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Leaders Unplugged is real talk with the impactful. Candid, honest, actionable – and fresh from behind the scenes. Presented by IMD in collaboration with Remote Daily. Hosted by IMD’s president, David Bach and Felix Zeltner.

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#22
August 20 · 23 min
IAE chief Fatih Birol on how to navigate the age of electricity
We are entering what Fatih Birol describes as “the age of electricity”: AI and data centers, electric vehicles and surging demand for air conditioning are reshaping energy consumption – and turning access to reliable power into a question of competitiveness and geopolitical influence. As Birol, who leads the International Energy Agency (IEA), puts it: “Whoever wins the AI race will get the upper hand in the geopolitics and global economy as well.” In our new episode of Leaders Unplugged, hosted by IMD President David Bach, Birol makes a powerful case that energy policy has moved far beyond climate. For Europe, electrification “is a sovereignty issue.” For governments and companies, diversification is becoming essential. And as geopolitical tensions expose vulnerabilities from Russia to the Strait of Hormuz, Birol argues that “the most scarce commodity in the energy world today is trust.” The result: leaders may increasingly pay a premium for secure, reliable, and politically trusted energy relationships. From Africa's energy poverty to Europe's solar giveaway to China – this conversation is built for executives who need to understand energy risk not as a utility bill, but as a strategic issue. Our guest Fatih Birol is Executive Director of the International Energy Agency (IEA), one of the world’s most influential institutions on energy security, markets, and the clean-energy transition. Since taking the helm in 2015, the Turkish economist has broadened the IEA from its traditional focus on oil security into a global authority spanning electricity, renewables, critical minerals, and the energy transition, while expanding its reach into major emerging economies. Birol joined the IEA as a junior analyst in 1995 and rose to Chief Economist, overseeing its flagship World Energy Outlook; before that, he spent six years at OPEC in Vienna. Today, his counsel is sought by governments and business leaders navigating the increasingly fraught intersection of energy, competitiveness, and geopolitics; a role that has earned him a place on TIME’s list of the world’s 100 most influential people in both 2021 and 2026.
#21
June 11 · 47 min
Florence Gaub on reading the future: War, weak signals, & wild scenarios
Leaders are drowning in crises, yet Florence Gaub argues their real competitive edge lies in how they imagine the future. In this episode of Leaders Unplugged with David Bach, the NATO Defense College research director, futurist and military strategist explains why “strategic foresight is the gym for the mind,” how weak signals from distant places, online communities and emerging technologies can reveal tomorrow’s shocks, and why reducing surprise buys organizations their most precious asset: time. Gaub dissects the Strait of Hormuz, Russia’s war on Ukraine, and China’s climate strategy to show how wishful thinking at the highest levels can cripple even the most sophisticated governments – and what executives must do differently. Gaub insists that “all companies above a certain size today will be affected by geopolitics” and that every leadership team should build an annual discipline of horizon scanning and scenario work. She argues that whoever “finds the right answers to climate change first” will define the next global power hierarchy, that science fiction is a good indicator for future conflicts, and shares answers to a deceptively simple question: “What future would you be willing to fight for?” Our guest Florence Gaub is a Franco-German political scientist, military strategist, and futurist. She is Director of the Research Division at the NATO Defense College in Rome. Before joining NATO in her current role in 2023 (she also worked at NATO from 2009-2013), she was Deputy Director of the European Union Institute for Security Studies in Paris and served as a foresight adviser within the EU system. Her books include The Future: A User’s Guide, and Szenario, a current nominee for for the German non-fiction award. She is also the co-host of the Munich Security Conference podcast The Art of Diplomacy. Resources mentioned in this episode Fears of a Setting Sun: The Disillusionment of America’s Founders https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691210230/fears-of-a-setting-sun New Scientisthttps://www.newscientist.com/ NATO Archives: https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/declassified.htm NATO-Russia Founding Act, 1997: https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_25468.htm 2018 US National Defense Strategy https://media.defense.gov/2020/May/18/2002302061/-1/-1/1/2018-NATIONAL-DEFENSE-STRATEGY-SUMMARY.PDF 2022 US National Security Strategy https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Biden-Harris-Administrations-National-Security-Strategy-10.2022.pdf The Weaponisation of Everything: A Field Guide to the New Way of War — Mark Galeotti https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300270419/the-weaponisation-of-everything/ Factfulness: Ten Reasons We’re Wrong About the World — Hans Rosling, Ola Rosling and Anna Rosling Rönnlund https://www.gapminder.org/factfulness-book/ NATO 2099 https://www.ndc.nato.int/nato-2099-the-science-fiction-anthology/ https://www.ndc.nato.int/nato-2099-a-graphic-novel/ Florence Gaub and Roderick Parkes: “Is Europe Too Soft to Fight?” https://warontherocks.com/is-europe-too-soft-to-fight/ Enjoyed this conversation? 🔔 Subscribe to Leaders Unplugged for candid conversations with the impactful: Apple | Spotify | YouTube Connect with IMD: Follow IMD on Instagram: @imdbusinessschool Follow IMD on LinkedIn: @imd-business-school Follow IMD on BlueSky: @imdbusinessschool.bsky.social Follow IMD on Facebook: @imdbschool Follow IMD on Substack: https://substack.com/@ibyimd
#20
June 4 · 45 min
Jake Sullivan on power, industrial strategy, and the new global order
What does it mean to lead in a world where the United States — the anchor of the post-war order — has become "the biggest disruptor in the world"? In this episode of Leaders Unplugged, IMD's David Bach sits down with Jake Sullivan, former National Security Advisor to President Biden, for a frank, wide-ranging conversation on the forces reshaping global business, geopolitics, and the social compact. From the collapse of allied trust to Iran's newly proven ability to close the Strait of Hormuz, this is the geopolitical briefing every senior executive needs. Sullivan argues that Trump "does not believe that allies are assets — he thinks they are liabilities," that the Iran war was "entirely a war of choice, an elective war," and that the era of assuming innovation dominance without industrial strength is over: "The United States has to concern itself with being able to build." On AI and the future of work, he warns that we need "fundamentally new answers" to the question of "where does the human fit in, in an age of exploding technology?" — and that no political leader has yet emerged to deliver them. Our guest: Jake Sullivan served as National Security Advisor to President Joe Biden from 2021 to 2025, helping shape U.S. responses to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, strategic competition with China, the wars in the Middle East, and the growing intersection of technology and geopolitics. A longtime adviser to both Biden and Hillary Clinton, Sullivan was also one of the architects of the Iran nuclear deal during the Obama administration and a leading voice behind the idea of a “foreign policy for the middle class.” Today, he is the inaugural Kissinger Professor of the Practice of Statecraft and World Order at Harvard Kennedy School, a faculty affiliate at Harvard’s Belfer Center, a Senior Fellow at the University of New Hampshire’s Carsey School of Public Policy, and co-host of the foreign policy podcast “The Long Game” alongside his former deputy Jon Finer. Harvard Kennedy School faculty profile: https://www.hks.harvard.edu/faculty/jake-sullivan X: @jakejsullivan Resources Jake Sullivan, “The Tech High Ground,” *Foreign Affairs: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/tech-high-ground-jake-sullivan Kurt M. Campbell and Rush Doshi, “Underestimating China”: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/china/underestimating-china The Long Game with Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer: https://podcasts.voxmedia.com/show/the-long-game Dan Wang, “Breakneck: China’s Quest to Engineer the Future”: https://danwang.co/breakneck/
#19
May 13 · 34 min
Kati ter Horst on being a first-time CEO when the old rules are gone
Kati ter Horst leads Outokumpu, the world's leader in sustainable stainless steel, at a moment when the old assumptions of globalization are breaking down. In this episode of Leaders Unplugged, she joins IMD President David Bach to discuss her transition from board member to first-time CEO, and how she is building a new strategy for her colleagues in nearly 30 countries, while navigating tariffs, AI, and geopolitical conflicts. Kati’s warning is direct: “the rules are gone.” Her call to action is equally clear: “Europe can compete.” And one of her key learnings from the first 18 months as CEO? “You have to protect your time.” Our guest: Kati ter Horst is President and CEO of Outokumpu, the Helsinki-based global leader in sustainable stainless steel. She has been in the role since October 2024, after nearly a decade on the company’s board. Before Outokumpu, she held senior leadership roles at Stora Enso and Aliaxis, gaining deep experience in manufacturing, sustainability, and large-scale transformation.
#18
April 23 · 43 min
Oona Hathaway, should we still believe in the global order?
Oona Hathaway on war, global rules, and why business leaders may regret staying silent as international law is violated. Why does international law matter? How illegal is the Iran war? And what does business have to do with it? In this episode of Leaders Unplugged, IMD President David Bach hosts Yale professor Oona Hathaway for a candid conversation about war, international law, and the growing strain on the post-war global order. Hathaway argues that international law is often most important when it is least visible: it works “in the background,” shaping what states know they can and can’t do. But when leaders start treating the rules as optional, even the unthinkable suddenly seems possible. As she puts it, “international law tends to be fairly invisible when it’s working well,” but now “the Trump administration is putting this all on the table.” She also warns that “business leaders have been really quiet,” even as the erosion of legal norms introduces new volatility into global markets. Her message to them is clear: “If they don't speak out and if the president actually does what he's threatening to do, we're going to be in a much more unstable world where business is going to be extraordinarily risky.” Our guest Oona Hathaway Gerard C. and Bernice Latrobe Smith Professor of International Law, Yale Law School Oona Hathaway is one of the world’s leading experts on international law and global governance. She is a professor at Yale Law School and Yale University, and president-elect of the American Society of International Law. She is co-author of The Internationalists: How a Radical Plan to Outlaw War Remade the World, and author of the upcoming book, Citizens. LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/oona-hathaway BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/oonahathaway.bsky.social Yale profile: https://law.yale.edu/oona-hathaway Personal website: oonahathaway.com Resources Over 100 International Law Experts Warn: U.S. Strikes on Iran Violate UN Charter and May Be War Crimes: https://www.justsecurity.org/135423/professors-letter-international-law-iran-war/ The Internationalists (Hathaway & Shapiro): https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/561345/the-internationalists-by-oona-a-hathaway-and-scott-j-shapiro/ UN Charter: https://www.un.org/en/about-us/un-charter Geneva Conventions: https://www.icrc.org/en/war-and-law
#17
April 9 · 40 min
Kirsty Coventry (IOC) on why leaders should train - and fail - like Olympians
In this episode of Leaders Unplugged, David Bach sits down with IOC President Kirsty Coventry to explore how she is navigating one of the most complex leadership roles in global sport today. From the IOC’s new transgender policy on women’s sports – “it's very clear on the medical and scientific proof that transgender athletes have an advantage” – to the success of Milano Cortina and the future relevance of the Olympic Games, Coventry offers a candid look at how she makes decisions under pressure. As the first woman and first African in her role, Coventry also describes a strategic shift she is pushing for inside the IOC: away from trying to be “everything to everyone… but a little bit unrealistic” and toward a sharper focus on the core of the Olympic Games. Her message for leaders everywhere is clear: “If everyone's happy then you're probably not doing the right thing.” Drawing on her experience as an Olympic champion, she makes the case that athletes may offer a blueprint for modern leadership: “We are consistently good at getting criticism – because it's the one way we get better.” Our guest Kirsty Coventry President, International Olympic Committee Kirsty Coventry is the President of the International Olympic Committee, the first woman and first African to hold the role. A Zimbabwean former swimmer, she is a multiple Olympic medalist, served as Zimbabwe’s Minister of Sport, and previously chaired the IOC Athletes’ Commission. LinkedIn: https://zw.linkedin.com/in/kirsty-coventry Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/officialkirstycoventry/ IOC profile: https://www.olympics.com/ioc/mrs-kirsty-coventry Athlete profile: https://www.olympics.com/en/athletes/kirsty-leigh-coventry
#16
February 24 · 28 min
Can NIO reinvent the automotive industry, Mark Zhou?
A decade ago, NIO was an idea. Today, the Chinese startup is one of the most innovative electric mobility brands in the world. On this episode of Leaders Unplugged, Mark Zhou, Executive VP and Chairman of NIO’s Product Committee, shares how they did it – and what’s next. Mark recalls that NIO’s founder William Li “only gave us like 36 months… to set up a company, grow the organization, deliver the vehicles, set up the power swap stations.” For him and other early hires who joined the company from legacy competitors, accustomed to carefully sequenced five-year plans, this wasn’t just ambitious — it was radical. But NIO’s real differentiation comes from its founder’s background in mobile apps, with an obsession for community and experience design. It led the team to build lounge-style “NIO Houses” instead of traditional car dealerships. Instead of charging stations, NIO developed three-minute battery swaps that Mark calls “very addictive. Once you get used to the battery swap, you don’t want to go back.” It also led to resilience. When NIO entered a crisis, ”our users really stood up and said, let’s save this company.” Western carmakers can learn a lot from NIO’s story – about founder-led conviction, busting stereotypes, and the uncomfortable truth of innovation: “People love to talk about the bright side of innovation”, Mark says. “They try to avoid the uncertainty.” Our guest: Mark Zhou Executive Vice President & Chairman of the Product Committee, NIO Mark has helped scale NIO from a Shanghai startup to a global EV challenger, overseeing product strategy, global R&D, and international expansion.
#15
January 23 · 25 min
WEF Unplugged: Geopolitics, Sustainability, and a Look behind the Scenes
Live from Davos: IMD’s Julia Binder and David Bach cut through the headlines on geopolitics, AI, energy – and competing visions for the international order. Recorded live on the final day of WEF 2026 in Davos, David Bach sits down with colleague and fellow IMD professor Julia Binder to unpack what shaped the week beyond the headlines – and why there is room for optimism. Bach reflects on two competing visions now emerging in global affairs: a world driven by raw power, and an alternative he describes as values-based realism or principled pragmatism, insisting on “a commitment to democracy, the rule of law, human rights, free speech, self-determination, and respect for sovereignty” while recognizing and navigating the distribution of power and influence. While discussions on sustainability and greater inclusion were less present on the main stage, Binder shares her assessment from behind the scenes: “It’s not that the sustainability conversation is dead. It’s happening under different terms. It’s reframed,” she explains. Many companies, she notes, are practicing quiet corporate activism: “We can’t speak out at the moment, but actually our actions do not just continue – we’re doubling down, we’re putting more money on the table.” Overall, a new logic dominates the transition: “those that will win the race for AI are the ones that manage energy better.” Our Guest: Julia Binder is the Director of IMD's Center for Sustainable and Inclusive Business, a Young Global Leader of the World Economic Forum, and the host of “Inside the Transition”. She works with organizations globally on transformation and helps leaders turn sustainability and societal challenges into strategic opportunity. LinkedIn - https://ch.linkedin.com/in/julia-k-binder
#14
January 8 · 30 min
Hapag Lloyd CEO: What does resilience look like when trade routes break?
In this episode of Leaders Unplugged, IMD President David Bach speaks with Rolf Habben Jansen, CEO of Hapag-Lloyd, about leading a global shipping giant through geopolitical tension, climate pressure, and permanent uncertainty, into the future of global trade. Our guest Rolf Habben Jansen – Chief Executive Officer, Hapag-Lloyd AG Rolf Habben Jansen has led Hapag-Lloyd since 2014, transforming it into one of the world’s top-five global container shipping companies. A veteran of the logistics and transport industry, he has championed decarbonization, digitalization, and quality as the company’s defining competitive edge.
#13
Nov 17, 2025 · 52 min
Walmex CEO Guilherme Loureiro: What happens when leaders admit they're dinosaurs?
Walmex CEO Guilherme “Gui” Loureiro on reinventing Walmart Mexico into a purpose-driven digital powerhouse – by overcoming his own ego. Recorded live at the IMD International Alumni Symposium in Lausanne, this Leaders Unplugged episode features Walmex CEO Guilherme “Gui” Loureiro in conversation with IMD's Alyson Meister. Loureiro recounts how he led Walmex (Walmart Mexico & Central America) from a “very, very successful brick-and-mortar company” into a purpose-driven digital ecosystem: “When we started to ask how we could contribute for this change instead of waiting for the country to change – then the transformation started.” He shares his own leadership reckoning — “I said to my wife, I’m a dinosaur. And my company is a dinosaur company.” — and the humility that followed: “My desire to transform the company was bigger than my ego.” The conversation draws from Loureiro’s new book, Reinventing the Leader: How to Change Yourself to Change Your Company – a masterclass in how leaders transform themselves to transform their organizations. And it comes with a proud announcement: Gui Loureiro is not only the newly appointed Chairman of the Board of Walmex, he is also joining IMD as Executive Resident Professor. Welcome Gui Loureiro!
#12
Oct 23, 2025 · 41 min
Gideon Rachman (FT): Can liberal democracy win the 21st century?
In this episode of Leaders Unplugged, IMD President David Bach sits down with Financial Times Chief Foreign Affairs Commentator Gideon Rachman for an unflinching look at the shifting balance of global power – and what it means for leaders today. As Rachman puts it, “It’s hard to get past Donald Trump as the sort of biggest current disruptive force in international politics… because essentially he represents the United States turning on the global system that it helped to create after the Second World War.” And yet, amid disruption and doubt, he remains cautiously hopeful: “Can liberal democracy survive? Yes – because in the end it’s an idea that’s almost impossible to kill.” This conversation is a guide to understanding how politics, power, and leadership are being redefined before our eyes – and what to do about it. Our guest Gideon Rachman is Chief Foreign Affairs Commentator at the Financial Times and one of the world’s most influential geopolitical commentators. As the Financial Times’ Chief Foreign Affairs Commentator and author of The Age of the Strongman, Easternization, and Zero-Sum World, he provides deep insight into how global politics and economics shape the world of business and leadership. Gideon also hosts the Rachman Review, a podcast that gives a chance to listen in on his reflective and often probing conversations with politicians, intellectuals and analysts around the globe.
#11
Oct 7, 2025 · 43 min
What if Europe’s biggest risk isn’t war – but running out of power?
In this episode of Leaders Unplugged, IMD President David Bach sits down with Henrik Andersen, CEO of Vestas, for a raw conversation on Europe’s energy transition and the courage leaders need to navigate it. Andersen delivers a stark warning on Europe’s complacency: “Europe is 50% dependent on import of energy day in and day out. The truth is we import more LNG gas from Russia than we did in 2022.” He explains how China is building up its alternative energy capacities faster than any other nation – and dismantles hype around unproven solutions, such as Hydrogen: “It is a little bit of a dream that is beyond a dream”. His purpose for being an outspoken leader is clear: “Our kids will say, ‘we will never forgive you because why did you keep talking about something that doesn’t happen?’” And he delivers a strong lesson to his peers: speak out, take blows, and act boldly in a volatile world. Our guest: Henrik Andersen – Group President & CEO, Vestas Henrik Andersen leads Vestas, the world’s largest wind turbine company. With decades of international executive experience, he is at the forefront of Europe’s energy transition, navigating geopolitics, policy, and technology on a global scale.
#10
Sep 10, 2025 · 42 min
From wake-up call to global coalition: How Maersk is pushing shipping toward net zero
How Maersk is rewriting the rules of shipping decarbonization – through collaboration, purpose, and placing big bets on the fuels of the future. What happens when one of the world’s largest shipping companies decides not to wait for regulation – but to lead by collaboration? In this episode of Leaders Unplugged, IMD President David Bach sits down with Morten Bo Christiansen, Senior Vice President and Head of Energy Transition at Maersk, and Bo Cerup-Simonsen, CEO of the Mærsk Mc-Kinney Møller Center for Zero Carbon Shipping, to unpack one of the most ambitious transformations in business: the race to net-zero-emission shipping. From ordering vessels with dual-fuel methanol engines to securing long-term bio- and e-methanol offtake agreements, both leaders share how they’re building a collaborative approach that includes the entire shipping ecosystem, tackling regulatory battles, and dealing with the fact that only about 2% of Maersk's customers currently pay the green premium. “The only way to avoid the complexity that we have today, would be to do nothing“, Morten Bo Christiansen says, “and that’s not really an option.”
#9
Aug 7, 2025 · 32 min
“It’s time for a complete reset” – Maria Vassalou on the future of investing
Global rules are being rewritten. Pictet’s Maria Vassalou joins David Bach to discuss BRICS, AI, aging societies – and why leaders must rethink everything they thought they knew. As global trade rules unravel, AI accelerates, and demographics shift dramatically, what should business leaders do? What do they need to rethink, and where should they invest? Listen to this thought-provoking episode of Leaders Unplugged with the Head of the Pictet Research Institute, Maria Vassalou, and learn how to challenge your assumptions – from China’s long game and the rise of BRICS, to what aging societies and AI mean for future growth. In conversation with IMD’s president David Bach, Maria Vassalou shares a powerful message: Globalization, free trade, and world peace – the principles most of us have built their decisions on – are all being challenged, she says. “And the idea that we can continue doing what we have been doing seems… not a very good idea.” Her advice: The winners of the next three decades will lead with “strategic investments in demographics, technology diffusion, and production efficiencies.” If you want to understand where the world is headed – listen to this episode.
#8
Jul 24, 2025 · 1 hr 4 min
Why Democracies Die – and What Business Leaders Must Do
Harvard’s Daniel Ziblatt explores how democracies fail and why business leaders must act now before it’s too late. “Democracy is a system of competition: not harmony, but contest... When that competition is fair, something extraordinary happens.” In this gripping keynote and fireside conversation with IMD President David Bach, Harvard professor and political scientist Daniel Ziblatt reframes democracy as a circuit breaker against power hoarding — and business leaders as essential players in defending it. Recorded live at IMD’s annual flagship event OWP, Ziblatt warns that “most democracies die at the hands of elected leaders... who use the very institutions of democracy to subvert it.” For Ziblatt, democracy is not idealistic fluff — it’s a vital check on catastrophic failure. “Without democracy, political leaders are much more likely to make major blunders.” Ziblatt, author of “How Democracies Die”, delivers a direct challenge to those in the room, and to everyone listening: “The future of democracy is in the hands of people like you – people in positions of leadership in society – to draw the red lines, to remind fellow citizens of this, and to stand up for democracy.”
#7
Jul 8, 2025 · 42 min
“We were so scared of our IPO”: Leaders Unplugged with former On-CEO Marc Maurer
Marc Maurer didn’t build ON by playing it safe. In this live conversation with IMD’s Alyson Meister, the outgoing Co-CEO explains why betting on purpose, rejecting hype, and ignoring the industry playbook paid off: 1. Culture over hype. “We’re actually the anti-metaverse.” ON doubled down on real-life movement instead of pixels, and built a brand with soul. 2. Purpose-driven growth. “Why do we need to grow 28%? Why not 20%? Who tells you it should be 28?” Maurer insists that growth must serve the purpose, not the markets. 3. Hire outsiders, build insiders. “For the first 10 years or so, it was forbidden to hire from a competitor.” ON’s originality? No legacy thinking, just bold innovation. With insights on sustainability, Gen Z expectations, and life after ON, this episode – recorded live at IMD’s flagship event Orchestrating Winning Performance (OWP) – is a masterclass in leadership.
#6
Jun 2, 2025 · 26 min
From the classroom to the boardroom – why do IMD alumni lead differently?
Three alumni. Three decades. One question: What makes IMD’s leadership journey so lasting? What do a former Olympic basketball player, a Japanese strategist in London, and a Swiss energy executive have in common? IMD. In this special MBA reunion episode of Leaders Unplugged, IMD President David Bach welcomes - John Hatch (MBA 1990) - Kazumi Nakayama (MBA 2015) - Aurore Amaudruz (MBA 2020) for an honest, funny, and reflective conversation on what IMD taught them - and how it shaped the leaders they’ve become. From pandemic pivots to circular economy lookouts, the three alumni explore how IMD’s emphasis on self-leadership, global perspective, and shared values continues to influence their careers. “I provide a secure base for the team I work with,” says Aurore. “That’s what IMD brought me.” Adds Kazumi: “My perspective matters. That was a discovery.” And John, now a sustainability board leader, reflects on the future leaders: "We're going to be faced with a generational change which is just going to hold us to account much differently than what we're currently being pressured." Tune in for an unusual intergenerational reunion that explores how to lead differently.
#5
May 19, 2025 · 38 min
How do deans lead when the world turns upside down?
Global deans on leading through turbulence — and why optimism, not certainty, is the real power in today’s business education. In today’s episode, IMD President David Bach discusses how the rapid global shifts of the moment impact leadership education, with two of his peers: – Catherine Duggan, Dean of the University of Cape Town Graduate School of Business – Darren Dahl, Dean at the Sauder School of Business at the University of British Columbia Duggan challenges prevailing assumptions about the Global South, calling African leadership “a masterclass in managing volatility.” Dahl reveals how political instability in the US has made Canada re-evaluate its economic dependence – and sparked a surprising boom in university applications. This episode is packed with unplugged moments, like when Duggan compares running a business in Africa to “playing video games on hard mode,” and Dahl admits: “We’re not teaching students how to fall down.” If you’re in leadership, higher education, or just trying to make sense of this moment in history – don’t miss this one. Leaders Unplugged features real talk with the impactful. Candid, honest, actionable, and fresh from behind the scenes. It is presented by IMD in collaboration with Remote Daily.
#4
May 1, 2025 · 35 min
David Bach: Why we all benefit from America’s top universities
In the latest episode, IMD President David Bach explains the vital importance of the partnership between the US government and the elite research universities, what we can learn from the vibrancy of the Middle East, and why Ted Lasso is a better leadership role model than Elon Musk. “The US built its global edge by attracting the world’s best. Now, it risks driving them away,” says Bach, who discusses the fallout from the clash between academia and the Trump administration. For decades, leading scientists or aspiring scientists from all over the world have gone to the US, says Bach who takes the guest chair with co-host Felix Zeltner, but now there is anecdotal evidence of a “reverse brain drain”. “It is ironic that a country that built an important part of its economic success, military strength, and soft power appeal on research universities, which drew people from all over the world, now seems to be doing everything it can to drive their successors back out of the country to Canada, Europe, and Asia.” The situation in the US is in stark contrast to the drive for investment in research and education seen in the Gulf region. Fresh from a visit to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the Emirates, Bach was impressed by the vibrancy, optimism, and can-do attitude on display. Another key area the Trump administration has turned a spotlight on is leadership by intimidation and insult. In reality, Elon Musk and his ilk have been successful despite their leadership style and not because of it, says Bach. Successful leaders are the ones who have “built long-term sustainable enterprises in which people feel a strong sense of belonging, where they're motivated, and where they're inspired.” “Leadership is about two things: direction and energy. If you’re not doing both, you’re not leading.” For a truly inspirational leader, concludes Bach, look no further than Ted Lasso, the fictional soccer coach on Netflix. Tune in now to explore the leadership challenges reshaping global talent, innovation, and trust.
#3
Apr 17, 2025 · 38 min
Episode 3: David Bach with Stuart DeCew and Geraldine Matchett
Welcome to the third episode of Leaders Unplugged, presented by IMD, and hosted by IMD's president David Bach, together with Remote Daily's founder Felix Zeltner. Leaders Unplugged is real talk with the impactful – candid, honest, and fresh from behind the scenes. Today, we take you behind the scenes of a recent gathering led by the World Business Council for Sustainable Development together with IMD, where David sat down with two sustainability experts and leaders: Geraldine Matchett, global board member at Nestlé, ABB, and SwissRe, and Chair of the steering committee of the influential Greenhouse Gas Protocol. Stuart DeCew, Executive Director of the Yale Center for Business and the Environment and Lecturer at the Yale School of the Environment. Together, they explore why transformation and sustainability are inseparable. “You don't make the climate case with compliance — you make it with innovation", says Stuart and claims that sustainability roles have to shift from reporting to investing, while Geraldine takes it a step further: “If you're truly going to lead transformation, you can't do it with an inside view of your company. You need to be much more outward-focused. Sustainability is an essential part of your license to operate.” They unpack the rise of “quiet activists", organizations that stay on course on sustainability while deliberately flying under the radar, making hard choices about what matters most. As Geraldine puts it: ”We officially say this matters a bit less”. And the conversation goes beyond challenges to highlight the immense opportunities in the sustainability space — from unlocking innovation to attracting and retaining top talent. Tune in for a fast-paced, thought-provoking journey into why sustainability isn’t a side topic any more — it’s the strategy. Enjoy listening to this new biweekly series and other IMD podcasts here: https://www.imd.org/ibyimd/podcasts/ Send feedback to: content@imd.org

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