Inside 'Kona Blue,' the alleged Lockheed-to-DHS UFO transfer | Reality Check

In this episode of "Reality Check," Ross Coulthart sits down with a UAP researcher known online as "UAP Gerb.” Picking up where Part 1 left off, they dig into the "Immaculate Constellation" document and whistleblower Matthew Brown's claims about nonhuman and reproduction vehicle data. Gerb walks through "Kona Blue," an alleged DHS-brokered program in which Lockheed Martin material was reportedly diverted before the CIA shut it down. Coulthart presses the national security case for controlled disclosure, while Gerb raises troubling allegations: directed-energy attacks on people close to the program, civilian aircraft allegedly downed by EMP weapons during craft-recovery operations and an alleged murder. They close on whether President Trump or Congress can force real transparency. #UAPGerb #KonaBlue #EMPs CREDITS: Host: Ross Coulthart Executive Producer: Andy Gipson Editorial Producer: Meagan Medick Segment Producer: Christine Jenkinson, Will Tomasi Research Producer: Rob Jones Editor: Kanyon Lyons On "Reality Check," NewsNation Special Correspondent Ross Coulthart takes a fact-based approach to tackle everything from unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs) to mysteries often missing from the headlines. More Reality Check: https://www.newsnationnow.com/podcasts-newsnation/reality-check-with-ross-coulthart/ Email your questions to RealityCheck@NewsNationNow.com NewsNation is your source for fact-based, unbiased news for all Americans. More from NewsNation: https://www.newsnationnow.com/ Get our app: https://trib.al/TBXgYpp Find us on your screen: https://www.joinnn.com/ CHAPTER SUMMARY: :00 Intro :38 Immaculate constellation 3:08 Attempts at controlled disclosure 4:25 Project Kona Blue 7:18 Limited disclosure campaigns 9:16 Government agreements with NHI? 9:41 Agreements with foreign adversaries 11:22 Schism in the UAP community 12:08 Modern legacy program gaps 13:19 Has the U.S. achieved anti-gravity? 15:15 Arguments for secrecy 17:00 FFRDCs, U-Arcs, and GOCOs 20:13 Risk of catastrophic disclosure 20:44 Has the U.S. achieved ‘In planet flight mode’? 21:14 Could previously reported sightings actually be U.S. reverse engineered craft? 26:42 Gatekeeping within the legacy program 28:54 Is the legacy program a ‘deep state’? 30:57 Gerb makes a prediction about future disclosure drops 31:53 Should legacy program employees be given amnesty? 32:55 Have directed energy weapons been used on potential whistleblowers? 34:18 Allegations of the downing civilian aircrafts 35:55 ‘Blue on blue’ kinetic strikes 37:37 Congressional efforts on disclosure 38:30 Will Trump be a disclosure president? 41:15 Final thoughts