No One's Reading This

INMA

No One's Reading This is an INMA podcast, hosted by Kerstin Hasse, as part of the Young Audiences Initiative, supported by the Knight Foundation. Kerstin talks to media leaders, creators, and voices from outside the legacy news bubble about the one question everyone's trying to figure out: how do you actually reach younger and new audiences? Video strategies, podcast monetization, the creator economy, new revenue models — real conversations with people who are doing the work, and yes, sometimes a playbook or two.
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8 episodes
Updated July 21

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July 21 · 39 min
How to Stop Optimising for the Wrong Thing: Dmitry Shishkin on User Needs, Creators, and the AI Era
Dmitry Shishkin was once introduced on stage as the Godfather of User Needs. His reaction said everything about someone who started all of this with a practical question at the BBC in 2016: why have we stopped producing content that answers what audiences actually need? In this episode, Kerstin sits down with Dmitry Shiskin, independent media strategist and the mind behind the User Needs framework, to ask why legacy media is still losing ground a decade after the answer was hiding in plain sight. The Digital News Report 2026 just confirmed what the User Needs model has been arguing for a decade: audiences know exactly what they want and they're finding it elsewhere. Social has overtaken TV and news websites as the primary news source globally for the first time ever. 27% of people get news from creators weekly. And newsrooms are still telling their teams to be more inspiring. They go deep into what the Sports User Needs Model reveals about where editorial output actually goes, why "be more inspiring" is a brief and not a strategy, and what Dmitry calls the Agents Readiness Layer, his framework for surviving an AI-mediated information environment where your nuances of reporting risk being flattened into a single sentence. Guest: Dmitry Shishkin, independent media strategist Host: Kerstin Hasse, Young Audiences Initiative Lead, INMA
June 30 · 34 min
How News Creators Outperformed Legacy Brands: Nic Newman on What the DNR 2026 Actually Means
Kerstin Hasse sits down with Nic Newman, Senior Research Associate at the Reuters Institute. Nic led the Digital News Report for fourteen years - the world's most influential annual study of news consumption. This year, he handed the lead authorship to Jim Egan and turned his attention to one thing: creators. 27% of people globally now get news from creators every week. Nic wrote the chapter. He's here to explain what that number actually means and what publishers keep getting wrong when they read it. Kerstin and Nic cover the four creator ecosystems the report maps and why the «bring them to our platforms» logic is structurally broken. And yes Kerstin also asked Nic what it actually feels like to hand something over you built from scratch. Find the full report here: https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/digital-news-report/2026
June 16 · 36 min
How Boston Globe's B-Side Made Its Journalist the Product
Kerstin Hasse sits down with Emily Schario, Head of Content and co-founder of The B-Side, Boston Globe Media's daily newsletter for young Bostonians. What started as an internal pitch at an innovation day in 2021 has grown into a very compelling young audience product in local news: 60,000 subscribers, a 60% open rate, and a paid membership model built around events and community rather than paywalled content. Emily doesn't just run The B-Side, she is The B-Side. She co-writes the content, films videos - and she is the face of the product. Sometimes literally: she once ran a stretch of the Boston Marathon to test whether you can churn butter while jogging. (Turns out: You can.) In this conversation, she talks about building a media product inside a legacy organization with almost no team, what it takes to earn the trust of an audience that has never paid for news, and what happened when the journalist and the brand became the same person.
May 24 · 44 min
How the Washington Post's TikTok Guy Built a Loyal Audience – And Then Left With It
A chart got passed around on LinkedIn last year showing Washington Post video numbers cratering right after Dave Jorgenson left - and how his own numbers were climbing. Publishers looked at it and panicked: Is this what is happening when you bet on a voice in your newsroom? In this episode, Kerstin Hasse sits down with the journalist who built one of the most loyal young audiences in American news media – from inside a legacy newsroom, with a small budget, no blueprint, and a platform his colleagues weren't sure they should be on. Dave Jorgenson and her talk about what it actually takes to grow an audience, why loyalty follows people and not mastheads, and what most publishers still refuse to understand about how trust works. And Dave reveals whether there was anything – anything at all – that could have made him stay at the Post.
May 18 · 29 min
Die Zeit vs. Spot On: What Happens When Legacy and Next Gen Compare Notes
What can a media startup learn from a 80-year-old institution – and what can a legacy publisher learn back? In this special live episode from the INMA World Congress in Berlin, Kerstin Hasse sits down with Rainer Esser (Die Zeit) and Sruthi Gottipati (Spot On) for a cross-generational conversation on leadership, loyalty, and the future of media. Including the question neither of them saw coming: what would you do if you had each other's job for one day?
April 28 · 34 min
How Podme Is Winning Over Young Audiences With Paid Audio
Publishers have been saying it for years: young audiences don't pay. PodMe has 200,000 subscribers, and more than half of them are under 35. In this episode, Kerstin Hasse talks to Kristin Ward Heimdal, who leads PodMe, Schibsted's paid podcast platform. They discuss why Schibsted started investing in the start-up, what happened when they first tried a hard paywall, and why the true crime genre is now being developed closer to the newsroom rather than acquired from independent creators. Kristin also explains what actually drives young people's willingness to pay — and why the answer has less to do with format and more to do with what publishers are trying to sell them. If your organization is still treating paid audio as a side experiment, this conversation is worth your time. Guest: Kristin Ward Heimdahl, Head of Podme Host: Kerstin Hasse, Young Audiences Initiative Lead, INMA
March 30 · 26 min
Der Spiegel's Crossmedia Bet: What Happens When Digital Finally Sits at the Table
One year ago, Der Spiegel merged three digital teams into one. In a newsroom where text still carries most of the editorial weight, what happens when video, audio, and social suddenly sit at the same table? Kerstin Hasse is talking to Aleksandra Janevska, Deputy Head of Crossmedia at Der Spiegel, about what it takes to restructure a newsroom from the inside and what happens when you stop organizing by medium and start organizing by format instead. They discuss what's working, what Der Spiegel decided to stop, including a podcast ending after two years and what that process revealed about making editorial decisions with clarity. They also dig into fact-checking as a format and why "Sagen, was ist" – say what is – turns out to be not just a founding editorial principle, but a natural fit for the platforms where young audiences are. Plus: the growing role of on-camera personalities, and what it looks like when a major investigative story goes viral across every platform at once. This conversation was originally recorded as a live INMA Young Audiences Initiative webinar. Listen, share, subscribe! More infos about the International Media Association and the Young Audiences Initiative supported by Knight Foundation at inma.org Guest: Aleksandra Janevska, Deputy Head of Crossmedia, Der Spiegel Host: Kerstin Hasse, Young Audiences Initiative Lead, INMA
February 10 · 27 min
How The Economist Cracked Vertical Video — From TikTok Launch to Subscriber Strategy
A 180-year-old magazine is thriving with vertical video. And the way they did it is not what you'd expect. In this episode, I'm talking to Liv Moloney, Head of Video at The Economist, about the full journey — from launching on TikTok in 2022 with a single video editor to 360 million video views across platforms in 2025, and then bringing it all back into their own app. We talk about why The Economist took TikTok seriously when many legacy newsrooms still dismissed it, how they navigate putting individual faces on camera in a publication famous for having no bylines, who's actually watching (younger and more female than you'd think), and whether vertical video is really a "young audience play" — or something much bigger. This conversation was originally recorded as a live INMA Young Audiences Initiative webinar. Listen, share, subscribe! More infos about the International Media Association and the Young Audiences Initiative supported by Knight Foundation at inma.org Guest: Liv Moloney, Head of Video, The Economist Host: Kerstin Hasse, Young Audiences Initiative Lead, INMA