
339 | The Hidden Reason Middle Management Is Burning People Out with Adam Tarnow
In this episode, Jenni talks with leadership development specialist and author Adam Tarnow about why middle management feels like an impossible role, and why it may actually be the most important one in an organization. They unpack the tension of carrying responsibility without full control, and Adam shares a practical framework for navigating the stress of leadership without burning out. In this episode, Adam explains why the middle is where execution happens, why so many managers feel stuck in a “valley,” and how leaders can regain a sense of agency by focusing on what they can control. He also offers a simple sentence-based tool from his book The Fog of Work that helps leaders move from overwhelm to action. Key Topics Jenni introduces the episode by framing culture as either a strategic asset or a liability, especially during growth, merger, or crisis. Adam shares why he wrote The Fog of Work and why middle managers became his focus after years of living in that role himself. They discuss how middle management used to be a respected position, and how pop culture turned it into a punchline. Adam explains why middle managers are often the “verbs in the sentence” of an organization - the people who make execution happen. The conversation highlights the pressure of being a player-coach: managing your own work while leading others. Jenni names the “they” problem - the tendency to blame vague forces instead of recognizing personal influence and agency. Adam describes middle management as a valley where problems roll downhill and collect, creating stress, ambiguity, and accountability without full control. He introduces the idea that the real question is not “How do I get out?” but “How do I get through?” Adam shares the fog clearing sentence: “I don’t control blank, but I do control blank, so I will blank.” They connect the middle of an organization to the middle of a story, where growth, character, and transformation happen. Jenni and Adam both emphasize that leaders can improve culture by focusing on what they can influence directly, especially within their own teams. The episode closes with encouragement for senior leaders to equip middle managers with practical tools, not just expectations. We need your help to get the LeadCulture podcasts in front of more leaders! There are three simple things you can do that truly help us: Review us on Apple podcasts Subscribe - we’re available wherever you listen to podcasts. Share - let your friends know about the podcast by sharing your favorite episode on social media!