

A Reunion Chat on Free Birth, Influence & Informed Choice with Chloe Pacey
In this instalment of the Birth Series, Keshia sits down with her longtime podcasting partner and friend Chloe Pacey for a wide-ranging, unfiltered reunion conversation. Sparked by the recent Guardian investigation into Free Birth Society and figures like Emily Saldaya and Yolanda Norris-Clark, the pair dig into the messy middle ground between free birth advocacy and mainstream maternity care — where both women land after years of birthing, researching, and living rurally with young families. Topics range from the psychology of influencer culture and echo chambers, to stillbirth statistics and how to interpret them responsibly, to the training (or lack thereof) behind "radical birthkeeper" courses, to proposed legislation restricting who can attend a birth. Along the way: reflections on friendship in different seasons of motherhood, and a fair amount of unfiltered, expletive-laden honesty. This episode doesn't land on a verdict. It's an invitation to sit with the nuance — and to think critically about who you're trusting with information during one of the most vulnerable windows of your life. This Episode Is Supported By INBLUEM Skincare Pure, plant-based skincare made in Byron Bay — no toxins, no fillers, no fuss. In Bloom is offering Return to Wisdom listeners a discount. 👉 Use code RETURNTOWISDOMPODCAST at inbluem.com Kim Anami Holistic sex and relationship coaching for reconnecting with your body and your partner. Link https://kimanami.ontraport.com/t?orid=511555&opid=36 to register for courses— using it also supports the podcast. This Episode is brought to you by Superfeast Enjoy 10% off your order with the code RETURNTOWISDOM https://www.superfeast.com.au/ Key Topics Discussed Digesting the Guardian's Free Birth Society investigation — how the story reads differently pregnant vs. postpartum, and what felt fair vs. sensationalised in the reporting Radical responsibility — what it really means to opt out of the medical system, and where the accountability sits when outcomes go wrong Reading the stillbirth statistics — trying to contextualise the numbers cited in the investigation against broader hospital-birth stillbirth rates, and why the data gaps make real comparison difficult The "claiming life" moment — unpacking one of the most controversial passages from the reporting, and how instinct (human and animal) shows up differently when someone is alone versus supported Influencer culture and epistemic humility — how to tell the difference between someone sharing lived experience and someone qualified to teach a skill, using a personal-trainer analogy to make the point Radical birthkeeper and doula training programs — what these courses do and don't prepare people for, and the gap between "holding space" and clinical emergency response Language and framing — how phrases like "I've never seen a hemorrhage in 17 years" shape a listener's sense of safety, whether or not that's the intent Free birth as "trend" — distinguishing women who arrive at free birth through deep research and genuine risk tolerance from those swept up by algorithmic pressure and social proof Scans, shame, and the pressure to prove trust in your body — the social dynamics around choosing (or skipping) ultrasounds in certain birth-culture circles Proposed regulatory changes — the RANZCOG/Australian College of Midwives statement calling for legislation modelled on South Australia's Restricted Birthing Practices laws, and reports of child-protection involvement in some free birth cases there What a better middle ground could look like — informed, individualised risk assessment with a trusted care provider, regardless of setting A Note on This Episode This series doesn't offer a definitive verdict on free birth — it's designed to be sat with, questioned, and weighed against your own circumstances. As always, nothing in this episode constitutes medical advice. If you're navigating a birth decision, please seek guidance from a qualified healthcare provider you trust. If this episode resonated, the biggest support you can offer is sharing it or leaving a review — that's how these conversations reach the people who need them. Music Licence: MB01FCNMYPSU3WD


















