Relai Bitcoin Podcast

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In the Relai Bitcoin Podcast we discuss the latest trends and developments in the world of Bitcoin. Relai CEO Julian Liniger interviews leading Bitcoin experts to answer some of the industry’s most pressing questions with the aim to educate listers about the world’s leading digital currency. Suchst du den Podcast auf Deutsch? Klick hier: https://relai.app/de/podcast/

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October 7 · 50 min
Why Bitcoin Is Mispriced with Richard Byworth | Relai Bitcoin Podcast #132
Richard Byworth is the managing partner at BYZ Partners, a board member at Relai (full disclosure), has worked in the financial services industry for over two decades, and is one of the most active Bitcoin educators or media representatives out there. In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Richard talks about his past in the financial world, how he got so hooked on Bitcoin, how he sees the recent price development, the impact sovereign debt will have, and what to expect in 2027. You can follow Richard on X: https://x.com/RichardByworth — ⏱ Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 01:45 - Richard’s background in TradFi 04:55 - Bitcoin’s sudden price rebound 09:41 - Seller exhaustion and what’s next 16:47 - The U.S. bond market situation 21:23 - Bitcoin-backed products in the wild 28:51 - Is this price rally healthy and sustainable? 33:11 - Strategy’s cash reserves and Bitcoin strategy 37:33 - Why Bitcoin investors need a cash reserve 42:23 - Bitcoin as money and working capital 46:20 - Richard’s Bitcoin position in the portfolio 48:32 - Outro — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? 🎧Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 🎧Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- 🎓 Get Smarter About Bitcoin: 🧠 Free Bitcoin Mini‑Course: https://relai.app/21-bitcoin-basics/ 📥 Free Weekly Bitcoin Newsletter: https://relai.app/newsletter 👀 Need help? Send us a message: https://support.relai.app/en/ Connect with us: Instagram: https://instagram.com/relai.app Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/relai_app LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/relai Disclaimer: Relai EU SASU holds an authorisation as a crypto-asset service provider under the MiCA Regulation, granted by the French financial markets authority AMF, and serves clients in the European Union on that basis. Clients resident in Switzerland and Liechtenstein are served by Relai AG, which is affiliated as a financial intermediary with the VQF, a self-regulatory organisation recognised by FINMA under the Anti-Money Laundering Act. Bitcoin #Finance #Investing #RelaiApp #SwissBitcoin #StackSats #21BitcoinBasics #BitcoinEducation
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September 23 · 45 min
Bitcoin Is Growing Rapidly in the Nordics, Sander Andersen | Relai Bitcoin Podcast #130
Sander Andersen is the Executive Chairman and Co-Founder of H100 Group, the largest European bitcoin treasury company. They recently went through a series of mergers and acquisitions, bringing their total BTC holdings to 3,506 on the balance sheet. In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Sander talks about his journey into Bitcoin, why he decided to co-found the H100 Group, why family offices should be orange-pilled, and where he sees Bitcoin heading in Europe. You can follow Sander on X: https://x.com/Sanderandersenn And visit H100 Group’s website here: https://www.h100.group/ — ⏱ Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 06:03 - Family offices and Bitcoin adoption 11:10 - Bitcoin, neutrality, and generational wealth 16:00 - Why Bitcoin needs financialization 21:05 - From self-custody to Bitcoin equity 26:08 - H100’s transformation into a Bitcoin treasury company 30:55 - Bitcoin-for-Bitcoin acquisitions and deal-making 36:20 - Earning more Bitcoin per share 41:05 - The future of Bitcoin treasury companies in Europe 44:25 - Sander’s personal Bitcoin allocation and closing thoughts — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? 🎧Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 🎧Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- 🎓 Get Smarter About Bitcoin: 🧠 Free Bitcoin Mini‑Course: https://relai.app/21-bitcoin-basics/ 📥 Free Weekly Bitcoin Newsletter: https://relai.app/newsletter 👀 Need help? Send us a message: https://support.relai.app/en/ Connect with us: Instagram: https://instagram.com/relai.app Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/relai_app LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/relai Disclaimer: Relai EU SASU holds an authorisation as a crypto-asset service provider under the MiCA Regulation, granted by the French financial markets authority AMF, and serves clients in the European Union on that basis. Clients resident in Switzerland and Liechtenstein are served by Relai AG, which is affiliated as a financial intermediary with the VQF, a self-regulatory organisation recognised by FINMA under the Anti-Money Laundering Act. Bitcoin #Finance #Investing #RelaiApp #SwissBitcoin #StackSats #21BitcoinBasics #BitcoinEducation
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July 15 · 49 min
The Current State of the Bitcoin Community, With Robin Seyr | Relai Bitcoin Podcast #127
Robin Seyr is the host of the Robin Seyr show and one of the hardest-working Bitcoin creators in the space. He is on the brink of reaching 900 episodes on this podcast and will eventually even hit 1,000 episodes later this year. In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Robin talks about his podcast growth, why he decided to double down on English content as a German native speaker. Where he sees the community is heading and what all the fuss is about with Strategy. You can follow Robin on X: https://x.com/RobinSeyr — ⏱ Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 02:53 - Why Robin built in English instead of German 11:47 - Entrepreneurial journey and first monetization 16:53 - Meeting Michael Saylor and setting up the main topic 19:32 - Robin's view on Strategy, Bitcoin, and the treasury model 33:38 - Is Strategy in trouble, or following the plan? 35:59 - Common equity Bitcoin exposure and why Robin isn't worried 43:27 - Bitcoin in self-custody vs. Strategy vs. Stretch 45:10 - Closing thoughts on scale and Bitcoin's role 48:55 - Outro — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? 🎧Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 🎧Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- 🎓 Get Smarter About Bitcoin: 🧠 Free Bitcoin Mini‑Course: https://relai.app/21-bitcoin-basics/ 📥 Free Weekly Bitcoin Newsletter: https://relai.app/newsletter 👀 Need help? Send us a message: https://support.relai.app/en/ Connect with us: Instagram: https://instagram.com/relai.app Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/relai_app LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/relai Disclaimer: Relai is authorized to provide crypto-asset services in Switzerland and across the European Union under the MiCA regulatory framework. The company is actively expanding its services to EU member states following the completion of passporting notifications. Bitcoin #Finance #Investing #RelaiApp #SwissBitcoin #StackSats #21BitcoinBasics #BitcoinEducation
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June 22 · 1 hr 9 min
Bitcoin Is the Power Source of Every Company, with Michael Salyor| Relai Bitcoin Podcast #125
Michael Saylor is the founder and chairman of Strategy, formerly MicroStrategy. He is the permanent Bitcoin bull and best known for having turned around his firm with Bitcoin into a $100 billion company. In this live conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Michael discussed his path as an entrepreneur, what he would do today to start a new company, why Bitcoin is so vital for Strategy, and what digital credit actually is. The interview was recorded at BTC Prague. Make sure to grab your tickets for next year! https://btcprague.com/ You can follow Michael on X: https://x.com/saylor — ⏱ Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 01:25 - How were the early days of Strategy? 18:03 - What would Michael do as a founder today? 35:28 - What happens to Strategy if Bitcoin goes down another 50%? 49:37 - Why did Strategy sell 32 Bitcoin? 59:49 - What would Michael say to people calling the company a systemic risk to Bitcoin? 01:09:35 - Outro — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? 🎧Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 🎧Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- 🎓 Get Smarter About Bitcoin: 🧠 Free Bitcoin Mini‑Course: https://relai.app/21-bitcoin-basics/ 📥 Free Weekly Bitcoin Newsletter: https://relai.app/newsletter 👀 Need help? Send us a message: https://support.relai.app/en/ Connect with us: Instagram: https://instagram.com/relai.app Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/relai_app LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/relai Disclaimer: Relai is authorized to provide crypto-asset services in Switzerland and across the European Union under the MiCA regulatory framework. The company is actively expanding its services to EU member states following the completion of passporting notifications. Bitcoin #Finance #Investing #RelaiApp #SwissBitcoin #StackSats #21BitcoinBasics #BitcoinEducation
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June 9 · 27 min
The Hidden Power of Bitcoin's Scarcity, with Jeff Booth | Relai Bitcoin Podcast #124
Jeff Booth is the author of “Price of Tomorrow” and one of the most well-known voices in the Bitcoin community. He’s also the Founding Partner at Ego Death Capital, a venture fund that supports Bitcoin companies. Full disclosure: Relai is a portfolio company of Ego Death Capital. In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Jeff discusses his take on the current Bitcoin market, why people, even die-hard Bitcoiners, are still pricing Bitcoin wrong, what effect the bear market has on you as an investor, and where things are going from here. You can follow Jeff on X: https://x.com/JeffBooth — ⏱ Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 00:30 - Navigating the Bitcoin bear market 08:18 - Understanding Bitcoin’s role in the financial system 16:25 - The illusion of wealth and the reality of money 24:21 - Bitcoin and the investment in the tech of the future 27:04 - Outro — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? 🎧Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 🎧Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- 🎓 Get Smarter About Bitcoin: 🧠 Free Bitcoin Mini‑Course: https://relai.app/21-bitcoin-basics/ 📥 Free Weekly Bitcoin Newsletter: https://relai.app/newsletter 👀 Need help? Send us a message: https://support.relai.app/en/ Connect with us: Instagram: https://instagram.com/relai.app Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/relai_app LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/relai Disclaimer: Relai is authorized to provide crypto-asset services in Switzerland and across the European Union under the MiCA regulatory framework. The company is actively expanding its services to EU member states following the completion of passporting notifications. Bitcoin #Finance #Investing #RelaiApp #SwissBitcoin #StackSats #21BitcoinBasics #BitcoinEducation
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May 6 · 37 min
Why Europe's Future Depends on Bitcoin Adoption and Local Innovation, with Matyáš Kuchař | Relai Bitcoin Podcast #121
Matyáš Kuchař is the co-founder of BTC Prague, Europe’s biggest Bitcoin-only conference. Relai will also be a part of the event with our own booth and speakers. Not only is it a great event to attend because of Matyáš, but it’s also the place to learn more about Bitcoin. In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Matyáš discusses his journey into Bitcoin, why he and his brother decided to launch BTC Prague, how the conference is doing 4 years in, and how the landscape surrounding Bitcoin has changed in the Czech Republic. You can follow Matyas on X: https://x.com/Matyas44Cook Book a ticket for BTC Prague and use code RELAI for 10% off: https://btcprague.com/ — ⏱ Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 03:10 - The ripple effect of Bitcoin on society 06:17 - Europe’s current state and prospects 09:13 - Decentralization and the role of entrepreneurship 12:11 - Navigating the future with Bitcoin and technology 15:12 - The Bitcoin adoption in the Czech Republic 18:13 - Why community and networking are key for Bitcoin 21:15 - Highlights of the BTC Prague conference and what to expect 27:16 - Matyáš's personal Bitcoin experience and where to go next 30:18 - Conclusion, and final thought for viewers — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? 🎧Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 🎧Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- 🎓 Get Smarter About Bitcoin: 🧠 Free Bitcoin Mini‑Course: https://relai.app/21-bitcoin-basics/ 📥 Free Weekly Bitcoin Newsletter: https://relai.app/newsletter 👀 Need help? Send us a message: https://support.relai.app/en/ Connect with us: Instagram: https://instagram.com/relai.app Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/relai_app LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/relai Disclaimer: Relai is authorized to provide crypto-asset services in Switzerland and across the European Union under the MiCA regulatory framework. The company is actively expanding its services to EU member states following the completion of passporting notifications. Bitcoin #Finance #Investing #RelaiApp #SwissBitcoin #StackSats #21BitcoinBasics #BitcoinEducation
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March 31 · 36 min
Bitcoin's Evolution: From Wild West to Institutional Adoption, with Danny Scott | Relai Bitcoin Podcast #118
Danny Scott is the co-founder of Coincorner, a prominent Bitcoin exchange from the Isle of Man with a keen focus on Lightning, and the Chief Bitcoin Officer and co-founder of B HODL, where he drives institutional Bitcoin adoption through the treasury playbook. In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Danny discusses his journey into Bitcoin, why he decided to launch Coincorner and its Lightning Network integration, the challenges he faced with it, and why he decided to co-found a Bitcoin treasury company focused on native BTC yield. You can follow Danny on X: https://x.com/CoinCornerDanny — ⏱ Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 02:21 - Regulatory developments and the Isle of Man's pioneering AML compliance 04:47 - The decline of initial experiments with multiple coins and focus on Bitcoin 07:17 - Is Bitcoin still early? Perspectives from long-term holders 08:44 - Bitcoin’s adoption as a long-term store of value versus quick gains 10:37 - Comparing Bitcoin to the Internet and telecommunications infrastructure 14:02 - The potential for nation-state interventions and protocol changes 18:19 - Upcoming challenges: forks, governance, and institutional influences 20:24 - Current market sentiment, sideways trading, and long-term buying patterns 22:57 - Insights into Bitcoin treasury strategies and market influence 26:37 - The diminishing selling pressure from long-term Bitcoin holders 33:00 - Fundamentals of Bitcoin and its resilience through volatility 35:12 - Final thoughts on driving Bitcoin adoption and future industry developments — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? 🎧Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 🎧Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- 🎓 Get Smarter About Bitcoin: 🧠 Free Bitcoin Mini‑Course: https://relai.app/21-bitcoin-basics/ 📥 Free Weekly Bitcoin Newsletter: https://relai.app/newsletter 👀 Need help? Send us a message: https://support.relai.app/en/ Connect with us: Instagram: https://instagram.com/relai.app Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/relai_app LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/relai Disclaimer: Relai is authorized to provide crypto-asset services in Switzerland and across the European Union under the MiCA regulatory framework. The company is actively expanding its services to EU member states following the completion of passporting notifications. Bitcoin #Finance #Investing #RelaiApp #SwissBitcoin #StackSats #21BitcoinBasics #BitcoinEducation
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January 27 · 1 hr
Building a Citadel Mindset Focused on Bitcoin and Personal Growth, with Brad Mills | Relai Bitcoin Podcast #114
Brad Mills is a lifelong entrepreneur focused on product development and marketing. He has been involved with bitcoin since 2011 as a miner, entrepreneur, and investor, where Relai is one of his investments. He is very active on X and constantly orange-pilling his audience. In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Brad discusses his journey into Bitcoin, his fascination with citadels, and why he decided to engage more with the community. He also goes down the rabbit hole of his health developments and why this taught him a lot about life and Bitcoin. You can follow Brad on X: https://x.com/bradmillscan — ⏱ Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 03:08 - Brad's due diligence and investment philosophy 06:15 - Personal growth and mindset shift 12:03 - Building a citadel mind and body 21:01 - Consistency and daily habits 28:42 - The journey of Brad's transformation 34:54 - Brad's battle of identities and self-reflection 41:47 - The lighthouse effect and what it teaches you 45:52 - Rethinking personal connections and relationships 49:27 - Highs and lows throughout life and Bitcoin 53:07 - Becoming the person and Bitcoiner you want to be — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? 🎧Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 🎧Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- 🎓 Get Smarter About Bitcoin: 🧠 Free Bitcoin Mini‑Course: https://relai.app/21-bitcoin-basics/ 📥 Free Weekly Bitcoin Newsletter: https://relai.app/newsletter 👀 Need help? Send us a message: https://support.relai.app/en/ Connect with us: Instagram: https://instagram.com/relai.app Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/relai_app LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/relai Disclaimer: Relai is authorized to provide crypto-asset services in Switzerland and across the European Union under the MiCA regulatory framework. The company is actively expanding its services to EU member states following the completion of passporting notifications. Bitcoin #Finance #Investing #RelaiApp #SwissBitcoin #StackSats #21BitcoinBasics #BitcoinEducation
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Dec 24, 2025 · 46 min
Exploring Bitcoin's Global Impact, with Stephan Livera | Relai Bitcoin Podcast #113
Stephan Livera is the host of the Stephan Livera Podcast and one of the most prominent Bitcoin podcasters in the space. He's also actively advising Bitcoin companies and is always a keen voice for Bitcoin debates on X. In this conversation with Relai CEO, Julian Liniger, Stephan discusses his journey into Bitcoin, why he decided to move to Dubai, how the MENA region is growing, when Bitcoin will become a medium of exchange, and how macro is influencing Bitcoin today. You can follow Stephan on X: https://x.com/stephanlivera And subscribe to his podcast here: https://stephanlivera.com/ — ⏱ Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 02:30 - Stephan's journey into Bitcoin 05:00 - Experiences in Switzerland 06:11 - Bitcoin Adoption in Japan 09:13 - Dubai, the MENA region, and Bitcoin 15:00 - The tensions between Bitcoin and TradFi 17:57 - Medium of exchange adoption 20:00 - Institutional adoption and Bitcoin 23:51 - Rebalancing Bitcoin holdings 27:30 - Market Sentiment and price fluctuations 35:13 - Macro factors influencing Bitcoin's adoption 38:40 - Current landscape of Bitcoin treasury companies 43:00 - Outlook and Stephan's Bitcoin allocation — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? 🎧Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 🎧Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- 🎓 Get Smarter About Bitcoin: 🧠 Free Bitcoin Mini‑Course: https://relai.app/21-bitcoin-basics/ 📥 Free Weekly Bitcoin Newsletter: https://relai.app/newsletter 👀 Need help? Send us a message: https://support.relai.app/en/ Connect with us: Instagram: https://instagram.com/relai.app Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/relai_app LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/relai Disclaimer: Relai is authorized to provide crypto-asset services in Switzerland and across the European Union under the MiCA regulatory framework. The company is actively expanding its services to EU member states following the completion of passporting notifications. Bitcoin #Finance #Investing #RelaiApp #SwissBitcoin #StackSats #21BitcoinBasics #BitcoinEducation
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Nov 26, 2025 · 45 min
The Renewable Bitcoin Mining Revolution, with Kent Halliburton | Relai Bitcoin Podcast #109
Kent Halliburton is the CEO and co-founder of Sazmining. He has a background in the energy sector, especially the solar industry, and, out of curiosity, was introduced to Bitcoin. These days, he's building data centers for miners worldwide and working hard to make Bitcoin available to everyone. In this conversation with Relai's Head of Communications, Joël Kai Lenz, Kent discusses his journey into Bitcoin, why he got started in the mining industry, what Sazmining stands for, how renewable energy will transform the industry, and what to expect in the future. You can follow Kent on X: https://x.com/khalliburton Visit Sazmining’s website here: https://www.sazmining.com/ — ⏱ Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 02:54 - The vision of Sazmining 05:57 - Renewable energy and mining 12:06 - Innovative ideas to use heat in mining 14:45 - Sazmining's business model and how they operate 21:05 - The community and role of Bitcoin miners in there 24:35 - Bitcoin mining model explained in simple terms 29:12 - Identifying key geographical hotspots in mining 34:03 - The future of energy sources and storage 39:02 - Innovations and future plans of Sazmining — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? 🎧Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 🎧Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- 🎓 Get Smarter About Bitcoin: 🧠 Free Bitcoin Mini‑Course: https://relai.app/21-bitcoin-basics/ 📥 Free Weekly Bitcoin Newsletter: https://relai.app/newsletter 👀 Need help? Send us a message: https://support.relai.app/en/ Connect with us: Instagram: https://instagram.com/relai.app Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/relai_app LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/relai Disclaimer: Relai is authorized to provide crypto-asset services in Switzerland and across the European Union under the MiCA regulatory framework. The company is actively expanding its services to EU member states following the completion of passporting notifications. Bitcoin #Finance #Investing #RelaiApp #SwissBitcoin #StackSats #21BitcoinBasics #BitcoinEducation
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Nov 19, 2025 · 49 min
Bitcoin Treasury Companies Deep Dive, with Patrick Heusser | Relai Bitcoin Podcast #108
Patrick Heusser is the Head of Lending at Sentora and one of the most established experts in Bitcoin in Switzerland. He has been writing about and researching digital assets for almost a decade and is keen on contributing to new financing models for the ecosystem. In this conversation with Relai's Head of Communications, Joël Kai Lenz, Patrick discusses his journey into Bitcoin, why Bitcoin treasury companies are interesting but require careful differentiation between early adopters and copycats, and how the space is expected to evolve. You can follow Patrick on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heusser/ — ⏱ Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 03:10 - The revolutionary impact of Strategy 05:56 - Financial models in Bitcoin acquisition 09:01 - The role of retail investors in Bitcoin 12:08 - The future of Bitcoin treasury companies 14:46 - Metaplanet's unique use case as a treasury company 18:05 - Emergence of new Bitcoin treasury companies 20:53 - Market dynamics and the treasury hype cycle 23:58 - The importance of MNAV in treasury evaluations 27:04 - The risk of over-hyped treasury companies 30:14 - The future of potential Bitcoin banks 36:12 - Outlook on the future in the space 47:55 - Patrick's Bitcoin position in his portfolio — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? 🎧Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 🎧Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- 🎓 Get Smarter About Bitcoin: 🧠 Free Bitcoin Mini‑Course: https://relai.app/21-bitcoin-basics/ 📥 Free Weekly Bitcoin Newsletter: https://relai.app/newsletter 👀 Need help? Send us a message: https://support.relai.app/en/ Connect with us: Instagram: https://instagram.com/relai.app Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/relai_app LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/relai Disclaimer: Relai is authorized to provide crypto-asset services in Switzerland and across the European Union under the MiCA regulatory framework. The company is actively expanding its services to EU member states following the completion of passporting notifications. Bitcoin #Finance #Investing #RelaiApp #SwissBitcoin #StackSats #21BitcoinBasics #BitcoinEducation
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Nov 12, 2025 · 45 min
Bitcoin Bonds Will Revolutionize the Financial World, with Pierre Rochard | Relai Bitcoin Podcast #107
Pierre Rochard is the CEO of the Bitcoin Bond Company and the host of the Bitcoin for Corporations podcast. He’s also one of the most vocal people out there on X about all things Bitcoin, bonds, and treasury companies. In this conversation with Relai CEO, Julian Liniger, Pierre discusses his journey into Bitcoin, what motivated him to join get into mining first and why he moved on from his role at Riot, what opportunities await us with Bitcoin bonds and why he is so bullish for the future. You can follow Pierre on X: https://x.com/BitcoinPierre And subscribe to his podcast here: https://www.youtube.com/@BitcoinForCorporations/ — ⏱ Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 03:10 - Bitcoin all-time highs and conversations about it 06:16 - Retail vs. institutional investors in Bitcoin 12:15 - Self-custody vs. institutional custody 15:08 - The impact of the spot Bitcoin ETFs 24:21 - Mining strategies and what miners think like 32:42 - Financial engineering and Bitcoin bonds 38:08 - The future of private credit and Bitcoin lending — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? 🎧Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 🎧Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- 🎓 Get Smarter About Bitcoin: 🧠 Free Bitcoin Mini‑Course: https://relai.app/21-bitcoin-basics/ 📥 Free Weekly Bitcoin Newsletter: https://relai.app/newsletter 👀 Need help? Send us a message: https://support.relai.app/en/ Connect with us: Instagram: https://instagram.com/relai.app Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/relai_app LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/relai Disclaimer: Relai is authorized to provide crypto-asset services in Switzerland and across the European Union under the MiCA regulatory framework. The company is actively expanding its services to EU member states following the completion of passporting notifications. Bitcoin #Finance #Investing #RelaiApp #SwissBitcoin #StackSats #21BitcoinBasics #BitcoinEducation
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Oct 15, 2025 · 51 min
Bitcoin Treasury Companies Are Here to Stay , with Alexandre Laizet | Relai Bitcoin Podcast #104
Alexandre Laizet is the board director of Bitcoin strategy at Capital ₿, Europe's first Bitcoin treasury company based in France. In this conversation with Relai CEO, Julian Liniger, Alexandre discusses his journey into Bitcoin, what motivated him to join the board of a Bitcoin treasury company, and how these companies will evolve in the future. You can follow Alexandre on X: https://x.com/AlexandreLaizet Or connect with him on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexandre-laizet/ — ⏱ Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 02:15 - Bitcoin’s unique value proposition 05:10 - The mechanics of Bitcoin treasury companies 10:25 - Fundraising strategies for Bitcoin treasury companies 15:10 - Risks ans opportunities in Bitcoin treasury investments 26:25 - The future of Bitcoin treasury companies 35:10 - Market dynamics and competition amongst treasury companies 41:40 - The role of Bitcoin treasury companies in private markets — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? 🎧Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 🎧Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- 🎓 Get Smarter About Bitcoin: 🧠 Free Bitcoin Mini‑Course: https://relai.app/21-bitcoin-basics/ 📥 Free Weekly Bitcoin Newsletter: https://relai.app/newsletter 👀 Need help? Send us a message: https://support.relai.app/en/ Connect with us: Instagram: https://instagram.com/relai.app Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/relai_app LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/relai Disclaimer: Relai services are exclusively recommended for Swiss and Italian residents. Bitcoin #Finance #Investing #RelaiApp #SwissBitcoin #StackSats #21BitcoinBasics #BitcoinEducation
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Aug 27, 2025 · 44 min
Why Banks Like Bitcoin Now, With Pascal Hügli | Relai Bitcoin Podcast #102
Pascal Hügli is a former journalist and currently an investment manager at Maerki Baumann. The bank is one of the leading financial institutions in Switzerland that offers exposure to Bitcoin and other digital currencies. In this conversation with Relai's Head of Communications, Joël Kai Lenz, Pascal discusses his journey into Bitcoin, why he decided to work in a bank, how whales and clients with big positions are selling BTC, why he wrote a book, and what he thinks the future holds. You can follow Pascal on X: https://x.com/pahueg Or connect with him on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pascal-huegli/ Pascal also has a great podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@lessnoisemoresignalpodcast You can buy Pascal's book here: https://www.ricardosalinas.com/en/librobitcoin — ⏱ Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 05:15 - Pascal's podcast 10:18 - Pascal's new book with Ricardo Salinas 15:10 - Bitcoin's role in banking and institutional adoption 20:19 - Market dynamics and why we see so much selling 25:16 - The impact of BlackRock and other financial institutions 26:53 - Do clients of Maerki Baumann like Bitcoin or Bitcoin ETFs more? 30:15 - The human element in Bitcoin and its community 32:36 - Fiat vs. Bitcoin: Can it co-exist for the next century? 36:45 - Bitcoin treasury companies and their impact 41:08 - The rationality of Bitcoin investments — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? 🎧Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 🎧Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- 🎓 Get Smarter About Bitcoin: 🧠 Free Bitcoin Mini‑Course: https://relai.app/21-bitcoin-basics/ 📥 Free Weekly Bitcoin Newsletter: https://relai.app/newsletter 👀 Need help? Send us a message: https://support.relai.app/en/ Connect with us: Instagram: https://instagram.com/relai.app Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/relai_app LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/relai Disclaimer: Relai services are exclusively recommended for Swiss and Italian residents. Bitcoin #Finance #Investing #RelaiApp #SwissBitcoin #StackSats #21BitcoinBasics #BitcoinEducation
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Jul 15, 2025 · 43 min
Bitcoin: Gradually, Then Suddenly With Parker Lewis | Relai Bitcoin Podcast #100
Parker Lewis is the Head of Business Development at Zaprite, a tool and a new way to collect Bitcoin payments online. Additionally, he’s also the Author of the book ‘Gradually, Then Suddenly’. In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Parker discusses his journey into Bitcoin, why he decided to work in Bitcoin companies, how Bitcoin will soon eat up all the world’s wealth, and what motivated him to write his book. You can follow Parker on X: https://x.com/parkeralewis You can buy Parker’s book here: https://academy.saifedean.com/product/gradually-then-suddenly-hardcover/?v=adab7b701f23 — 00:00 - Intro 00:45 - Why Bitcoin community hubs are important 05:37 - Understanding Bitcoin and Parker’s book 12:25 - The problem with fiat money 19:00 - Bitcoin as a solution to economic issues 23:39 - Bitcoin as a store of value vs. a medium of exchange 29:29 - The future of Bitcoin payments 33:05 - Adoption and the acceptance of Bitcoin in businesses 39:14 - Parker’s Bitcoin allocation in his portfolio — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai AG. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 50 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time. Disclaimer: Relai services are exclusively recommended for Swiss and Italian residents. 👋 New to Relai? Visit our website to learn more: https://relai.app/ 💡 Also, don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel to watch the episode in video format and enjoy the best bits from new episodes: https://www.youtube.com/c/Relai Follow us on Twitter ➡️ https://twitter.com/Relai_app Follow us on Instagram ➡️ https://www.instagram.com/relai.app/ Like our Facebook page ➡️ https://www.facebook.com/pg/RelaiApp/community/ bitcoin #personalfinance #savings #buybitcoin
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May 7, 2025 · 42 min
The Dangers of CBDCs and Why Bitcoin Is the Exit With Efrat Fenigson | Relai Bitcoin Podcast #97
Efrat Fenigson hosts the “You’re The Voice” podcast and is a public advocate for Bitcoin worldwide. She came onto the scene at BTC Amsterdam in 2023 and BTC Prague 2024, where she gave talks about the dangers of CBDCs and how Bitcoin can be an exit. In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Efrat discusses her journey into Bitcoin, why she decided to take a closer look a few years ago, how she started her podcast, why she’s educating against CBDCs, and what Bitcoiners can do in the future. You can follow Efrat on X: https://x.com/efenigson You can subscribe to Efrat’s podcast here: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoice — 00:00 - Intro 00:29 - Efrat’s journey into Bitcoin 05:23 - Understanding CBDCs vs. Bitcoin 10:01 - The future of CBDCs and the global financial system 20:18 - The risks of CBDCs and financial control 30:09 - Personal finance and the Bitcoin standard — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai AG. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 50 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time. Disclaimer: Relai services are exclusively recommended for Swiss and Italian residents. 👋 New to Relai? Visit our website to learn more: https://relai.app/ 💡 Also, don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel to watch the episode in video format and enjoy the best bits from new episodes: https://www.youtube.com/c/Relai Follow us on Twitter ➡️ https://twitter.com/Relai_app Follow us on Instagram ➡️ https://www.instagram.com/relai.app/ Like our Facebook page ➡️ https://www.facebook.com/pg/RelaiApp/community/ bitcoin #personalfinance #savings #buybitcoin
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Mar 4, 2025 · 35 min
Why Most Family Offices Will Hold Onto Bitcoin Going Forward With Peter Dunworth | Relai Bitcoin Podcast #95
Peter Dunworth is a partner at the Bitcoin Advisers and has had a successful career in various family offices. Originally from Australia, he’s best known in the Bitcoin community globally for his Bitcoin outlook and work in orange pilling HNWIs. In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Peter discusses what led to him discovering Bitcoin, why he was so convinced early on, what importance multisig wallets play in Bitcoin adoption, and how he’s actively orange pilling more family offices. You can follow Peter on X: https://x.com/peterbtcadviser — 00:00 - Intro 02:45 - Bitcoin’s current landscape and future outlook 15:15 - The evolution of Bitcoin in family offices 30:03 - Self-custody and the future of Bitcoin investments — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai AG. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 50 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time. Disclaimer: Relai services are exclusively recommended for Swiss and Italian residents. 👋 New to Relai? Visit our website to learn more: https://relai.app/ 💡 Also, don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel to watch the episode in video format and enjoy the best bits from new episodes: https://www.youtube.com/c/Relai Follow us on Twitter ➡️ https://twitter.com/Relai_app Follow us on Instagram ➡️ https://www.instagram.com/relai.app/ Like our Facebook page ➡️ https://www.facebook.com/pg/RelaiApp/community/ bitcoin #personalfinance #savings #buybitcoin
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Feb 20, 2025 · 44 min
Why Tether Is Investing in Bitcoin and Bitcoin Companies With Paolo Ardoino | Relai Bitcoin Podcast #94
Paolo Ardoino is the CEO of Tether, the world's largest stablecoin issuer, and the CTO of Bitfinex. Paolo discovered the cypherpunk movement in his early teens and has been fascinated by the movement. This led to him discovering Bitcoin in 2013 and joining Bitfinex a year later. In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Paolo discusses the evolution of Tether’s USDT stablecoin, how they use Bitcoin as a backing asset, why they decided also to use gold and treasuries as reserves, and why they invested billions of dollars in companies and projects to further evolve the space. You can follow Paolo on X: https://x.com/paoloardoino — 00:00 - Intro 03:10 - Early life and Paolo’s introduction to technology 06:19 - Paolo’s transition from technology to finance 12:23 - Paolo’s rise to CTO of Bitfinex and CEO of Tether 16:08 - The success of Tether and its impact on digital assets 20:21 - The importance of self-custody in Bitcoin 30:00 - Investing in Bitcoin startups and Paolo’s outlook for the future 43:38 - Paolo’s Bitcoin position in his portfolio — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai AG. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 50 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time. Disclaimer: Relai services are exclusively recommended for Swiss and Italian residents. 👋 New to Relai? Visit our website to learn more: https://relai.app/ 💡 Also, don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel to watch the episode in video format and enjoy the best bits from new episodes: https://www.youtube.com/c/Relai Follow us on Twitter ➡️ https://twitter.com/Relai_app Follow us on Instagram ➡️ https://www.instagram.com/relai.app/ Like our Facebook page ➡️ https://www.facebook.com/pg/RelaiApp/community/ bitcoin #personalfinance #savings #buybitcoin
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Dec 18, 2024 · 56 min
Michael Saylor’s Big Bitcoin Prediction | Relai Bitcoin Podcast #90
Michael Saylor is the chairman and founder of MicroStrategy. In the Bitcoin community, he’s known as the Bitcoin Gigachad. Since 2020, he has been buying Bitcoin and putting it on the company’s balance sheet. In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Michael discusses why he decided to buy Bitcoin and use it as a strategic reserve asset, what that journey was like inside the company, why he sees Bitcoin as the biggest mission in his life, and what the next ten years will look like. You can follow Michael on X: https://x.com/saylor — 00:00 - Intro 00:56 - What does it mean to be in the Nasdaq 100? 02:40 - How much capital will flow into MicroStrategy? 03:58 - What is Michael’s plan with the ATM offering? 18:34 - How should millennials allocate their Bitcoin exposure? 24:36 - The opportunity with debt and the market to get more Bitcoin 42:15 - Why the Bitcoin strategy is the no-brainer solution for businesses 49:23 - Michael’s take on the Microsoft Bitcoin vote earlier this month — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai AG. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 50 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time. 👋 New to Relai? Visit our website to learn more: https://relai.app/ 📲 Download our Android App: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.relai 📲 Download our iPhone App: https://apps.apple.com/app/id1513185997 💡 Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast, so you never miss an episode! 💡 Also, don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel to watch the episode in video format and enjoy the best bits from new episodes: https://www.youtube.com/c/Relai Follow us on Twitter ➡️ https://twitter.com/Relai_app Follow us on Instagram ➡️ https://www.instagram.com/relai.app/ Like our Facebook page ➡️ https://www.facebook.com/pg/RelaiApp/community/ bitcoin #personalfinance #savings #buybitcoin
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Dec 4, 2024 · 24 min
Why More Nations Will Adopt Bitcoin With Dennis Porter | Relai Bitcoin Podcast #89
Dennis Porter is the co-founder and CEO of Satoshi Action Fund, where he and his team work closely with lawmakers to make Bitcoin-friendly legislation. Dennis is the go-to resource for information about Bitcoin adoption amongst policymakers. In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Dennis discusses Bitcoin's success in the recent U.S. elections, why the Bitcoin vote is growing rapidly, how likely it is that other nations will adopt Bitcoin, and what we can expect from the U.S. in the coming months. You can follow Dennis on X: https://x.com/Dennis_Porter_ Find out more about the Satoshi Action Fun here: https://www.satoshiaction.io/ — 00:00 - Intro 01:35 - What has changed in the interest of nation-states? 03:54 - What is the motivation behind the Bitcoin vote in the U.S.? 07:18 - Do lawmakers take Bitcoin and its incentives seriously? 08:53 - Is the younger generation pushing Bitcoin in politics? 09:46 - How big can Bitcoin and proper legislation become? 12:47 - What’s going on with Bitcoin and politics in China? 14:07 - What does it take for a Bitcoin-friendly bill? 15:25 - Will nation-states also mine Bitcoin? 17:48 - When will a strategic Bitcoin reserve bill happen? 19:58 - Why we need to take action! 21:15 - What’s Dennis’ motivation? 22:20 - Bitcoin allocation in the portfolio — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai AG. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 25 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time. 👋 New to Relai? Visit our website to learn more: https://relai.app/ 📲 Download our Android App: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.relai 📲 Download our iPhone App: https://apps.apple.com/app/id1513185997 💡 Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast, so you never miss an episode! 💡 Also, don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel to watch the episode in video format and enjoy the best bits from new episodes: https://www.youtube.com/c/Relai Follow us on Twitter ➡️ https://twitter.com/Relai_app Follow us on Instagram ➡️ https://www.instagram.com/relai.app/ Like our Facebook page ➡️ https://www.facebook.com/pg/RelaiApp/community/ bitcoin #personalfinance #savings #buybitcoin
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