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Make It Plain Podcast

Kehinde Andrews

The Make it Plain podcast is hosted by Kehinde Andrews, chair of Harambee OBU and professor of Black Studies. Each week he discusses what's happening in the world and interviews people you need to hear from.

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Written and hosted: Kehinde Andrews
Artwork: Assata Andrews
YouTube: Kadiri Andrews

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August 16 · 1 hr 4 min
The lynching of Jason Arday
A public lynching, a media pile-on, and a university that should have stopped it but didn't. This episode goes straight at the Jason Arday story and asks the question everyone should be confronting now: how did a respected black professor become the target of a three-and-a-half-year campaign that ended in tragedy? Kehinde breaks down the pressure campaign from the right-wing press, the role of race in the scrutiny, and why the usual "wait for the facts" response collapses when the facts have already been twisted into a weapon. He makes it clear that the story was never really about plagiarism or credentials, but about a racist mob, institutional cowardice, and a failure to back someone who was clearly under attack. Kehinde also connects this to a broader pattern that anyone in academia will recognize - the scrutiny, the PR optics, the selective outrage, and the way institutions protect themselves while abandoning the person at the centre. It's a furious, unsparing episode about responsibility, cowardice, and what solidarity should look like when it actually matters. Essential listening if you care about media accountability, race in public life, or the cost of staying silent when a smear campaign is unfolding in front of you. We are also share part of a lecture delivered by professor Arday at Anglia Ruskin University, please do check out the whole video, link below Support Jason Arday. Sign the petition for a public inquiry https://goodlawproject.org/petition/jason-arday-letter/ Watch the full video of Professor Arday speaking at Anglia Ruskin University in 2025: UNLEARN LIGHTBULB: I guess I'm doing fine, I guess I'm doing fine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOZW-J1hcd4 Join Harambee OBU: www.blackunity.org.uk Written and hosted by: Kehinde Andrews Edited by: Kadiri Andrews Artwork by: Assata Andrews
S4 · E8
August 5 · 56 min
End of Black Studies at BCU + Jason Arday Witch hunt
Kehinde starts off by delivering the news that he and two other colleagues are now off the books at Birmingham City University. Thanks to everyone who singed the petition and supported the campaign but university management decided to go ahead with their vandalism. He will spill all the tea in the coming weeks but for now just know that there are plans ahead to build on Black Studies outside of the confines of the university....but we have to hold to account those who pretend to be for racial justice and Black staff and students but then make decisions like cutting Black Studies and letting go of staff members. Yes, we are looking at you David Mba (Vice Chancellor) and Marcia Wilson (on the university executive team) who refused to meet or even acknowledge the myriad of problems with the way staff and students have been treated. Kehinde unpacks how Jason's rise to become one of the youngest Black professors at Cambridge is met with a racist smear campaign fueled by centuries of institutional bias. While the media pushes exaggerated claims, the real scandal lies in how Black success is undermined and devalued. Discover how deep-rooted racism shapes narratives around Black scholars, and why this matters for all of us fighting for equality. You'll learn about the systematic mechanisms that keep Black academics marginalized — from the false allegations to the selective scrutiny that White colleagues rarely face. Kehinde dives into the broader implications: how these campaigns threaten diversity, silence Black voices, and uphold a racist hierarchy in academia. This episode isn't just about Jason — it's a urgent call to recognize the subtle, systemic ways Black achievement is dismissed. If you're committed to justice, diversity, and dismantling systemic racism, this conversation is essential. Plus, Kehinde highlights why Cambridge and institutions like it are emblematic of a bigger problem, and how Black studies can be a vital tool in resisting these attacks and building independent spaces for Black scholarship. Whether you're an academic, activist, or curious supporter of racial justice, this episode will challenge your perceptions and inspire action. Join us as we expose the racism behind the headlines and learn how to stand up for truth, integrity, and Black excellence in education. Support Jason Arday. Sign the petition. Demand accountability. And remember — systemic racism only persists when we remain silent. Petition to support Jason Arday: https://goodlawproject.org/petition/stand-in-solidarity-with-jason-arday/ Read the public letter and sign the petition in support of Black Studies at BCU https://c.org/hnpyKBCX7X Join Harambee OBU: www.blackunity.org.uk Written and hosted by: Kehinde Andrews Edited by: Kadiri Andrews Artwork by: Assata Andrews
S4 · E7
July 14 · 1 hr 3 min
The end of Black Studies at BCU + Despite the World Cup England is racist + Farage against.. a bin
Welcome to this week's episode of Make it Plain. Kehinde opens up with an update about the Black Studies and shares that he has been served his papers. Pending one last appeal Black Studies is closed and 3 out of the 5 staff members, including Kehinde, will be out of their jobs by the end of July. Please support by signing the petition, link below, or email David Mba (David.mba@bcu.ac.uk) on of two Black Vice Chancellors in the country who is supposedly a champion of Black staff and students. He then reflects on England's success in the World Cup and warns us not to get carried away with all the praise for Black players. Jude Bellingham is just one missed penalty away from being called a monkey on social media! He also laughs at the prospect of Nigel Farage being beaten in an election by Count Binface...yes a man dressed up as an alien with a large silver bin on his head! It would be the funniest political moments in history, and well deserved for the foul Farage. This episode features an interview with Badji Alfousseynou, who was on the West African Road Residency, on the bus from the Library of Africa and the African Diaspora in Ghana, to the Convention for Afrikan People in Gambia. Badji was the diplomat for the bus in Francophone Africa, and the most staunch Pan-Africanist Kehinde has ever met. They talk about the trip Badji's work in the community in Senegal and the prospects for a Pan-African future. Read the public letter and sign the petition in support of Black Studies at BCU https://c.org/hnpyKBCX7X Find out about Badji and the residents: https://loatad.org/2026/04/29/meet-the-2026-loatad-west-africa-road-residents/ Read Badji Alfousseynou & Sagou Banou's piece on Guniea: Guinea Conakry: A Resounding "Yes" to the Pan-African Dream || Senegal & Mali https://brittlepaper.com/2026/06/guinea-conakry-a-resounding-yes-to-the-pan-african-dream-badji-alfousseynou-sagou-banou-senegal-mali/ Join Harambee OBU: www.blackunity.org.uk Written and hosted by: Kehinde Andrews Edited by: Kadiri Andrews Artwork by: Assata Andrews
S4 · E7
June 20 · 1 hr 1 min
Mediocre White men dominate politics yet again + opening up the racist mailbag
Welcome to this week's episode of Make it Plain. Kehinde opens up with an update about the Black Studies situation at Birmingham City University. Unfortunately, the university has ignored almost 10,000 signatories to the petition and the public backlash against their decision to cut the course and get rid of Black members of staff. Please do continue to support the campaign. He then reflects on Andy Burnham winning the by-election that opens up a leadership challenge for British prime minster. He warns that Labour is dominated by a fight between mediocre White men that can only lead to negative outcomes for all of us. Kehinde never addresses the trolls, or usually even reads the comments but for change he opens up the racist mailbag. The questions and comments are so ludicrous its an excellent opportunity to laugh at the state of the world. From 'where is the White Studies professor?' to people quoting Michael Jackson, join us on the hilarious journey through the psychosis of Whiteness. Harambee OBU will be having its annual general meeting online and in person on June 27th. Register at: https://hobuagm.eventbrite.co.uk Read the public letter and sign the petition in support of Black Studies at BCU https://c.org/hnpyKBCX7X Join Harambee OBU: www.blackunity.org.uk Written and hosted by: Kehinde Andrews Edited by: Kadiri Andrews Artwork by: Assata Andrews
S4 · E7
June 9 · 1 hr
David Lammy loses the plot on police racism + the media let Farage exploit the death of Henry Nowak
The racist myth that police aren't inherently institutionally racist is finally debunked—yet the denial persists, this time being spread by Labour politician David Lammy. Kehinde exposes the shocking reality behind police practices, racism in politics, and how the narratives we've been fed are designed to keep systemic injustice intact. Why do policymakers and even some Black leaders deny the deep-rooted institutional racism in law enforcement, and how is this denial harming us all? In this provocative episode, Kehinde unpacks the disturbing footage of police misconduct—whether it's the brutal treatment of Black victims or the tragic case of Henry Nowak—and reveals how these are not isolated incidents but symptoms of a racist system built into the very fabric of policing. You'll discover why claims of "bad apples" are a distraction from the real problem: the institution itself. We break down how reforms have been cosmetic, rooted in interest convergence and staged crises, rather than genuine systemic change. We explore the long history of police brutality, from the Stephen Lawrence case to the recent obsession with "two-tier systems," and how mainstream discourse is shifting blame away from institutional racism toward individual incompetence or "bad character." Kehinde challenges you to reframe the conversation—reject the false dichotomy of "racism against white people" and see the real enemy: systemic, structural racism woven into policies, practices, and culture. This episode is essential listening for anyone fed up with superficial police reform and ready to understand how to organize beyond politics as usual. Why is true reform impossible without changing the fundamental frameworks? And how can Black communities organize for power outside these collapsing institutions? Kehinde urges us to see this crisis not as a sign of racial decline but as a wake-up call for radical resistance and unity. Whether you're a student, activist, or concerned citizen, this episode will challenge your assumptions, reveal uncomfortable truths, and inspire collective action. The fight for real justice starts with understanding the frames we're told to accept—and rejecting them. Why listen? Because systemic racism in policing is not a myth. It's a lived reality that demands radical rethinking, community organization, and a break from the narratives that keep us divided. It's time to expose the illusions, flip the frame, and build a future rooted in truth and resistance. Join Kehinde as he unpacks these uncomfortable truths—ready to challenge the mainstream, ignite your political consciousness, and link the dots between police brutality, racial injustice, and the urgent need for grassroots power. Police bodycam shows officers handcuffing Henry Nowak as he lay dying: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c172kkwpd9xo Lammy Review in 2017 https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/lammy-review-final-report Read the public letter and sign the petition in support of Black Studies at BCU https://c.org/hnpyKBCX7X Join Harambee OBU: www.blackunity.org.uk Written and hosted by: Kehinde Andrews Edited by: Kadiri Andrews Artwork by: Assata Andrews
S4 · E7
May 30 · 1 hr 37 min
Kimberlé Crenshaw on Backtalker; Intersectionality; CRT and in defence of Black Studies
We share what may have been the last ever event at Birmingham City University for Black Studies, a conversation between Kehinde and, Professor Kimberlé Crenshaw on her ground breaking new book 'Backtalker'. More than 400 people came out to celebrate the work. The fight to preserve Black Studies is more urgent than ever—and it's rooted in a history of erasure, resistance, and unwavering community strength. In this deeply personal and powerful episode, the pioneer behind critical race theory and intersectionality, pulls back the curtain on how systemic forces are rewriting history and silencing truths—yet black communities continue to fight back with resilience and sharp analysis. Crenshaw shares eye-opening stories from her own life—like nearly being killed by her ex in college, and the relentless efforts to undermine Black women's experiences—highlighting the critical need to defend the frameworks that illuminate racial and gender injustice. She explores how powerful narratives are deliberately erased—whether through bans on books, attacks on Black Studies curricula, or censorship of vital concepts like intersectionality—and exposes how these acts aim to rewrite the story of racial progress. You'll discover how right-wing forces are systematically dismantling the academic and cultural pillars that document and challenge racial oppression. Crenshaw breaks down the real impact of banning ideas like critical race theory, queer theory, and Black Studies—an assault not just on education, but on democracy itself. She also shares strategic lessons on how activists, scholars, and communities can push back effectively—by reclaiming history, advancing intersectional analysis, and resisting the forces that threaten to erase the wisdom of marginalized voices. This episode is perfect for students of social justice, educators, activists, and anyone committed to understanding how embedded power structures operate—and how to dismantle them. Crenshaw's insights equip us with the tools to fight for an authentic, inclusive "we" that acknowledges all of our experiences and histories, especially those most vulnerable. Why does the attack on Black Studies and intersectionality matter? Because the future depends on whether we will defend the knowledge that roots us in truth, or allow it to be wiped out. Join Professor Crenshaw—whose work helped shape the civil rights movement and who continues to lead the fight for justice—and get inspired to speak back and stand firm in this crucial moment. Get your copy of Backtalker now: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/446848/backtalker-by-crenshaw-kimberle-williams/9780241585221 Read the public letter and sign the petition in support of Black Studies at BCU https://c.org/hnpyKBCX7X Read about the attack on Black Studies: BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy2d6eg050o The Voice: https://www.voice-online.co.uk/news/uk-news/2026/05/18/they-just-dont-care-about-black-stuff-prof-kehinde-andrews-slams-decision-to-axe-bcu-black-studies-degree/ Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2026/may/12/birmingham-city-university-urged-not-to-axe-black-studies-ma In the Times Higher: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/black-studies-masters-course-close-birmingham-city Join Harambee OBU: www.blackunity.org.uk Written and hosted by: Kehinde Andrews Edited by: Kadiri Andrews Artwork by: Assata Andrews
S4 · E7
May 19 · 1 hr 13 min
Happy Malcolm Day, Black Studies + Prof Peniel Joseph on X's legacy + the attack on civil rights
Happy Malcolm X Day. On Malcolm 101st Birthday Kehinde reflects on what Malcolm would say if he were alive today. Rest assured he would have been angry about the state of things. After providing a brief update about the Black Studies situation at Birmingham City University, Kehinde reflects on the Unite the Kingdom rally and the fresh bunch of English flags popping up around the UK. We are joined by guest Dr. Peniel Joseph, author of Freedom Season and many other books. He shares insights on Malcolm's relevance today, the importance of dignity, and reflects on the attacks on the civil rights that were hard fought for. Check out Freedom Season: https://www.hachette.co.uk/titles/peniel-joseph/freedom-season/9781541675896/ Read the public letter and sign the petition in support of Black Studies at BCU https://c.org/hnpyKBCX7X Read about the attack on Black Studies: BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy2d6eg050o The Voice: https://www.voice-online.co.uk/news/uk-news/2026/05/18/they-just-dont-care-about-black-stuff-prof-kehinde-andrews-slams-decision-to-axe-bcu-black-studies-degree/ Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2026/may/12/birmingham-city-university-urged-not-to-axe-black-studies-ma In the Times Higher: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/black-studies-masters-course-close-birmingham-city Read the Dismantling of Black Studies by Prof Jafari Allen about the assault on our work in the US: https://www.thenation.com/article/society/black-studies-freedom-democracy/ Get your FREE ticket for what might be the final Black Studies event at Birmingham City University. Sunday May 24th the Black Studies team will be hosting Kimberlé Crenshaw to talk her new book Backtalker, and the importance of defending Black intellectual thought. https://Kimberlecrenshaw.eventbrite.co.uk Join Harambee OBU: www.blackunity.org.uk Written and hosted by: Kehinde Andrews Edited by: Kadiri Andrews Artwork by: Assata Andrews
S4 · E7
May 13 · 58 min
Save Black Studies and the 5 staff up for redundancy; Reform's big day may be good in the long run
Welcome to this week's episode of "Make It Plain." Kehinde reveals what has getting him stressed and tired...the troubling news that management at Birmingham City University have decided to close the Black Studies program, putting five Black staff members, including himself at risk of redundancy. This decision comes despite promises to the contrary and highlights a attack on Black intellectual thought. We discuss the impact of this closure on students and staff, of the sudden closure of the MA Black Studies and Global Justice, with absolutely no notice or consultation. Kehinde emphasises the transformative power of Black Studies in education. The program has been instrumental in supporting students who might not have otherwise attended university, helping them achieve remarkable academic success. The episode also covers the recent local elections in the UK, where the Reform Party, led by Nigel Farage, made significant gains. Kehinde explores the implications of these results and the potential threat they pose to the political landscape, while also finding a silver lining in the overconfidence it will lead to in Farage, ultimately blocking the real danger of the next general election in the UK. Throughout the discussion, we stress the importance of community support and the need for independent Black organisations to thrive outside traditional institutions. We invite listeners to join us in upcoming events and initiatives aimed at preserving and promoting Black Studies and intellectual thought. Read the public letter and sign the petition in support https://c.org/hnpyKBCX7X Read about the attack on Black Studies in the Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2026/may/12/birmingham-city-university-urged-not-to-axe-black-studies-ma In the Times Higher: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/black-studies-masters-course-close-birmingham-city Get you FREE ticket for what might be the final Black Studies event at Birmingham City University. Sunday May 24th the Black Studies team will be hosting Kimberlé Crenshaw to talk her new book Backtalker, and the importance of defending Black intellectual thought: https://Kimberlecrenshaw.eventbrite.co.uk Join Harambee OBU: www.blackunity.org.uk Written and hosted by: Kehinde Andrews Edited by: Kadiri Andrews Artwork by: Assata Andrews
S4 · E7
May 2 · 1 hr 25 min
America is Europe on steroids; the attack on voting rights + Liberian Pan-Africanists speak
For the first time in his life a politician canvassed Kehinde for a vote, for the upcoming local elections on May 7th. This is lead to reflection on the the Supreme Court gutting the Voting Rights Act and allowing the Louisiana Republicans to draw racist maps for the US midterms. As with most things America is Europe on steroids, where you can see the racism more clearly, but it is no better the UK where the maps are drawn by a commission but the impact is the same. He also uses the story of the US ruling and the Black ultra-conservative judge as a way to tease the news that will drop next week, that has him tired angry this episode. Tune in next week for the reveal. As part of the West African Road Residency, trip the Convention of African People, the group stopped in Monrovia, Liberia to speak to two longstanding Pan-Africanists in the country Conmany and Madina Wesseh. We share the interview with them and the group. It is a fascinating discussion about the history of Pan-Africanism, Liberia and where do we go from here. Black Studies at Birmingham City University will be hosting US legal scholar activist Professor Kimberlé Crenshaw on May 24th from 3-6pm to launch her new book Backtalker Get your free ticket at: https://Kimberlecrenshaw.eventbrite.co.uk Conmany Wisseh's Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conmany_Wesseh Find out more about the Convention of Afrikan People https://make-it-plain.org/convention-of-afrikan-people/ Support the Library of Africa and the African Diaspora: https://loatad.org/ Join Harambee OBU: www.blackunity.org.uk Written and hosted by: Kehinde Andrews Edited by: Kadiri Andrews Artwork by: Assata Andrews
S4 · E7
April 25 · 1 hr 22 min
From Ghana to Gambia on a bus to explore Pan Africanism + Femicide hits the US news
Kehinde returns to vividly recounts his 2-week journey through West Africa's complex landscape from the Library of Africa and the African Diaspora in Accra, Ghana to the Convention for Afrikan People in Banjul, Gambia. Friend of the pod, newly minted Dr Erika Brown, joins to discuss the 3,000km trip. From harrowing slave castles in Ghana to border crossings that can take hours Kehinde's personal reflections offer a raw, unfiltered view on what it truly means to witness disparities of wealth, infrastructure, and opportunity firsthand—and how these scars shape the collective psyche of the continent. Before they get into the conversation Erika catches Kehinde up on what has happened since he has been away, discussing the recent media stories of femicide in the US and the pitfalls of financial literacy. Find out more about the Convention of Afrikan People https://make-it-plain.org/convention-of-afrikan-people/ Follow Erika at the Broke-ish podcast https://brokeish.com/ Support the Library of Africa and the African Diaspora: https://loatad.org/ Join Harambee OBU: www.blackunity.org.uk Written and hosted by: Kehinde Andrews Edited by: Kadiri Andrews Artwork by: Assata Andrews
S4 · E7
April 4 · 1 hr 8 min
There's was no such thing as 'American' slavery + Mailbag episode
Following on from last week's episode about reparation Kehinde breaks his usual rules and opens up the Twitter comments. As expected there was some backlash from the American Descendants of Slavery (ADOS) and Foundational Black Americans (FBA) to the notion that Africa has a reparations claim due to the damage done to the continent due to slavery. While he would usually avoid the 'White noise' in the comments, he felt he had to address the delusions coming from Black folk. After all, Malcolm told us that we need a 'programme of political re-education'. Join him as he explains why he took the step over going into the comments and addresses the terrible ideas that he came across. He also opens up the mailbag and answers listeners questions. The last pod of every month will be a mailbag so leave your questions in the comments or email mip@blackunity.org.uk Kehinde's article on reparations 'The Knife is Still in Our Backs: Reparations Washing and the Limits of Reparatory Justice Campaigns' https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/dech.12848?af=R Support Make it Plain: https://make-it-plain.org/support-us/ Join Harambee OBU https://www.blackunity.org.uk/ Written and hosted by Kehinde Andrews Produced by Kadiri Andrews Artwork by Assata Andrews
S4 · E7
March 28 · 1 hr 7 min
Be careful what reparations you wish for
With Ghana's successful UN resolution declaring slavery a ''crime against humanity' Kehinde reflects on the current state of the reparations movement. Unfortunately, most of the world's efforts for reparations are nothing but a fancy disguise for ongoing exploitation and empty promises. From CARICOM to ADOS, to disgraceful attempts like Lloyds of London, join us for this fiery episode, we cut through the performative gestures to expose the brutal reality: without genuine economic and political power, reparations remain an illusion — a way to keep us begging rather than taking what's ours. Join us as we dive deep into the scars of slavery's legacy, exploring how colonialism, capitalism, and internal betrayal have decimated Africa and the diaspora for centuries. You'll discover why calls for aid, apologies, and symbolic resolutions are distractions from the true fight: building self-sufficient, sovereign nations that refuse to accept crumbs from a system built on their suffering. We break down the latest UN declarations, revealing how declarations of "crimes against humanity" serve as PR stunts that hide the complicity of nations like Britain, the US, and Argentina in their ongoing refusal to reckon with their past. You'll hear why the real solution lies beyond hollow apologies, demanding collective economic sovereignty, land, and resources — the foundations of true revolutionary reparation. This episode is a wake-up call for those tired of being promised justice that never comes. Perfect for activists, thinkers, and anyone ready to challenge the global order and reclaim their power. It's time to stop begging and start taking — because justice cannot be served with a handout. It must be seized with the strength of unity across Africa and the diaspora. If you believe in radical change, if you're fed up with the illusions of progress inside a system designed to oppress, then this episode is your blueprint. Join the movement — the true reparations start with us claiming our future. Stop the Maagamizi https://stopthemaangamizi.com/ Check out this debate with Kehinde and his 'opponent' on Triggernometry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3QFZr6kiFE Caricom Reparations platform https://caricomreparations.org/ Critical Reparations Conference at BCU September 2026 https://www.linkedin.com/posts/robert-beckford-phd-a77651a9_this-call-for-papers-offers-an-urgently-needed-activity-7397253542782345217-l_Qg Support Make it Plain: https://make-it-plain.org/support-us/ Join Harambee OBU https://www.blackunity.org.uk/ Written and hosted by Kehinde Andrews Produced by Kadiri Andrews Artwork by Assata Andrews
S4 · E5
March 21 · 58 min
Eid shouldn't be political + Bernard Coard on how Black children are made educationally subnormal
Happy Eid to everyone who is celebrating. It shouldn't be a political statement but given Nigel Farage and Kemi Badenoch's racism it needs to be said. Kehinde opens by explaining that Black people need to avoid falling into the anti-Muslim trap, not least because being Black and Muslim is a feature of our communities. We then share a talk given by Bernard Coard about his work racism and education in the classic How the West Indian Child is Made Educationally Subnormal in the British School System. A must listen to how little things have changed in the last fifty years. Buy How the West Indian Child is Made Educationally Subnormal in the British School System https://www.newbeaconbooks.com/black-british-fiction/a4wyiz9c6te8qqmndaeqldp9nte7rd Support Make it Plain: https://make-it-plain.org/support-us/ Join Harambee OBU https://www.blackunity.org.uk/ Written and hosted by Kehinde Andrews Produced by Kadiri Andrews Artwork by Assata Andrews
S4 · E4
March 14 · 1 hr 17 min
We need to talk about Lammy; plus Kehinde's daughter joins to talk Oscars, AI and pop culture
Kehinde opens up with a rant about David Lammy's ending of jury trials for the majority of cases in England and Wales. Lammy chaired a review into the criminal injustice system in 2017 that highlighted judges as one of the most prejudiced aspects of the system…and now wants to put our fate in their hands. Judges deciding cases will mean more Black people in prison and Lammy knows this all too well. From once pretending to have the community on his side he has now fully turned his back. Then Kehinde is joined by his daughter, Assata for an intergenerational conversation and to find out what young people are talking about. They delve into the Oscars, debating the merits of films like "Sinners", and explore themes of race and representation in cinema. The discussion also touches on AI's impact, with Assata expressing concerns about its environmental cost and societal implications. They also delve into conspiracy theories surrounding figures like Epstein. The conversation also touches on how globalization affects culture, linking it to colonialism. Assata shares insights into contemporary slang, explaining terms like "ate," "cooked," and "chat," while reflecting on generational differences in language and culture. Support Make it Plain: https://make-it-plain.org/support-us/ Join Harambee OBU https://www.blackunity.org.uk/ Written and hosted by Kehinde Andrews Produced by Kadiri Andrews Artwork by Assata Andrews
S4 · E3
March 7 · 1 hr 11 min
White Supremacy will end the world...but not over Iran + Moses McKenzie Interview
The latest episode of Make it Plain opens with Kehinde reassuring his children that World War 3 won't start over Iran. All the bombings and the news has people scared (and yes it is terrible what the US and Israel are doing) but he explains why China and Russia won't be going to war over Iran. Then an interview with Moses McKenzie we discuss topics such as masculinity, feminism, and Black British literary identity. We explore how authors navigate the predominantly white publishing industry and audience expectations. The discussion includes Moses's writing approach, the influence of locations like Cornwall, Bristol, and London, as well as themes of class, migration, politics, Rastafari, Islam, and race. We also talk about Moses's creative process, his upcoming third novel, and his work in film and screenwriting, along with reflections on non-fiction and future projects. Buy a Moses McKenzie book: https://www.amazon.co.uk/stores/author/B094RKFXMD Support Make it Plain: https://make-it-plain.org/support-us/ Join Harambee OBU: https://www.blackunity.org.uk/ Find out about the Convention for Afrikan People: https://make-it-plain.org/convention-of-afrikan-people/ Artwork by Assata Andrews Written by Kehinde Andrews Produced by Kadiri Andrews
S4 · E2
February 28 · 1 hr 12 min
Bafta's N-word spectacle, Reform lose and Neo-colonial education with Wandia Njoya
Reflecting on the flooding of the timeline with Bafta's N-word coverage Kehinde opens by saying that we've missed the point. We focus on the spectacle and not the real issue. Of course the BBC shouldn't have aired the N-word and the Bafta's should have showed more care... but we expect too much from a racist system. Speaking of a racist system, Kehinde addresses the Green Party's win in the Gorton and Denton by election. Thankfully, Reform's less than mediocre White male candidate Matthew Goodwin lost out but the far right party remains a threat, particularly if they make a coalition with the next Prime Minister of the UK....Kemi Badenoch He is then joined by the Dr Wandia Njoya is a prominent Kenyan scholar, public intellectual, and social commentator known for her critical analysis of education, culture, and politics in Africa. She is an Associate Professor of Literature at Daystar University in Kenya, where she has also served as the Head of the Department of Language and Performing Arts. Wandia holds a PhD in French from Pennsylvania State University. Her scholarly work focuses on French and African literature, film, gender issues, and the interrogation of "what it means to be human" in the modern world. Dr Njoya is one of the most vocal critics of Kenya's Competency-Based Curriculum (CBC). She argues that the system prioritizes "practicality" and neoliberal productivity over genuine critical thinking and the arts. She frequently writes about decolonising the African mind and the academy, drawing inspiration from figures like Ngũgĩ wa Thiong'o, Thomas Sankara, and Malcolm X. Her blog, Wandia Njoya, has won multiple awards from the Bloggers Association of Kenya (BAKE) for its commentary on social issues. She is a regular contributor to The Elephant, where she publishes analyses on political elite culture, gender, and education Support Make it Plain: https://make-it-plain.org/support-us/ Join Harambee OBU https://www.blackunity.org.uk/ Find out about the Convention for Afrikan People: https://make-it-plain.org/convention-of-afrikan-people/ Written and hosted by Kehinde Andrews Produced by Kadiri Andrews Artwork by Assata Andrews
S4 · E1
February 21 · 1 hr 1 min
S4. Ep1. Listen to Malcolm + RIP Jesse Jackson + Don't be afraid of 'Big Bad' Farage
Make it Plain returns for a new series on the 61st anniversary of the assassination of Malcolm X. For this first episode we are featuring Malcolm's speech in 1962 in LA to rally protest the police killing of Nation of Islam member Ronald Stokes. We always say to listen to Malcolm, so we are running the speech in full (all proceeds to the Malcolm X and Betty Shabazz Education Center in Harlem, from this episode). Kehinde opens talking about the death of Jesse Jackson and reflecting on the age of the Southern Wolf, where the racism on both sides of the Atlantic is right in your face. For US Black History Month get your copy of Kehinde's book on Malcolm X Nobody Can Give You Freedom. Watch the documentary at: https://youtu.be/7ZBZyaruoGo?si=zzDwdNZtI1WrA3J2 Out now in the UK at https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/460078/nobody-can-give-you-freedom-by-andrews-kehinde/9780241681176. In the US at https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/kehinde-andrews/nobody-can-give-you-freedom/9781645030706/?lens=bold-type-books Support Make it Plain: https://make-it-plain.org/support-us/ Join Harambee OBU https://www.blackunity.org.uk/ Find out about the Convention for Afrikan People: https://make-it-plain.org/convention-of-afrikan-people/ Written and hosted by Kehinde Andrews Produced by Kadiri Andrews Artwork by Assata Andrews
S3 · E6
Jul 7, 2025 · 1 hr 18 min
What Would Malcolm Say About...Electoral Politics? + Full Interview Dr Jared A. Bal
Final episode in a special series of the Make it Plain podcast, 'What Would Malcolm Say?' where Kehinde Andrews explains what Malcolm's body of work tells us about what is going on in the present. Each episode will also feature a full interview with someone featured in the documentary 'Nobody Can Give You Freedom', which was independently made by Make it Plain. You can watch the entire documentary for free at • Nobody Can Give You Freedom: The Real Miss... Film was made by @MichaelEllisFilms To close out the mini-series Kehinde reflects on his experience at the asks, 'What Would Malcolm Say About… Electoral Politics'. With Zohran Mamdani's win in the Democratic primary for New York mayor, and Jeremy Corbyn and Zahra Sultana starting a new left political party there is a resurgence of hope in electoral politics. But Malcolm would warn us that the political system can no more provide our freedom, than a 'chicken can lay a duck egg'. We run the full interview with Dr Jared A. Ball @imixwhatilikejaredball from the Nobody Can Give You Freedom film and we have truly saved the best for last.Wide ranging discussion with the co-editor of A Lie of Reinvention Get A Lie of Reinvention https://www.blackclassicbooks.com/a-l... Check out Jared's YouTube Channel / @imixwhatilikejaredball Check out Black Liberation Media / @blackliberationmedia Get your copy of Kehinde's book Nobody Can Give You Freedom. Out now in the UK at https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/46007... Out in the US on 9th September https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/tit... Support Make it Plain: https://make-it-plain.org/support-us/ Join Harambee OBU https://www.blackunity.org.uk/ Find out about the Convention for Afrikan People: https://make-it-plain.org/convention-... Written and hosted by Kehinde Andrews Produced by Kadiri Andrews Artwork by Assata Andrews
S3 · E5
Jun 30, 2025 · 56 min
What Would Malcolm Say About...Reparations? Plus full interview with Dr Olivia Rutazibwa
Fifth episode in a special series of the Make it Plain podcast, 'What Would Malcolm Say?' where Kehinde Andrews explains what Malcolm's body of work tells us about what is going on in the present. Each episode will also feature a full interview with someone featured in the documentary 'Nobody Can Give You Freedom', which was independently made by Make it Plain. You can watch the entire documentary for free at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZBZyaruoGo&t=136s Film was made by @MichaelEllisFilms With Jamaica calling on King Charles to support reparations, Kehinde explains what Malcolm would say about the reparatory justice movement today. From the Caribbean Community to the American Descendants of Slavery, reparations are on the agenda, but lacking the radical roots from Malcolm's time. Malcolm famously explained that 'if you stick a knife in my back nine inches, and pull it out 6 inches that is not progress...you have to heal the wound'. Using that yardstick we must understand that the West can never repay the debt, that reparations are revolution. Plus we share the full interview with Dr Olivia Rutazibwa from the Nobody Can Give You Freedom film Find out more about Dr Rutazibwa at https://www.lse.ac.uk/sociology/people/academic-staff/olivia-umurerwa-rutazibwa Find out who sists on the judicial committee on the Privy Council https://jcpc.uk/ Get your copy of Kehinde's book Nobody Can Give You Freedom. Out now in the UK at https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/460078/nobody-can-give-you-freedom-by-andrews-kehinde/9780241681176 Out in the US on 9th September https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/kehinde-andrews/nobody-can-give-you-freedom/9781645030706/?lens=bold-type-books Support Make it Plain: https://make-it-plain.org/support-us/ Join Harambee OBU https://www.blackunity.org.uk/ Find out about the Convention for Afrikan People: https://make-it-plain.org/convention-of-afrikan-people/ Written and hosted by Kehinde Andrews Produced by Kadiri Andrews Artwork by Assata Andrews
S3 · E4
Jun 23, 2025 · 59 min
What Would Malcolm Say...about Diddy? Plus full interview with Sayce Holmes-Lewis from Mentivity
Fourth episode in a special series of the Make it Plain podcast, 'What Would Malcolm Say?' where Kehinde Andrews explains what Malcolm's body of work tells us about what is going on in the present. Each episode will also feature a full interview with someone featured in the documentary 'Nobody Can Give You Freedom', which was independently made by Make it Plain. You can watch the entire documentary for free at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZBZyaruoGo&t=136s Film was made by Michael Ellis Films This week Kehinde breaks down what Malcolm would say about Diddy, Tyler Perry, R-Kelley, Cosby and all the other accusations of sexual abuse facing some high profile Black celebrities. You best believe Malcom would be mad both at the lack of protection for Black women and how we have been building up the wrong people in the first place. We shouldn't ben adoring those in the House and then wandering why many are fallen idols. Plus we share the full interview with Sayce Holmes-Lewis from Mentivity from the Nobody Can Give You Freedom film Find out about Mentivity: here https://www.mentivity.com/ Get your copy of Kehinde's book Nobody Can Give You Freedom. Out now in the UK at https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/460078/nobody-can-give-you-freedom-by-andrews-kehinde/9780241681176 Out in the US on 9th September https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/kehinde-andrews/nobody-can-give-you-freedom/9781645030706/?lens=bold-type-books Support Make it Plain: https://make-it-plain.org/support-us/ Join Harambee OBU https://www.blackunity.org.uk/ Find out about the Convention for Afrikan People: https://make-it-plain.org/convention-of-afrikan-people/ Written and hosted by Kehinde Andrews Produced by Kadiri Andrews Artwork by Assata Andrews

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