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Never Contemplated

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The Florida Bar’s Henry Latimer Center for Professionalism presents Never Contemplated, a candid discussion with female judges from across the state about gender bias, professionalism, and civility in the judicial system, hosted by Judge Hetal Desai.

Disclaimer: The views expressed by the participants of this program are their own and do not represent the views of, nor are they endorsed by The Florida Bar, their respective officers, directors, employees, agents, or representatives. None of the content should be considered legal advice. As always, consult a lawyer.

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  • Monday · 34 min

    Administrative Lawyers: The Coolest People

    Join us for a conversation with Elizabeth Fernandez, Chair of the Administrative Law Section, and Judge Hetal Desai, as they explore the unique practice of administrative law in Florida. Ms. Fernandez explains what Water Management Districts do, why water law is so important to the state, and how to foster a collaborative office culture. She also shares the importance of participating in non-legal volunteer opportunities (like scrubbing the turtle tank at Mote Aquarium). Whether you practice or are interested in administrative or environmental law—or simply appreciate Florida’s remarkable aquatic resources—this is an episode you won’t want to miss. This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1 hour of General and 0.5 hour of Professionalism. CLE credit Course #260063

  • July 10 · 53 min

    Pick it and Stick It

    Join us for this fresh reboot of Never Contemplated where our host Judge Hetal Desai talks to Judge Carrie Ann Wozniak, the incoming Chair of The Florida Bar Appellate Court Rules Committee. Listen to Judge Wozniak discuss the importance of travel, what it is like to be a judge in the newest appellate district, and why young attorneys should do pro bono and guardian ad litem work. Judge Wozniak gives us tips on writing (keep it short), re-writing (edit, edit, edit), and preparing for oral argument (overprepare but treat it like a conversation). This episode is a great kick off to what should be an educational and entertaining new season. Links to Guardian Ad Litem and Appellate Law Section: https://guardianadlitem.org/ (https://clicktime.symantec.com/15xVcJcfzbVxsnwpg1Cuk?h=xrYsr-UqQoVs3-9daVXARJGC-_LHHBGlwPk3-zL4ip8=&u=https://guardianadlitem.org/) https://flabarappellate.org/ https://www.floridabar.org/about/cmtes/cmtes-cm/cmte-cm205/ This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hour of General and 0.5 hour of Professionalism. CLE credit Course #9930

  • Sep 5, 2024 · 36 min

    The Practice of Law May be Different Than You Imagined

    Listen to our episode with Magie Ozarowski, the new host of the On Civility podcast. Judge Desai and Ms. Ozarowski talk about what it’s like to be a government attorney, to regulate alcohol, to be a Fellow in The Florida Bar's Leadership Academy, and to explore the world. This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1.0 hour of General CLE credit, and 1.0 hour of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #8694.

  • Jan 23, 2024 · 49 min

    Immerse Yourself and Just Get Involved - Victoria Heuler and Sarah Butters

    Meet Victoria Heuler and Sarah Butters, leaders of the Florida Bar’s Elder Law and Real Property Probate and Trust Law (RPPTL) Sections. Learn about the differences and similarities between these practice areas, and the professional and practical benefits to joining a Bar Section. This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1.0 hour of General CLE credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #8306. Links: The Florida Bar RPPTL Section Elder Law Section of the Florida Bar (eldersection.org)

  • Nov 30, 2023 · 46 min

    Surround Yourself with Amazing People - Rebecca Bandy

    This episode is a true holiday gift. Enjoy this interactive recording with Judge Hetal Desai and Rebecca Bandy, Director of the Henry Latimer Center for Professionalism at The Florida Bar, where they discuss her story and legal professionalism live from the National Association of Administrative Law Judiciary Conference in Tampa, Florida. This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of General CLE credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #8231. REFERENCED RESOURCES: Segregated Proms and SOUTHERN RITES: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/may/15/integrated-proms-race-georgia-gillian-laub-photographs https://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/magazine/24prom-t.html https://www.blind-magazine.com/news/black-queen-white-queen/ https://www.southernritesproject.com/ The USS COLE, Carl Wingate’s Journal https://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=132305&page=1 https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/military/2011/05/04/first-coast-survivor-uss-cole-blast-can-finally-sleep-soundly/15905090007/

  • Oct 18, 2023 · 40 min

    It’s a much more gratifying way of life when you are serving others - Justice Meredith Sasso

    Meet Justice Meredith Sasso, the newest member of the Florida Supreme Court. Listen to her conversation with Judge Hetal Desai about growing up in the capital city, what being on a sports team taught her, Guardian Ad Litem (https://guardianadlitem.org/), the creation and workings of the 6th DCA, and the importance of the Bar’s rules committees. This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1.0 hour of General CLE credit, and 1.0 hour of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #8182.

  • S3 · E1
    Aug 18, 2023 · 49 min

    The Ability to Read the Room is as Important as the Ability to Read the Law - Alexis Fowler

    Enjoy this interactive session with Judge Desai and Alexis Fowler, Government Relations Director at Moffitt Cancer Center in Tampa, where they discuss her survival story and the importance of giving back. This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1.5 hour of General CLE credit, and 1.0 hour of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #7916.

  • S3 · E5
    Apr 26, 2023 · 35 min

    Recognize Your Own Talents - Melanie S. Griffin

    Enjoy this speed session with Judge Desai and Secretary of the Department of Business and Professional Regulation (DBPR), where they discuss mentorship, the FSU J.D./M.B.A. program, evaluating life-work balance in the long term, getting over imposter syndrome, the workings of DBPR, and the Secretary’s personal story of motherhood. http://www.myfloridalicense.com/dbpr/ Twitter: @melaniesgriffin @floridadbpr This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of General CLE credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #7463.

  • S3 · E4
    Mar 30, 2023 · 30 min

    Pro Bono work helps students develop as lawyers and not just people who know the law - Dean Theresa Radwan

    Judge Desai asks the Interim Dean of Stetson Law School Theresa Radwan questions about the Law School’s history and its current program. Listen to Dean Radwan explain the importance of law students and lawyers reaching out to community, how Stetson Law makes sure students are “practice ready” lawyers, and Stetson Law’s own unofficial rock band. This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of General CLE credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #7366.

  • S3 · E3
    Mar 23, 2023 · 58 min

    Education Can Change Everything - Dean Deidré A. Keller

    In the third installment of this season’s “Never Contemplated - The Making of a Good Lawyer,” Judge Hetal Desai interviews Deidré A. Keller, the Dean of Florida Agricultural and Mechanical University (FAMU), College of Law. Learn about the historic significance of FAMU Law and the Parramore neighborhood in Orlando. Dean Keller also talks about growing up in Guyana, going from the Bronx to Yale, law and literature, and the importance of providing access to a solid practical legal education to non-traditional law students. This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1 hour of General CLE credit, and 1 hour of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #7242.

  • S3 · E2
    Mar 9, 2023 · 51 min

    Be Curious, Be Bold, and Take the Leap - Dean Laura A. Rosenbury

    In the second installment of this season’s “Never Contemplated - The Making of a Good Lawyer,” Judge Hetal Desai interviews Dean Laura A. Rosenbury of the University of Florida, Levin College of Law. Dean Rosenbury talks about her journey from rural America to Harvard to the flagship law school in Florida. Learn about how UF Law has climbed to and remained in the top 25 law schools in the nation (and # 1 in Florida) by not only upping its game academically, but also by increasing the diversity of its faculty and student body. Listen to all the ways the GatorLaw Nation is helping UF Law students get practical experience and learn about professionalism. This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1 hour of General CLE credit, and 1 hour of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #7219.

  • S3 · E1
    Mar 1, 2023 · 47 min

    The Making of a Good Lawyer- Dean Erin O'Hara O'Connor

    In the first installment of this season’s “Never Contemplated - The Making of a Good Lawyer,” Judge Hetal Desai interviews Dean Erin O’Hara O’Conner, who discusses her role as the Dean of FSU College of Law and how she got there. This episode explores the changes in law students and teaching methods over the years, and how to prevent burnout in the legal profession. This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #7182.

  • S2 · E9
    Nov 28, 2022 · 47 min

    Be Authentic to Who You Are and Let Service Guide You - Judge Navarro

    In this episode of Never Contemplated, Judge Desai welcomes Judge Navarro, who discusses her unique background, learning about drug court and the ways to mentor others about wellness. REFERENCED RESOURCES: https://www.floridabar.org/member/healthandwellnesscenter/ https://www.fla-lap.org/ Judge Navarro on social media: Facebook Instagram This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #6822.

  • S2 · E8
    Sep 21, 2022 · 1 hr 17 min

    Special Release - Part 2: Administrative Law Judges Lisa Nelson, Suzanne Van Wyk, and Lynne Quimby-Pennock

    The Florida Bar’s Henry Latimer Center for Professionalism presents Never Contemplated, a candid discussion with female judges from across the state about gender bias, professionalism, and civility in the judicial system, hosted by Judge Hetal Desai. In this special episode, Judge Desai welcomes Administrative Law Judges Lisa Nelson, Suzanne Van Wyk, and Lynne Quimby-Pennock. This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1 hour of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #6547.

  • S2 · E7
    Sep 21, 2022 · 56 min

    Special Release - Part 1: Administrative Law Judges Cathy Sellers and Francine Ffolkes

    The Florida Bar’s Henry Latimer Center for Professionalism presents Never Contemplated, a candid discussion with female judges from across the state about gender bias, professionalism, and civility in the judicial system, hosted by Judge Hetal Desai. In this special episode, Judge Desai welcomes Administrative Law Judges Cathy Sellers and Francine Ffolkes. This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1 hour of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #6546.

  • S2 · E6
    Mar 11, 2022 · 33 min

    Be in Court, Prepared and On Time; Be Civil; and Be Straightforward - Chief Judge Munyon

    In this episode of Never Contemplated, Judge Desai welcomes the 9th Circuit Chief Judge Lisa Munyon who discusses her background and path to the bench. REFERENCED RESOURCES: https://www.law360.com/appellate/articles/1462291/fla-justices-mull-making-zoom-hearings-permanent https://issuu.com/orangecobarassociationorlando/docs/the_briefs_february_2022/14 https://www.floridabar.org/the-florida-bar-news/rules-package-to-codify-remote-proceedings-argued/ This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #5853.

  • S2 · E5
    Feb 7, 2022 · 42 min

    Public Service is Always Challenging, Never Boring - Secretary Simone Marstiller

    In this episode of Never Contemplated, Judge Desai welcomes former judge and current Secretary of the Agency for Healthcare Administration, Simone Marstiller who discusses her diverse background and strong roots in public service. If you’d like to follow Secretary Marstiller on Twitter: https://twitter.com/SMarstiller This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #5783.

  • S2 · E4
    Jan 7, 2022 · 34 min

    You're Not an Island - Judge Meg Kerr

    In this episode, Judge Meg Kerr discusses her unique background and path to the Office of Judges of Compensation Claims, where she is assigned to Worker's Compensation cases. She emphasizes the importance of building relationships and making connections with colleagues and staff in order to be stronger professionally and to balance mental and emotional health and combat stress. References: The Florida Bar Mental Health and Wellness Center: https://www.floridabar.org/member/healthandwellnesscenter/ The Worker's Compensation Section of The Florida Bar: https://www.flabarwcs.org/ This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #7365.

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