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Yesterday · 1 hr 11 min
How Israel wields international law as a license to kill
In the wake of Israel’s obliteration of Gaza, it is easy to conclude that international law has failed. But Israeli scholar Neve Gordon argues that the problem runs deeper: states can wield the language and principles of international law not only to evade accountability, but to justify mass violence itself. On this episode of The +972 Podcast, Gordon traces how Israel has used legal concepts to construct a rationale for its assault on Gaza, how human rights advocacy has shifted from political struggle toward an increasingly professionalized field of lawyers and experts, and how the language of human rights can be co-opted to advance the very forms of domination it was meant to challenge. What, then, can international law actually offer a struggle for Palestinian liberation? Watch the episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/hUQ3nqrstro The full transcript of this episode will be available on our website. Edited by Abed Abou Shhadeh Theme music by Ghassan Birumi Support the show
August 28 · 1 hr 1 min
What happens to Palestinians in Israeli prisons?
Israel’s abuse of Palestinian prisoners and detainees has reached new heights since October 7, particularly for those arrested in Gaza. But what does this incarceration regime actually look like? Human rights lawyer Sahar Francis knows it better than most. She has spent decades advocating for Palestinian prisoners, and she tells +972 that the past three years are the worst she’s ever seen — even though conditions before the war had long been characterized by arbitrary cruelty. She describes how Israel has weaponized the legal system to hold detainees in inhumane conditions without charge or trial, and calls for international pressure in order to end it. Additional Reading: ‘It would’ve been better if they shot us’: Palestinians recount prison abuse Inside Israel’s torture camp for Gazan detainees The writing was on the wall for Israel’s torture of Palestinian prisoners ‘More horrific than Abu Ghraib’: Lawyer recounts visit to Israeli detention center ‘My hands are paralyzed from torture’: Gazans reveal horrors of Ofer Camp Israeli intelligence data: Militants account for only 1 in 4 Gaza detainees New data reveals 98 Palestinian deaths in Israeli custody since October 7 ‘I cannot help my clients’: The impossible task of representing Palestinian detainees ‘His only crime is that he is a Palestinian doctor’ Produced by Jennifer Cutler, edited by Abed Abou Shhadeh. Theme music by Ghassan Birumi Support the show
August 17 · 42 min
Israel’s genocidal government is dissolving. Its legacy is here to stay
As Israel prepares for elections on Oct. 27, the past four years demand a reckoning: what has prolonged far-right rule changed in law, policy, and political culture? And what does it reveal about the ability of Israeli institutions and civil society to protect rights during a time of acute crisis? Noa Sattath, Executive Director of the Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI) — one of the country's oldest and most prominent civil and human rights organizations — offers a behind the scenes look at what it means to fight for rights through institutions that have been complicit in horrific state violence, yet remain among the few arenas where that violence can still be challenged. Additional reading: The Association for Civil Rights in Israel The full transcript of this episode will be available on our website. Theme music by Ghassan Birumi Support the show
July 30 · 42 min
Inside Meta’s war on Palestinian content
In 2011, social media helped topple dictators. Today, platforms deprioritize political content across the board. But for Palestinians, the problem goes deeper than algorithms — it's systematic. A new report from 7amleh, the Arab Center for Social Media Advancement, documents more than 3,000 cases of Meta restricting Palestinian content over five years. 7amleh's executive director Nadim Nashif joins us to break down the mechanisms behind this digital erasure — and why Meta is just the clearest example of a digital ecosystem stacked against Palestinians. Right now, we’re running a fundraising campaign with a goal of welcoming 200 new members. +972 Magazine is fiercely independent, and that’s only possible because of listeners and readers like you. Head over to 972mag.com to learn more and support our journalism by becoming a member today. Additional reading: The Platformicide of Palestine (2021–2025): A Data-Based Analysis of Meta’s Policy Application, Moderation Enforcement, and Communication Monetizing Occupation: Meta’s Financial Enablement of Settlement Activity and Violent Rhetoric Against Palestinians The full transcript of this episode will be available on our website. Theme music by Ghassan Birumi Support the show
July 16 · 47 min
Israel stole Rashid Khalidi’s land. The U.S. is building an embassy on it
On July 1, Israel and the United States signed an agreement to build a permanent U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem on confiscated Palestinian property. Among the descendants of the Palestinian families who own the site is historian Rashid Khalidi. He details his family’s nearly 30 year legal battle against the planned embassy — and reflects on whether the hundred-year war on Palestine may finally be entering a new chapter, given historic shifts in global public opinion. Right now, we’re running a one-month fundraising campaign with a goal of welcoming 200 new members. +972 Magazine is fiercely independent, and that’s only possible because of listeners and readers like you. Head over to 972mag.com to learn more and support our journalism by becoming a member today. https://www.972mag.com/members The full transcript of this episode will be available on our website. Theme music by Ghassan Birumi Support the show
June 25 · 44 min
Why ‘ungrounding’ is the defining feature of Israel’s genocide
Since October 2023, much of Gaza has been reduced to rubble. But architect and Forensic Architecture founder Eyal Weizman argues that destruction alone does not capture what is taking place. Drawing on his new book, “Ungrounding: The Architecture of Genocide,” he describes a process that goes beyond erasure: the “rubbing out of any trace of existence” aimed at expelling the Palestinian population and permanently preventing their return. Right now, we’re running a one-month fundraising campaign with a goal of welcoming 200 new members. +972 Magazine is fiercely independent, and that’s only possible because of listeners and readers like you. Head over to 972mag.com to learn more and support our journalism by becoming a member today. Additional reading: ‘Render it unusable’: Israel’s mission of total urban destruction (+972 Magazine) The Killing Of Hind Rajab (Forensic Architecture) Israeli Disinformation: Al-Ahli Hospital (Forensic Architecture) The Massacre of Aid Workers in Tel Al-Sultan (Forensic Architecture) A Cartography of Genocide (Forensic Architecture) The full transcript of this episode will be available on our website. Theme music by Ghassan Birumi Support the show
June 11 · 44 min
The cost of a failed Palestinian leadership
The global movement for Palestinian justice has achieved real gains — in international courts, in diplomatic shifts, in a transformation of public opinion. Yet the official Palestinian leadership remains deeply fractured, ill-equipped to meet the moment. Omar Rahman, fellow at the Middle East Council on Global Affairs, makes the case that the Palestinian leadership crisis is a national emergency: those in power prioritize their own survival over any coherent response to Israel’s genocide, leaving Palestinians without a national vision and strategy at the moment they need it most. Additional Reading: Omar Rahman’s archive at +972 October 7 Exposed the Depth of the Palestinian Leadership Crisis Rupture and Representation: The Palestinian National Movement After October 7 The full transcript of this episode will be available on our website. Theme music by Ghassan Birumi Support the show
May 28 · 43 min
How Israeli classrooms indoctrinate Jewish supremacy
For generations, Jewish-Israeli children have been brought up in an education system where Palestinians rarely appear as Palestinians. Instead, they are "Arabs," “enemies,” and a "demographic threat" — or, in the words of scholar Nurit Peled-Elhanan, "a problem to be solved." A professor of language and education at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Peled-Elhanan has spent years documenting how Israeli textbooks erase Palestinian life, mobilize Holocaust memory to produce existential fear, and present occupation and ethnic hierarchy as natural facts of life. As Israel's genocide in Gaza lays bare the consequences of decades of dehumanization, she reflects on what this system has produced — and, having experienced the post-October 7 crackdown on dissent firsthand, what it does to those who challenge it. The full transcript of this episode will be available on our website. Theme music by Ghassan Birumi Support the show
May 14 · 46 min
Remembering the Nakba of urban Palestine
Jaffa was once a cosmopolitan port city deeply connected to the Arab world. Then, within a few years after 1948, it was transformed: most of its Palestinian population was expelled, its institutions seized and repurposed, and the few residents who remained were confined to a ghetto, often in houses that were not their own, under laws designed to make that dispossession permanent. Abed Abou Shhadeh, a community organizer and researcher, comes from one of the few families that never left. Today, he is raising his children in the city his great-grandfather refused to flee. Abou Shhadeh traces how the catastrophe of 1948 unfolded specifically in Jaffa, the parallels he draws between the ethnic cleansing of the city and the genocide in Gaza, and what it means to resist erasure across generations. Additional reading: Abed Abou Shhadeh’s archive at +972 For Palestinian parents, every day of this war provokes existential anxiety The full transcript of this episode will be available on our website. Theme music by Ghassan Birumi Support the show
April 16 · 27 min
The disappeared of Gaza
In April 2024, a sixteen-year-old boy named Hassan Al-Qatta rode his bicycle out of his neighborhood in Gaza and never came back. He is not confirmed dead. He is not confirmed alive. He has simply disappeared. Hassan is one of an estimated 9,000 to 15,000 people missing in Gaza. Journalist Mahmoud Mushtaha spent eight months reporting on what that number actually means. This investigation was produced by the Palestine Reporting Lab, a project of Just Vision. The investigation was published last month in partnership with WIRED and published in Arabic on Raseef22. Additional reading: What Happens When You Can’t Get a Death Certificate in Gaza Hassan Took a Bike Ride. Now He’s One of the Thousands Missing in Gaza Mahmoud Mushtaha’s archive at +972 The full transcript of this episode will be available on our website. Theme music by Ghassan Birumi Support the show
March 27 · 41 min
How Israel sells militarism at home and abroad
How has Israeli society become so deeply militarized, and what does that mean for how “security” is defined? Sahar Vardi, a veteran anti-militarist activist and researcher, traces how militarization shapes everyday life, drives policy, and exports arms and doctrines of control far beyond Israel's borders — and asks who profits, who pays, and why we accept this as inevitable. Additional reading: Israel’s arms sales are surging. So why are its weapons expos smaller than ever? Is Israel’s genocide economy on the brink? The full transcript of this episode will be available on our website. Theme music by Ghassan Birumi Support the show
March 12 · 39 min
Israel's Iran paradox
Israel spent 30 years depicting the Iranian regime as an existential threat, and now it is trying to eliminate it. But if the regime falls, which enemy will it choose next? Meron Rapoport joins us under Tel Aviv sirens to talk about the war's real goals, what it means for Israel’s relations with the Palestinians, and why “victory” may only set the stage for an even bigger challenge. The full transcript of this episode will be available on our website. Additional reading: Meron Rapoport’s archive at +972 Israel’s last war alongside an imperial power backfired. This one could, too Netanyahu’s pardon request is a lens into Israel’s political psyche Follow +972 Magazine: 972mag.com Instagram, Facebook, and X Support +972 Magazine: Become a Member Sign up for our newsletters Theme music by Ghassan Birumi Support the show
February 26 · 45 min
Where is the PA as Israel annexes the West Bank?
For more than half a century, Israel’s occupation of the West Bank was framed as temporary, even as realities on the ground told a different story. Now, legal experts say recent government measures have pushed Israel into de facto annexation. In the face of these moves, and in the shadow of the genocide in Gaza, the Palestinian Authority has never looked so weak. Longtime Palestinian affairs journalist Dalia Hatuqa unpacks what all of this means and how it is playing out on the ground. A full transcript of this episode will be available on our website. Additional reading: Dalia Hatuqa archive at +972 Has Israel crossed the annexation threshold in the West Bank? Follow +972 Magazine: 972mag.com Instagram, Facebook, and X Support +972 Magazine: Become a Member Sign up for our newsletters Theme music by Ghassan Birumi Support the show
February 12 · 45 min
Documenting the settler takeover of the West Bank
Across the occupied West Bank, Palestinian communities are being expelled at an alarming pace. Violent settler attacks are increasingly routine—and often ignored by authorities and much of the Israeli media. For the past two decades, Oren Ziv has documented these communities’ struggles to stay on their land when much of the Israeli press would not. In this episode, he shares how the constant threat of expulsion—whether from coordinated settler attacks, state policies, or both—reshapes lives, and explores what acts of dissent against this new status quo can realistically achieve. Additional reading: Oren Ziv’s Archive at +972 The calculated erasure of Ras Ein Al-Auja At settlers’ bidding, Israel arrests prominent Palestinian activist Israeli army, settlers unite in collective punishment of Al-Mughayyir With West Bank annexation in the air, settlers revel in their impunity Follow +972 Magazine: 972mag.com Instagram, Facebook, and X Support +972 Magazine: Become a Member Sign up for our newsletters Theme music by Ghassan Birumi Support the show
January 22 · 50 min
'Israel is using organized crime to control Palestinian citizens'
As violent organized crime and police violence reshape everyday life in Palestinian communities in Israel, and as another election approaches, MK Aida Touma-Suleiman reflects on a decade inside the Knesset –– and on the moment she decided she could no longer stay. In a conversation about feminist leadership, political exhaustion, and the limits of trying to fight from within the Israeli system built to exclude Palestinians, Touma-Suleiman leaves us to ask: where can the struggle move when institutional politics can’t deliver justice? Additional reading: Israel is ‘restoring governance’ to the Negev — by terrorizing Palestinians In Nazareth, holiday festivities mask a ‘deep rot’ Follow +972 Magazine: 972mag.com Instagram, Facebook, and X Support +972 Magazine: Become a Member Sign up for our newsletters Theme music by Ghassan Birumi Support the show
January 8 · 50 min
Marwan Barghouti's long walk to Palestine's freedom
Over 9,000 Palestinians are currently being held in Israeli prisons and military detention centers. While the majority of their names will be unfamiliar to most, the name of one Palestinian prisoner stands out above all others: Marwan Barghouti. Decades behind bars haven’t dimmed his influence—thanks, in part, to his family’s tireless advocacy. His son Arab Barghouti shares how Marwan’s life embodies both the ordinary struggles of countless Palestinians and the extraordinary impact of one man’s unwavering vision for his people. Follow +972 Magazine: 972mag.com Instagram, Facebook, and X Support +972 Magazine: Become a Member Sign up for our newsletters Theme music by Ghassan Birumi Support the show
Dec 18, 2025 · 42 min
Who's afraid of Palestinian Christianity?
This time of year, Palestinian Christians are often invoked in media and political discourse as emblems of faith, coexistence, and hope, while the political conditions shaping their lives — including military occupation, genocide, and forced displacement — are ignored. Palestinian theologian and lecturer John Munayer sheds light on the Palestinian Christian experience, from Israeli efforts to separate them from the Arab and Palestinian national movements, to the role of Christian leadership and institutions in legitimizing their subjugation. Arguing that religion and politics cannot be disentangled, he explains why Palestinian liberation theology offers not only a framework for resistance but a challenge to the colonial, Zionist assumptions embedded in Western Christian thought. Right now, your donation is worth up to 12 times more. As part of our end-of-year campaign, a generous donor is multiplying each new +972 membership by 12 and doubling every one-time donation. If you believe in our fight to end impunity and ensure justice for all between the river and the sea, now is your chance to act. Join the +972 family. Make a donation. Make a difference. Additional reading: Sheltering in churches, Gaza’s Christians face another Christmas under fire Palestinian Christians do not tolerate life under occupation Follow +972 Magazine: 972mag.com Instagram, Facebook, and X Support +972 Magazine: Become a Member Sign up for our newsletters Theme music by Ghassan Birumi Support the show
Dec 4, 2025 · 42 min
Uncovering the inner workings of an AI genocide
Investigative journalist Yuval Abraham takes us inside his reporting on the systems driving Israel’s mass killing in Gaza over the past two years. He discusses the core challenges and ethical dilemmas of uncovering state-backed atrocities, and why the stories revealed so far are just the tip of the iceberg. Abraham highlights the need to hold powerful institutions, like Israel’s military accountable rather than focusing only on individual perpetrators, offering a deeper look at the mechanisms that produce and conceal systemic violence. Additional reading: Yuval Abraham’s archive at +972 Follow +972 Magazine: 972mag.com Instagram, Facebook, and X Support +972 Magazine: Become a Member Right now, your donation is worth up to 12 times more. As part of our end-of-year campaign, a generous donor is multiplying each new +972 membership by 12 and doubling every one-time donation. If you believe in our fight to end impunity and ensure justice for all between the river and the sea, now is your chance to act. Join the +972 family. Make a donation. Make a difference. Theme music by Ghassan Birumi Support the show
Nov 21, 2025 · 50 min
Israel emptied half of Gaza. What’s next?
Over a month into the ceasefire, Gaza’s future remains in the hands of Western powers — with Palestinians largely excluded. Gazan political analyst Muhammad Shehada provides an in-depth look at the diplomatic and geopolitical strategies at play, the ongoing realities of displacement and deprivation inside the Strip, and what this moment might mean for Palestinians’ political horizons. Additional Reading: Muhammad Shehada’s archive at +972 What’s behind Israel’s new plan to divide Gaza in two Follow +972 Magazine: 972mag.com Instagram, Facebook, and X Support +972 Magazine: Become a Member Sign up for our newsletters Theme music by Ghassan Birumi Support the show
Nov 6, 2025 · 39 min
What happened to the Palestinian popular struggle?
In the occupied West Bank today, life looks completely different than it did just two years ago — with unprecedented levels of state-backed settler violence, arbitrary arrests, new road closures, and mounting economic pressure. But resistance, too, is changing. Veteran activist Munther Amira connects this moment to earlier chapters of the Palestinian struggle and reflects on what it means to keep resisting when survival itself has become the fight. Additional Reading: From the Cemetery of the Living: A Plea for the Rights of Palestinian Detainees ‘They intended to kill us’: Masafer Yatta reels from bloody settler assaults My father was jailed for believing Palestine must be free Follow +972 Magazine: 972mag.com Instagram, Facebook, and X Support +972 Magazine: Become a Member Sign up for our newsletters Theme music by Ghassan Birumi Support the show

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