Modern Husbands Podcast

How Men Can Support Their Spouse's Career Without Sacrificing Family: A Conversation with Dr. Smith and Dr. Johnson

Welcome to the Modern Husbands podcast, where any combination of Dr. Bruce Ross, Christian Sherrill, and Brian Page host national experts who share winning ideas to manage money and the home as a team. I’m Brian Page, founder of Modern Husbands. Sometimes our listeners want more support than a podcast can give, individual or couple support, which I provide as a Certified Financial Therapist, Accredited Financial Counselor and Fair Play Facilitator. Details can be found at modernhusbands.com. Today’s episode is the second of two with our guest Dr. David Smith and Dr. Brad Johnson, authors of Fair Share. If you missed the first, be sure to scroll one episode back before listening to this episode. In this episode, we explore how men can become more effective allies at work and more supportive partners at home. They discuss practical strategies for normalizing caregiving, reducing workplace bias, supporting women's careers through sponsorship rather than good intentions, and creating more equitable opportunities for everyone. Listeners will walk away with simple, actionable ideas they can apply immediately to strengthen their relationships, workplaces, and leadership. Enjoy the show. Show Notes 00:00 Introduction 01:24 You two recently released your latest book, Fair Share: How Men and Women Can Create a More Equitable Workplace Together. Can you share a broad overview of the book? 03:59 When men lean into their caregiving roles, take parental leave, use flex-work benefits, and talk openly about their obligations outside the office, how does this reduce the stigma associated with caregiving—for everyone? 12:03 What frustrations do professional women often feel that are usually unique to them? 15:34 How can their spouses support them from inside their own homes? 23:03 What simple and actionable advice do you want to leave our listeners with today? 27:01 Where can folks purchase Fair Share? Purchase the book: https://www.workplaceallies.com/ Subscribe or follow Modern Husbands on social media! Newsletter Facebook YouTube LinkedIn Instagram Twitter TikTok Substack

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Why Couples Struggle to Share the Mental Load Until Workplaces Change: A Conversation with Dr. Smith and Dr. Johnson

Welcome to the Modern Husbands podcast, where any combination of Dr. Bruce Ross, Christian Sherrill, and Brian Page host national experts who share winning ideas to manage money and the home as a team. I’m Brian Page, founder of Modern Husbands. Sometimes our listeners want more support than a podcast can give, individual or couple support, which I provide as a Certified Financial Therapist, Accredited Financial Counselor and Fair Play Facilitator. Details can be found at modernhusbands.com. Today’s episode is the first of two with our guests Dr. David Smith and Dr. Brad Johnson, authors of Fair Share, to explore how creating more gender-fair workplaces begins with changing the systems that shape leadership, caregiving, and opportunity. Drawing on decades of research and personal experience, they discuss why men play a critical role as mentors, allies, and equal partners at work and at home, and how organizations can move beyond individual actions to create lasting structural change. Whether you're a leader, partner, or parent, this conversation offers practical insights into building more equitable workplaces and stronger relationships. Enjoy the show Show Notes 00:00 Introduction 01:43 What motivated you to get started thinking about and researching how men can be more inclusive leaders and better collaborators and allies with women (what’s your personal connection to this work)? 09:54 How is gender collaboration at work deeply connected to equity and fairness at home? 13:31 How do you each promote this at work? Purchase the book: https://www.workplaceallies.com/ Subscribe or follow Modern Husbands on social media! Newsletter Facebook YouTube LinkedIn Instagram Twitter TikTok Substack

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Why Healthcare Costs Are Crushing American Families (And What You Can Do About It): A Conversation with Dr. Grumet

Welcome to the Modern Husbands podcast, where any combination of Dr. Bruce Ross, Christian Sherrill, and Brian Page host national experts who share winning ideas to manage money and the home as a team. I’m Brian Page, founder of Modern Husbands. Sometimes our listeners want more support than a podcast can give, individual or couple support, which I provide as a Certified Financial Therapist, Accredited Financial Counselor and Fair Play Facilitator. Details can be found at modernhusbands.com. Today’s episode is with Dr. Jordan Grumet, author of The Purpose Code and the newly released, The Healthcare Heist. In this episode, Dr. Jordan Grumet discusses the systemic issues plaguing the US healthcare system, including profit motives, third-party entrenchment, and the potential for revolutionary change through stakeholder unity. He shares personal stories, practical advice for patients, and insights into how we can push for a more humane and efficient healthcare system. Enjoy the show. 00:00: Introduction 2:30: Your book is titled The Healthcare Heist. Who exactly is benefiting from the current healthcare system, and how are both patients and healthcare professionals paying the price? 4:17: At Modern Husbands, we talk a lot about the “mental load” families carry. Healthcare decisions often become part of that invisible labor. How does the complexity of the healthcare system create additional stress inside marriages and families? 11:44 You argue that patients and doctors are often pushed into conflict with one another. How do insurance companies, private equity, and large healthcare systems profit when trust breaks down between physicians and patients? 18:46 One of the themes we discuss frequently is that systems shape behavior. How does the business model of modern healthcare reward speed, volume, and profit over listening, empathy, and prevention? 21:44 What practical steps can patients take to become better advocates for themselves and their families during medical appointments, especially when they feel rushed or intimidated? 33:12 For couples trying to manage healthcare, caregiving responsibilities, and financial stress as a team, what mindset shifts or conversations would you encourage them to start having today? 41:13 Where can our listeners purchase your book? 41:58 What is one piece of simple and actionable advice you want to leave our listeners with? Where to purchase Dr. G’s books: https://jordangrumet.com/ #healthcare #personalfinance Subscribe or follow Modern Husbands on social media! Newsletter Facebook YouTube LinkedIn Instagram Twitter TikTok Substack

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The Modern Father: Communication, Co-Parenting, and What Kids Really Need

Welcome to the Modern Husbands podcast, where any combination of Dr. Bruce Ross, Christian Sherrill, and Brian Page host national experts who share winning ideas to manage money and the home as a team. I’m Brian Page, founder of Modern Husbands. Sometimes our listeners want more support than a podcast can give, individual or couple support, which I provide as a Certified Financial Therapist, Accredited Financial Counselor and Fair Play Facilitator. Details can be found at modernhusbands.com. Today’s episode is the second of two with our guest Dr. Hart. If you missed the first, you can scroll back an episode before listening to this one. Dr. John Hart is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, researcher, speaker, and proud husband and father of fraternal twins. In our previous episode, Dr. Hart shared the realities of raising twins, including the financial surprises, emotional challenges, and parenting lessons that come with having multiples. As we continue the conversation in this episode, Dr. Hart explains how intentional communication, proactive partnership, and engaged fatherhood have strengthened his marriage and family, while offering insights from both his professional work as a therapist and his lived experience as a Black father. Enjoy the show. 00:00 Introduction 01:25 In counseling other parents with multiples, what have you noticed to be the primary challenges? 02:35 What strategies did you and your wife use to manage the parenting demands of multiples, from diapers and childcare to education and extracurricular activities? 12:24 As a Black father, did you encounter any unique cultural or community expectations while raising twins, and how did those experiences shape your parenting journey? 18:59 We end all our podcasts, with asking this question: What is one piece of simple and actionable advice you want to leave our listeners with? 20:24 Where can our listeners learn more about you and the work you are doing? Learn more: https://rccmaryland.com/ #Fatherhood #Parenthood Subscribe or follow Modern Husbands on social media! Newsletter Facebook YouTube LinkedIn Instagram Twitter TikTok Substack

The Hidden Costs of Raising Twins and Why Involved Fathers Matter

Welcome to the Modern Husbands podcast, where any combination of Dr. Bruce Ross, Christian Sherrill, and Brian Page host national experts who share winning ideas to manage money and the home as a team. I’m Brian Page, founder of Modern Husbands. Sometimes our listeners want more support than a podcast can give, individual or couple support, which I provide as a Certified Financial Therapist, Accredited Financial Counselor and Fair Play Facilitator. Details can be found at modernhusbands.com. Today’s episode is the first of two with our guest Dr. John Hart, a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, researcher, speaker, proud husband, and father of fraternal twins. His favorite role is being “Dad” to his twins. Dr. Hart shares the realities of raising twins, including the financial surprises, emotional challenges, and parenting lessons that come with having multiples. Enjoy the show. 00:00 Introduction 01:08 When you first learned you were having twins, what went through your mind as a father, and how did it change the way you thought about parenting and finances? 05:18 What expenses truly double? 08:25 How does your professional background as a licensed marriage and family therapist and working with fathers provide a unique insight into understanding your own journey with fatherhood? 09:15 As someone who studies fathers professionally, what did becoming a father teach you that research alone never could? 19:38 What are some of the unique joys and challenges of raising multiples that you have noticed that parents of single children might not fully understand? Learn more: https://rccmaryland.com/ #fatherhood #parenting #twins Subscribe or follow Modern Husbands on social media! Newsletter Facebook YouTube LinkedIn Instagram Twitter TikTok Substack

What Is the Mental Load? Dr. Leah Ruppanner Explains the Invisible Work Behind Family Life

Welcome to the Modern Husbands podcast, where any combination of Dr. Bruce Ross, Christian Sherrill, and Brian Page host national experts who share winning ideas to manage money and the home as a team. I’m Brian Page, founder of Modern Husbands. Sometimes our listeners want more support than a podcast can give, individual or couple support, which I provide as a Certified Financial Therapist, Accredited Financial Counselor and Fair Play Facilitator. Details can be found at modernhusbands.com. Today’s episode is the second part of a two part conversation with Dr. Leah Ruppanner. We discuss the eight types of mental load, how couples can share these responsibilities more equitably, and practical strategies to reduce stress and support each other's dreams. This is a must-listen for anyone looking to improve relationship dynamics and mental well-being. Enjoy the show. Show Notes 00:00 Introduction 01:41 What are the eight types of mental load? 02:31 How can couples approach understanding how to share life management? 15:24 Let’s move onto sharing the emotional support needed to manage a family, that is, checking in on family, friends, and coworkers. 18:32 A conversation about magic making. 22:08 What is dream building, and how can men help women fulfill their passions and ambitions? 24:26 Individual upkeep is how we stay fit and healthy. What can men do to make sure their partners have enough time to do this? 28:47 The next type of mental load is safety. How can parents work together to share this load? 32:22 The final type of mental load I want to talk about is meta-care, which is raising children who will thrive in the future. Walk listeners through how parents can balance providing our kids with the opportunity to thrive in the future, but not at the expense of finding joy in the process. 36:03 Right now you’re battling Breast Cancer. How has the American health care system impacted the mental load for you in this fight 37:36: Please remind listeners where they can purchase your book, Drained. 39:05 What is one simple and actionable takeaway you want to leave our listeners with? Lighten Lab: https://www.lightenlab.com/ More About Dr. Ruppanner: https://www.leahruppanner.com/ Purchase Drained: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762972/drained-by-leah-ruppanner-phd/ #mentalload #invisiblelabor #marriagetips Subscribe or follow Modern Husbands on social media! Newsletter Facebook YouTube LinkedIn Instagram Twitter TikTok Substack

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Mental Load in Marriage: The Hidden Work Draining Women and Families

Welcome to the Modern Husbands podcast, where any combination of Dr. Bruce Ross, Christian Sherrill, and Brian Page host national experts who share winning ideas to manage money and the home as a team. I’m Brian Page, founder of Modern Husbands. Sometimes our listeners want more support than a podcast can give, individual or couple support, which I provide as a Certified Financial Therapist, Accredited Financial Counselor and Fair Play Facilitator. Details can be found at modernhusbands.com. Today’s episode is the first of two with our guest Professor Leah Ruppanner. We explore the complex concept of mental load, its impact on women and families, and practical strategies to achieve greater equity and understanding in household responsibilities. Discover how to measure, manage, and support mental load to foster healthier relationships and personal well-being. Enjoy the show. Show Notes 00:00 Introduction 2:30 Why did it feel as if you were approaching this as a therapist? 5:24 How do you define the mental load? 9:13 What are the eight types of mental loads? 22:45 Walk us through the pressures that are usually unique to women around household responsibilities and caregiving. 28:37 You ask couples to participate in a mental load audit. Can you explain what that is and how it can be done? 36:31 We know from research that most men want to do more at home, and are trying to figure out how. Let’s start with this. How can men convince their wives to take on less at home? 41:00 Where can listeners purchase Drained. Lighten Lab: https://www.lightenlab.com/ More About Dr. Ruppanner: https://www.leahruppanner.com/ Purchase Drained: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762972/drained-by-leah-ruppanner-phd/ #mentalload #invisiblelabor #marriagetips Subscribe or follow Modern Husbands on social media! Newsletter Facebook YouTube LinkedIn Instagram Twitter TikTok Substack

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How Men Can Support Their Partner's Career and Protect Both Partners' Ambitions

Welcome to the Modern Husbands podcast, where any combination of Dr. Bruce Ross, Christian Sherrill, and Brian Page host national experts who share winning ideas to manage money and the home as a team. I’m Brian Page, founder of Modern Husbands. Sometimes our listeners want more support than a podcast can give, individual or couple support, which I provide as a Certified Financial Therapist, Accredited Financial Counselor and Fair Play Facilitator. Details can be found at modernhusbands.com. Today’s episode is the second of two with our guest Stefanie O'Connell. Stephanie is a personal finance expert, speaker, and author of The Ambition Penalty, a book that explores the hidden financial and career costs ambitious women face in the workplace and at home. Through her writing, media appearances, and advocacy, she helps women build wealth, navigate unequal systems, and pursue career success without sacrificing financial independence or personal fulfillment. In today's second of a two part series with Stefanie, we explore the gender disparities in ambition, pay, and leadership with data-driven insights and practical solutions to foster equity and support women's career growth inside our homes. Enjoy the show. Show Notes 00:00 Introduction 01:19 How can couples better protect both partners’ ambitions over the long term? 12:23 What do you wish more men understood about ambitious women? 16:45 What conversations are you hoping couples have after reading this book? 18:55 Where can people purchase your book? 21:!4 What is one piece of simple and actionable advice you want to leave our listeners with? Subscribe or follow Modern Husbands on social media! Newsletter Facebook YouTube LinkedIn Instagram Twitter TikTok Substack

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The Ambition Penalty: How Household Labor Holds Back Women's Careers

Welcome to the Modern Husbands podcast, where any combination of Dr. Bruce Ross, Christian Sherrill, and Brian Page host national experts who share winning ideas to manage money and the home as a team. I’m Brian Page, founder of Modern Husbands. Sometimes our listeners want more support than a podcast can give, individual or couple support, which I provide as a Certified Financial Therapist, Accredited Financial Counselor and Fair Play Facilitator. Details can be found at modernhusbands.com. Today’s episode is the first of two with our guest Stefanie O'Connell. Stephanie is a personal finance expert, speaker, and author of The Ambition Penalty, a book that explores the hidden financial and career costs ambitious women face in the workplace and at home. Through her writing, media appearances, and advocacy, she helps women build wealth, navigate unequal systems, and pursue career success without sacrificing financial independence or personal fulfillment. In today's first of two episodes with Stefanie, we explore the gender disparities in ambition, pay, and leadership with data-driven insights and practical solutions to foster equity and support women's career growth inside our homes. Enjoy the show. Show Notes 00:00 Introduction 03:45 What inspired you to write The Ambition Penalty? 06:13 How do you define “ambition” differently from traditional career culture? 12:04 You reported that only 31% of women said they were proud to call themselves ambitious, despite more than half personally identifying as ambitious. Why is this the case? 18:13 How does unequal household labor directly affect women’s career trajectories? 25:05 What are some subtle ways well-meaning men unintentionally undermine their partner’s ambitions? Subscribe or follow Modern Husbands on social media! Newsletter Facebook YouTube LinkedIn Instagram Twitter TikTok Substack

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The Behavior Gap in Relationships: Carl Richards on Money Beliefs, Financial Planning, and Wealth

Welcome to the Modern Husbands podcast, where any combination of Dr. Bruce Ross, Christian Sherrill, and Brian Page host national experts who share winning ideas to manage money and the home as a team. Today we welcome Carl Richards for the second of a two part series. Carl is a Certified Financial Planner™ and bestselling author known for turning complex money ideas into simple, powerful insights. He created The Sketch Guy column for The New York Times, where for a decade he used nothing but cardstock and a Sharpie to help readers rethink their relationship with money. Carl built and sold a successful investment firm and has spoken at financial events around the world. His books, including The Behavior Gap, The One-Page Financial Plan, and his latest, Your Money: Reimagining Wealth in 101 Simple Sketches, have reached a global audience and been translated into multiple languages. Through Behavior Gap Radio and his newest project 50 Fires, he continues to explore how money intersects with meaning, relationships, and a well-lived life. Enjoy the second of our two part series with Carl. We will pick up where we left off from our last episode. Enjoy the show! Show Notes 00:00 Introduction 06:24 Many couples struggle not just with money decisions, but with who thinks about the money. How do you see the mental load showing up in financial management? 5:50 What advice would you give couples where one partner is the “default financial manager” and the other is disengaged? 17:58 Why do we keep making the same money mistakes even when we “know better”? 23:55 You’ve said “getting ahead is a trap.” That’s countercultural. What should people aim for instead? 29:10 Rapid fire questions: For these questions, say the questions back and provide a succinct instinctual response: One money belief you’ve changed your mind about? A financial rule people should break? A financial rule people should never break? Best way to start a money conversation with your spouse? One word you want people to associate with money? 34:38 Where can listeners learn more about you and purchase your new book, Your Money? 35:39 If listeners take away just one idea from your work, what do you hope it is? Purchase Carl's book on Amazon, or folks can head to their favorite local bookstore: https://www.amazon.com/Your-Money-Reimagining-Wealth-Sketches/dp/1804091715 Listeners can save an additional 5% by using the code YourMoney5 at checkout. https://bulkbooks.com/products/your-money-reimagining-wealth-in-simple-sketches Follow Carl on social media: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thinkingcarl/ https://x.com/behaviorgap https://www.instagram.com/behaviorgap #money #personalfinance #masculinity Subscribe or follow Modern Husbands on social media! Newsletter Facebook YouTube LinkedIn Instagram Twitter TikTok Substack

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Carl Richards on Money Conversations, Financial Planning, and Why Couples Fight About Money

Welcome to the Modern Husbands podcast, where Dr. Bruce Ross, Christian Sherrill, and Brian Page host national experts who share winning ideas for managing money and the home as a team. Today we welcome Carl Richards for the first of a two-part series. Carl is a Certified Financial Planner™ and bestselling author known for turning complex money ideas into simple, powerful insights. He created The Sketch Guy column for The New York Times, where for a decade he used nothing but cardstock and a Sharpie to help readers rethink their relationship with money. Carl built and sold a successful investment firm and has spoken at financial events around the world. His books, including The Behavior Gap, The One-Page Financial Plan, and his latest, Your Money: Reimagining Wealth in 101 Simple Sketches, have reached a global audience and been translated into multiple languages. Through Behavior Gap Radio and his newest project 50 Fires, he continues to explore how money intersects with meaning, relationships, and a well-lived life. Enjoy the show! Show Notes 00:00 Introduction 03:18 You’ve said this book is “not advice, it’s an invitation to conversation.” Why do you think conversations about money matter more than instructions? 07:14 What do most people still get wrong about financial planning today? 13:38 In your experience, what’s the most common emotional pattern that causes money fights in relationships, and how can couples shift from “you’re wrong” to “we just see money differently”? 25:39 Conclusion of Part 1 Purchase Carl's book on Amazon, or folks can head to their favorite local bookstore: https://www.amazon.com/Your-Money-Reimagining-Wealth-Sketches/dp/1804091715 Listeners can save an additional 5% with code YourMoney5 at checkout. https://bulkbooks.com/products/your-money-reimagining-wealth-in-simple-sketches Follow Carl on social media: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thinkingcarl/ https://x.com/behaviorgap https://www.instagram.com/behaviorgap #money #personalfinance #masculinity Subscribe or follow Modern Husbands on social media! Newsletter Facebook YouTube LinkedIn Instagram Twitter TikTok Substack

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How to Spot a Scam: AI Fraud, Warning Signs, and What to Do If You’re Scammed.

Welcome to the Modern Husbands podcast, where any combination of Dr. Bruce Ross, Christian Sherrill, and Brian Page host national experts who share winning ideas to manage money and the home as a team. I’m Brian Page, founder of Modern Husbands. Sometimes our listeners want more support than a podcast can give, individual or couple support, which I provide as a Certified Financial Therapist, Accredited Financial Counselor and Fair Play Facilitator. Details can be found at modernhusbands.com. For today’s episode we welcome Andy Murphy, the founder of The Secure Dad®, a family safety resource he launched in 2016 to help parents feel more confident protecting the people they love. Through practical, accessible guidance on home security, situational awareness, emergency preparedness, and online safety, Murphy has expanded The Secure Dad from a personal blog into an award-winning podcast, books, and other family safety resources. Andy shares insights on how AI has transformed scams, making them more sophisticated and organized, and offers practical advice on how to recognize and protect against these threats, especially for older adults and families. Enjoy the show. Show Notes 00:00 Introduction 2:38 You told me something before we recorded that I think is really important: “Scamming is an unfair fight.” What do you mean by that? 4:03 So what are a few scam spotting schemes / red flags? 5:57 When someone falls for a scam, we often hear, “How could they possibly have believed that?” What are scammers doing psychologically that can cause otherwise intelligent, financially responsible people to make a decision they normally wouldn’t make? 8:12 Take us inside a scam. What are the most common red flags that should make someone stop and think, “Something isn’t right here”? 10:43 A lot of people listening to this podcast aren't just protecting themselves and their kids anymore—they're also beginning to worry about aging parents. Why can protecting our parents from scams be so difficult? 16:32 Suppose my mom or dad calls me tomorrow and says, “I think I may have just been scammed.” What's the first thing I should say—and what are the first things we should do? 19:40 If every family listening adopted just one new habit this week that would significantly reduce their chances of becoming a scam victim, what would you want that habit to be? 21:27 Where can our listeners learn more about you and your work? #personalfinance #money Subscribe or follow Modern Husbands on social media! Newsletter Facebook YouTube LinkedIn Instagram Twitter TikTok Substack

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Fair Play Explained: How Couples Can Divide Household Responsibilities More Fairly

Welcome to the Modern Husbands podcast, where any combination of Dr. Bruce Ross, Christian Sherrill, and Brian Page host national experts who share winning ideas to manage money and the home as a team. This is part two of a real world facilitation of the Fair Play system. In our first episode, we learned about Brian and Lucy McAffee’s home dynamics. You likely found that, when it came to the division of labor and obstacles couples face, that some of their challenges are challenges you face in your family. We then discussed the guiding principles of the Fair Play system and started working through it. This is part two of the two part series. Today’s episode, from start to finish, is a real world facilitation of the Fair Play system. Lucy McAfee is the host of The ManFlu podcast and founder of Boys Who Care. Her husband, Brian McAfee, is a professional sports gambler. They live in Lake Tahoe with their two sons. You can find more from Lucy and The ManFlu podcast on Instagram @lucypmcafee. As a reminder from our first episode, we left off at the point where Lucy had selected five Fair Play cards, household tasks if you will, based on the following criteria: They were low stakes tasks, allowing Lucy to be more comfortable handing them off. They were tasks she did not enjoy. They were regular tasks, not one-offs like cleaning the gutters. Brian is now beginning to select the three tasks he will own from Lucy’s selections. #fairplay #chores #divisionoflabor #mentalload Subscribe or follow Modern Husbands on social media! Newsletter Facebook YouTube LinkedIn Instagram Twitter TikTok Substack

How to Use the Fair Play System: A Real Couple's Journey to Sharing the Mental Load

Welcome to the Modern Husbands podcast, where any combination of Dr. Bruce Ross, Christian Sherrill, and Brian Page host national experts who share winning ideas to manage money and the home as a team. Achieving a balance between work, family, and personal time can feel overwhelming, especially for dual-career couples. For this two part series we are going to first learn about Brian and Lucy’s home dynamics, and you’ll likely find that, when it comes to the division of labor and obstacles couples face, that there are a lot of common challenges. This is part one of the two part series. We will then discuss the guiding principles of the Fair Play system. For the second part of the series, we will finish the implementation of the Fair Play system, so you can see for yourself how you can apply it in your relationship. Lucy McAfee is the host of The ManFlu podcast, where she explores gender dynamics and emotional labor in modern partnerships, and what it looks like to raise boys to become thoughtful, connected men. After 16 years in healthcare strategy, she stepped away from corporate life to focus on this work and develop Boys Who Care, a program aimed at building social and emotional skills for boys. Her husband, Brian McAfee, spent over a decade owning and operating a restaurant and is now in his next entrepreneurial chapter focused on sports betting. They live in Lake Tahoe with their two sons, where they’re beginning the work of creating a more balanced partnership in real life. You can find more from Lucy and The ManFlu podcast on Instagram @lucypmcafee. Enjoy the show. 00:00 Introduction 01:22 Lucy and Brian, tell us a bit about yourselves, your family, and what a typical week looks like in your home. 03:43 What made you both say yes to today's conversation? 04:23 If this conversation goes really well, what would feel different in your home a month from now? 07:04 How do each of you define leisure time? 12:42 True leisure vs. responsibility disguised as leisure 15:13 The Fundamentals of the Fair Play System 20:19 Facilitation of the Fair Play System #fairplay #chores #divisionoflabor #mentalload ManFlu Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/033U3TUJv0ChU1hQNjro7r Subscribe or follow Modern Husbands on social media! Newsletter Facebook YouTube LinkedIn Instagram Twitter TikTok Substack

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Love and Money: A Conversation with Dr. Ford and Dr. Hargrove

Welcome to the Modern Husbands podcast, where any combination of Dr. Bruce Ross, Christian Sherrill, and Brian Page host national experts who share winning ideas to manage money and the home as a team. I’m Brian Page, founder of Modern Husbands. Sometimes our listeners want more support than a podcast can give, individual or couple support, which I provide as a Certified Financial Therapist, Accredited Financial Counselor and Fair Play Facilitator. Details can be found at modernhusbands.com. Today we welcome Dr. Megan Ford and Dr. Christine Hargrove. Dr. Ford is the University of Georgia Director of the Love and Money Center, Certified Financial Therapist, and Licensed and Marriage Therapist. Dr. Hargrove is the Love and Money Center Assistant Director, UGA Clinical Assistant Professor, Certified Financial Therapist, and Licensed and Marriage Therapist. For today’s episode, Dr. Ford and Dr. Hargrove share research on financial conflict, the emotional burden of day-to-day money management, and how roles like “bean counter” shape stress within relationships. The conversation also offers practical, research-backed strategies for couples and neurodivergent individuals to manage money with greater awareness, compassion, and teamwork. Enjoy the show. Show Notes 00:00 Introduction 02:19 What do we do at the Love and Money Center? Why is it unique? Why is it needed? 06:54 Can you tell us about the Ford Financial Empowerment Model 08:07 Would you share with us your research behind beancounters, and neurodivergents? 15:48 What's the history behind how the Love and Money Center came to be? 20:44 What are the benefits for students? 26:57 Can you highlight some interesting research that has emerged from the Love and Money Center? 33:36 Can you each share one actionable tip for our listeners to improve their financial relationship with their partners? Love and Money Center #money #relationships #financialtherapy Subscribe or follow Modern Husbands on social media! Newsletter Facebook YouTube LinkedIn Instagram Twitter TikTok Substack

From Surviving to Thriving in Your Career and Home: A Conversation with Dr. Anne Welsh

Welcome to the Modern Husbands podcast, where any combination of Dr. Bruce Ross, Christian Sherrill, and Brian Page host national experts who share winning ideas to manage money and the home as a team. I’m Brian Page, founder of Modern Husbands. Sometimes our listeners want more support than a podcast can give, individual or couple support, which I provide as a Certified Financial Therapist, Accredited Financial Counselor and Fair Play Facilitator. Details can be found at modernhusbands.com. Today’s guest is Dr. Anne Welsh, a licensed clinical psychologist and certified executive coach who began her career as a psychologist at Harvard University before founding her own practice supporting ambitious women and working parents in thriving both at work and at home. She is the author of Ambitious Mother: From Surviving to Thriving in Your Career and at Home. The episode discussion highlights the importance of redefining ambition beyond traditional career success. Anne offers practical advice for couples who are seeking a more balanced approach to family and work life, challenging societal norms around gender roles. Show Notes 00:00 Introduction 01:35 Let’s start with you sharing an overview of your book. What’s it about? 03:58 How did becoming a mother change the way you thought about your own ambition and identity? 06:43 Was there a moment when you realized that the way you were striving wasn’t sustainable? What was that like for you? 16:22 You’ve said that the men in your life were supportive and involved, yet you still ended up with an unequal division of labor. How did that happen? 19:32 What tends to keep good partners with good intentions stuck in old patterns, even when they share values around equality? 21:40 For someone who feels stretched thin and isn’t sure where to start, where do you usually suggest they begin? 24:38 If you could go back and talk to your earlier self about ambition and motherhood, what would you tell her? 26:25 Where can listeners learn more about you and purchase your book? 27:06 What is one simple and actionable piece of advice you want to leave our listeners with? Learn more about Anne: https://www.drannewelsh.com/ Purchase Anne’s book: https://www.amazon.com/-/es/Anne-Welsh/dp/B0FZCZ9QY6 Subscribe or follow Modern Husbands on social media! Newsletter Facebook YouTube LinkedIn Instagram Twitter TikTok Substack

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Lessons Learned as a New Father: A Conversation with Christian Sherrill

Welcome to the Modern Husbands podcast, where any combination of Dr. Bruce Ross, Christian Sherrill, and Brian Page host national experts who share winning ideas to manage money and the home as a team. For today’s episode, Dr. Ross and I discuss with Christian his experiences and lessons learned during his first year as a father. Listeners will walk away with the real and fresh wisdom to help new and expectant fathers. As a recent empty nester, what Christian shared warmed my heart and made for a better day. A new or expectant father or not, you will enjoy this episode. Show Notes 00:00 Introduction 01:46 You recently became a dad. What has surprised you the most about fatherhood so far? 04:39 What has been the biggest adjustment mentally, emotionally, or physically since becoming a parent? 10:34 What’s been your favorite part of becoming a dad so far? 12:24 How has becoming parents changed the dynamic between you and your wife? 14:51 What conversations do you now realize couples should have before having children? 18:25 What are some small things husbands can do during the newborn stage that make a huge difference for their partner? 22:28 What’s one thing you wish more men understood about supporting their wives after childbirth? 27:25 What kind of father do you hope your child describes you as someday? 28:20 Were there any past Modern Husbands Podcast episodes that unexpectedly helped prepare you for fatherhood? 30:32 What’s one message you want new or expecting fathers listening to this episode to hear? #fatherhood #parenting Subscribe or follow Modern Husbands on social media! Newsletter Facebook YouTube LinkedIn Instagram Twitter TikTok Substack

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Financial Planning for Blended Families: A Conversation with Dr. Mikel Van Cleve, MBA, CFP®, FBS®, CEBS

Welcome to the Modern Husbands podcast, where any combination of Dr. Bruce Ross, Christian Sherrill, and Brian Page host national experts who share winning ideas to manage money and the home as a team. I’m Brian Page, founder of Modern Husbands. Sometimes our listeners want more support than a podcast can give, individual or couple support, which I provide as a Certified Financial Therapist, Accredited Financial Counselor and Fair Play Facilitator. Details can be found at modernhusbands.com. Today we welcome Dr. Mikel Van Cleve. Mikel earned his Ph.D. in Personal Financial Planning at Texas Tech University, where he specialized in blended family financial dynamics. His research deepens our understanding of how complex family structures, particularly blended families, achieve financial well-being. In this episode, we unpack why estate planning is especially critical for blended families, the emotional conversations couples often avoid and offer practical advice for navigating fairness, conflict, and long-term financial decisions as a family. Enjoy the show. Show Notes 00:00 Introduction 01:47 Can you share a little bit about your Ph.D. focus with our listeners? 02:53 Where does your passion for this topic come from? 06:18 Why is estate planning so important for blended families? 09:22 What happens if they don’t set things up the right way? 19:39 What tips would you give blended families to ensure they address this critical area of financial planning and do it the right way? 24:46 What is one piece of simple and actionable advice you want to leave our listeners with? #BlendedFamilies #EstatePlanning #FamilyFinance #ModernHusbands #FinancialPlanning https://mikelvancleve.com Subscribe or follow Modern Husbands on social media! Newsletter Facebook YouTube LinkedIn Instagram Twitter TikTok Substack

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From Fair Play to Equal Partnership: How Men Can Reduce the Mental Load and Support Their Partner's Career

Welcome to the Modern Husbands podcast, where any combination of Dr. Bruce Ross, Christian Sherrill, and Brian Page host national experts who share winning ideas to manage money and the home as a team. Today’s episode is part two of a two part episode on Empowering Men to Partner or Lead at Home. Today’s guests are Eve Rodsky, Dr. Kate Mangino, and Dr. Allison Daminger. Dr. Kate Mangino is the author of Equal Partners: Improving Gender Equality at Home, a field guide to evolving masculinity and domestic partnership. Eve Rodsky is the author of Fair Play and creator of the viral Fair Play system, a revolutionary method for dividing household responsibilities with clarity and fairness. Dr. Allison Daminger is a sociologist at the University of Wisconsin and author of What’s On Her Mind, which dives deep into cognitive labor—the planning, tracking, and decision-making that often goes unseen. Enjoy part two of our special two part series. We will pick up where we left off. Enjoy the episode. 00:00 Introduction 01:06 Can you share some of your favorite success stories of couples using the Fair Play method and men, in particular, experiencing a boost in their own happiness and relationship satisfaction? 07:05 What are some subtle ways men have shifted from delegating to initiating mental labor in a home? 13:50 What do you say to skeptics who think "this work should just come naturally"? 17:08 What are the bumps in the road that men often experience employing the Fair Play method, and how do they work through them with their partners? 23:31 What cognitive labor traps do you see highly educated or dual-career couples falling into, and how can they work through them? 28:41 How can we prevent the motherhood penalty from occurring in our relationships? #ModernHusbands #FairPlayMethod #EqualPartners #MentalLoad #MarriagePodcast Subscribe or follow Modern Husbands on social media! Newsletter Facebook YouTube LinkedIn Instagram Twitter TikTok Substack

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How Men Can Share the Mental Load: Fair Play, Cognitive Labor, and Leading at Home

Welcome to the Modern Husbands podcast, where any combination of Dr. Bruce Ross, Christian Sherrill, and Brian Page host national experts who share winning ideas to manage money and the home as a team. Today’s episode is part one of a two part episode on Empowering Men to Partner or Lead at Home. Today’s guests are Eve Rodsky, Dr. Kate Mangino, and Dr. Allison Daminger. Dr. Kate Mangino is the author of Equal Partners: Improving Gender Equality at Home, a field guide to evolving masculinity and domestic partnership. Eve Rodsky is the author of Fair Play and creator of the viral Fair Play system, a revolutionary method for dividing household responsibilities with clarity and fairness. Dr. Allison Daminger is a sociologist at the University of Wisconsin and author of What’s On Her Mind, which dives deep into cognitive labor—the planning, tracking, and decision-making that often goes unseen. Enjoy part one of our special two part series. 00:00 Introduction 01:08 What does it mean for a man to lead at home? What does it mean for men to lead at home today, and why can labeling it as women’s work be such a toxic label? 07:55 For those who are unfamiliar, can you describe the Fair Play system? 17:39 Your book explores the thinking work that drives a household. What examples can you share of men who shoulder an equitable or lion’s share of this type of labor, and what has allowed them to break the norm? 23:43 Can you share an example from Equal Partners of a man redefining provide in a powerful way? #ModernHusbands #FairPlayMethod #EqualPartners #MentalLoad #MarriagePodcast Subscribe or follow Modern Husbands on social media! Newsletter Facebook YouTube LinkedIn Instagram Twitter TikTok Substack