Medicine Stories

Amber Magnolia Hill

Together, we are remembering what it is to be human upon the Earth- through connection to the natural world, ancestral wisdom, nourishment, story, and community. Blending thoughtful research with deeply personal conversations, the show explores herbalism, women's metabolic health, burnout recovery, motherhood, lineage, and the practices that help us feel more resilient and alive in modern life. Hosted by Amber- a mother and herbalist who has healed from devastating midlife fatigue- Medicine Stories invites listeners into a slower, more relational way of caring for themselves, their families, and the living world around us.

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Today · 1 hr 14 min
Retaining Our Original Faces in an Age of Distortion - Rachel Brathen
What happens when a daughter watches her mother alter her face? What happens to our sense of rootedness and belonging when we've rejected the face our ancestors gave us? What happens to collective womanhood when we watch our elders cling to the appearance of youth at all costs? In an age of Choice Feminism (whatever a woman wants to do is inherently empowering!), what do we owe one another and the generations rising after us? This is a nuanced and non-shaming conversation. While Rachel and I feel securely grounded in our decisions to retain our original faces, we also acknowledge that there is a lot of room for discussion around these topics and that every woman's participatory threshold is going to fall at its own place along the spectrum of beauty treatments. We spoke in order to make our way through this confusing morass together- as mothers, as women with an audience, as crones in the making who know that there is actually no such thing as anti-aging. LINKS: Medicine Stories Patreon- bonus conversation w/ Rachel Amber's Healing Waters Nature Immersion Retreat in Costa Rica Nov 3-8 Rachel's post that inspired this episode My post on this topic The Mythic Medicine herb shop Rachel's website Quiz: Find Your Wise Woman Archetype Medicine Stories Facebook group Music by Mariee Siou (from her beautiful song Wild Eyes)
July 28 · 29 min
Healing Is Older Than the Internet: Our Collective Wellness Burnout
In the years since the pandemic, many of us have found ourselves deeply fatigued- not only physically and emotionally, but spiritually. The wellness world that once felt hopeful has become crowded with endless advice, conflicting opinions, and relentless marketing, leaving many people questioning who and what they can trust. As wellness has become increasingly commodified, it has also become harder to distinguish between what is truly nourishing and what simply captures our attention. Many are stepping back from the noise, longing for a slower, more grounded relationship with health. And yet, the desire to feel well has not disappeared. If anything, it has become more sincere. If you've ever felt disillusioned by wellness culture but still deeply long to be well, this one's for you. An off-the-cuff solo episode, I share musings on our collective loss of trust in the wellness industry, where that leaves me as the host of this podcast, and what has remained steady and true for me in the midst of ever-collapsing paradigms. Tell me your thoughts on Substack Girls trip this November Mythic Medicine herb shop
July 8 · 1 hr 21 min
Generational Depletion & Healing the Motherline Through Nourishment - Ashley Wulkan
Your body's story is bigger than you. The nutrient status of the woman who birthed you is stitched into your cellular fabric, and that line of mothers stretches far back in time with each woman's story affecting the next. A more expansive and feminine framework for healthcare is quietly being built by women and mothers delving into minerals, mitochondria, and the metabolic imprint of the motherline. Let's share our stories and help one another bring healing and clarity to this tender, sometimes overwhelming, and very personal topic. While many of us are raising children whose bodies carry the cumulative effects of compounding generational nutrient depletion, it is never too late to begin building a legacy of nourishment that can ripple forward through future generations. LINKS: Ashley's post on The Intergenerational Impact of Undernourished Mothers Medicine Stories Patreon bonus conversations Healing Waters Nature Immersion Retreat in Costa Rica Nov 3-8 The Mythic Medicine herb shop The paper Ashley mentioned Minerals in Pregnancy and Their Impact on Child Growth and Development Perdita Finn's book Take Back the Magic: Conversations with the Unseen World Amber on Instagram Quiz: Find Your Wise Woman Archetype Music by Mariee Siou (from her beautiful song Wild Eyes)
June 3 · 1 hr 7 min
Lost Hearthkeepers: Women, Empire, & Food - Kaleigh Mason
Often unseen amidst the tales of triumph, defeat, tragedy, and heroism of the 20th century's World Wars is the dramatic reshaping of food culture, family life, and women's work that these astronomically disruptive events wrought upon millions of people. Join nutritionist Kaleigh Mason and I as we explore the rise of industrialized and processed foods during wartime, the marketing that reframed convenience foods as symbols of progress, and the deeper cultural and generational health consequences of the loss of traditional foodways rooted in ancestry, land, and true nourishment. LINKS: Kaleigh's post that inspired this conversation Medicine Stories Patreon- bonus conversation w/ Kaleigh on Zeolite and detox protocols for children St. John's Wort Buy One Get One Half Off sale 6/3-10 w/ code SJWBOGO at Mythic Medicine Nutrition Elements Patreon Kaleigh on Instagram Amber on Instagram Quiz: Find Your Wise Woman Archetype Amber's Healing Waters Nature Immersion Retreat in Costa Rica Nov 3-8 Music by Mariee Siou (from her beautiful song Wild Eyes) Kaleigh's Instagram posts on the Highest Rated Supplements & Worst Rated Supplements based on her 20+ years in the natural health industry
May 21 · 1 hr 15 min
Earth Becoming Body: Tracking Dis/connection Through Lineage - Lindsay & Scott Courcelle
How did you observe your ancestors relating to their bodies, to the natural world, to nourishment, to rest? What memories do you carry of connection- or disconnection- in your lineage? So many of us today experience connection to the earth and to our own bodies as something fractured or difficult to access, but for most humans throughout history these relationships were simply woven into daily life. Today I am sharing my interview on the Homestead & Heal podcast- Lindsay & Scott Courcelle and I discuss how foodways, embodiment, and intimacy with the natural world have been disrupted over time, and how we are personally seeking to relearn our innate human capacity to relate to the Earth and to ourselves within our own lives and families. LINKS: Lindsay & Scott's new podcast Homestead & Heal Medicine Stories Patreon Mythic Medicine herbal remedies Lindsay's website Scott's website Lindsay on Instagram Scott on Instagram Amber on Instagram Quiz: Find Your Wise Woman Archetype Amber's Healing Waters Nature Immersion Retreat in Costa Rica Nov 3-8 Medicine Stories Facebook group Music by Mariee Siou (from her beautiful song Wild Eyes) My and Lindsay's previous podcast convo- The Living Matrix of Fascia & The Resonance of the Heart, on Apple or Spotify The earthy grandma AI avatar selling an Amazon herbal product on Instagram
May 6 · 1 hr 20 min
Understanding & Recovering From Life-Changing Burnout - Clara Belize Wisner
Energy loss happens gradually and then suddenly, creating confusion and the fear that you might never recover. My guest and I have both spent time in the depths of overwhelming fatigue, and we have both found our way back to ourselves again. Today we share our stories- the lifetime of inputs that set us up for collapse, the precipitating event that pushed Clara over the edge, what we learned while in the abyss, and how we've recovered our vitality. Clara is a certified nutritionist, mineral balancing practitioner, and mother living in Montana. Not only has she nourished herself back to health, but she has helped many other women to do the same. LINKS: Medicine Stories Patreon- bonus conversation w/ Clara The Mythic Medicine herb shop Clara's Deep Nourishment Course Clara's ReMothering Substack Clara on Instagram Amber on Instagram Quiz: Find Your Wise Woman Archetype Amber's Healing Waters Nature Immersion Retreat in Costa Rica Nov 3-8 Medicine Stories Facebook group Music by Mariee Siou (from her beautiful song Wild Eyes) PDF of the Energy book from 1985 The Energy Balance Podcast episode GLP-1 Drugs For Weight Loss
April 21 · 1 hr 13 min
What Real Life Nourishment Looks Like - Ashley Wulkan
After our recent episode together- The Epidemic of Women Undernourishing- Ashley and I received a flood of questions, so we decided to speak again and talk about what nourishment really means and what it can look like in a woman's busy daily life. We explore the delicate balance between avoiding food fear and maintaining thoughtful discernment about what we put into our bodies. We talk through macros, how to estimate your daily calorie needs, and how to recognize when you're truly nourished- including the question, "what if you gain weight when you start eating enough?" We also touch on the often-debated topic of fasting and whether it's supportive for women. Over on Patreon, we continue with listener questions: what it looks like to eat enough carbohydrates at each meal, what counts as a nourishing carb, how much you might need in a day, and whether soaking or sprouting matters. We also discuss carbs and adrenal health, eating in sync (or not) with your menstrual cycle, whether sensitive or neurodivergent women need different nutritional approaches, how nourishment can affect hormones and libido, and how to think about organic choices across produce, grains, meat, and dairy. Some of these answers may surprise you- my own perspective has shifted quite a bit in recent years! LINKS: Medicine Stories Patreon- bonus conversation answering listener questions Healing Waters Nature Immersion Retreat in Costa Rica Nov 3-8 (use code TROVAVERS200 for $200 off April 21st-23rd only) The Mythic Medicine herb shop Ashley's Free Guide Fundamental Nourishment for the Mother Body Ashley on Instagram Amber on Instagram Quiz: Find Your Wise Woman Archetype Medicine Stories Facebook group Music by Mariee Siou (from her beautiful song Wild Eyes) Jay Feldman's post on autophagy
April 1 · 1 hr 21 min
The Energy To Heal: Why Metabolism Matters Most - Kaya of Fundamental Nourishment
How well is your body turning food into fuel? At its core, every function in the body depends on cellular energy- your ability to convert carbohydrates, fats, and proteins into usable fuel. When that process is working well, the body has what it needs to detoxify, to sleep deeply, to regulate hormones, and to maintain resilience. When it's not, we can find ourselves chasing symptoms- fatigue, inflammation, hormone imbalance, chronic illness-without realizing they may all trace back to impaired metabolism. In this episode, I'm joined by Kaya, an independent health researcher and the voice behind Fundamental Nourishment. Kaya has a rare gift for translating complex scientific research into clear, grounded insight, helping bridge the gap between dense primary literature and real-life healing. Together, we explore metabolism as a central lens for understanding health, why so many modern conditions may stem from low cellular energy, and how shifting our focus toward nourishment- rather than restriction- can create meaningful change. On Patreon, we take this conversation further with a bonus episode: What Prometabolic Influencers Get Wrong. We unpack how the "prometabolic" label has become diluted online, the original ideas behind it, and where things have gone off track- from misinterpretations of Ray Peat's work to the unintended consequences many experienced when trying to follow rigid versions of this approach. Kaya also shares practical guidance for getting started with nourishment in a way that's grounded, bioindividual, and sustainable-without falling into another set of confusing food rules. If you value content created for humans, not algorithms, please consider joining Patreon to support this work. LINKS: Medicine Stories Patreon extended conversation- What Prometabolic Influencers Get Wrong (& a Focus on Fundamental Nourishment) Kaya's Substack Fundamental Nourishment Healing Waters Nature Immersion Retreat in Costa Rica Nov 3-8 The Mythic Medicine herb shop Quiz: Find Your Wise Woman Archetype Kaya on Instagram Amber on Instagram Medicine Stories Facebook group Music by Mariee Siou (from her beautiful song Wild Eyes)
March 18 · 1 hr 5 min
Beyond "HRT or Not?": Supporting the Bodies of Future Wise & Well Grandmothers - Jane Hardwicke Collings
Perimenopause & menopause are often framed as a problem to fix- and the conversation quickly collapses into a single question: HRT or not? But women's bodies are rarely that simple. In this episode, Jane Hardwicke Collings and I explore a more expansive and grounded approach to the menopause transition. Rather than asking whether hormones are the right answer for everyone, we look at a deeper question: how can we support the complex physiological process the body is already moving through? Our conversation examines the growing tendency to position hormone replacement therapy as a universal solution for perimenopause symptoms, and how that pattern echoes earlier chapters in women's healthcare, such as when the pill was prescribed for nearly every hormonal concern or when medical intervention became the default in birth. This isn't an anti-HRT conversation. It's an invitation to widen the lens. We talk about the many systems that influence the menopause transition and why supporting the body's foundations can be just as important as the hormonal conversation itself. For some women, HRT may become a meaningful part of their path. For others, it may not. But reducing the entire transition to a single intervention risks overlooking the complexity and intelligence of the female body. Just as we've begun shifting the conversation around menstruation and birth toward working with the body instead of overriding it, it's time to bring that same perspective to menopause. LINKS: Medicine Stories Patreon extended conversation- The Red Thread: Stories of Our Motherlines The Womancraft Way Quiz: Find Your Wise Woman Archetype Healing Waters Nature Immersion Retreat in Costa Rica Nov 3-8 The Mythic Medicine herb shop Jane on Instagram Amber on Instagram Medicine Stories Facebook group Music by Mariee Siou (from her beautiful song Wild Eyes)
March 4 · 1 hr 19 min
The Epidemic of Women Undernourishing - Ashley Wulkan
Many (if not most) women today are- often unintentionally and without realizing it- undernourishing to the point that our basic biological needs are not being met. Exhausted, anxious, and chasing down symptom after symptom, we are spending time, energy, and money on hormone testing, microbiome analysis, genetic sequencing, supplement protocols, etc. all while unknowingly not taking in enough calories and/or micronutrients for our bodies to work properly in the first place. Our culture today is awash in contradictory health information, food fear, warped wellness idealogies, and impossible beauty standards, but confusion around food and bodies goes back to at least our grandmothers' generation. We inherit nourishment beliefs and practices just as we inherit our mineral and nutrient stores. Ashley Wulkan- mother, herbalist, nutritionist, and mineral balancing practitioner- and I wish to simplify nourishment for women, not add to the noise. We do this for not only ourselves but for our collective mothers who never overcame their own food issues, and for our collective daughters who we fervently pray will adequately nourish themselves and their descendents far into the future. Let's rewrite the story. LINKS: Medicine Stories Patreon- bonus conversation on The Imprint of Nourishment- what we inherit and what we pass down Healing Waters Nature Immersion Retreat in Costa Rica Nov 3-8 The Mythic Medicine herb shop Ashley's Free Guide Fundamental Nourishment for the Mother Body Ashley on Instagram Amber on Instagram Quiz: Find Your Wise Woman Archetype Medicine Stories Facebook group Music by Mariee Siou (from her beautiful song Wild Eyes)
February 18 · 1 hr 19 min
The Liver Flush Trade-Off (Is It Right For You?) - Sena Maria & Dr. Suuzi Hazen
Thousands of people report major improvements in their health after doing the liver/gall bladder flush, but can it be harmful? The answer is- it depends, on a ton of variables, and no two people are going to experience the same physiological impact. Even when flushing is successful, there will be a cost to the body's nutrient stores. So what can we do to ensure that liver flushing will tip more toward beneficial and less toward depleting? What symptoms might indicate that a flush could benefit you? Are there gentler ways to do a flush? I'm your host Amber and today I am joined by mineral balancing practitioner Sena Maria and Doctor of Chinese Medicine Suuzi Hazen to discuss our experiences with liver flushing alongside considerations that we feel are missing from the online conversations we see about this process. The truth is that liver flushing is a trade off, with extraordinarily beneficial results possible but real depletion and imbalance also very possible, so let's talk about how to mitigate harmful results and tweak the protocol to fit your life and body. LINKS: Medicine Stories Patreon- Gentle Liver Flush Protocol & an extended conversational deep dive into this topic Healing Waters Nature Immersion Retreat in Costa Rica Nov 3-8 Violet Leaf Castor Oil The Mythic Medicine herb shop Suuzi's Mother's Best Liver Pills Sena Maria's website Sena on Instagram Suuzi on Instagram Amber on Instagram Quiz: Find Your Wise Woman Archetype Medicine Stories Facebook group Music by Mariee Siou (from her beautiful song Wild Eyes)
February 4 · 1 hr 15 min
The Peak Is Not the Path: The Physiology of Lasting Healing - Sena Maria
Healing is often framed through the lens of heroic breakthroughs, peak experiences, and emotional catharsis, but this episode centers a steadier path. Many modern healing trends—amplified by social media and the promise of instant transformation—can quietly deplete the body, especially for women, leading to every day burnout, long-term exhaustion, and chronic illness. Rather than bypassing the physical, we return to the essentials, recognizing that illness for modern women is often rooted in chronic stress and physiological depletion- not the lack of spiritual epiphanies or endless emotional processing. I'm joined today by women's health expert and mineral balancing practitioner Sena Maria, who brings grounded clarity to what true, lasting healing requires, helping us understand the body's intelligent responses to modern life and offering a vision of healing that is slow, nourishing, and sustainable. LINKS: Healing Waters Nature Immersion Retreat with Amber Nov 3-8 Medicine Stories Patreon (extended convo about the interplay of serotonin, histamine, and estrogen, plus a discount link for Sena's membership program Radiantly Nourished) The Mythic Medicine herb shop Sena's free 11 minute video showing her HTMA progression From Burnout To Thriving Before Burnout (discount code BB10) Ashley Wulkan's post on undernourishment Quiz: Find Your Wise Woman Archetype Amber on Instagram Sena on Instagram Medicine Stories Facebook group Music by Mariee Siou (from her beautiful song Wild Eyes)
January 20 · 1 hr 21 min
Modern Midlife Hits Different (Especially for Mothers) - Jessie Harrold
Midlife is a powerful threshold, one that is often misunderstood or endured in shame and solitude. In this episode, we explore the in-between terrain where old identities dissolve and new ways of being have not yet fully emerged. Jessie and I reflect on how today's societal pressures collide with the emotional and biological realities of midlife and motherhood, creating an unprecedented landscape that calls for more compassion, more community, and more honest conversations. By naming and honoring these transitions, especially those unique to women, we open the door to self-discovery, validation, and personal and collective growth. Links: Medicine Stories Patreon (extended convo w/ Jessie on The Freebirth Fallout) The Costa Rica Healing Waters Nature Immersion Retreat w/ Amber, November 2026 Jessie's website Jessie on Instagram Find Your Wise Woman Archetype The Mythic Medicine herb shop Mythic Medicine on Instagram Medicine Stories Facebook group Music by Mariee Siou (from her beautiful song Wild Eyes)
Nov 4, 2025 · 1 hr 24 min
First Blood & Lost Rites of Passage - Kami McBride
Menarche- a girl's first period- shapes how we experience womanhood for the rest of our lives, and the lack of initiation most of us experience is itself an initiation. In this culture that has fractured from the rites and wisdom of our grandmothers, where so many of us met our first period with confusion or shame, how do we begin to heal this tender threshold- for our daughters, and for the younger version of ourselves? In a conversation brimming with practical suggestions, my herb teacher Kami McBride- who has led countless women's circles, developed and taught a class for cycling women, and even written a book on menstruation- shares her decades of experience and insight. Together, we explore how to remember what was once celebrated, and how to bring reverence and empowerment back to this profound beginning. Medicine Stories Patreon (thank you!)- enter the giveaway & get a list of my favorite books on menstruation Kami's free classes: DIY Body Butter for Gifting & Top 3 Stress-Melting Herbal Oils Kami's course: Handcrafted Healing Herbal Oils Join me at the Medicine Stories Healing Waters Nature Immersion Retreat in Costa Rica November 2026! Mythic Medicine herbal remedies- take our quiz to be notified when our Moment Markers Bundles become available Kami on Instagram Amber on Instagram Music by Mariee Siou (from her beautiful song Wild Eyes)
Oct 22, 2025 · 1 hr 23 min
TCM's 7yr Timeline of Women's Life Transitions - Dr. Suuzi Hazen
Did you notice metabolic changes around age 35 and/or 42? Does perimenopause even exist? Is there an ideal childbearing window? Why are humans one of the only species to experience menopause? Suuzi Hazen, doctor of Chinese Medicine and my closest companion in healing from midlife burnout, gives us the Traditional Chinese Medicine perspective on the 7 year framework for girls' and womens' life transitions. Suuzi's post that inspired this conversation Join me & Suuzi at the Medicine Stories Healing Waters Nature Immersion Retreat in Costa Rica November 2026! Medicine Stories Podcast Related previous episodes with Suuzi- Nourishment Lost, Women's Bodies are Metabolically Expensive, Midlife Burnout for Women Mother's Best Liver Pills by Suuzi Women's Bodies podcast by Suuzi Mythic Medicine herbal remedies- take our quiz to be notified when our Moment Markers Bundles become available Suuzi on Instagram Me on Instagram Leonard Shlain Music by Mariee Siou (from her beautiful song Wild Eyes)
Sep 15, 2025 · 1 hr 11 min
Reshaped by Parenthood: Families, Fathers, and the First Year - Rachelle Seliga
Birth opens the door, but what comes after walks you through it. Many new parents find themselves moving through the first year feeling lonely, confused, and wondering why it's so hard. In this episode, I'm joined again by Rachelle Seliga of Innate Traditions, who has spent over 20 years teaching and gathering communities to explore postpartum, motherhood, and revillaging. Together, we open the conversation wider — into the realm of fatherhood — with Rachelle's signature depth, wisdom, and grounded practicality. Whether you're preparing for birth or reflecting on your own postpartum journey, this conversation offers insight, validation, and a new lens on what it means to be reshaped by parenthood. Planning for the Fourth Trimester for Mothers & Fathers workshop with Rachelle and Dan Two Medicine Stories Patreon bonuses: 1) extended interview w/ Rachelle giving me her hot takes on controversial wellness/spirituality topics and 2) audio recording of me giving a podcast/medicine/life/health status update Rachelle's previous Medicine Stories appearance Revillaging: Maternal, Cultural, and Planetary Wellness Are One Take our fun quiz Which Healing Herb Matches Your Energy? Innate Traditions Website Innate Traditions Instagram Mythic Medicine Website Mythic Medicine Instagram Music by Mariee Siou (from her beautiful song Wild Eyes)
Apr 9, 2025 · 1 hr 33 min
Cannabis-Induced Psychosis: A Mother's Story of Love and Loss - Tara Couture of Slowdown Farmstead
In 2021 Tara and her family got the knock on their door that every parent fears most. In the days that followed they discovered eighteen-year-old Mila's journal and were able to piece together the shocking and devastating chain of events that led to her death. Tara's Instagram and Substack, Slowdown Farmstead, is followed and admired by tens of thousands of people. Tara and her husband raised their three daughters on their beautiful Canadian farm, lovingly tending to and butchering their own livestock in order to nourish their family and community. Deeply acquainted with the cycles of nature, Tara has a perspective on the interconnectedness of life and death that was the daily reality for our ancestors but eludes most modern people. But that did not prepare her for what could happen when a drug that is now bred to be as strong as any pharmaceutical- and which is often misunderstood as being a benign herbal medicine- snuck its way into her daughter's life at a vulnerable time and completely rewired her brain in a matter of months. It is our hope that sharing Mila's story will make more people aware of the increasingly common psychosis that is a side effect of the new high-THC strains of cannabis on the market, and especially of its dangers for the developing teenage brain. Please read the articles linked below for more. Tara's essay What Happened To Our Daughter- don't miss the dozens of resources about the risks of cannabis at the end How Weed Became the New OxyContin: Big Pharma and Big Tobacco Are Helping Market High-Potency, Psychosis-Inducing THC Products as Your Mother's 'Medical Marijuana' Patreon bonus conversation- What We Want Our Daughter To Know: women, restriction, chronic illness & more on Tara's metabolic journey Learn more about Tara's book Radiance of the Ordinary Slowdown Farmstead on Substack and Instagram Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome Take our fun quiz Which Healing Herb Matches Your Energy? My website MythicMedicine.love Mythic Medicine on Instagram Medicine Stories Facebook group Music by Mariee Siou (from her beautiful song Wild Eyes)
Mar 1, 2025 · 1 hr 32 min
Women Making Medicine for Healing & Connection - Kami McBride
My most beloved herbal elder and I talk about our favorite subject- women throughout time using plants for self care, family healing, and community connection. After nearly 4 decades as a practicing herbalist and teacher, and in an age of informational overabundance, Kami has seen what actually works when it comes to truly embodying herbal knowing. Find Kami's freebies & learn more about Handcrafted Healing Herbal Oils (including the peek at what you see when you log in to the course). Two Patreon bonuses for this episode- 1) an extended conversation with Kami where we share our stories of Mothering Without Elders 2) two free videos with Kami entitled Garden Herb Walk- meet 9 favorite garden herbs that can calm the nerves, help with digestion, heal the skin, kick a cold, and more! Let's meet beautiful edible and medicinal flowers, weeds, leaves and seeds and find out which ones are used for what. Kami's book The Herbal Kitchen Amber's website MythicMedicine.love Take our fun quiz Which Healing Herb Matches Your Energy? Amber/Mythic Medicine on Instagram Medicine Stories Facebook group Music by Mariee Siou (from her beautiful song Wild Eyes)
Feb 17, 2025 · 1 hr 53 min
Nourishment Lost: in Culty Spaces, Self Induced, & Culturewide - Dr. Suuzi Hazen
Suuzi and I continue the discussion sparked by my last episode about culty trends in the wellness space by talking about her past with Kundalini yoga- what drew her in and, eventually, how noticing the state of nourishment of those deepest into the cult precipitated her exit. We then catch listeners up on our midlife metabolic meltdown hEaLinG jOuRnEyS and what path we're taking forward as we continue to recover our vitality and deepen our understanding of why women's bodies are so metabolically expensive. Patreon bonuses for this episode include an extended conversation w/ Suuz about the reaction to the German New Medicine episode (114) & how it surprisingly kindled a discussion amongst patrons about a remarkably similar ideology, a 10% off coupon code for Suuzi's grass fed, grass finished liver pills, and a chance to ask us questions. Also photos of Suuzi in turbans! Dr. Suuzi on Instagram Mother's Best Liver Pills Amber's website MythicMedicine.love Take our fun quiz Which Healing Herb Matches Your Energy? Amber/Mythic Medicine on Instagram Medicine Stories Facebook group Music by Mariee Siou (from her beautiful song Wild Eyes) Mentioned in this episode: Kimberly Ann Johnson on Whose Body Is It Breath of Fire Kundalini cult/Guru Jagat documentary Kathleen Stewart's story The Rooted in Resilience podcast and specific Minnesota Starvation Experiment episodes with Kathleen Stewart The Energy Balance Podcast The group coaching program Suuzi is in is Transfrom Cronometer nutrition tracking app How to Not Get Fat on the "Pro-Metabolic Diet": a guide for switching to nourishing foods while avoiding fat gain by Kaya of Fundamental Nourishment Eating a "Pro-Metabolic Diet" Will Not Heal You: an appeal for having context to understand the big picture by Kaya of Fundamental Nourishment
Feb 5, 2025 · 1 hr 38 min
German New Medicine: A Lot of Magical Thinking & A Little Bit Culty Too - Demetra Gray
GNM is an alt health trend that has grown in popularity in recent years. It is attractive to so many (including me and my guest, once) because it acknowledges the role that emotions and trauma play in physical health and symptom manifestation, something that mainstream medicine still somehow refuses to do. But just because some aspects of an ideology are true and helpful does not mean that the entire framework is valid. Critical thinking and humility are essential tools for navigating information overload and complex frameworks, especially when it comes to health. The allure of certainty and specialized knowledge can lead people to adopt rigid belief systems that don't hold up to critical thinking, and the the zealotry of believing that your group's belief system will save the world only further strengthens unconscious confirmation bias (along with other logical fallacies common in GNM- loading the language, heads you lose tails I win, us v them thinking, bizarre antisemitic conspiracies, etc). But what might be most worrisome about this growing movement is the purity mindset demanded of its more extreme adherents- the belief that nothing outside of us can affect us if only we believe strongly enough in our own omnipotence and prove our righteousness and purity by attaining a total lack of symptoms. What is viewed as radical sovereignty and empowerment is really just outright magical thinking reinforced by an absence of humility, mystery, and the reality that ultimately we are not in control of what happens to us. The body is not a closed system; we are deeply embedded in overlapping ecologies. This episode has been years in the making, and I have been asked time and time again for my take on GNM. When I was sent Demetra's essay on the subject I knew that I had finally found the right person to have this conversation with. Her past cult experience, and my years of deep dives into culty thinking and behavior, provide a lens through which to view this phenomenon. Though we do not claim that GNM is a cult in the traditional sense, cultishness is a spectrum and GNM is definitely on that spectrum. Also its tenets are demonstrably false, and have led to death in some cases. NBD. In our Patreon bonus conversation Demetra shares her cult story- joining what she thought was a good thing, slowly realizing it wasn't, leaving, being attacked by the leader and other members, and the long "deprogramming" and stabilization process that all cult survivors undergo Demetra's essay The Culty Fraud of German New Medicine Dr. Moss's report German New Medicine- Hope or Hoax? Demetra's podcast Impolite Company on Spotify and Apple Amber's website MythicMedicine.love Take our fun quiz Which Healing Herb Matches Your Energy? Mythic Medicine on Instagram Medicine Stories Facebook group Music by Mariee Siou (from her beautiful song Wild Eyes) Mentioned in this episode: Tension Myositis Syndrome Cell Danger Response A Little Bit Culty podcast (the best!) Cult documentaries (by no means an extensive list)- The Vow (NXIVM), Stolen Youth: Inside the Cult at Sarah Lawrence, Breath of Fire (Kundalini yoga), The Way Down: God, Greed, and the Cult of Gwen Shamblin Steven Hassan's BITE model Cult expert Robert Jay Lifton