statehood, originally scheduled for June, will now land at the end of this month. The ambassador articulates Pakistan's support for a two-state solution based on pre-1967 borders, saying, "there is a clear understanding among the majority of the membership that we need to move forward on Palestinian statehood." The conference was pushed back because of the strikes on Iran’s nuclear facilities. Pakistan swiftly criticized the bombing by the United States. As a nuclear state, Pakistan is not a signatory to the nuclear nonproliferation treaty, but the ambassador says that Iran, as a signatory, should abide by it. His most ardent remarks relate to the recent Pakistan-India conflict over Kashmir. Pakistan has nominated President Donald Trump for a Nobel Peace Prize for his role in concluding a ceasefire. Regarding Ukraine, Pakistan abstained on UN resolutions calling on Russia to leave Ukraine — until a recent twist in February. This conversation took place at the UN headquarters in New York shortly before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's confirmation hearing of Mike Waltz to become UN ambassador. We did, however, discuss the mood at the UN as it faces budget tightening and calls for reform. Listen Up!: We recently launched a new YouTube channel, including our previous episodes since creating The Delegates Lounge last year. For our regular listeners, we’ll keep up our playlist on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and the other apps. But YouTube lets you watch videos and subtitles translated into a variety of languages — from Arabic to Ukrainian. Find us on YouTube and hit the “Subscribe” button! Speakers: J. Alex Tarquinio (host) is a resident correspondent at the United Nations in New York and co-founder of The Delegates Lounge podcast. @alextarquinio of @delegateslounge on X and @thedelegateslounge on Instagram. Ambassador Asim Iftikhar Ahmad (guest) is Pakistan's Permanent Representative to the United Nations and President of the Security Council for the month of July. @Asimiahmad of @PakistanUN_NY, @ForeignOfficePk on X and @pakmission_un, @foreignofficepk on Instagram. Photo Caption and Credit: Asim Iftikhar Ahmad, Permanent Representative of Pakistan to the United Nations and President of the Security Council for the month of July, chairs the Security Council meeting on the situation in the Middle East (Yemen). UN Photo/Manuel Elías; July 9, 2025, 10:03 a.m.

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  • S3 · E7
    Jul 10, 2025 · 1 hr 15 min

    Ukrainian Journalist Nataliya Gumenyuk on Russia's Invasion

    Nataliya Gumenyuk takes us behind the headlines to reveal the stark reality of Ukraine's resistance to Russian aggression. Having embedded with drone operators near the frontlines, she offers rare insight into evolving military tactics. "Before, drones were supplementary," she says, "but now they're used instead of artillery." A Ukrainian journalist based in Kyiv, she describes The Reckoning Project, which collects testimonies that may serve as journalistic material or evidence for future prosecutions. This work inspired “The Reckoning,” a recent limited-run theatrical production at the Arcola theater in London, produced in cooperation with Dash Arts. When discussing her colleague Victoria Roshchyna — who died in Russian captivity, and whose mutilated body was ultimately returned to Ukraine — Nataliya asks what more could be done for those still held by Russia. Reporters Without Borders has profiled 29. The National Union of Journalists of Ukraine says the figure is at least 30, while Nataliya puts it at 35. As our interview concludes, an air raid alert sounds on Nataliya's phone — a striking reminder that for Ukrainians, the war is everpresent. Speakers: J. Alex Tarquinio (host) is a resident correspondent at the United Nations in New York and co-founder of The Delegates Lounge podcast. Subscribe to our new YouTube channel. @alextarquinio of @delegateslounge on X and @thedelegateslounge on Instagram. Nataliya Gumenyuk (guest) co-founded the Public Interest Journalism Lab and The Reckoning Project. She's a frequent contributor to The Atlantic, Foreign Affairs, and The Guardian. @ngumenyuk of @PIJLab and @TRPforJustice on X and @ngumenyuk on Instagram. References: We discussed Nataliya’s recent article about drone warfare in The Atlantic. Here’s a gift link for nonsubscribers. We talked about the description of drone warfare in a well-known decade-old article about drone pilots in the Nevada desert. Nataliya mentioned this Vanity Fair article about Ukrainian children. The Reckoning Project was credited with help on this story. Credits: Music: Intro/Outro, Adobe Stock — Roads loop 6/Stefan Kartenberg; Awkward Mystery/Ionics; Water of the Moon/MusicLFiles. Walla tracks captured and mixed by The Delegates Lounge LLC/J. Alex Tarquinio. Photo: Nataliya Gumenyuk

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  • S3 · E6
    Jun 21, 2025 · 1 hr 21 min

    Dining with Diplomats: Midsummer Edition 2025

    Welcome to the third edition of "Dining with Diplomats," a series that explores the intersection of food, culture, and diplomacy. In this edition, we'll journey across Europe to discover the diverse celebrations marking the summer solstice. Swedish Consul General in New York Erik Ullenhag takes us through the significance of the Midsummer holiday in Sweden, where the celebration rivals Christmas in importance. After enduring months of winter darkness, Swedes embrace the nearly endless daylight with maypole dancing, traditional songs about jumping frogs, and a feast featuring fresh potatoes, herring, and sweet summer strawberries. Later in summer, communities gather for crayfish parties, a tradition deeply rooted in Sweden's lake culture. Our voyage continues to Romania, where Deputy Permanent Representative to the United Nations Andreea Mocanu reveals how geographical diversity shapes regional cuisines. Mocanu shares childhood memories of her grandmother's dawn-to-dusk black cherry jam making and age-old food preservation techniques. In Bulgaria, UN diplomat Svetozar Dimitrov guides us through a progression of seasonal celebrations, from March's Baba Marta Day to the ancient practice of barefoot walking on hot coals in the Strandzha mountains. Bulgaria's refreshing summer cuisine features a cold yogurt-cucumber soup and kyopolou, a roasted eggplant spread that captures summer's bounty. Greek and Spanish traditions round out our Mediterranean exploration, with the ancient origins of spanakopita and the cooling comfort of Córdoba's salmorejo, described by one cultural officer as "sunshine in a bowl." Speakers: J. Alex Tarquinio (host) is a resident correspondent at the United Nations in New York and co-founder of The Delegates Lounge podcast. @alextarquinio of @delegateslounge on X and @thedelegateslounge on Instagram. Erik Ullenhag (guest) is the Consulate General of Sweden in New York. He was formerly a Swedish politician and ambassador to Jordan and Israel. @erikullenhag of and @swedennewyork and @SweMFA on X and @erikullenhag of @swedennewyork and @swedishmfa on Instagram. Andreea Mocanu (guest) is the Deputy Permanent Representative of Romania to the United Nations in New York. @andreea_mocanu1 of @RomaniaUN_NY and @MAERomania on X and @mfaromania on Instagram. Svetozar Dimitrov (guest) is First Secretary at Bulgaria’s Permanent Mission to the United Nations. @BGmission and @MFABulgaria on X. Credits: The pieces of music introducing and concluding the Bulgarian segment are mentioned by the guest. “July Morning” by Uriah Heep "Izlel je Delyo Hagdutin" sung by Valya Balkanska on NASA’s “golden record” sounds and music of earth on the Voyager spacecraft. All other music: Adobe Stock

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  • S3 · E5
    Jun 12, 2025 · 28 min

    A Maritime Expert on Perils at Sea: Undercurrents Part 3

    Welcome to the third edition of "Undercurrents," an ongoing series in The Delegates Lounge podcast about the oceans and seas that unite us, and sometimes, divide us. In this episode, we're continuing our conversation with Michelle Wiese Bockmann, a former longtime analyst with Lloyd's List, one of the world’s oldest continuously running journals that has provided shipping news from London for centuries. Beneath, above, and at the surface of global shipping lanes, a new era of maritime threats is emerging with potentially devastating consequences for world trade, communications, and security. Our conversation with Michelle plunges immediately into the rise of cable cutting incidents in the Baltic Sea, where vessels have severed critical undersea infrastructure connecting nations and communications networks. She describes how difficult it is to prove sabotage in these cases, even as NATO deploys artificial intelligence to track suspicious vessel movements. The shadowy "dark fleet" of vessels operating outside international norms presents a particular challenge, with ships engaged in deceptive practices that make monitoring difficult. Drone warfare has changed maritime security calculations. From the Houthi attacks in the Red Sea using unmanned explosive boats to targeted strikes against commercial vessels, these relatively inexpensive weapons have forced shipping companies to abandon crucial trade routes. The economic impact is staggering. Rerouting around Africa's Cape of Good Hope adds approximately one million dollars in fuel costs per container ship journey, costs ultimately shouldered by consumers worldwide. Most concerning is the growing inability of international governance frameworks to address these evolving threats. The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) was drafted long before modern drone warfare and cable cutting incidents, while Michelle says the International Maritime Organization has become paralyzed by geopolitical divisions. As she sees it, the United States has retreated from its traditional leadership role in these forums, leaving critical environmental and security decisions in limbo. From the Arctic's opening passages to the complexities of Panama Canal operations, this conversation offers rare insights into the vulnerabilities of our ocean-dependent global economy. Join us for this essential exploration of maritime security challenges that affect everything from the products on our store shelves to the internet connections powering our digital lives. Subscribe to The Delegates Lounge for more critical insights into the maritime undercurrents shaping global politics, economics, and environmental security. Speakers: J. Alex Tarquinio (host) is a resident correspondent at the United Nations in New York and co-founder of The Delegates Lounge podcast. @alextarquinio of @delegateslounge on X and @thedelegateslounge on Instagram. ‪ Michelle Wiese Bockmann (guest) is a maritime analyst and former longtime writer with Lloyd’s List, one of the world’s oldest continuously running journals. @Michellewb_ on X. References: Recent articles by our guest include this opinion piece in the Financial Times. https://www.ft.com/content/7a89f7ae-cf3b-4e53-88bb-b87916f3eeef Our host mentions in this episode that she interviewed Michelle for an article in The New York Times when the sanctions were relatively new. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/15/business/energy-stock-market.html

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  • S3 · E4
    Jun 9, 2025 · 42 min

    Shadow Fleet is Russia's Dark Gambit: Undercurrents Part 2

    Welcome to the second edition of "Undercurrents," an ongoing series in The Delegates Lounge podcast about the oceans and seas that unite us, and sometimes, divide us. In this episode, we're joined by Michelle Wiese Bockmann, a former longtime analyst with Lloyd's List, one of the world’s oldest continuously running journals that has provided shipping news from London for centuries. Michelle expounds on the explosive growth of what she calls "the Dark Fleet," also commonly called "the Shadow Fleet," a parallel shipping network that transports sanctioned oil from Russia, Iran, and Venezuela while shippers and receivers thumb their noses at the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). What began as just a small number of vessels in 2018 has mushroomed into more than 700 tankers, by her estimation, roughly 18% of the globally trading tanker fleet. Michelle reveals the elaborate deceptions employed by these vessels: so-called "flag hopping" between opportunistic registries, using Byzantine ownership structures to hide beneficial owners, spoofing location data, conducting ship-to-ship transfers at sea, and operating with questionable or fraudulent insurance that couldn't possibly cover a catastrophic spill. The environmental and safety risks are staggering. These elderly, poorly maintained vessels, averaging 22 years old, sail through environmentally sensitive areas like the Baltic Sea carrying millions of barrels of oil. "The Dark Fleet is a very serious accident waiting to happen and I'm literally surprised there hasn't been one by now, simply because the condition of these ships is so terrible," Michelle warns, describing a potential billion-dollar environmental disaster waiting to happen. Meanwhile, approximately 25 seafarers per vessel often find themselves unwitting participants in sanctions evasion, with vessel abandonment rates reaching record highs. A recent Baltic Sea confrontation between Estonian authorities and an unflagged tanker, which we spoke with the Estonian defense minister about in our latest episode, reveals the escalation of geopolitical tensions and limited options available to coastal governments. As sanctions and price caps on Russian oil show mixed results, Michelle says that some privately-owned shipping companies have begun returning to the Russian trade as prices fall below sanction thresholds – potentially improving safety but complicating policy objectives. Subscribe to The Delegates Lounge for more critical insights into the maritime undercurrents shaping global politics, economics, and environmental security. Speakers: J. Alex Tarquinio (host) is a resident correspondent at the United Nations in New York and co-founder of The Delegates Lounge podcast. @alextarquinio of @delegateslounge on X and @thedelegateslounge on Instagram. ‪ Michelle Wiese Bockmann (guest) is a maritime intelligence analyst and former longtime writer with Lloyd’s List, one of the world’s oldest continuously running journals. @Michellewb_ on X. References: Recent articles by our guest include this opinion piece in the Financial Times. https://www.ft.com/content/7a89f7ae-cf3b-4e53-88bb-b87916f3eeef Our host mentions in this episode that she interviewed Michelle for an article in The New York Times when the sanctions were relatively new. https://www.nytimes.com/2 Credits: Music: Adobe Stock Photos: Adobe Stock/momentscatcher. Watchman on the navigation bridge

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  • S3 · E3
    Jun 4, 2025 · 36 min

    Estonia's Defense Minister on Baltic Security: Undercurrents Part 1

    Welcome to the first edition of "Undercurrents," a new ongoing series in The Delegates Lounge podcast about the oceans and seas that unite us, and sometimes, divide us. In this episode, we're joined by Estonian Defense Minister Hanno Pevkur. He explains what's happening beneath the surface of maritime confrontations in the Baltic Sea. Rising tensions have transformed this crucial waterway into a geopolitical flashpoint, with Russia deploying military assets to escort its so-called "shadow fleet" of aging oil tankers. With approximately 60% of Russian oil exports traveling through Baltic waters, these maritime routes have become critical to Moscow's ability to sustain its military operations in Ukraine. The May incident involving the unflagged tanker "Jaguar," which later acquired a flag and changed names, exemplifies Russia's aggressive strategy. The incident quickly escalated to Russia violating Estonian airspace with a fighter jet. A week later, Russia's ambassador to the United Nations referred to "Baltic pirates" in a polemic during a UN Security Council session. We caught up with Minister Pevkur right before this week's meeting of NATO defense ministers in Brussels, so we also discussed NATO's defense spending and priorities. Join us for this riveting conversation that navigates the choppy waters of Baltic security and explores how maritime tensions are reshaping the global security landscape. What happens in these northern waters could have ripple effects far beyond Europe's shores. Subscribe to The Delegates Lounge for more critical insights into the maritime undercurrents shaping global politics, economics, and environmental security. Speakers: J. Alex Tarquinio (host) is a resident correspondent at the United Nations in New York and co-founder of The Delegates Lounge podcast. @alextarquinio of @delegateslounge on X and @thedelegateslounge on Instagram. ‪ Hanno Pevkur (guest) is the Minister of Defense of the Republic of Estonia. He is an Estonian politician and lawyer who previously served as his country’s Minister of the Interior, Minister of Justice, and Minister of Social Affairs. @HPevkur of @MoD_Estonia on X. Credits: Music: Adobe Stock Photos: Adobe Stock/Yaroslav. An oil tanker on the blue sea. Headshot (in some formats): Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Estonia.

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  • S3 · E2
    May 26, 2025 · 52 min

    The Trouble with Tariffs: Harvard Economist Jason Furman Weighs In

    In pursuit of economic understanding, we speak with Jason Furman, the Harvard economist who co-teaches the university’s core course in the discipline, “Principles of Economics,” Harvard’s most popular course. The conversation tackles President Donald Trump's "Liberation Day" tariff announcement that sent markets nosediving, that is, until the president hit the pause button. The Harvard economist methodically dismantles the logic behind targeting countries with bilateral trade deficits, using unexpected examples like Madagascar’s vanilla bean exports and Lesotho's diamond exports to illustrate why the approach is fundamentally flawed. "We could eliminate our trade deficits with them," he explains, "and what would that mean? That would mean less vanilla beans and fewer diamonds." Our wide-ranging discussion touched on Trump’s big, beautiful budget bill and Moody’s downgrade of its U.S. debt rating while, along the way, exploring the linkages between global trade, clean energy, and artificial intelligence. Jason, an economic adviser to President Barack Obama, offers a refreshingly clear-eyed assessment of both the Trump and Biden administration approaches to trade and manufacturing. Despite their different methods (tariffs versus subsidies), both administrations share a nostalgic vision of American manufacturing that doesn't align with today's economic reality. Listeners are reminded of our guest's Foreign Affairs magazine article "The Post-Neoliberal Delusion" that critiqued Biden's signature economic legislation (see link below). Looking forward, his greatest economic worry is that "the tariffs come back with a vengeance," while his greatest hope lies in the potential of artificial intelligence to "raise productivity growth, raise wages, help with our deficit problems" if implemented thoughtfully. Speakers: J. Alex Tarquinio (host) is a resident correspondent at the United Nations in New York and co-founder of The Delegates Lounge podcast. @alextarquinio of @delegateslounge on X. Jason Furman (guest) is the Aetna Professor of the Practice of Economic Policy jointly at Harvard Kennedy School and the Department of Economics at Harvard University. He is also nonresident senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics and a past U.S. presidential adviser. @jasonfurman of @Harvard and @PIIE on X. References: We mention a recent article by the guest in Foreign Affairs magazine so we’re providing the link below. https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/post-neoliberal-delusion Credits: Music: Adobe Stock Illustration: Adobe Stock/UraiwanT Headshot (in some formats): Jason Furman, Harvard University

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  • S3 · E1
    May 16, 2025 · 41 min

    Victor Cha on Korea's Crossroads

    The Delegates Lounge podcast commences our third season in a timely conversation with Victor Cha, the well-known Korea watcher who is both president of the Geopolitics and Foreign Policy Department and Korea Chair at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a foreign policy think tank based in Washington, D.C. He served in an advisory role to the secretary of defense in the Joe Biden administration and served on the National Security Council in the George W. Bush administration. In this episode, we delve into the complex geopolitical landscape facing South Korea today, as the country heads into a critical special election on June 3. One month is all that separates the balloting next month from the selection of the candidates vying to replace impeached President Yoon Suk Yeol. What distinguishes this election cycle, however, is the unprecedented role of relations between United States and South Korea as a campaign issue. Unlike past elections, when the United States enjoyed consistently high approval ratings among South Koreans, the Trump Administration's tariff policies have created significant economic challenges. This new dynamic creates challenges for the trilateral relationship between the United States, Japan, and South Korea. The historic Camp David accord reached in 2023 represented unprecedented cooperation, but its future remains uncertain with leadership changes in all three countries. While Japan and South Korea have made progress under Yoon's government in moving beyond historical grievances, the election outcome could determine whether this forward-looking approach continues or reverts to past animosities. Perhaps the most alarming development in the region is the strengthening alliance between North Korea and Russia. North Korea's direct support for Russia's war in Ukraine by providing ammunition, missiles, and even troops that helped Russia regain parts of Kursk has yielded substantial benefits for Kim Jong-un's regime. The flow of money, food, fuel, and technology from Russia to North Korea has effectively broken the UN sanctions regime, placing North Korea in a much stronger position than when it previously engaged with the Trump administration. Speakers: J. Alex Tarquinio (host) is a resident correspondent at the United Nations in New York and co-founder of The Delegates Lounge podcast. @alextarquinio of @delegateslounge on X. Victor Cha (guest) is president of the Geopolitics and Foreign Policy Department and Korea Chair at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a Georgetown University professor, and a former member of the U.S. National Security Council. @VictorDCha, the @CSISKoreaChair @CSISGeopolitics of @CSIS on X. References: Our guest in this episode has his own podcast. Listen to The Impossible State on the CSIS website. https://www.csis.org/podcasts/ Victor Cha is the author of eight books. His two most recent works are mentioned in this episode. Korea: A New History of North and South https://www.amazon.com/Korea-New-History-South-North/dp/0300259816 The Black Box: Demystifying the Study of Korean Unification and North Korea https://www.amazon.com/Black-Box-Demystifying-Unification-Contemporary/dp/0231211090 Credits: Music: Adobe Stock Map: Adobe Stock/Sean Gladwell

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  • S2 · E5
    Mar 30, 2025 · 45 min

    Talking Tariffs with Mark Zandi, Moody's Chief Economist

    As President Donald Trump's self-proclaimed "Liberation Day" approaches on April 2nd, bringing with it a wave of new tariffs, we're joined by an expert who can help us parse rhetoric from reality. Moody's Chief Economist Mark Zandi explores the potential economic impact of broad-based tariffs on American consumers, farmers, and business owners. As chief economist, he oversees Moody’s global economic forecast. Mark is a frequent guest on American network news shows and hosts the podcast “Moody’s Talks: Inside Economics.” He has advised policymakers at all levels, including giving Congressional testimony on economic matters; so, we’re very lucky to have him help us understand the potential impacts of tariffs. The president paints a picture of tariffs ushering in an American manufacturing renaissance. Mark explains where, from an economist’s point of view, that theory might run into road bumps. He describes “stroke of the pen risk," the paralyzing uncertainty that dissuades many businesses from making new investments, and how this could impact daily life. Stick around to the end of the episode to find out which classic movie strikes a chord with Mark right now. Share your thoughts with us at the social media links below and subscribe to our show for more enlightening conversations at the intersection of global affairs and everyday life. Speakers: J. Alex Tarquinio (host). @alextarquinio of @delegateslounge on X, formerly known as Twitter. Mark Zandi (guest). @MarkZandi of Moody's on X, formerly known as Twitter. References: Mark has a weekly economics podcast, Moody’s Talks – Inside Economics. Alex mentioned that she had interviewed Mark in the past, most recently for a New York Times article about energy. Credits: Music: Adobe Stock Illustration: Adobe Stock/Dilok Headshot (in some formats): Moody's Chief Economist Mark Zandi Connect With Us: X Instagram BlueSky

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  • S2 · E4
    Mar 23, 2025 · 1 hr 6 min

    The United Nations Adrift in a Sea of Change

    In this episode, we explore the seismic shifts reshaping global diplomacy with Richard Gowan, the International Crisis Group's UN expert and our first-ever return guest, or "friend of the pod." Recorded at UN headquarters while Trump and Putin conducted a phone call to discuss the war in Ukraine, our conversation captures a pivotal moment in international relations. The timing couldn't be more significant as we analyze how the Trump administration might transform the United States of America's relationship with the United Nations, not through complete withdrawal as some fear, but through strategic disengagement and funding cuts that could devastate humanitarian operations worldwide. Gowan provides extraordinary insight into the coming UN Secretary-General race, where Latin American candidates are positioning themselves while carefully navigating the Trump administration's preferences. We explore China's calculated approach to filling potential power vacuums and examine how the U.S.-Russia rapprochement is creating an uncomfortable dynamic for traditional American allies, particularly regarding Ukraine peace negotiations. Our conversation concludes with real-time analysis of the readout of the Trump-Putin call as it hit the host's inbox, providing listeners with expert interpretation of this crucial diplomatic engagement. Whether you're a foreign policy professional or simply concerned about global stability, this episode offers essential context for understanding how the international order is being reshaped before our eyes. Subscribe now to ensure you never miss these vital conversations at the heart of world affairs. Speakers: J. Alex Tarquinio (host). @alextarquinio of @delegateslounge on X. Richard Gowan (guest). @RichardGowan1 of @crisisgroup on X. References: Alex wrote about Elise Stefanik's confirmation hearing to become the next United States ambassador to the United Nations in Foreign Policy. https://foreignpolicy.com/2025/01/17/un-ambassador-elise-stefanik-hearing-confirmation-trump/ Richard wrote about Trump's impact on multilateralism in Foreign Policy. https://foreignpolicy.com/2025/03/03/trump-united-nations-multilateralism-diplomacy/ They spoke at length about Richard's recent article on China and Afghanistan for Just Security. https://www.justsecurity.org/107832/us-china-standoff-afghanistan-un/ Alex mentioned the "virtual cookies" that she shared during UN week. Those may be found here and here. Credits: Music: Adobe Stock Photos: UN Photo/Pasqual Gorriz, February 23, 2020, 2:03 p.m. The Maritime Task Force fleet serving with United Nations Interim Force In Lebanon (UNIFIL) conducts a joint drill exercise in international waters off the Port of Beirut. Headshot (in some formats): Richard Gowan

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  • S2 · E3
    Mar 1, 2025 · 1 hr 15 min

    Slovenia’s Ambassador Pulls Back the Curtain on a Surprise Act at the UN

    As the world marked the third anniversary of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine on Monday, competing resolutions at the United Nations brought tensions within the international community to the forefront. This episode dives deep into the diplomatic maneuvering and dueling agendas, revealing the complexities that reshape alliances and influence decisions made at the United Nations. As our host explains, the anniversary this week was Act One in a three-act tragedy that culminated in the Oval Office on Friday, February 28. The guest in this episode, Samuel Zbogar, Slovenia's UN ambassador who sits on the UN Security Council, offers invaluable insights into the intricacies of the negotiation process and the challenges faced by countries seeking to support Ukraine against ongoing aggression. Listeners are treated to a vivid narrative highlighting the unexpected shift in United States foreign policy and its implications for Ukraine and the broader geopolitical landscape. What does it mean when one of the most significant military powers distances itself from traditional allies? The final act played out in the Oval Office on Friday, when Ukrainian President Voldomyr Zelenskyy was bushwhacked as both the U.S. president and vice president accused him of being disrepectful and unthankful. There is a bonus segment with Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski explaining how he was lied to over Shaheed drones by Iran, one of which was on display across from the UN. Speakers: J. Alex Tarquinio (host). @alextarquinio of @delegateslounge on X. Samuel Zbogar (guest). @Samuel_Zbogar of @SLOtoUN References: The host wrote about Slovenia's election to the UN Security Council in Foreign Policy. https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/06/09/belarus-slovenia-russia-united-nations-security-council-rotating-seat/ Alex also wrote about the confirmation hearing of Elise Stefanik for United States Ambassador to the United Nations. https://foreignpolicy.com/2025/01/17/un-ambassador-elise-stefanik-hearing-confirmation-trump/ See photos and videos of the Iranian Shahed drone display on our social media: Twitter/X; Insagram; BlueSky Credits: Music: Adobe Stock Photos: UN Photo/Eskinder Debebe. The semi-anual UN Security Council meeting on the International Residual Mechanism for Criminal Tribunals on June 11, 2024. Photo of podcast interview (in some formats): Permanent Mission of Slovenia to the United Nations.

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  • S2 · E2
    Feb 21, 2025 · 50 min

    The View From Paris: A French Political Scientist on the New Direction in Washington

    Get ready to explore the turbulent waters of transatlantic relations with our guest, French political scientist Célia Belin. Discover how the Trump administration's controversial actions, including remarks from Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and Vice President JD Vance, have sent ripples across Europe, particularly in response to the tensions over Ukraine. With President Macron at the helm, rallying European leaders to counter these shifts, Celia provides a nuanced perspective on the strategic and emotional dynamics at play in European capitals as they brace for potentially profound changes in US foreign policy. We'll navigate the shifting political currents within Europe, where figures like Jean-Luc Mélenchon and Marine Le Pen are recalibrating their positions in light of global developments. As we dissect the responses from the far-right, including Germany's AfD and France's Reconquête, you'll gain insight into how these parties are juggling admiration for Trump with the real-world implications of his alignment with Kremlin narratives. The episode also delves into JD Vance's incendiary address at the Munich Security Conference, sparking dialogue on free speech, political realignments, and the future of European security. As we round out our discussion, we'll confront the broader implications of a potential second Trump administration on the transatlantic alliance, exploring how European leaders are responding to the existential question of strategic autonomy. From Macron's calls for a European army to the historical context of French skepticism towards NATO, we assess Europe's readiness to assert its significance in global affairs amid unsettling US rhetoric. Immerse yourself in this comprehensive examination of a relationship under strain and the strategies European leaders are employing to navigate these uncharted waters. Speakers: J. Alex Tarquinio (host). @alextarquinio of @delegateslounge on X. https://foreignpolicy.com/author/j-alex-tarquinio/ Célia Belin, a senior policy fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations and head of its Paris office (guest). @celiabelin on X. https://ecfr.eu/profile/celia-belin/ References: The host has quoted the guest in the following Foreign Policy articles. Macron’s China Trip Is a Fool’s Errand https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/04/06/macron-france-china-visit-pension-protests/ Putin’s War is Shaking Up the French Election https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/03/10/russia-war-france-elections-macron/ The Education of Pap Ndiaye https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/07/17/france-politics-culture-war-education-pap-ndiaye-education-minister/ Credits: Music: Adobe Stock Photos: Adobe Stock/Karen Mandau; filter applied by The Delegates Lounge LLC. Headshot (in some formats): Célia Belin

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