Off the Grid: Leaving Social Media

🌈 Attention is for Everyone — Inventing New Forms & Why the Emergency Was Curiosity with Christie George

This week, I'm thrilled to be joined by investor, producer, and writer Christie George. She's here discuss attention as care and her book report project: The Emergency Was Curiosity. Together we have a conversation about the role of art in our lives as we explore: Why gratitude is fundamental for working artists Book reports as attentional structures Living archives as artistic practices How social media killed Amelia’s journalling practice What it means to be in conversation with a work of art Turning a book project into a gallery exhibition & event series A defense of non-monetized creative projects Attention as a collective care practice Expanding flow states to include others Diversifying the attention discourse RESOURCES + LINKS 👋 Download the FREE Leaving Social Media Toolkit 🌐 Get on the Interweb waitlist for creative business courses + community 💓 Join the Clubhouse for exclusive bonus episodes + emails ⭐️ Looking for creative inspiration? Get Kevin Chung's new book We Are All Creative for 52 weeks of small shifts at weareallcreative.com

🌀 How to Use Intuitive Tools with Integrity — with Verena Borell, Sarah Arantza-Amador & Natasha Levinger

Happy almost-Halloween/Samhein, friends! In honor of the season, today I’m sharing a very special community conversation on intuitive integrity and creative/business practice. I’m joined by Verena Borell, Sarah Arantza-Amador, and Natasha Levinger — as we originally recorded this for a panel at our spring astro summit. This episode is for intuitive practitioners who want to build better boundaries with clients, creative people seeking spiritual support, and anyone who’s curious about modalities like astrology, tarot, and energy healing. If you like this one, you might also enjoy: 3 Magical Rituals to Transform Your Business — with Brigitte, Cecily Sailor & Ash Canty Reclaiming Your Magic Online & Offline — with Casey Zabala of Modern Witches Be With Your Body — Tarot Guidance & Embodiment in Creative Business with Sarah-Jane Chapman RESOURCES + LINKS 👋 Download the FREE Leaving Social Media Toolkit 🌐 Get on the Interweb waitlist for creative business courses + community 💓 Join the Clubhouse for exclusive bonus episodes + emails ⭐️ Looking for creative inspiration? Get Kevin Chung's new book We Are All Creative for 52 weeks of small shifts at weareallcreative.com

🏹 Be With Your Body — Tarot Guidance & Embodiment in Creative Business with Sarah-Jane Chapman

This week, Sarah Jane Chapman joins me on the podcast to get magical with her deck & business: Be With Your Body. We explore the business of tarot AND the magical practice of tarot, as we discuss Sarah Jane’s business ecosystem and the cards guiding her through the fall. Tune in to hear about: Why we love tarot and how we got into reading cards Sarah Jane’s Body Metta practice What it really takes to create a tarot deck A best-case-scenario for biz partnership dissolution How Sarah Jane manages her business with products, services, online & IRL offerings Whether or not tarot decks are really profitable… Suggestions for pulling cards & tarot spreads for business decisions The perks of being a tarot beginner & working with different decks Sarah Jane's favorite tarot cards for this fall's Venus Retrograde ⭐️ Off the Grid listeners get 25% off the Be With Your Body Tarot Deck and the Autumn Ritual Planner! Learn more + buy here: https://www.bewithyourbody.com/off-the-grid (sponsored) RESOURCES + LINKS 👋 Download the FREE Leaving Social Media Toolkit 🌐 Get on the Interweb waitlist for creative business courses + community 💓 Join the Clubhouse for exclusive bonus episodes + emails ⭐️ Looking for creative inspiration? Get Kevin Chung's new book We Are All Creative for 52 weeks of small shifts at weareallcreative.com

🔒 How to Price When You Already Have Enough Money

After my episode on pricing with Bear Hebert, I got a question from a listener that went something like this— "How do you price yourself and your services when you already have enough money? In my case, my spouse has a very good job, so we don’t need an income from me. But I am also a creative, a gatherer, a podcaster, a stay-at-home parent, and lots more. I do these things because I love them, and I could do them for free and not charge... but is that the right / anti-capitalist answer? Help!" I think this is an important position to talk about! So in this episode, I walk through: How to think about money when you already have enough Surviving vs thriving budgets & calculating a new enough number Ideas on redistribution & recirculating profits Accounting for privilege without panicking about it Ecosystem-tending through comparative pricing Tune in to an episode preview here, and become a paid subscriber of the Clubhouse at offthegrid.fun/clubhouse to get all the $$$ details. 👇 👇 👇 👇 When you join the Clubhouse, you'll get access to over 60 bonus episodes (and counting), curated tech + creative business newsletters, and more. Plus your own private podcast feed, comments threads, and behind-the-scenes updates on the show. Please join the Clubhouse to support the show! And find this specific episode here :) RESOURCES + LINKS 👋 Download the FREE Leaving Social Media Toolkit 🌐 Get on the Interweb waitlist for creative business courses + community 💓 Join the Clubhouse for exclusive bonus episodes + emails

🌾 The Deep Work (& Rest) of Leaving Social Media — with Ashley Neese

In 2019, Ashley Neese had a bestselling book, a thriving breathwork practice, a new baby, and 30k Instagram followers. Now seven years later, she’s left social media and moved away from the world of wellness™️ entirely. In this conversation, we chart Ashley’s journey from being an influencer in the 2010s LA wellness scene to becoming a parent who refuses to perform wellness when she doesn’t feel well. Together, we unpack the insidious logic of early influencer culture: that the more you post, the more followers you’ll get — and the more followers you get, the more you matter. Then we step away from all that and make space for what can come through when you heal your worthiness wounds. This episode was recorded in fall 2025 for paid Clubhouse supporters and this new edit is being shared with all listeners now. If you’d like to hear more conversations like this, please support the show today. RESOURCES + LINKS 👋 Download the FREE Leaving Social Media Toolkit 🌐 Get on the Interweb waitlist for creative business courses + community 💓 Join the Clubhouse for exclusive bonus episodes + emails ⭐️ Looking for creative inspiration? Get Kevin Chung's new book We Are All Creative for 52 weeks of small shifts at weareallcreative.com

📨 Dispatches from a Tiny List — How to Make Money with Under 500 Subscribers with Podge Thomas

This might be the most real-talk, behind-the-scenes, high-key-giggly, low-key-chaos episode I’ve ever recorded. 👀 Today, Podge Thomas returns to the show for the third time to talk about building a business with a tiny email list. We tell you: Exactly how many subscribers are on our email lists The difference between marketing our 1:1 and 1:many businesses Building the courage & self-trust to take big swings How we really feel about unsubscribes What to do when a launch “fails” Audience growth strategies and what’s working for us right now Living in the present and the future with your business ⭐️ If you enjoy this conversation, join Podge and I at our FREE workshop on October 30th. RSVP for: How to Build a Creative Marketing Plan in Notion & send the link to your friends! RESOURCES + LINKS 👋 Download the FREE Leaving Social Media Toolkit 🌐 Get on the Interweb waitlist for creative business courses + community 💓 Join the Clubhouse for exclusive bonus episodes + emails ⭐️ Looking for creative inspiration? Get Kevin Chung's new book We Are All Creative for 52 weeks of small shifts at weareallcreative.com

🔒 How to Make the Leap to Full-Time — My Path & 3 Examples from $10k/year to $100k/year

Today's paid-supporter-exclusive episode answers the most popular query from our summer AMA: "I've been working on my business for a few years now, but I'm still not making full-time income from this work. How do I make the jump from $10-$20k per year to $50-$100k per year?" This is a nuanced question and different for every business owner! So in this episode, I do a few things to make sense of it: First, I walk you through my journey from 10k to 100k annual revenue (exact numbers and timeline included) 🧮 Then I talk about the essential mindset and habit shifts needed to go from part-time to full-time 🧱 And finally, I talk through three examples how I would make that leap if I were a book editor, spiritual teacher, or creative coach 📈 Tune in to an episode preview here, and become a paid subscriber of the Clubhouse at offthegrid.fun/clubhouse to get all the $$$ details. 👇 👇 👇 👇 When you join the Clubhouse, you'll get access to over 50 bonus episodes (and counting), curated tech + creative business newsletters, and more. Plus your own private podcast feed, comments threads, and behind-the-scenes updates on the show. Please join the Clubhouse to support the show! And find this specific episode here :) RESOURCES + LINKS 👋 Download the FREE Leaving Social Media Toolkit 🌐 Get on the Interweb waitlist for creative business courses + community 💓 Join the Clubhouse for exclusive bonus episodes + emails

👛 Anti-Capitalist Business in This Economy — How to Set Your Prices & Offer Financial Accessibility with Bear Hebert

Bear Hebert is here on Off the Grid! And they’ve arrived to bust capitalist myths, teach us how to price, and unpack the nuance of financial accessibility. Tune in, as we discuss: Why business doesn’t have to be capitalist Busting the money myths our inner punk teenagers tell us Getting rid of the girlboss in your head (and on your feed) Why ‘charging your worth’ is inherently problematic How to figure out the right rates + pricing for your business model Bear’s recommended financial accessibility strategies The importance of transparency in marketing + sales Exactly how Bear talks about money on sales calls Ways to survive a bad economy Identifying your ‘apocalypse skills’ for business resilience in 2026 + beyond This conversation is a GIFT! And I’m so thrilled to share it with you. If you enjoy it, definitely go get Bear’s anti-capitalist pricing workshop Freely. RESOURCES + LINKS 👋 Download the FREE Leaving Social Media Toolkit 🌐 Get on the Interweb waitlist for creative business courses + community 💓 Join the Clubhouse for exclusive bonus episodes + emails ⭐️ Looking for creative inspiration? Get Kevin Chung's new book We Are All Creative for 52 weeks of small shifts at weareallcreative.com

🔒 My Q3 Biz Recap — Highs, Lows & How Much $$ I Made

Join me as I convince myself it's ok to raise my prices 😬 In this quarterly recap episode, I walk through the highs, lows, and finances of Softer Sounds & Off the Grid so far this year... And I figure out how to make the money work as I officially close Softer Sounds and raise the price of the Interweb for 2027! Tune in to an episode preview here, and become a paid subscriber of the Clubhouse at offthegrid.fun/clubhouse to get all the $$$ details. 👇 👇 👇 👇 When you join the Clubhouse, you'll get access to over 50 bonus episodes (and counting), curated tech + creative business newsletters, and more. Plus your own private podcast feed, comments threads, and behind-the-scenes updates on the show. Please join the Clubhouse to support the show! And find this specific episode here :) RESOURCES + LINKS 👋 Download the FREE Leaving Social Media Toolkit 🌐 Get on the Interweb waitlist for creative business courses + community 💓 Join the Clubhouse for exclusive bonus episodes + emails

🧢 Be Your Own Daddy — Energetic Sovereignty & Creative Constraints with Catherine LaSota

This week we’re debuting our new brand! And rolling the metaphorical tape allllll the way back to the beginning of the show to revisit energetic sovereignty through a new lens. To do that, I’m joined by creative coach Catherine LaSota who’s here to teach us how to “be your own daddy” AKA ways to cultivate energetic sovereignty in your work and life. Together we discuss: What “Be Your Own Daddy” really means Saturnian influences on our energy + creativity How to make aligned choices within constraints Cultivating the permission to radically change our lives Ways to move through our fears (+ experiences) of judgment Consistency and presence as gifts of this work ⭐️ If you enjoy this episode, join me at Catherine's next Be Your Own Daddy retreat on October 23rd! Or grab her free Design Your Daddy workshop here. RESOURCES + LINKS 👋 Download the FREE Leaving Social Media Toolkit 🌐 Get on the Interweb waitlist for creative business courses + community 💓 Join the Clubhouse for exclusive bonus episodes + emails ⭐️ Looking for creative inspiration? Get Kevin Chung's new book We Are All Creative for 52 weeks of small shifts at weareallcreative.com

♾️ Foraging for What’s Next — Creative Seasons & Why the Internet’s So Boring Now with Nic Antoinette

Nic Antoinette is back on the pod this week as we continue our year-long series around enoughness, grief, and deep evolution. This time, we’re focused on creative burnout, seasonality in business, and why we find the internet so boring these days. If you haven’t listened to the series before, here are links to those episodes: ♾️ Business Degrowth — Slowing Down & Noticing Patterns ♾️ Well, That Didn’t Go As Planned… Grief, Joy & Money in 2026 ♾️ “You Needing Money Doesn't Make Stuff Sell” — Consistency & Collapse in Online Business ♾️ Take the Break Before the Break Takes You — Learning How to Pause & Quit And if this makes you want more biz friend community, check out the Interweb and put yourself on the waitlist before doors open next week! RESOURCES + LINKS 👋 Download the FREE Leaving Social Media Toolkit 🌐 Get on the Interweb waitlist for creative business courses + community 💓 Join the Clubhouse for exclusive bonus episodes + emails 🔥 Learn more about ad opportunities with Off the Grid ⭐️ Looking for creative inspiration? Get Kevin Chung's new book We Are All Creative for 52 weeks of small shifts at weareallcreative.com

🤠 Reinventing Yourself & Your Work — From Dog Trainer to Retail Store Owner to Business Strategist with Heather Bax

For the third and final installment in our business pivots + evolutions series, I’m talking to Heather Bax of Small Business Rodeo! Heather is a business advisor, human design reader, notion lover, and occasional artist. Her expertise spans decades of service, product, and brick & mortar small business stewardship, and she’s supported all kinds of creative businesses along the way. In this conversation, we explore: How self-employment journeys often begin in bad-fit jobs Why Heather & Amelia both took detours through coding bootcamps The benefits of a bridge job as you grow or change your business A quick checklist on how Heather started her retail shop (& you can too!) Why Heather had a full-time job for the first 8 months of running the store The realities of transitioning to e-commerce during COVID Hiring + grieving at the same time Leaning on the community of your business in hard times When quitting ISN’T failing How big changes in our work can impact our self-trust For the astro-curious, Heather is a 6/2 Projector and a Cancer Sun, Pisces Moon, and Gemini Rising. You can book a Human Designed Business Session with her and use code OFFTHEGRID for 10%! RESOURCES + LINKS 👋 Download the FREE Leaving Social Media Toolkit 🌐 Get on the Interweb waitlist for creative business courses + community 💓 Join the Clubhouse for exclusive bonus episodes + emails ⭐️ Looking for creative inspiration? Get Kevin Chung's new book We Are All Creative for 52 weeks of small shifts at weareallcreative.com

🌅 The Grief of Sunsetting a Business & The Joy of Being Multipassionate — with Chereen Leong Schwarz

Chereen Leong Schwarz is a founder, maker, outdoor adventurer, and rewilding guide. She’s a former chef who started a knitwear brand and then moved into creative retreats — after a period of prolonged grief. In this conversation, we dive deep into what pivoting really feels like as we explore: Chereen’s chef career from fine dining to farms How moving to Colorado spurred her love of knitting The realities of turning a hobby into a side hustle Specific ways to center your values in your business How multiple losses + a health crisis led Chereen through a transformative grief portal Different methods of building community in and around your business How to evolve when your work is wrapped up in your ego + identity The grief the comes when your industry changes and it hurts your business Why Chereen & Amelia both took sabbaticals before deciding to close their companies How we grapple with public opinions + projection as we share our work online RESOURCES + LINKS 👋 Download the FREE Leaving Social Media Toolkit 🌐 Get on the Interweb waitlist for creative business courses + community 💓 Join the Clubhouse for exclusive bonus episodes + emails ⭐️ Use this link to book a free 30-minute session with Chereen: https://calendar.app.google/UydiFHhcLgqzvNUr9 ⭐️ RSVP for the free workshop with Podge in October: https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/fTY89RN7TfS1grKD7Vs64g ⭐️ Looking for creative inspiration? Get Kevin Chung's new book We Are All Creative for 52 weeks of small shifts at weareallcreative.com

🔒 Why & How I Closed My Business — Letting Go of Softer Sounds

Softer Sounds is officially closed, my friends. And in this Clubhouse-exclusive episode, I'm telling you all about that journey. This one's mostly-personal and a-little-bit-logistical – heavy on story with a checklist at the end. Tune in to an episode preview here, and become a paid subscriber of the Clubhouse at offthegrid.fun/clubhouse to get all the details. 👇 👇 👇 👇 When you join the Clubhouse, you'll get access to over 50 bonus episodes (and counting), curated tech + creative business newsletters, and more. Plus your own private podcast feed, comments threads, and behind-the-scenes updates on the show. Please join the Clubhouse to support the show! And find this specific episode here :) RESOURCES + LINKS 👋 Download the FREE Leaving Social Media Toolkit 🌐 Get on the Interweb waitlist for creative business courses + community 💓 Join the Clubhouse for exclusive bonus episodes + emails

🪸 Seasons of Change in Self-Employment — Embracing Pivots & Destigmatizing Bankruptcy with Luca J. Davis

Today I’m joined by Luca J. Davis to talk about success, failure, and what 13 years of self-employment really entails. Together we explore: Luca’s path from health teacher to personal trainer How they opened a gym with a dream and a GoFundMe The radically honest reality of brick-and-mortar finances When filing for bankruptcy is the best choice for you & your biz Luca’s detour as a Virtual Assistant & how they started their web design business The systems that help them book our their services while marketing only once a year How Luca’s Substack walks the line between personal sharing & biz promotion ➡️ If you'd like to hire Luca for website support in 2026/2027, just mention Off the Grid for $200 off your package! RESOURCES + LINKS 👋 Download the FREE Leaving Social Media Toolkit 🌐 Get on the Interweb waitlist for creative business courses + community 💓 Join the Clubhouse for exclusive bonus episodes + emails ⭐️ Looking for creative inspiration? Get Kevin Chung's new book We Are All Creative for 52 weeks of small shifts at weareallcreative.com

🚩 Business Triage: What to Do When Your Biz Isn’t Working

Welcome to Season 11 of Off the Grid! This month, we're exploring strategies + stories of business pivots. Today we start with my business triage process. It's a checklist of things to consider when your business feels bad and/or isn't making enough money. Then for the next three weeks, we'll hear from business owners who have made major pivots in their self-employment journeys, including: quitting a dream job, filing for bankruptcy, closing a retail store, and more. Tune in for lots of support, camaraderie + inspiration. And check the links below for extra resources 👇 RESOURCES + LINKS 👋 Download the FREE Leaving Social Media Toolkit 🌐 Get on the Interweb waitlist for creative business courses + community 💓 Join the Clubhouse for exclusive bonus episodes + emails ⭐️ Looking for creative inspiration? Get Kevin Chung's new book We Are All Creative for 52 weeks of small shifts at weareallcreative.com

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Tune in for a quick reminder to join the Interweb waitlist before doors close on August 31st! If you do, I'll also tell you exactly what's coming to Off the Grid this fall... Because the show will be back with season 11 very soon! At least that's the plan! Thanks for being here, and I hope to see you in the Interweb. More soon xx RESOURCES + LINKS 👋 Download the FREE Leaving Social Media Toolkit 🌐 Get on the Interweb waitlist for creative business courses + community 💓 Join the Clubhouse for exclusive bonus episodes + emails

✳️ How to Refresh Your Ambition & Avoid Burnout in the Process — with Amina AlTai

Let's refresh our creative ambition before fall! Today we're wrapping our Back to Biz Refresh series with leadership expert Amina AlTai. Amina is the author of The Ambition Trap: How to Stop Chasing and Start Living. Together we discuss: What ambition actually is and why it's neutral How core wounds create painful ambition — even if you love what you do Ways to figure out if your ambition is helping or harming you Finding aliveness when you don't feel ambitious What it takes to stay in business through hard times RESOURCES + LINKS 👋 Download the FREE Leaving Social Media Toolkit 🌐 Get on the Interweb waitlist for creative business courses + community 💓 Join the Clubhouse for exclusive bonus episodes + emails ✏️ Looking for a planner that's about permission not perfection? Check out Nine to Kind. Get 50% off their digital planners with code OFFTHEGRID50 & 25% off analog products with code OFFTHEGRID25. Learn more & claim your discount at: https://www.ninetokind.com/pages/offthegrid (sponsored) ⭐️ Looking for creative inspiration? Get Kevin Chung's new book We Are All Creative for 52 weeks of small shifts at weareallcreative.com

💽 Set Up Your Tiny Biz Tech for $50/year or Less — My Guide to More Affordable Systems & Software

This episode is meant to save you money! Today, I’m sharing my guide to more affordable business systems and software that can help you set up online for under $50/year — or lower your overhead with strategic tool swaps. Tune in to hear my tech recommendations and how I think through software needs. Also: These recs don’t include Google! Some of them are privacy focused, others are not. Some include AI functionality, others do not. Most of them are based in the US. All prices mentioned in the episode were as of August 2026 and may change. ADDITIONAL SUPPORT Free Checklist For Tool Decisions from Asha Noel-Hart Free Simple Tech Stacks Field Guide from Heather Bax Join the Interweb for more tech support from Amelia RECOMMENDED TOOLS Namecheap for domain Carrd for website (affiliate link) Zoho for email inbox Sender or Email Octopus for email newsletter list Canva (free plan) for simple design needs Notion for internal systems and client docs/dashboards Zoom, Proton Meet, or Whereby (free plans) for video calls Tidycal for scheduling, paid bookings, and digital products Novo for free business banking and invoicing — Use my affiliate link to get $40 when you open and fund your new account Stripe for payment processing and invoicing Breezedoc for contracts and invoicing together RESOURCES + LINKS 👋 Download the FREE Leaving Social Media Toolkit 🌐 Get on the Interweb waitlist for creative business courses + community 💓 Join the Clubhouse for exclusive bonus episodes + emails ⭐️ Looking for creative inspiration? Get Kevin Chung's new book We Are All Creative for 52 weeks of small shifts at weareallcreative.com

💼 How to Refresh Your Office & Your Whole Work Vibe — with Taylor Apolonio

Today we're refreshing our offices with the wonderful Taylor Apolonio of Habitat Interiors Co. Taylor works at the intersection of interior design and psychology as a 'design psychologist'. They create physical spaces that are grounded in human behavior to genuinely support folks. This might look like improved circulation and functionality, better acoustics, or intentionally designing for gathering and memory-making. Tune in to this episode for tips on tapping into the purpose of your work space and improving the layout, acoustics, and visuals. And if you'd like Taylor's free list of 25+ low-lift recommendations that better support sensory overwhelm in your office, fill out this form with the message 'OFF THE GRID' ☺️ RESOURCES + LINKS 👋 Download the FREE Leaving Social Media Toolkit 🌐 Get on the Interweb waitlist for creative business courses + community 💓 Join the Clubhouse for exclusive bonus episodes + emails ✏️ Looking for a planner that's about permission not perfection? Check out Nine to Kind. Get 50% off their digital planners with code OFFTHEGRID50 & 25% off analog products with code OFFTHEGRID25. Learn more & claim your discount at: https://www.ninetokind.com/pages/offthegrid (sponsored) ⭐️ Looking for creative inspiration? Get Kevin Chung's new book We Are All Creative for 52 weeks of small shifts at weareallcreative.com