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Say Less, Say More

ReZsaun Lewis, Xavien Jackson, and Michael Wilson

Say Less, Say More is where three military veterans sit down to cut through the noise and dive deeper into the things that matter most. From current events and trending stories to music, sports, relationships, and mental health, the conversation is always real, unfiltered, and grounded in lived experience.

With humor, perspective, and a no-nonsense approach, our hosts tackle the headlines and the everyday struggles, reminding you that sometimes less talk means more meaning. Whether you’re here for insight, laughs, or a sense of community, this is the space where veterans’ voices meet the conversations shaping today.

Join us every week as we say less… and mean more.

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  • #38
    August 22 · 2 hr 2 min

    Where Do I Belong?

    Have we officially peaked as a society when it comes to creativity? This week on Say Less, Say More, the crew dives into music, movies, television, art, culture, the internet, and sports to ask one big question: Are we running out of original ideas? From remakes, reboots, sequels, samples and nostalgia-driven entertainment to algorithms and corporations playing it safe, we debate whether today's creative landscape can still produce the timeless moments of previous generations — or whether we're simply romanticizing the past. Then we get into a major culture conversation: Are all Black Americans actually "African American"? We discuss race, ethnicity, nationality, cultural identity, terminology and what the label means for Black Americans whose families have been in the United States for generations. We also tackle the unique challenges of raising mixed-race children — including identity, hair, appearance, colorism, cultural exposure, family acceptance, code-switching and what it means to navigate being "not Black enough" or "not white enough." The internet is talking, and we're talking about it too. Why don't people dance anymore? Have sections, phones, social media and the pressure to look cool killed the dance floor? Are we experiencing nightlife anymore, or are we just documenting it? And then it's Joe vs. Donell Jones Verzuz. Who has the bigger catalog? Who has the better records? Who aged better? Who has the most "OH SH*T!" songs? And what does this matchup say about the state of R&B — and the argument that music may have already peaked? Plus: 🔥 What Does 2-5 Hate This Week? 🎬 Jack's Hot Take: Spider-Man hits $2 billion and what you need to watch before Avengers: Doomsday 🏀 Say Less Sports 🏈 Is NFL preseason becoming pointless? 🏈 College football is almost back — what are we most excited to see? 🎙️ Crew Check-In, group banter, hot takes and plenty more. This is another episode of Say Less, Say More — where we say less about nothing and WAY more about everything. Listen. Watch. Subscribe. Follow. And tell us what YOU think.

  • #37
    August 15 · 1 hr 58 min

    Same Rules Different Treatment

    The crew is back with another episode of Say Less, Say More, and this week we’re asking a question that might be uncomfortable because the answer could be… yes. We start with the WNBA and the heated conversation surrounding DiJonai Carrington and Sophie Cunningham, including Carrington’s comments about white privilege, the way Black and white players are treated by fans and media, and how race and culture continue to shape the WNBA conversation. We also get into the larger transgender debate and ask whether the WNBA has become one of America’s newest culture-war battlegrounds. Then we take a look at bottom-feeder culture and the internet’s obsession with rage bait, crash-out culture, dysfunction and controversy. Are the worst people becoming the biggest cultural influencers because the algorithm rewards bad behavior—or are creators simply giving audiences what they want? And then there’s Drake. Is Drake one of the greatest rappers ever while simultaneously being one of the lamest people to ever be that good at rap? From the 20-v-1 stream to the latest controversies, we discuss Drake’s legacy, authenticity, Kendrick Lamar’s impact on his public perception, the beef that refuses to die, and whether success has protected Drake from criticism. We also talk about Dalton and Sako, influencer relationships becoming public content, and whether audiences are entitled to explanations when something appears to go wrong. Plus, ReZ brings the relationship conversation home with RelationTips, exploring the difference between sharing your relationship and giving the internet access to it. We also discuss the College Football Coaches Poll and whether the NBA got Christmas Day right. Add in Radical Jack’s movie reviews, Christopher Nolan and the future of original movies, quick hits, internet foolishness and plenty of arguments along the way. This is Say Less, Say More. Check out more Two-Five on Sports Reports as Ordered, live on Tuesdays and Fridays at 845 ET. The Pursuit of Forever will be back soon.

  • #36
    August 11 · 2 hr 1 min

    Durags and Bonnets

    The trio you never knew you needed is back! 2-5, ReZ, and Radical Jack are back with another episode of Say Less, Say More — and this week, the conversation goes everywhere. We’re talking Black professionalism, accountability, Black excellence, sports, wrestling, culture, relationships, social media, and some seriously questionable opinions. 🔥 This Episode: Black People & Professionalism — What happens when accountability, workplace expectations, and cultural identity collide? We break down the conversation surrounding a Black business owner, a teenage employee, and the challenges of trying to help someone while still expecting them to follow the rules. Then we get into the controversy surrounding Tuskegee University's classroom rules, including its restrictions on durags, bonnets, sleepwear, and cell phones. Is this about professionalism and preparation—or are we putting unrealistic expectations on ourselves in the name of “Black excellence”? Does every woman have an inevitable wall she can't clear? 🎭 Culture — We discuss the inevitable wall we all eventually run into, plus the anniversary of the Montgomery Brawl. 🎙️ What Happened This Week ? “Marriage is for broke people” and the question nobody wants to answer: Should undesirable people just STFU? 🔥 What Does 2-5 Hate This Week? 🎬 Jack's Hot Take — Spider-Man 4 is the new king of the MCU! ⚡ Quick Hits — Stop comparing your journey to somebody else's. Run your race, stay in your lane, and remember that somebody else's timeline isn't your timeline. 🏈 Say Less Sports — Jack gives Russell Westbrook his flowers, but are there some opposite views? And, as always, expect plenty of debate, jokes, disagreements, hot takes, and conversations that probably should've stayed in the parking lot. We're just three guys with three different perspectives, trying to bring a different way of thinking to the conversation. Open dialogue expands intelligence. Say less… pause Say more. 🏈 JOIN THE SAY LESS, SAY MORE NFL PICK'EM! Think you know football? Prove it. Join the Say Less Say More NFL Pick'Em, compete against the SLSM crew all season, and you could win a prize and get a shout-out on the podcast! FREE TO PLAY!

  • #35
    July 29 · 2 hr 7 min

    Episode 35 – AI, LeBron, Future, The Odyssey & More

    This week on Say Less, Say More, the crew is back with another wide-ranging conversation covering technology, sports, music, relationships, and the headlines everyone is talking about. We kick things off with a deep dive into artificial intelligence. Is AI making life better, or are we moving too fast? We discuss how AI is changing everyday life, whether the future is something to embrace or fear, and where we think technology is headed. In Say Less Sports, we react to the debate surrounding the Top 50 NBA Dunkers, discuss why the endless Kobe vs. everyone conversations may finally need to end, and ask whether the NBA should ever adjust its schedule to accommodate LeBron James. The crew also catches up on the latest happenings from WWE Raw and SmackDown, highlighting standout moments and what's next in professional wrestling. In our culture segment, we discuss Future's latest No. 1 album and whether it's time to stop using chart-topping albums as the ultimate measure of an artist's legacy. We also debate whether 50 Cent can achieve a Jay-Z-level business legacy and why people who have never been married often have the loudest opinions about marriage. We recap the latest conversations from The Joe Budden Podcast, including why people need to take better care of their vehicles, before diving into fan-favorite segments like What Does 2-5 Hate This Week?, Jack's Hot Take featuring The Odyssey, rapid-fire discussions on estate planning, food safety, and trending news, and ReZ's Relationship Tip of the Week, encouraging couples to stop trying to be so "cool" and simply enjoy each other. If you're looking for honest opinions, laughs, sports debates, and unfiltered conversations, you've come to the right place. Say Less… Say More.

  • #34
    July 28 · 1 hr 52 min

    Episode 34 – Are Double Standards Real? LeBron's Future, Caitlin Clark, WWE, Jay-Z & More

    Episode 34 – Are Double Standards Real? LeBron's Future, Caitlin Clark, WWE, Jay-Z & More This week on Say Less, Say More, the crew is back with another unfiltered conversation covering relationships, sports, culture, and everything in between. We kick things off by asking a question that always sparks debate: Are the rules different when it comes to interracial dating for men and women? We discuss the double standards, family expectations, celebrity influence, social media's role, and whether dating preferences are truly personal—or shaped by society. Next, we tackle how social media is changing accountability. Has everyone become the hero of their own story? Are apologies genuine anymore, or just performative? We break down why accountability seems harder to find in today's online culture. In Say Less Sports, we dive into the latest speculation surrounding LeBron James' future and debate whether another championship would change his legacy. We also discuss the growing conversation around Caitlin Clark, physical play in the WNBA, and whether the criticism she's receiving is fair. The crew also reviews the latest WWE Raw and SmackDown, discussing the week's biggest moments, the best and worst booking decisions, and whether it's finally time for a new generation to take over. In our culture segment, we talk about Jay-Z's legendary Yankee Stadium appearance, his lasting impact on hip-hop, and whether anyone today carries the same level of influence. We also discuss Dame Dash's latest comments and ask whether honesty loses value when it's driven by bitterness. We wrap up with a recap of a thought-provoking discussion from The Joe Budden Podcast about success, hometown loyalty, and whether it's possible to outgrow where you came from. Plus, fan-favorite segments like What Does 2-5 Hate This Week?, Jack's Hot Take, Rapid Fire, and ReZ's RelationTip of the Week round out another entertaining episode. As always, we're just three guys with different perspectives having honest conversations. Tune in, join the discussion, and remember… Say Less… Say More.

  • #29
    May 7 · 1 hr 41 min

    Trauma Dumping

    The guys are up to some late night shenanigans. Meg the Stallion and Klay Thompson set the world and Jack on fire. (03:03) Are the Celtics broken and what in the Hawk? (25:31) No one needs anything the way Jacob Fatu needs anything! (41:25) Welcome to the Iyo Sky burial, and who will answer Oba Femi's Open Challenge? (48:05) Are you giving up your phone password? (53:48) Do all women need a hoe phase? (59:43) Rez woke up with stereotypes on his mind. (1:15:18) What is your go to sauce? (1:25:55) Do you prefer binge watching or weekly releases? (1:31:51) Plus more!

  • #28
    May 5 · 2 hr 4 min

    Michael featuring Digga

    The crew is joined by Digga Jones of the Trouble Makerz Podcast, and things start off intense as they break down the Michael Jackson biopic. How'd your team do in the NFL Draft? (40:10) Shoutout to Jaden McDaniels, the Nuggets really don't play defense, KD the non-leader and more from the NBA Playoffs. (45:06) Kairi Sane is gone (1:05:18), Jacob Fatu is here (1:09:15) and more from the world of the WWE. Do you feel any connection to Africa? (1:10:42) Should we aim to leave the hood behind? (1:20:06) Drake has a release date for his Iceman album. (1:34:37) Can good box keep a man out of jail? (1:54:12) Don't be a POS! (1:58:20) What is Jack's movie of the week? Stop telling young people "they had to be there." (2:00:45) How do you react if someone speaks to your lady?(2:04:10) And oooohhh Jada Pinkett Smith! (2:12:45) Are you still listening to R. Kelly? (2:24:56) Plus More!

  • #27
    April 21 · 52 min

    WrestleMania Night 2 Reaction

    The winner and newwwww.... the Tribal Chief defeats CM Punk! Have we truly seen the last of Brock Lesnar? Two-Five has an idea. So, Jade Cargill can actually wrestle? Plus more!

  • #26
    April 19 · 32 min

    WrestleMania Night 1

    The guys react to last night's show. Did WrestleMania deliver? What were their favorite/least favorite matches and then close out with predictions for Night 2!

  • #25
    April 16 · 2 hr 20 min

    Exit Stage: West

    What kind of intelligent are you? (09:15) Is Lebron's complaints about Memphis the lead to something bigger? (25:45) Congrats to the Michigan Wolverines! (39:02) The NBA Playoffs are coming up. (43:59) CM Punk channels his inner Black Mirror and pipe bombs and everybody got it! (58:07) What does WWE have to do to get you excited for WrestleMania? (1:04:37) Jack brings in a fan request question! How do you feel when you fumble a good girl? (1:16:42) Speaking of fumbles, Kanye West! What can black people learn from it? (1:33:46) Don't boo Jay Electronica! (1:47:23) No more Joe Buddenless pods, please! (1:25:27) What does Two-Five hate this week? (1:54:33) Jack breaks down The Drama. (1:59:57) Who is the guys NBA MVP? (201:45) Geno vs Dawn? (2:07:22) Trick Daddy don't have no clean edits! (214:00) You can find more Two-Five on the Sports Reports as Ordered podcast and on chopchat.com (Michael Wilson). You can find more from El Rezidente on the Pursuit of Forever podcast. Where ever you get your podcasts and YouTube!

  • #24
    April 14 · 1 hr 55 min

    Know When to Shutup

    Is your internet your image, or is your image the internet? (05:30) Ayesha Curry plays some cleanup. (17:24) Michael Jordan is looking up at Kevin Durant on the all-time scoring list. (21:28) Does Boston have OKC's kryptonite and more in sports? (32:38) Two-Five does not hate Jey Uso after all? (43:49) Will we see the Rock at Wrestlemania and more around the WWE? (51:47) Is racism a thing in the military? (1:03:04) Is it time for J. Cole to go back into hiding. (1:09:30) Rez the Hovenger springs into action. What did the guys think of Jay-Z's interview and why does Joe Budden stifle his cast? (1:16:22) Two-Five hates the hood! (1:47:30) Jack wants grown men to stop being passive/aggressive. (1:51:07) You can find more Two-Five on the Sports Reports as Ordered podcast and on chopchat.com (Michael Wilson). You can find more from El Rezidente on the Pursuit of Forever podcast. Where ever you get your podcasts and YouTube!

  • #23
    April 13 · 2 hr 9 min

    I Agree with Jack

    After the check-in, did the Oscars get it right? (06:28) Two-Five warned people about the Madness! (24:25) NBA Expansion is here, are you here for it? (32:55) NFL players getting smacked down in 4K! (42:00) Roman Reigns' response to CM Punk was? (45:25) Rhea Ripley and Jade Cargill really don't like one another. (54:31) Oba Femi put Brock on his back! (1:00:42) Have you matured out of your music? (1:05:00) Ray-J wants to do what and what happened with Usher and Justin Beiber? (1:20:13) Two-Five is not giving up his Black Card? (1:30:22) What the hell is a red pill and manosphere and another edition of would you rather? (1:37:00) Have the guys seen the Godfather? (1:41:35) Would you confront your friend for doing shady business. (1:48:55) Is it okay to tell another woman she looks nice? (1:56:44) You can find more Two-Five on the Sports Reports as Ordered podcast and on chopchat.com (Michael Wilson). You can find more from El Rezidente on the Pursuit of Forever podcast. Where ever you get your podcasts and YouTube!

  • #22
    March 18 · 2 hr 23 min

    Stan Mode

    Are you "that" parent when your kids are playing sports? (06:18) Bam Adebayo makes history! (23:00) Then Jack defends the honor of Kobe Bryant. (28:50) Randy Orton snaps on Cody Rhodes and Two-Five assigns a streak to Roman Reigns. (49:20) The guys are tired of culture vultures. (100:41) Can the guys get it done? (1:11:00) This question really gets Two-Five going! (1:21:45) Jack has a list! What are the top 25 black movies of the 1990s? (1:25:43) Cancel, cancel culture! (1:56:46)

  • March 17 · 2 hr 22 min

    Episode 21 - Classics and Disappointments

    What makes a friendship and what do you value in a friendship? (07:20) What teams could give the Oklahoma City Thunder trouble in the NBA Playoffs? (18:32) Why has Kevin Durant disappointed Two-Five? (28:40) Is Jade Cargill and Rhea Rhipley the feud no one wants? Does the WWE need Roman Reigns and more from the world of wrestling? (36:00) Is Magic City Night, that bad of a concept? (58:27) CyHi is back and he wants war! (1:09:31) What rapper has the most classic albums, and who doesn't? (1:19:20) The guys chat about Ayisha Diaz. (1:42:10) Two-Five lets out the hate in his heart. (1:54:22) Jack joins in on the hate! (1:57:20) Rez aims at 50 Cent! (1:58:42) Jack is a certified member of the Beehive! (2:01:25) The Democrat War in Texas was televised. (2:06:30) You can find more Two-Five on the Sports Reports as Ordered podcast and on chopchat.com (Michael Wilson). You can find more from RezSaun Lewis on the Pursuit of Forever podcast. Where ever you get your podcasts!

  • #20
    March 11 · 1 hr 52 min

    Beautiful People

    On this episode, after the check the guys dive into the bombs over Tehran. (05:51) What are the rules for you to lend money? (12:13) Claressa Shields dominates again. (22:48) Boxing's advertising is so awful! Is Floyd Mayweather actually broke? (29:50) Are the Bears really moving? (33:13) We have WrestleMania figured out and Rez discovers the Shield! (42:25) Cyhi wants all the smoke with Jermaine Cole and 50 Cent bit off more than he can chew. (56:10) Should lyrics be used in court against rappers and BAFTA reaction? (1:07:27) What word does Two-Five hate? (1:19:30) Jack takes us back to the vault. (1:25:13) Jack doesn't live in facts? (1:27:25) What is Chris Brown's defining song/album? (1:29:53) You can find more Two-Five on the Sports Reports as Ordered podcast and on chopchat.com (Michael Wilson). You can find more from RezSaun Lewis on the Pursuit of Forever podcast. Where ever you get your podcasts!

  • #19
    March 2 · 1 hr 9 min

    Episode 19: Human-Sized Women

    After checking in, what does it take to prepare your children for college? (06:38) What were the guy's reactions to the NBA All Star Weekend? Did they get it right, what ideas could make it better? (19:34) Has Jade Cargill been a disappointment as champion and Kevin Nash takes back his apology in the Week in Wrestling? What is Palentines Day, what are we doing? (44:29) Two-Five hates it, but he also hates men who can't control themselves online. (48:43) Jack goes back in the vault for a movie suggestion. (51:38) Stephen A for President? (56:37) You can find more Two-Five on the Sports Reports as Ordered podcast and on chopchat.com (Michael Wilson). You can find more from RezSaun Lewis on the Pursuit of Forever podcast. Where ever you get your podcasts!

  • #18
    February 16 · 2 hr 18 min

    Episode 18: The Let Out

    Is Say Less, Say More a Red Pill Podcast? (04:00) Roger Craig finally makes the Hall of Fame and reaction to the latest class and a few of the NFL Awards. (36:07) Roman Reigns took it there with CM Punk and more from around the WWE. (1:06:10) J. Cole finally dropped the Fall Off, did it meet or surpass expectations? (1:19:15) Should women still take their husband's last name? (1:42:06) Why do drive-thrus bother Two-Five? (1:57:45) Jack gives his weekly movie selection. (2:01:00) Trump did what? (2:07:08)

  • #17
    February 15 · 1 hr 45 min

    Episode 17: Black History Month

    Is it too soon for a throwback episode? Is Black History Month still relevant? (04:33) The Seahawks and the Patriots match up. (20:33) The Trade Deadline is here. (30:38) Are you excited for the NBA All Star Game? (34:57) Shakur Stevenson makes a statement. (38:55) the guys react to the Royal Rumble. (46:05) More reaction with a Grammy rundown. (1:01:20) What does Two-Five hate this week? It might be you... (1:10:12) Jack offers his movie suggestion from the past. (1:13:30) At this point damn near everyone is in the Epstein Files. (1:21:20) Rez loves love, so here's another relationtip! (1:38:02) You can find more Two-Five on the Sports Reports as Ordered podcast and on chopchat.com (Michael Wilson). You can find more from El Rezidente on the Pursuit of Forever podcast. Where ever you get your podcasts and YouTube!

  • #16
    February 6 · 2 hr 31 min

    Episode 16: Christian Values

    It's the Sweet 16 episode and it may be the most explosive yet! Radical Jack has a new job and Two-Five goes to the... opera? What kind of drinks should men not drink? (07:08) Who the hell decided not to let Bill Belichick into the Hall of Fame? (16:55) The Steelers find Mike Tomlin's replacement, and what have the Browns done? (23:04) Coach Prime is fining the kids? (34:04) Becky Lynch was actually entertaining and CM Punk may have had the slowest match in WWE history, plus more from the WWE. (40:00) Has society gone too far left? (56:40) Joe Budden asks a question about the lack of Hip Hop response to ICE and Two-Five wants to know what the guys expect from their celebrities. (1:12:07) Sebastian Telfair talks about losing his money and it doesn't pass the sniff test. (1:19:55) What does Two-Five hate this week, and Jack follows up with some bars. (1:31:54) The Eagles have a new Offensive Coordinator (1:39:40) Ilhan Omar gets ran up on. (1:43:04) Rez's Relationtip gets the guys up and arms. (2:02:49) You can find more Two-Five on the Sports Reports as Ordered podcast and on chopchat.com (Michael Wilson). You can find more from El Rezidente on the Pursuit of Forever podcast. Where ever you get your podcasts!

  • #15
    January 27 · 1 hr 35 min

    Episode 15: Greenland

    After this week's check-in, why are people discarding each other due to political differences? Two-five finds the entertainment in our president. (04:57) The guys have a spirted argument about the Buffalo Bills firing of Sean McDermott. (21:01) Some new coaches have been hired. (34:00) We have a national champion! (36:22) Is Lebron James unappreciative? (38:38) This week in the WWE and who are the prettiest women wrestlers? (46:22) This Week in the Joe Budden Podcast, do you pick your friends based on their status? (1:00:03) Don't call Two-Five articulate! (1:15:03) Radical Jack gives his latest movie suggestion. (1:24:03) You can find more Two-Five on the Sports Reports as Ordered Podcast and on chopchat.com (Michael Wilson). You can find more from ReZsaun on the Pursuit of Forever Podcast.

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