Pet Business Disruptors

Clayton Payne

Giving an in-depth look into all aspects of the pet Industry, Pet Business Disruptors tackles everything practical you need to know to succeed in the pet industry. Whether it's starting a pet business, finding a pet industry job or selling to the world's largest Pet businesses the Pet Business Disruptors will explain how to do it and how they DID it. Aimed at everyone from entry-level to corporate CEOs within the industry Clayton and his guests cover new trends, new products and industry movements. Showing insights into what's happening in different markets and tackling common problems and challenges faced by pet industry professionals Featuring Industry Myth busters and critiquing industry products and marketing (both positive and negative). This podcast is not to be missed by people who want to know the REAL truth behind the industry and how to approach it from a position of power!

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Yesterday · 59 min
Beyond the Buzzwords: Building an Authentic Pet Brand with John and Lisa Bryson
In this episode, Clayton catches up with John and Lisa Bryson, the founders behind Tranquil Tails, one year after launching their pheromone-based pet calming line. Together, they dive into the realities of scaling a young pet brand from introducing their new Silver Tails line for senior pets to navigating the financial realities of Amazon PPC, Chewy, and grassroots pop-up events. KEY TAKEAWAYS Pets Mirror Owner Stress: Heightened pet anxiety often reflects owner stress stemming from modern lifestyle factors, making safe, accessible calming tools increasingly essential. Specialized Care for Aging Pets: Tranquil Tails introduced Silver Tails—a higher-concentration (7%) pheromone formula created specifically for senior pets struggling with sensory loss and physical discomfort. Education-Focused Nano-Influencers Win: Smaller accounts (1,000–3,000 followers) that prioritize pet education often yield higher trust and better engagement than massive "entertainment" accounts with low conversion rates. Skyrocketing Vet Costs Drive OTC Growth: Rising veterinary bills are encouraging pet parents to explore gentle, over-the-counter remedies and telemedicine platforms as a first line of defense before resorting to expensive prescription drugs. Grassroots Authenticity Builds Loyalty: While online marketplaces provide reach, long-term brand equity is built through direct consumer interaction at local events, trade shows, and rescue partnerships. BEST MOMENTS "I think pets reflect the anxiety of their owners to a degree... we live in a time of anxiety that is unparalleled." "Silver Tails really came to be for the elderly dog... when you start to lose your senses and you've got aches and pains, that invokes anxiety." "Numbers are very deceptive. You can have someone with half a million followers put up a post and get 30 likes, and someone with 2,000 followers get 200 likes." "There is no influencer, there's no retailer that could give you the level of social proofing that a veterinarian can." "The bigger you get, the less you make... but still, half a percent on a million is a lot more than nothing on a hundred thousand." Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivalled by few. HOST BIO Clayton has been the spearhead of many of the industry's changes and has introduced numerous new concepts to market with a trail of success behind him. He has worked in numerous countries within the pet industry, speaks four different languages and has established both import and export relationships on all continents (excluding Antarctica). As well as being COO of one of the UKs fastest growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals. https://www.linkedin.com/in/clayton-payne-a6772244/ https://www.tiktok.com/@petbusinessdisruptors https://www.youtube.com/@PetBusinessDisruptors This Podcast has been brought to you byDisruptive Media .https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/
July 26 · 57 min
Rethinking Pet Hygiene: How The Paws Lab is Bridging At-Home Care and Professional Grooming
In this episode, Clayton sits down with Daniel and Andre, the founders of The Paws Lab, to discuss their journey from a decade in corporate London to building an innovative, science-backed pet care and hygiene brand. Designed to bridge the gap between professional grooming sessions and everyday home care, The Paws Lab offers targeted, gentle solutions powered by their advanced formulation blending colloidal silver and titanium dioxide. KEY TAKEAWAYS Bridging the Maintenance Gap: Routine preventative care such as ear, dental, skin, and coat hygiene is often neglected between grooming appointments. Daily, accessible home care routines are vital for long-term pet health. Function Over Fragrance: Over-formulating products with heavy scents (like mint, strawberry, or pumpkin spice) and alcohol often irritates sensitive skin and noses. Effective pet care relies on gentle, minimalist, and functional ingredients. Cultural Differences in Pet Care: In Asian markets, daily indoor hygiene is deeply ingrained in pet parenting, whereas European markets are still transitioning from traditional "outdoor pet" mindsets toward routine home wellness. Understanding Trade & Retail Realities: Stepping into retail requires mastering margin structures, distributor layers, and the high costs of industry trade shows. Setting retail pricing correctly from day one is critical for long-term viability. In-Person Demos Build Trust: Building authentic connections with independent retailers, demonstrating how simple products work in person, and leveraging brand ambassadors (like their dog, Gordi) are key drivers for organic growth. BEST MOMENTS "We try to be the bridge in between professional grooming and at-home care... there's a gap in the market, that's why we created The Paws Lab." "As many ingredients a product has, sometimes they are not beneficial for the pet and they create more reactions. A pet right now is like a little baby... whatever they touch, they're going to get a reaction." "Because you like vanilla or pumpkin spice, that doesn't mean your dog likes it. This is not in their nature." "The biggest challenge is probably what you don't know... because if you know things, you know how to ask and you know how to get answers." "What you do in between grooming appointments is just as important as what really happens in the salon." Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivalled by few. Clayton has been the spearhead of many of the industry's changes and has introduced numerous new concepts to market with a trail of success behind him. He has worked in numerous countries within the pet industry, speaks four different languages and has established both import and export relationships on all continents (excluding Antarctica). As well as being COO of one of the UKs fastest growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals. https://www.linkedin.com/in/clayton-payne-a6772244/ https://www.tiktok.com/@petbusinessdisruptors https://www.youtube.com/@PetBusinessDisruptors This Podcast has been brought to you byDisruptive Media .https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/ HOST BIO
July 19 · 1 hr 2 min
The Passion to Profit Shift: Unleashing Business Growth for Pet Service Pros
In this episode, Clayton sits down with Tatum Brown, founder of the Social Dog Company, to unpack the often chaotic, highly emotional "Wild West" of the pet service industry. Sharing her raw and inspiring journey from beauty therapy and corporate marketing to navigating personal rock bottom on a blow-up mattress, Tatum details how her deep love for dogs sparked a thriving coaching business in Bali. KEY TAKEAWAYS Vanity Metrics vs. Conversion: A viral social media video does not guarantee sales. True commercial success lies in targeted, conversion-focused content rather than broad, entertaining content designed only to feed the ego. The Margin Mandate: Never set prices based on what competitors charge. Pet business owners must calculate their exact margins, factor in their own labor costs, and price their services to ensure long-term profitability and prevent burnout. The "Asset" Mindset: A successful business should eventually be able to operate without you. If you cannot step away due to illness or vacation without the business collapsing, you don’t own a business you own a job. Stop Trying to Be Everything to Everyone: Offering too many services dilutes your marketing effort and eats your profit. Streamlining your offers, packaging them attractively, and raising prices on high-value services is the key to scaling. Delegation is a Revenue Generator: Doing low-value administrative tasks (like replying to Instagram DMs for three hours a day) actually costs you money. Outsourcing these tasks frees up your time to focus on high-level growth. BEST MOMENTS "I dare you to name one pet business owner that has not started their business because of a dog or because it was influenced by some kind of animal within their space." "Follower count does not equal revenue, and it doesn't equal marketability." "More clients isn't going to fix your business; it's going to break it harder, and you're going to resent the thing that you have built." "You don't go into local supermarkets and say, 'Why does this bread cost this? Surely you can do me a deal.' The moment you start allowing yourself to be negotiated on price, you end up with lower-quality clients." "Choose your hard. You can either go hard in a direction that's actually going to get you a better outcome... or you can just keep going hard in the direction that you're already doing and be in the same space for the next 12 to 24 months." Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivalled by few. Clayton has been the spearhead of many of the industry's changes and has introduced numerous new concepts to market with a trail of success behind him. He has worked in numerous countries within the pet industry, speaks four different languages and has established both import and export relationships on all continents (excluding Antarctica). As well as being COO of one of the UKs fastest growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals. https://www.linkedin.com/in/clayton-payne-a6772244/ https://www.tiktok.com/@petbusinessdisruptors https://www.youtube.com/@PetBusinessDisruptors This Podcast has been brought to you byDisruptive Media .https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/ HOST BIO
July 13 · 1 hr 22 min
Is Fresh Really Best? Sally Barker on Fear-Based Pet Food Marketing
There's no such thing as a fussy dog — only a symptom nobody has bothered to investigate. Sally Barker, The Canine Dietician, joins Clayton to dismantle the fear-driven marketing pulling dog owners apart from both sides of the feeding debate. Sally shares her journey from "kibble-bashing warrior" to a deliberately middle-ground consultant who refuses affiliate codes and product launches. The conversation digs into why nutrition isn't a feeding method, the real problem with vets selling food, the danger of overfeeding fresh diets to giant-breed puppies, and why over-supplementation and probiotics are often doing more harm than good. You'll come away better equipped to see past buzzwords like "human grade" and "clean ingredients," to understand when prescription diets genuinely earn their place, and to recognise that management often beats chasing an impossible cure. Above all, it's a reminder that meeting owners at their budget and circumstances serves dogs better than shame ever could. Tune in for a refreshingly honest, myth-busting conversation that puts the everyday dog owner back in the middle. KEY TAKEAWAYS Stop picking food by its ingredients list — Sally's EPI client nearly fed a "clean ingredients" diet at 28% fat that could have caused a medical emergency, when the overall nutritional profile is what actually matters. Treat prescription diets as a bridge, not a life sentence — they exist to stabilise a dog from A to B, but owners are too often left stranded on them for years with no plan to find the root cause. Introduce variety to puppies slowly and deliberately, from around five to six months, adding one thing per week like a child weaning — not a random pile of blueberries, oils and supplements that disrupts a developing gut. Audit your supplements ruthlessly — you can't out-supplement a bad diet, multivitamins stacked on already-fortified food can hit toxic levels, and most probiotics should be a short "dump" course, not a daily forever habit. Change your vet over how they treat you, not because they disagree with you — a good vet welcomes questions and explains their reasoning, and questioning isn't the same as always getting the answer you wanted. STANDOUT QUOTES "There's no such thing as a fussy dog — it's always either physiological, behavioural or a mixture of both." "So these parasites that have been around roughly 70 million years are all of a sudden outdone by a rabbit's ear?" "Companies thrive off fear, shame and guilt to sell a product — because it sells and it works." "If you have to knock on my door to tout your religion, is it so good?" (on fear-based dog food marketing) "Nutrition doesn't equal a feeding method." About the Podcast / Host Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivalled by few. Clayton has been the spearhead of many of the industry's changes and has introduced numerous new concepts to market with a trail of success behind him. He has worked in numerous countries within the pet industry, speaks four different languages and has established both import and export relationships on all continents (excluding Antarctica). As well as being COO of one of the UK's fastest growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals. ⁠LinkedIn⁠ | ⁠TikTok⁠ | ⁠YouTube⁠ This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. ⁠https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/
July 5 · 1 hr 32 min
From Certified Organic Pioneer to Industry Provocateur: Phivo on Building Augustine Approved
In this episode of Pet Business Disruptors, host Clayton sits down with Phivo, founder of Augustine Approved and creator of the Canine Masters natural pet health event in Melbourne, Australia. Fivos shares how he stumbled into the pet industry after his own dog fell ill, and how that led him to become the first in the world to certify a dog food/supplement range to human organic standards — a process regulators initially thought was absurd. The conversation ranges widely: the shift from "pet food only" to "human-grade" marketing (and how that term has since been diluted), the realities of selling into big retail chains, the launch of his new "Great Dog Health Debate" podcast series, and this year's Canine Masters lineup including Dr Judy Morgan and fermentation expert Billy Hoekman. They also get into meatier (literally) industry issues — MDM vs. whole cuts in pet food, the overuse of flea/tick and probiotic products, the limits of AI-generated content, and why "natural" and "sustainable" have become close to meaningless as marketing terms. Building the First Certified-Organic Dog Food Brand : Phivo explains how Augustine Approved began as an attempt to make fresh, home-delivered, fully certified organic dog food — a category that didn't really exist in Australia at the time. Getting certification and factory approval took roughly 12 months and required convincing regulators a rigorous human-grade standard was even worth applying to pet food. The Problem With "Human Grade" and Other Marketing Buzzwords : Having helped popularise "human grade" as a pet food term, Phivo is candid about how far the phrase has drifted from its original meaning — pointing out that technically, hot dogs and chicken nuggets are "human grade" too. The same critique is applied to "natural" and "sustainable," which he argues have become marketing shorthand with little real regulatory teeth behind them. Meat Quality, MDM, and Why Labels Don't Tell the Full Story : A deep-dive into how industrial meat processing (e.g. mechanically deboned meat/MDM vs. whole cuts) changes how pet food behaves nutritionally, even though ingredient panels may simply list it all as "beef" or "chicken" — making label-reading alone an unreliable guide to quality. Personal Branding and Building Customer Trust : Phivo discusses why he chose to put his name and face to Augustine Approved rather than stay behind the brand, and how two decades of direct, personal customer relationships (in his prior 22-year wholesale business) built long-term loyalty in a way anonymous e-commerce struggles to replicate. Launching the "Great Dog Health Debate" Podcast : A new video podcast format where the industry nominates natural-health vs. conventional-veterinary figures to debate respectfully, aiming to inform audiences rather than "win" arguments. Dr Nick Thompson is lined up as an early guest. Canine Masters 2026 : Details on this year's natural pet health expo in Melbourne (Capital Theatre, October 31st), featuring Dr Judy Morgan as headline speaker, along with Billy Hoekman, Caroline Ingraham, and Lee Carroll ("the mushroom guru"). Skepticism Toward Studies, Regulation, and AI-Generated Content : Phivo and Clayton discuss how commercial incentives shape which studies get funded (and which don't), the gap between "legally safe" and "actually safe," and the risks of relying on AI to generate health content without the underlying expertise to fact-check it. "I felt like to get out there and for people to have trust, I needed to put my name and face to it — so they know that if there's an issue, they can contact someone." "Safe in the legal term means that the regulators have said 'you need to tick these boxes' — and if you tick those boxes, it's approved. But at the end of the day, it's only once those products go to market that we really find out what the real-world consequences are." "If you actually know what you're doing and you're really good at what you're doing, there's absolutely no problem handing out your information for free." Guest Resources augustineapproved.com thedoghealthguy.com Canine Masters event — Melbourne, Capital Theatre, October 31st About the Podcast / Host Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivalled by few. Clayton has been the spearhead of many of the industry's changes and has introduced numerous new concepts to market with a trail of success behind him. He has worked in numerous countries within the pet industry, speaks four different languages and has established both import and export relationships on all continents (excluding Antarctica). As well as being COO of one of the UK's fastest growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals. LinkedIn | TikTok | YouTube This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/
June 29 · 56 min
Exploring the World of Pet Nutrition: Billy Hoekman on Fermentation and Microbial Diversity
In this episode of Pet Business Disruptors, host Clayton interviews Billy Hoekman, the master formulator at Green Juju and a renowned expert in fermentation within the pet food industry. Billy shares his unique journey into the world of pet nutrition, which began with his own experiences as a dog owner and his quest to understand the best diet for pets. He discusses the importance of microbial diversity in pet diets, emphasizing the benefits of fermentation and how it can enhance gut health. The conversation also delves into the formulation of Green Juju's products, highlighting their focus on using organ meats like heart, liver, and kidney to create nutrient-dense foods. Billy explains the rationale behind their innovative approach and the significance of providing pets with a varied diet to promote overall health and resilience. Journey into Pet Nutrition : The guest's journey into the pet nutrition industry began in his mid-20s when he got his first dog. His initial question about what to feed his dog sparked a lifelong passion for pet health and nutrition, leading to over 15 years of experience in the field. Importance of Microbial Diversity : Fermentation is highlighted as a key method for enhancing microbial diversity in pets' diets. The guest emphasizes that a diverse gut microbiome is crucial for overall health, similar to how farm kids are less prone to allergies due to their exposure to various microbes. Innovative Approach to Probiotics : Unlike traditional single-strain probiotics, the guest advocates for using whole food cultures that contain thousands of different microbial species. This approach aims to provide a more comprehensive and beneficial probiotic effect for pets. "I think we need to keep continually pushing on that and going how do we make this better." "I think any good bacteria is better than no good bacteria." "I would much rather have them do that probiotic intermittently, and then feed a higher fiber diet." Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivalled by few. Clayton has been the spearhead of many of the industry's changes and has introduced numerous new concepts to market with a trail of success behind him. He has worked in numerous countries within the pet industry, speaks four different languages and has established both import and export relationships on all continents (excluding Antarctica). As well as being COO of one of the UKs fastest growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals. https://www.linkedin.com/in/clayton-payne-a6772244/ https://www.tiktok.com/@petbusinessdisruptors https://www.youtube.com/@PetBusinessDisruptors This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media .https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/
June 22 · 53 min
Inside SuperZoo: Navigating North America's Largest Pet Retail Event with Mike Karsting
In this episode, Clayton sits down with Mike Karsting, Senior Vice President at the World Pet Association (WPA), to dive deep into the world of SuperZoo. Mike shares the rich 76-year history of the event, explaining how it evolved from its humble beginnings in 1950 into the premier pet retail trade show in North America. KEY TAKEAWAYS A Mission-Driven Event: SuperZoo is organized by the World Pet Association (WPA), a not-for-profit organization. Strategic Scheduling: Hosting SuperZoo in Las Vegas in August isn't an accident. It is perfectly timed for the sweet spot of holiday season purchasing, occurs right after kids return to school. Quality Over Quantity: Following the COVID-19 pandemic, WPA reset their entire database and instituted stricter vetting processes for attendees. Exhibitors Need a Game Plan: Simply paying for a booth isn't enough to succeed. Exhibitors must engage in pre-show marketing and submit items to the highly trafficked New Product Showcase. Education is a Major Pillar: SuperZoo is not just about buying and selling; it's a massive educational hub. With over 60 sessions starting the day before the show floor opens. BEST MOMENTS "WPA is a not-for-profit, which means all the proceeds that come from the trade shows go back into the industry." "You should not be outside in the middle of the day unless you're at the pool and you have a cocktail in hand." "We essentially started over on our database. We took everybody out, we made everybody reapply for our first year back in 2021... all we're trying to do is exactly what you said, making sure the right people are on the show floor." "Putting something in New Product Showcase... that's the number one destination on all of our research. It's the busiest spot of the show for retailers." "If you just show up at SuperZoo and think you're gonna wing it, you're gonna end up seeing a million things and not remember any of it." HOST BIO Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivalled by few. Clayton has been the spearhead of many of the industry's changes and has introduced numerous new concepts to market with a trail of success behind him. He has worked in numerous countries within the pet industry, speaks four different languages and has established both import and export relationships on all continents (excluding Antarctica). As well as being COO of one of the UKs fastest growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals. https://www.linkedin.com/in/clayton-payne-a6772244/ https://www.tiktok.com/@petbusinessdisruptors https://www.youtube.com/@PetBusinessDisruptors This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/
June 15 · 1 hr 5 min
Becoming the "Poop Bag Girl": Uncovering the Truth About Biodegradable Plastics
In this episode, Clayton sits down with Jennifer Blaese, the Big Chief behind Green Line Pet Supplies. Jennifer shares her fascinating 14-year journey from designing a modern poop bag holder in her basement to uncovering the harsh realities of biodegradable plastics in anaerobic landfills. Dubbed the "poop bag girl" by her loyal customers, she discusses the challenges of prioritizing ethics and sustainability in the pet industry. KEY TAKEAWAYS The truth about compostable bags: Most compostable poop bags don't actually break down in standard anaerobic landfills; genuine sustainability requires consumer education and transparent marketing. Embrace your niche identity: Leaning into quirky titles like Jennifer proudly accepting the moniker "the poop bag girl" can build strong brand recognition and approachability in retail settings. Treats shouldn't be toxic: Developing healthy, low-sugar treats like Wiggle Whip requires rigorous sourcing and often means rejecting standard manufacturing shortcuts, such as using corn syrup or unethically sourced milk. Customer feedback is gold: Direct, honest feedback from the field, whether at a trade show or from a cold call, is incredibly valuable for refining product packaging and design, sometimes even more valuable than an immediate sale. Regional distributors champion small brands: Partnering with smaller, regional distributors often provides better brand support and alignment than battling for attention in massive, heavily consolidated distribution networks. BEST MOMENTS "That's when we became garbage nerds. I will judge you based on if you recycle and how you handle your garbage." "When I walk into a store, you won't remember my name, but you will remember I'm the poop bag girl." "Feedback from a customer, regardless of if they buy from you, is more valuable than a sale." "Why are we trying to tackle things that are so hard? ... From somebody who has been in the treat sector, treats are hard." "If you want to get out of a contract, you can legally. And so if people are going to screw you, they're going to screw you. So just make it easy. If you're going to screw me, just do it to my face and we can walk away." HOST BIO Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivalled by few. Clayton has been the spearhead of many of the industry's changes and has introduced numerous new concepts to market with a trail of success behind him. He has worked in numerous countries within the pet industry, speaks four different languages and has established both import and export relationships on all continents (excluding Antarctica). As well as being COO of one of the UKs fastest growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals. https://www.linkedin.com/in/clayton-payne-a6772244/ https://www.tiktok.com/@petbusinessdisruptors https://www.youtube.com/@PetBusinessDisruptors This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/
June 7 · 1 hr 10 min
Jessica Fisher on Fresh Food, HPP and Becoming Your Pet's Health CEO
What if the person you trust most with your pet's health knows the least about what's on their plate? Jessica Fisher, host of The Pet Parenting Reset, joins Clayton to challenge the comfortable assumptions baked into the pet industry. This wide-ranging conversation digs into the nuance the industry often skips: the real risk-versus-reward debate around HPP, why "complete and balanced" was always a flawed promise, and the case for micro-layering products instead of one-size-fits-all feeding. Jessica also shares how a single YouTube comment redirected her career, and why she now champions home diagnostics and bioenergetic testing. You'll come away with a sharper view on combination feeding, why consistency matters more than perfection, and how to position your products for owners who want to be empowered rather than preached at. Above all, it's a reminder that meeting pet parents where they are beats demanding perfection they can't sustain. Tune in for a candid, myth-busting discussion that respects both the science and the realities of modern pet ownership. KEY TAKEAWAYS Weigh HPP as risk versus reward, not as a dealbreaker — Jessica and Clayton agree there are far worse industry practices being ignored while HPP gets disproportionate attention from the holistic community. Build products around micro-layering rather than a single complete-and-balanced bag, letting owners rotate proteins and add supplements on top — this is where the supplement and raw markets genuinely add value. Position yourself as the head of your pet's care team, hiring and firing your vet, groomer and nutritionist accordingly — diagnostics and emergency care are a vet's strength, but nutrition usually isn't. Get baseline blood work done early in a pet's life, not just when something goes wrong, so you have a healthy benchmark to compare against later. Charge fairly for genuinely valuable advice — Jessica finds free recommendations get ignored, because owners with no skin in the game rarely follow through or value the outcome. QUOTES "You can't be everything to everyone all the time, and when you try to do that you're nothing to no one." "I went to my veterinarian and said this is what I'm doing, how can I balance it, and she looked at me and said: I don't know, maybe add some tomatoes." "You have pet stores with better nutritional knowledge than the vet." "You can't patent eat uterus, you can't patent take dandelion root." HOST BIO Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivalled by few. Clayton has been the spearhead of many of the industry's changes and has introduced numerous new concepts to market with a trail of success behind him. He has worked in numerous countries within the pet industry, speaks four different languages and has established both import and export relationships on all continents (excluding Antarctica). As well as being COO of one of the UKs fastest growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals. https://www.linkedin.com/in/clayton-payne-a6772244/ https://www.tiktok.com/@petbusinessdisruptors https://www.youtube.com/@PetBusinessDisruptors This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/
June 1 · 1 hr 17 min
From Conventional Vet to Holistic Rebel with Dr Andrew Jones
When the traditional system tries to box you in, sometimes the only option is to forge your own path. This conversation dives deep into what happens behind the closed doors of modern veterinary clinics, exploring the intense regulatory pressures that force practitioners down a strict pharmaceutical route long before alternative options can even be considered. From leading a small-town dog protest to facing an astronomical corporate fine for sharing home remedies online, the journey from conventional clinic life to building a massive digital community is packed with eye-opening truths. Discover the unexpected, science-backed power of everyday staples like slippery elm, local honey, and medicinal mushrooms for tackling stubborn ear infections, acid reflux, and chronic inflammation. It is a candid look at the delicate balance between managing a profitable pet business and empowering owners with accessible, holistic health choices that put animal wellness first. Key Takeaways Traditional veterinary frameworks heavily restrict practitioners, often mandating that specific pharmaceutical drugs are prescribed first before any natural or alternative treatments can legally be offered to patients. Sharing honest critiques of corporate pet food funding and advocating for affordable home remedies can lead to massive professional backlash and heavy regulatory fines from veterinary colleges. Building an online presence through raw, educational video content can create a powerful feedback loop, allowing direct communication with pet parents to develop highly targeted, effective natural supplements. Simple, natural remedies like slippery elm for digestive issues, green tea for ear infections, and raw honey for bladder issues frequently offer safer, highly effective alternatives to harsh conventional drugs. The shift toward corporate ownership in the veterinary medicine sector has fundamentally transformed clinics into high-pressure business environments focused on transaction margins and diagnostics. Quotes You sure can't be critical of other veterinarians you can't use the word affordable. If you've got a holistic product then no you're not allowed to use that you have to use what they tell you to use. I felt that in these newsletters i'll just be a little bit more honest and open. The more we can do to sort of yeah not do that the better and and look i think the internet age has changed that because there is people like you out there. It's coordinating a whole bunch of body systems working way better and yeah and there's less pain and inflammation. HOST BIO Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivalled by few. Clayton has been the spearhead of many of the industry's changes and has introduced numerous new concepts to market with a trail of success behind him. He has worked in numerous countries within the pet industry, speaks four different languages and has established both import and export relationships on all continents (excluding Antarctica). As well as being COO of one of the UKs fastest growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals. https://www.linkedin.com/in/clayton-payne-a6772244/ https://www.tiktok.com/@petbusinessdisruptors https://www.youtube.com/@PetBusinessDisruptors This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/
May 25 · 1 hr 12 min
From Traditional Cook Island Roots to Modern Joint Mobility Support
When a traditional remedy defies standard pharmaceutical paradigms, it turns heads—and when it works wonders on pets, it changes lives forever. We sit down to explore the incredible journey of a transdermal extract derived from traditional Cook Island remedies. Originally developed for human bone and soft tissue repair, this unique blend of hibiscus and coconut oil has created an entirely new category in animal care. The formula acts systemically to coordinate cellular healing, leading to remarkable pain reduction and mobility improvements. With no placebos in the animal kingdom, the undeniable results have seen the product rapidly expand across American veterinary practices. Discover the science, the ancestral heritage, and the undeniable passion driving this natural healing revolution. Key Takeaways The formula is a natural transdermal product consisting solely of a specific hibiscus extract and coconut oil. Rather than supplying stem cells or specific pharmaceutical markers, the extract appears to coordinate the repair process amongst existing cells. Efficacy is highly visible in the animal space because pets cannot experience a placebo effect, providing authentic proof of reduced pain and increased mobility. Securing global patents involved overcoming international objections by providing clear traditional knowledge and robust preclinical data. The company's massive growth in the US market has been driven by grassroots education and direct partnerships with integrative veterinarians. Quotes "We aren't actually injecting or specifically activating stem cells it just seems to coordinate healing." "The animals there is no such thing as placebo with animal right dogs cats horses whatever it may be they're either good or they're not." "It would be a bit like everyone going in and putting out a fire where they all randomly grab a bucket." "We are like a last ditch effort and you know it just works is what we say." "The older you get and the more mature your tissues are the less well coordinated they repair." HOST BIO Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivalled by few. Clayton has been the spearhead of many of the industry's changes and has introduced numerous new concepts to market with a trail of success behind him. He has worked in numerous countries within the pet industry, speaks four different languages and has established both import and export relationships on all continents (excluding Antarctica). As well as being COO of one of the UKs fastest growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals. https://www.linkedin.com/in/clayton-payne-a6772244/ https://www.tiktok.com/@petbusinessdisruptors https://www.youtube.com/@PetBusinessDisruptors This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/
May 17 · 1 hr 4 min
Why "Human Grade" is the Most Meaningless Claim in Pet Food
Ever wondered why every bag of cat litter now says "senior" or why "human grade" meat is often just industrial hamburger? Jordan Tyler joins the show to strip away the glossy marketing and get real about the science of pet food. We explore the "Me Too" mimicry of global pet expos and the frustrating lack of transparency regarding processing aids like carrageenan that never make it onto the label. This episode tackles the tough questions: Is synthetic nutrition actually more sustainable than "natural" sourcing? Why are producers afraid to talk about specific meat cuts? From the black box of US recycling to the exciting future of cellular longevity, this conversation is a must-listen for anyone tired of being "blitzed" by marketing spiel. It’s time to move past the natural buzzwords and focus on the systemic challenges facing pet health today. KEY TAKEAWAYS Most pet food innovation is actually "marketing innovation," where brands add labels like "Senior" to standard products without changing the underlying formulation. The term "human grade" is legally complex; to be genuine, every ingredient and the facility itself must meet human standards, but many brands use "sourced from" as a linguistic loophole. Industrial pet food often uses emulsifiers and processing aids that aren't required to be listed on the label, obscuring how the product is actually manufactured. Average home-cooked pet meals often lack the bacterial safety standards and nutritional consistency of professional industrial production, risking long-term pet health. True innovation is shifting toward "high-alignment" products like venison blood powder and a deeper focus on cellular longevity and functional whole foods. QUOTES "Pet food is 90% marketing, 10% reality." "Human grade is the same as pet food grade... it's the most meaningless claim ever." "Just because something sounds better doesn’t mean it necessarily is... arsenic is pretty natural." "We naturally take it, stick it through a processor... and pump it into little pellets. It's highway robbery." "Our passion needs to meet demand. Are there enough people demanding this thing that you're so passionate about?" HOST BIO Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivalled by few. Clayton has been the spearhead of many of the industry's changes and has introduced numerous new concepts to market with a trail of success behind him. He has worked in numerous countries within the pet industry, speaks four different languages and has established both import and export relationships on all continents (excluding Antarctica). As well as being COO of one of the UKs fastest growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals. https://www.linkedin.com/in/clayton-payne-a6772244/ https://www.tiktok.com/@petbusinessdisruptors https://www.youtube.com/@PetBusinessDisruptors This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/
May 10 · 1 hr
From Insurance Agent to Freeze-Drying Innovator with Ashton Hood
It isn’t every day you meet an insurance agent who decides to trade the office for a goat farm, only to end up building his own freeze-drying machinery from the ground up. Ashton Hood of Shepherd Boy Farms joins the show to share how a chance encounter with raw goat milk transformed his family’s agricultural roots into a high-tech pet food powerhouse. We explore the grit required to dismantle and rebuild complex machinery when "sight unseen" purchases go wrong and why controlling every step of production—from dicing to third-party lab testing—is the secret to outperforming mass-produced brands. Whether it is the ethical sourcing of alligator and lobster or the strategic decision to stick by independent brick-and-mortar stores, this conversation is a masterclass in staying lean, staying grounded, and out-innovating the competition. Key Takeaways Success in the pet industry often comes from solving your own problems, much like how raw goat milk cleared up a family dog's tear stains in just seven days. Bootstrapping a business forces an intimate understanding of the process; learning to build freeze-dryers from scratch turned a technical hurdle into a massive competitive advantage. Freeze-drying is far more complex than simple dehydration, requiring precise control over ice crystal structures to maintain 97% of the original raw nutrition. A dual strategy of high-quality co-manufacturing alongside a dedicated brand can fund growth without the need for diluting ownership through outside investment. Protecting independent retailers by controlling Amazon presence and avoiding big-box "price wars" builds a loyal, educated customer base that values quality over a cheap price tag. Quotes "I have this expensive piece of machinery that is worthless at this point... I’m going to take this thing apart and I’m going to put it back together and I will figure it out." "It’s not just the quality of meat. It’s also about the whole processing angle of it." "We built slow, we built a really good foundation... I think we’re in a good spot to where we will withstand that cycle whenever it comes." "Service is a thing of the past anymore... have the best service out there, have a good price, a fair price, and have the best product." "You can’t put freeze-dried on the shelf and expect it to sell sitting next to a bag of doesn’t matter what... they have to be educated." HOST BIO Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivalled by few. Clayton has been the spearhead of many of the industry's changes and has introduced numerous new concepts to market with a trail of success behind him. He has worked in numerous countries within the pet industry, speaks four different languages and has established both import and export relationships on all continents (excluding Antarctica). As well as being COO of one of the UKs fastest growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals. https://www.linkedin.com/in/clayton-payne-a6772244/ https://www.tiktok.com/@petbusinessdisruptors https://www.youtube.com/@PetBusinessDisruptors This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/
May 4 · 1 hr 29 min
Navigating Global Pet Markets: Distributor Secrets with Shane Bartlett
In this episode, Clayton interviews Shane Bartlett, Head of Sales and Senior VP at Teutonics. They explore Shane's unconventional career path, from a New Zealand carpet factory to teaching English in 1990s Poland, and how it shaped his sales philosophy. Shane shares his entry into the pet industry after discovering raw feeding for his Border Collie, Enzo, in 2009. KEY TAKEAWAYS Distributors provide access, not brand building: Relying solely on a distributor to sell a product is a misconception. Brands must educate retailers and create demand themselves. The power of the "secondary reason": In sales, having a casual reason to be in a store, like buying a toy for a dog, breaks the ice better than a direct cold pitch. Trade show strategies must evolve: Showing up to massive events like Global Pet Expo without pre-booked meetings and a clear strategy is a fast way to burn through a budget. Teaching English translates to sales: Shane's years teaching English as a second language using a question-based method translated perfectly into consultative sales techniques. Veterinary clinic conflict of interest: There is a notable conflict of interest when veterinary clinics, acting as health authorities, push highly processed kibble for profit. BEST MOMENTS "I think a large part of sales is asking the right questions, being a good listener, and being involved in that discussion." "I would say it's comparatively easy to sell in. It's much, much harder to sell out. That's where the rubber hits the road." "I think there is always a misconception that distributors are going to build the market for you." "They make the market accessible, make it easy for you to get into the market, but you still have to have the boots on the ground with the stores." "Raw food's the best thing you can do for a dog." "Have you ever seen a dog cook its food?" "I ain't got time to sell your shit." "If I really like it, I will, but you're relying on me to really like your product 'cause I have a warehouse full of shit here." HOST BIO Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivalled by few. Clayton has been the spearhead of many of the industry's changes and has introduced numerous new concepts to market with a trail of success behind him. He has worked in numerous countries within the pet industry, speaks four different languages and has established both import and export relationships on all continents (excluding Antarctica). As well as being COO of one of the UKs fastest growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals. https://www.linkedin.com/in/clayton-payne-a6772244/ https://www.tiktok.com/@petbusinessdisruptors https://www.youtube.com/@PetBusinessDisruptors This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/
April 27 · 1 hr 2 min
QuailOS: How One Entrepreneur is Automating the Poultry Industry
In this episode, Clayton sits down with Christian Greninger, the founder of Undique.us and QuailOS.com. Christian shares his fascinating transition from working as an IT engineer in Ireland to building a nationwide network of 14 quail farms across 10 US states. He discusses how neighborhood restrictions on chickens led him to raise quails, which eventually blossomed into a thriving business creating single-ingredient dog treats and cat toys. KEY TAKEAWAYS Turn a hobby into an enterprise: Christian originally started raising quails simply to have fresh eggs when chickens weren't allowed in his neighborhood, which organically scaled into a massive pet treat business. Adopt a zero-waste approach: Undique.us ensures no part of the animal is wasted by using the meat and eggs for dog treats, feathers and wings for cat toys, and the waste for organic garden fertilizer. Automate your compliance: Drawing on his IT background, Christian built QuailOS to automate the tedious National Poultry Improvement Plan reporting, turning 6,000 minutes of manual paperwork into a single click. Create unique educational revenue streams: Beyond standard pet treats, Christian expanded his business with "Rent-A-Hatch". This service provides families and schools with incubators and eggs for a hands-on hatching experience. Build a collaborative network: Instead of operating entirely alone, Christian built a collaborative network of 14 farms to efficiently fulfill nationwide orders and support other rural agricultural businesses. HOST BIO Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivalled by few. Clayton has been the spearhead of many of the industry's changes and has introduced numerous new concepts to market with a trail of success behind him. He has worked in numerous countries within the pet industry, speaks four different languages and has established both import and export relationships on all continents (excluding Antarctica). As well as being COO of one of the UKs fastest growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals. https://www.linkedin.com/in/clayton-payne-a6772244/ https://www.tiktok.com/@petbusinessdisruptors https://www.youtube.com/@PetBusinessDisruptors This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/
April 20 · 1 hr 14 min
Disrupting the Small Pet Market with HayPigs!
In this episode, Clayton sits down with Rik Cridland, the founder of HayPigs!. Rik shares his journey from studying industrial design and creating film merchandise to revolutionizing the small pet market. After rescuing two guinea pigs with his wife, Rik realized the pet industry lacked fun, high-quality, and colorful products specifically for small animals. KEY TAKEAWAYS Rik founded HayPigs! after noticing that small animal products in pet shops were often dull and lacked the creativity commonly seen in dog and cat toys. Instead of catering to all pets, HayPigs! chose to champion guinea pigs, proving that specializing in a specific niche can build a highly dedicated customer base. Rik explains the difficulties of getting niche products into large retail stores and the benefits of selling directly to consumers through their own platform. Applying his background in industrial design and promotional merchandise, Rik focuses on creating products that are not just functional but also visually appealing, memorable, and fun. Engaging directly with guinea pig owners and creating shared experiences has been a crucial element of the brand's growth and long-term survival. BEST MOMENTS "I've always been a sponge for learning and when I stopped learning I probably get itchy feet." "I'm going to champion the little guys 'cause no one's done guinea pigs and I don't understand why, maybe the market's too small." "The worst thing you can be is a generalist." "There's only one value to products and ideas and that's sales at the end of the day." "You can think you've got it right, you can think it's really easy, you can think you've done your research and tested it with people, but until you get it out there with the great public, you don't get the feedback completely." HOST BIO Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivalled by few. Clayton has been the spearhead of many of the industry's changes and has introduced numerous new concepts to market with a trail of success behind him. He has worked in numerous countries within the pet industry, speaks four different languages and has established both import and export relationships on all continents (excluding Antarctica). As well as being COO of one of the UKs fastest growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals. https://www.linkedin.com/in/clayton-payne-a6772244/ https://www.tiktok.com/@petbusinessdisruptors https://www.youtube.com/@PetBusinessDisruptors This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/
April 13 · 54 min
The Freelance Vet: Ibra Hernando’s High-Stakes Bet on the Future of Vets
In this episode, Clayton is joined by Ibra Hernando, a veterinary surgeon turned entrepreneur and the CEO of Ronda. vet. Ibra shares the why behind his transition from the operating table to the tech world, highlighting the massive inefficiencies and high costs associated with traditional veterinary recruitment agencies. We dive deep into how Ronda. vet is acting as the Uber for locums, providing a transparent, review-based marketplace that connects practices and freelancers in seconds rather than days. KEY TAKEAWAYS Traditional agencies often charge surcharges between 30% and 50%, making temporary staffing prohibitively expensive for practices while offering little transparency to the locums themselves. By removing the middleman, Ronda. vet has streamlined the recruitment process to the point where a practice can post a shift and have it filled in as little as 42 seconds. Unlike traditional models, a two-way review system introduces accountability, ensuring that both the practice and the locum are treated fairly and perform to high standards. The veterinary industry is seeing a massive shift toward "locuming" as a way to combat burnout, allowing vets to control their schedules and take extended breaks. Ibra and his partner chose to sell their house to self-fund Ronda. vet, choosing to bet on their vision for the industry rather than immediate personal stability. BEST MOMENTS "Nowadays, in 2026, we get everything through apps... and suddenly the locum work was left behind." "Every time there’s a middleman, everything gets a little bit slower... and everything becomes more expensive." "The probability of success of a marketplace... is 0.01%. Luckily we didn’t know this before starting the business." "We sold the house... so basically the house has gone into Ronda. Now our house is Ronda." "I used to give to myself three months of holidays every year when I was a locum. And like this, I was very happy." HOST BIO Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivalled by few. Clayton has been the spearhead of many of the industry's changes and has introduced numerous new concepts to market with a trail of success behind him. He has worked in numerous countries within the pet industry, speaks four different languages and has established both import and export relationships on all continents (excluding Antarctica). As well as being COO of one of the UKs fastest growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals. https://www.linkedin.com/in/clayton-payne-a6772244/ https://www.tiktok.com/@petbusinessdisruptors https://www.youtube.com/@PetBusinessDisruptors This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/
April 5 · 43 min
From Medicine to Marketplaces: The Jo Proud Story
Today, Clayton is joined by Jo Proud, the visionary founder of PetAttics. Jo shares her remarkable journey from a career in medicine to becoming an award-winning entrepreneur. She discusses the inspiration behind her first global success, MoodBears, and her experience receiving investment from all five dragons on Dragons' Den. The conversation then shifts to her latest venture, PetAttics, a specialised digital marketplace designed specifically for pet owners to buy, sell, and recycle pet-related items. KEY TAKEAWAYS Jo highlights how her Dragons' Den investors provided crucial high-level contacts, such as a direct line to major retail buyers, which transformed her business overnight. Moving from a physical inventory model (MoodBears) to a tech-based platform (PetAttics) requires a different mindset, focusing on digital marketing and user acquisition rather than warehouse management. PetAttics was born from a desire to reduce waste, allowing owners to recycle high-quality pet gear that would otherwise end up in landfills. While giants like eBay and Amazon dominate general sales, Jo believes a dedicated, community-focused platform for pet lovers offers a superior, more browsable user experience. Jo and Clayton discuss the modern necessity of using tools like ChatGPT and social media reels to maintain a consistent and engaging brand presence without burning out. BEST MOMENTS "I wanted to get eyeballs on this business to help children with mental health issues, to help adults, to help anybody that needed a smile." "Deborah Meaden cc’d me in the same toy buyer from Asda, within 30 seconds I had a response." "PetAttics is very much like a Vinted, but for pets, dogs, cats, and any animal-related items." "In the tech world, you’re either the dominant force or you’re dead in the water." "You shouldn’t be posting the same on one page that you post on a different page, every social site needs something different to get that traction." HOST BIO Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivalled by few. Clayton has been the spearhead of many of the industry's changes and has introduced numerous new concepts to market with a trail of success behind him. He has worked in numerous countries within the pet industry, speaks four different languages and has established both import and export relationships on all continents (excluding Antarctica). As well as being COO of one of the UKs fastest growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals. https://www.linkedin.com/in/clayton-payne-a6772244/ https://www.tiktok.com/@petbusinessdisruptors https://www.youtube.com/@PetBusinessDisruptors This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/
March 29 · 1 hr 2 min
Saving the Planet One Drink at a Time: The Story of Totoniks
Clayton is joined by Geoff Bowers, the founder of Totoniks. Geoff shares his fascinating journey, from his early career as a military and police dog trainer in Manchester to becoming a pioneer in the raw pet food industry in New Zealand. He discusses his deep passion for dog welfare and the scientific research that led him to discover the critical importance of blood and hydration in a dog's diet. Geoff also talks candidly about the challenges of fast business growth, his transition from K9 Natural to founding Totonics, and his commitment to creating the best possible nutrition for pets while prioritizing environmental sustainability. KEY TAKEAWAYS Blood is a nutrient-dense ingredient that contains essential vitamins, minerals, and growth factors like IGF-1, which are often missing from standard pet diets. A dog's sense of smell is significantly improved when they are properly hydrated and have a moist nose, which is best achieved through wet food or nutrient-rich drinks. Fast-expanding businesses often require significant cash flow and careful management to avoid the risk of bankruptcy, a lesson Geoff learned through his experience with K9 Natural. Totoniks focuses on eco-friendly practices, including using recyclable glass bottles and a spray-drying method for their products to reduce shipping weight and environmental impact. Scientific research shows that dogs are highly intelligent, can learn a vast vocabulary, and primarily communicate through body language. BEST MOMENTS "Nature provides the best food on the planet. Everything we do as a human destroys that." "Blood grows every living cell in your body. It is such a nutrient-dense product that it's shameful that we are throwing it away." "Saving the planet one drink at a time. Your dog is wired to drink blood." "I knew my dogs were way more intelligent than me. And I say that, and I mean it. It's true. They are superhuman, seriously, in their capabilities." "One of the taglines I've got is... saving the planet one drink at a time." HOST BIO Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivalled by few. Clayton has been the spearhead of many of the industry's changes and has introduced numerous new concepts to market with a trail of success behind him. He has worked in numerous countries within the pet industry, speaks four different languages and has established both import and export relationships on all continents (excluding Antarctica). As well as being COO of one of the UKs fastest growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals. https://www.linkedin.com/in/clayton-payne-a6772244/ https://www.tiktok.com/@petbusinessdisruptors https://www.youtube.com/@PetBusinessDisruptors This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/
March 23 · 59 min
Beyond Synthetics: Why Bioavailability Matters for Your Pet
In this episode, Clayton sits down with William Grand, the visionary CEO and founder of NutraFusion. William shares the fascinating journey of his company, which began in 2008 with a mission to replace low-quality synthetic vitamins in pet food with highly bioavailable nutrients derived directly from fresh fruits and vegetables. William explains their unique dehydration and isolation technology, the economic realities of premium ingredients, and why their ‘family-first’ virtual business model is the secret to their success. KEY TAKEAWAYS Unlike synthetic vitamins which are often poorly absorbed, NutraFusion’s plant-based nutrients are designed for maximum bio-absorption, particularly suited for a dog’s short intestinal tract. NutraFusion uses a specialised technology to isolate and concentrate nutrients (like Vitamin D from sunlight-exposed mushrooms), allowing manufacturers to add massive nutritional value with a very small physical footprint. Most traditional pet foods use man-made chemicals (synthetics) to meet regulatory standards. William argues that while these are cheap, they lack the actual performance and health benefits of natural isolates. Since 2008, NutraFusion has operated as a virtual company, outsourcing manufacturing and logistics while employing a lean, highly disciplined remote team across the US Many pet food companies use NutraFusion but keep it a secret under NDAs to maintain a competitive advantage in health claims and performance. BEST MOMENTS "Synthetics are man-made chemicals. They look good and sound good, but they don’t perform. 90% to 95% is going down the drain." "We define our business as an ingredient company. I'd rather sell a company 5,000 pounds of our product than have 50,000 customers who eventually use 5,000 pounds." "The pet industry is different. It's all about the health and welfare of the animal. That was very refreshing compared to the human side." "If you’ve got a child’s soccer game at 3:00 in the afternoon, you don’t even have to ask. Family comes first." "We are not over-promising and under-delivering. Our product is absorbed in a dog within the first 20 minutes of them eating." HOST BIO Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivalled by few. Clayton has been the spearhead of many of the industry's changes and has introduced numerous new concepts to market with a trail of success behind him. He has worked in numerous countries within the pet industry, speaks four different languages and has established both import and export relationships on all continents (excluding Antarctica). As well as being COO of one of the UKs fastest growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals. https://www.linkedin.com/in/clayton-payne-a6772244/ https://www.tiktok.com/@petbusinessdisruptors https://www.youtube.com/@PetBusinessDisruptors This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/