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本集谈到的诗歌来自诗歌集：《丈夫的美》（The Beauty of the Husband）。本集里主要谈及的诗歌： Here, Albert, this old phantom wants a proof! 来啊，阿尔伯特，这个老幽灵想要一个证据！ Give him his proof! A camel’s load of proofs! 给他证据！给他一整头骆驼驮着的证据！ JOHN KEATS, 约翰·济慈， Otho the Great: A Tragedy in Five Acts, 3.2.208–9 《奥托大帝：五幕悲剧》，第三幕第二场，第208–209行 IV. HE SHE WE THEY YOU YOU YOU I HER SO PRONOUNS BEGIN THE DANCE CALLED WASHING WHOSE NAME DERIVES FROM AN ALCHEMICAL FACT THAT AFTER A SMALL STILLNESS THERE IS A SMALL STIR AFTER GREAT STILLNESS A GREAT STIR 四、他她我们他们你你你我她，代词就这样开启了那支名为“洗涤”的舞蹈，其名源于一项炼金术事实：小静之后有小动，大静之后有大动 Rotate the husband and expose a hidden side. A letter he wrote from Rio de Janeiro. 把丈夫旋转过来，暴露出隐藏的一面。一封他从里约热内卢写来的信。 Why Rio de Janeiro? is not a question worth asking. 为什么是里约热内卢？这不是一个值得一问的问题。 We had been separated three years but not yet divorced. 那时我们已经分居三年，但尚未离婚。 He turned up anywhere. 他会在任何地方冒出来。 Could be counted upon to lie if asked why. Otherwise could not be counted upon. 如果问起缘由，他必定会撒谎，这一点倒是可以指望。除此之外，他全然不可指望。 When I say hidden 当我说隐藏的一面时 I mean funny. 我的意思是滑稽可笑。 A husband’s tears are never hidden. 丈夫的眼泪从来都不会隐藏。 Rio, April 23 里约，4月23日 I don’t understand this business of linguistics. 我搞不懂语言学这档子事。 Make me cry. 让我哭。 Don’t make me cry. 别让我哭。 I cry. You cry. We make ourselves cry. 我哭。你哭。我们让我们自己哭。 Travelling foolish work spending money is what I make myself do. 旅行、愚蠢的工作、花钱，就是我让自己去做的事。 Carioca. 里约人。 I’m in an apartment in Rio with some Brazilians arguing over 我正待在里约的一间公寓里，和几个巴西人争论着 how to make a washing machine work. 怎么让一台洗衣机运转起来。 In half an hour they’ll forget about it and go out for dinner 半小时后，他们就会把这事忘到脑后，出门吃晚饭去， leaving the machine on fire. 任由那台机器着火燃烧。 They will come back from dinner to find their clothes burned up, 他们吃完晚饭回来，会发现衣服全都烧光了， slap each other on the head 然后互相拍打着脑袋， and decide they in fact bought 认定他们其实买下的 a dryer which they don’t know how to operate. 是一台他们不知道该如何操作的烘干机。 I have just gone to look at this machine. It is indeed a washer on fire. 我刚刚过去看了一眼这台机器。它确实是一台着了火的洗衣机。 So now what happens. You and I. 那么现在会怎样呢。你和我。 We have this deep sadness between us and its spells so habitual I 我们之间有着这般深沉的悲伤，它的魔咒如此习以为常，以至于我 can’t 无法 tell it from love. 将它与爱区分开来。 You want a clean life I live a dirty one old story. Well. 你想要一种干净的生活，我过的却是一种肮脏的生活，老掉牙的故事了。好吧。 Not much use to you without you am I. 没有了你，我对你而言也没什么用处，不是吗。 I still love you. 我依然爱你。 You make me cry. 你让我哭泣。 There are three things to notice about this letter. 关于这封信，有三点需要注意。 First 第一， its symmetry: 它的对称性： Make me cry.… You make me cry. 让我哭……你让我哭泣。 Second 第二， its casuistry: 它的诡辩术： cosmological motifs, fire and water, placed right before talk of love 水与火的宇宙论母题，被紧挨着放置在谈论爱情之前， to ground it in associations of primordial eros and strife. 以便将其植根于原始爱欲与纷争的联想之中。 Third no return address. 第三，没有回邮地址。 I cannot answer. He wants no answer. What does he want. 我无法回信。他也不想要回信。他究竟想要什么。 Four things. 四样东西。 But from the fourth I flee 但为了躲避那第四样，我逃离得 chaste and craftily. 贞洁而又狡黠。本节目的制作人和主持人：严慕来微信私号：mulai_y 邮箱：yanmulai@gmail.com 微信公号：慕来独立博客：https://lainian.site 播客网站：https://lainianshu.typlog.io/ 播客RSS：https://lainianshu.typlog.io/feed/audio.xml 送面包（捐助和打赏）：https://lainianshu.typlog.io/donate

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本集谈到的诗歌来自诗歌集：《丈夫的美》（The Beauty of the Husband）。

本集里主要谈及的诗歌：

Here, Albert, this old phantom wants a proof!

来啊，阿尔伯特，这个老幽灵想要一个证据！

Give him his proof! A camel’s load of proofs!

给他证据！给他一整头骆驼驮着的证据！

JOHN KEATS,

约翰·济慈，

Otho the Great: A Tragedy in Five Acts, 3.2.208–9

《奥托大帝：五幕悲剧》，第三幕第二场，第208–209行

IV. HE SHE WE THEY YOU YOU YOU I HER SO PRONOUNS BEGIN THE DANCE CALLED WASHING WHOSE NAME DERIVES FROM AN ALCHEMICAL FACT THAT AFTER A SMALL STILLNESS THERE IS A SMALL STIR AFTER GREAT STILLNESS A GREAT STIR

四、他她我们他们你你你我她，代词就这样开启了那支名为“洗涤”的舞蹈，其名源于一项炼金术事实：小静之后有小动，大静之后有大动

Rotate the husband and expose a hidden side. A letter he wrote from Rio de Janeiro.

把丈夫旋转过来，暴露出隐藏的一面。一封他从里约热内卢写来的信。

Why Rio de Janeiro? is not a question worth asking.

为什么是里约热内卢？这不是一个值得一问的问题。

We had been separated three years but not yet divorced.

那时我们已经分居三年，但尚未离婚。

He turned up anywhere.

他会在任何地方冒出来。

Could be counted upon to lie if asked why. Otherwise could not be counted upon.

如果问起缘由，他必定会撒谎，这一点倒是可以指望。除此之外，他全然不可指望。

When I say hidden

当我说隐藏的一面时

I mean funny.

我的意思是滑稽可笑。

A husband’s tears are never hidden.

丈夫的眼泪从来都不会隐藏。

Rio, April 23

里约，4月23日

I don’t understand this business of linguistics.

我搞不懂语言学这档子事。

Make me cry.

让我哭。

Don’t make me cry.

别让我哭。

I cry. You cry. We make ourselves cry.

我哭。你哭。我们让我们自己哭。

Travelling foolish work spending money is what I make myself do.

旅行、愚蠢的工作、花钱，就是我让自己去做的事。

Carioca.

里约人。

I’m in an apartment in Rio with some Brazilians arguing over

我正待在里约的一间公寓里，和几个巴西人争论着

how to make a washing machine work.

怎么让一台洗衣机运转起来。

In half an hour they’ll forget about it and go out for dinner

半小时后，他们就会把这事忘到脑后，出门吃晚饭去，

leaving the machine on fire.

任由那台机器着火燃烧。

They will come back from dinner to find their clothes burned up,

他们吃完晚饭回来，会发现衣服全都烧光了，

slap each other on the head

然后互相拍打着脑袋，

and decide they in fact bought

认定他们其实买下的

a dryer which they don’t know how to operate.

是一台他们不知道该如何操作的烘干机。

I have just gone to look at this machine. It is indeed a washer on fire.

我刚刚过去看了一眼这台机器。它确实是一台着了火的洗衣机。

So now what happens. You and I.

那么现在会怎样呢。你和我。

We have this deep sadness between us and its spells so habitual I

我们之间有着这般深沉的悲伤，它的魔咒如此习以为常，以至于我

can’t

无法

tell it from love.

将它与爱区分开来。

You want a clean life I live a dirty one old story. Well.

你想要一种干净的生活，我过的却是一种肮脏的生活，老掉牙的故事了。好吧。

Not much use to you without you am I.

没有了你，我对你而言也没什么用处，不是吗。

I still love you.

我依然爱你。

You make me cry.

你让我哭泣。

There are three things to notice about this letter.

关于这封信，有三点需要注意。

First

第一，

its symmetry:

它的对称性：

Make me cry.… You make me cry.

让我哭……你让我哭泣。

Second

第二，

its casuistry:

它的诡辩术：

cosmological motifs, fire and water, placed right before talk of love

水与火的宇宙论母题，被紧挨着放置在谈论爱情之前，

to ground it in associations of primordial eros and strife.

以便将其植根于原始爱欲与纷争的联想之中。

Third no return address.

第三，没有回邮地址。

I cannot answer. He wants no answer. What does he want.

我无法回信。他也不想要回信。他究竟想要什么。

Four things.

四样东西。

But from the fourth I flee

但为了躲避那第四样，我逃离得

chaste and craftily.

贞洁而又狡黠。