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It Gets Late Early

Maureen Wiley Clough

Have you ever looked around at work and realized you might be one of the oldest people in the room—and you’re not even 40 yet?

It Gets Late Early is a show about what’s really happening to experienced workers as the rules of work change. We dig into layoffs dressed up as AI strategy, side hustles and portfolio careers, the quiet rise of workplace ageism, and the (sometimes harsh) reality of building a career in midlife and beyond.

We connect the dots between corporate decisions, economic forces, and the real lives of people navigating a changing world of work to help make sense of it all…because the career playbook we all followed was for a game no one can win anymore.

You’ll hear honest conversations, expert insights, and practical advice for people trying to figure out what comes next—all wrapped up in a healthy dose of dark humor. Because sometimes you have to laugh so you don’t cry.

Hosted by Maureen Wiley Clough—corporate dropout and ex-journalist who won’t quit telling the truth about work.

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#74
Yesterday · 52 min
The Hidden Job Market Crisis: Why Veterans and Mid-Career Professionals Are Being Overlooked
What if the unemployment numbers we've been relying on don't tell the whole story? And what if some of the most experienced, capable people in today's workforce are being overlooked just because employers don't know how to recognize their value? In this episode, I sit down with Dan Goldenberg, president of the Call of Duty Endowment, to discuss the realities of today's labor market and the challenges veterans face when transitioning into civilian careers. We explore why traditional employment statistics can be misleading, how military experience translates into valuable corporate leadership skills, and why professional networking, resume preparation, and interview coaching can dramatically improve career outcomes. We also discuss the growing uncertainty facing mid-career professionals, the rise of portfolio careers, and why flexibility may be one of the most important skills in the future of work. Your job title isn't your identity, and your career isn't over just because the path you expected no longer exists. Discover how you can pivot and showcase your experience to your advantage. In This Episode: - How official job numbers hide the real problem - Why veterans struggle in the job search - Myths employers believe about veterans - The business case for hiring veterans - Why veterans quit and how to keep them - Job search advice for all employees, especially mid-career - Bias in job application systems - How the Call of Duty Endowment works And much more! Resources: -Get Corporate-level Health Coverage for Solopreneurs with a 50% Discount for Your First Three Months - https://essentlcreator.com/maureen -Transition Assistance Program (TAP) - https://tapevents.mil/ Connect with Dan Goldenberg: -LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dangoldenberg92/ -Website: https://www.callofdutyendowment.org/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/callofdutyendowment Connect with Maureen Wiley Clough: -LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/ -Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/ -Instagram: @maureenwclough - https://www.instagram.com/maureenwclough -YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1 Affiliate Disclaimer: Hey there! Just a quick heads-up — some of the links we share in our show notes, YouTube videos, or episodes might be affiliate links. That means if you click on one and make a purchase, we might earn a small commission (at no extra cost to you). We only shout out products, tools, or services we’ve actually tried, love, or think you’ll find genuinely useful. Still, it’s always a good idea to do your own homework before buying anything. Using these links helps support the show and keeps It Gets Late Early rolling — so thanks a ton for being part of the community!
#73
August 26 · 51 min
I Created a Fake Perfect Job Candidate. Here's What Happened.
What happens when you create the “perfect” job candidate and send her into today’s job market? Apparently, not much. Emily Durham, better known as Emily the Recruiter, decided to build a completely fake LinkedIn profile and resume for a candidate who checked all the right boxes and then applied to 40 jobs to see whether being “perfect on paper” was actually enough to get noticed. The results were… well, let’s just say things are bad when you have to become a “mad scientist” to figure out what is happening in the job market. We talk about why the traditional idea that you can simply apply for enough jobs and eventually get one is increasingly out of touch. We also get into something that hits particularly close to home: what happens when you're mid-career, over 40, and suddenly realize that the job market you knew doesn't really exist anymore? Emily shares what recruiters actually look for and what candidates can realistically control as AI changes the hiring process. And then we get into the stuff that makes me want to scream into the void: workplace ageism, coded language like “fresh perspectives,” pregnancy discrimination, and the pressure to constantly prove that you're still relevant. But don’t worry, this episode isn’t all doom and gloom. We also talk about accidental entrepreneurship, portfolio careers, and why your job does not have to be the thing you love most about your life. In This Episode: - What Emily’s “perfect candidate” experiment revealed - Ghost jobs, job platforms, and the reality of applying in 2026 - How to build a resume recruiters actually notice - Why networking matters more than mass applying - Accidental entrepreneurship and the rise of portfolio careers - What AI is actually doing in the hiring process - Why AI proficiency is becoming a workplace requirement - The reality of ageism and bias at work - How to protect and advocate for yourself at work - Why your job doesn’t need to be your passion And much more! Resources: - Get Corporate-level Health Coverage for Solopreneurs with a 50% Discount for 1st Three Months - https://essentlcreator.com/maureen - Clock In by Emily Durham - https://emilydurham.org/clock-in -The hidden challenges younger women face at work - https://leanin.org/articles/findings/the-hidden-challenges-of-younger-women-at-work-face/ Connect with Emily Durham: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/edurham-hr/ Website: https://emilydurham.org/ Connect with Maureen Clough: LinkedIn: maureenwclough Website: itgetslateearly.com Instagram: @maureenwclough YouTube: @itgetslateearly Affiliate Disclaimer: Hey there! Just a quick heads-up — some of the links we share in our show notes, YouTube videos, or episodes might be affiliate links. That means if you click on one and make a purchase, we might earn a small commission (at no extra cost to you). We only shout out products, tools, or services we’ve actually tried, love, or think you’ll find genuinely useful. Still, it’s always a good idea to do your own homework before buying anything. Using these links helps support the show and keeps It Gets Late Early rolling — so thanks a ton for being part of the community
#72
June 9 · 14 min
We're Working Ourselves to Death (And Calling It Success)
A worker collapses on a warehouse floor. The conveyor belts keep moving. No one is allowed to help. The story sounds unbelievable until you realize it's not an isolated incident. I want to tell you a story that starts in an Amazon warehouse but quickly becomes something much bigger. I explore how extreme workplace pressure, productivity obsession, and fear-based leadership have become normalized across industries. From warehouse workers to software engineers and investment bankers, we're seeing the human cost of a culture that demands more and more from people. I also take a closer look at the rise of "grind culture," the return of 72-hour workweeks, and how Silicon Valley's newest work philosophies are reshaping expectations around success. We discuss why these trends disproportionately affect older workers, caregivers, and anyone with responsibilities outside the office. Finally, I examine the role AI may be playing in all of this. As workers race to prove their value in an uncertain future, we have to ask a difficult question: Are technological advances creating freedom or simply raising the bar for how much we're expected to sacrifice? If you've ever felt like work is consuming more of life than it should, this conversation is for you. In This Episode: - The Amazon warehouse incident that sparked a bigger conversation - Japan's "Karoshi" crisis (death from overwork) - Recent workplace deaths linked to extreme job pressure - The pregnancy discrimination case that resulted in a $22.5 million verdict - How fear-based leadership shapes workplace culture - The rise of the 996 work schedule and grind culture - Why companies increasingly favor younger, unattached workers - How AI anxiety is fueling a new productivity arms race - The broken promise of productivity gains and free time - The question we should all be asking about the future we're creating And much more! Resources: -Get Corporate-level Health Coverage for Solopreneurs with a 50% Discount for First Three Months - https://essentlcreator.com/maureen -‘Everyone is Replaceable’: Death Rattles Oregon Amazon Facility - https://www.thewesternedge.media/p/everyone-is-replaceable-death-rattles -Indian Software Engineer Found Dead On Microsoft's Silicon Valley Campus - https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/microsoft-software-engineer-35-dies-on-silicon-valley-campus-9179574 -Exclusive: Bank of America banker who died had sought to leave, citing long hours, recruiter says - https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/bank-america-banker-who-died-had-sought-leave-citing-long-hours-recruiter-says-2024-05-15/ -Ohio jury awards $22.5 million in TQL pregnancy case - https://www.freightwaves.com/news/ohio-jury-awards-22-5-million-in-tql-pregnancy-case -How San Francisco became the ultimate ‘996 City’ - https://sfstandard.com/2025/09/16/san-francisco-became-ultimate-996-city/ -Claims that overwork killed China tech worker reignites ‘996’ debate - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/09/claims-that-overwork-killed-china-tech-worker-reignites-996-debate Case Study: Karoshi: Death from overwork - https://www.ilo.org/publications/case-study-karoshi-death-overwork Connect with Maureen Wiley Clough: -LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/ -Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/ -Instagram: @maureenwclough - https://www.instagram.com/maureenwclough -YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1 Affiliate Disclaimer: Hey there! Just a quick heads-up — some of the links we share in our show notes, YouTube videos, or episodes might be affiliate links. That means if you click on one and make a purchase, we might earn a small commission (at no extra cost to you). We only shout out products, tools, or services we’ve actually tried, love, or think you’ll find genuinely useful. Still, it’s always a good idea to do your own homework before buying anything. Using these links helps support the show and keeps It Gets Late Early rolling — so thanks a ton for being part of the community!
#71
May 26 · 14 min
$600M in Damages. One Worker. A System That Created Both.
On April 7th, at 12:30 a.m. in a massive warehouse in Ontario, California, a worker lights pallets on fire. The result? $500–$600 million in damages and a reflection of a much bigger story, one that isn’t just about one individual, but about how our workplaces are failing employees. I walk through this shocking incident to uncover the systemic pressures that drive workplace rage. The truth is, this isn’t isolated. From Amazon to Disney contractors, poor pay, unsafe conditions, and layers of corporate shields create a workforce that’s physically present but mentally checked out. Studies show employee engagement is plummeting, confidence is collapsing, and the gap between leadership perception and reality is dangerously wide. The Kimberly-Clark fire is a symptom of a system that ignores the human cost of labor. We also explore history to understand the present. From the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire to today, patterns emerge: when workers have no voice, tensions escalate. Job loss isn’t just financial, it’s deeply psychological. And corporations need to act before the next flashpoint. In This Episode: - Ontario warehouse fire overview and costs - Economic and labor context driving worker anger - Gallup report: collapse in worker confidence - Disparity between CEO awareness and workforce sentiment - Historical parallel: Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire - Modern labor conditions and subcontractor complexities - Psychological impact of unemployment and layoffs - Lessons for workers and corporate leaders And much more! Resources: -Get Corporate-level Health Coverage for Solopreneurs with a 50% Discount for First Three Months - https://essentlcreator.com/maureen -Video of the warehouse worker setting fire - https://www.instagram.com/reels/DW5Lbj6DiRW/ -Video shows someone intentionally setting fires at Ontario warehouse - https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/ontario-warehouse-fire-video/3873376/ -Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire - https://www.history.com/articles/triangle-shirtwaist-fire -Luigi Mangione Charged with the Stalking and Murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson - https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/luigi-mangione-charged-stalking-and-murder-unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-and-use -‘Get back to work’: Amazon faces fresh scrutiny over workplace safety record - https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/apr/22/amazon-workplace-safety-record -Gallup's 2026 State of the Global Workplace Report: Global Employee Engagement Continues Decline - https://www.gallup.com/workplace/708071/global-employee-engagement-continues-decline.aspx -Boston Consulting Group (BCG) Report: CEO Insomnia Index: What (and Who) Is Keeping CEOs Up at Night - https://web-assets.bcg.com/2b/7c/2484f99045e58979f1d4dfd9571d/ceo-insomnia-index-apr-2026.pdf Connect with Maureen Wiley Clough: -LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/ -Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/ -Instagram: @maureenwclough - https://www.instagram.com/maureenwclough -YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1 Affiliate Disclaimer: Hey there! Just a quick heads-up — some of the links we share in our show notes, YouTube videos, or episodes might be affiliate links. That means if you click on one and make a purchase, we might earn a small commission (at no extra cost to you). We only shout out products, tools, or services we’ve actually tried, love, or think you’ll find genuinely useful. Still, it’s always a good idea to do your own homework before buying anything. Using these links helps support the show and keeps It Gets Late Early rolling — so thanks a ton for being part of the community!
#70
April 10 · 11 min
The US Tracks Your Money Anywhere on Earth. It Just Won't Say How Many Americans Left
The American career stability crisis is real, and it’s not a coincidence. We’re seeing a massive shift in how employers view workers, and it’s creating a talent drain that could fundamentally change the future of work. In this episode, I’m pulling back the curtain on a systemic issue that’s been building for years, and it’s more than just AI layoffs. Here’s what’s happening: The U.S. government tracks your financial activity anywhere on the planet, but they won’t release how many Americans are leaving. They know, but they don’t want you to know. Meanwhile, other countries like Germany, the Netherlands, and Canada are actively recruiting skilled American workers with tax breaks and fast-track visas. These countries are offering real alternatives, and people are listening–and leaving. I’ll show you how the U.S. job market has hit a breaking point, and why more and more experienced workers are seeking opportunities abroad. But it’s not just about burnout. American institutions are pushing workers out through AI layoffs, forcing full-time employees into contractor roles, and offering "return-to-office" mandates that even C-suite executives see as a strategy to make people quit. If you’re feeling like the system isn’t working for you anymore, you’re not alone. The career stability crisis didn’t start with AI, and it won’t end with the next earnings report. But we need to start seeing the system for what it is and push back against the terms. These are the Instagram posts I mentioned: -https://www.instagram.com/reel/DUZpCtKCatq/?igsh=MWtzYXpiM3F6YWt0Mg%3D%3D -https://www.instagram.com/reel/DURjLRrkhsB/?igsh=d3F2bmNtbHkwbmpy In This Episode: - Why Americans are looking for job opportunities abroad - Burnout hits a 6-year high: The state of worker wellbeing in the U.S. - Why the career stability crisis isn’t a coincidence - How Germany, the Netherlands, & Canada are actively recruiting American talent - How the U.S. government tracks your money, but not your movement - The institutional knowledge loss as a result of companies pushing out experienced workers And much more! Resources: -Get Corporate-level Health Coverage for Solopreneurs with a 50% Discount for 1st Three Months - https://essentlcreator.com/maureen Check the links below for information on opportunities to work abroad: -https://www.workinfinland.com/en/open-jobs/?category=ict -https://www.nyidanmark.dk/de-DE/You-want-to-apply/Work/Positive-List-Higher-Education -https://careers.state-of-denmark.com/?hsCtaAttrib=210799380565 Connect with Maureen Wiley Clough: -LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/ -Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/ -Instagram: @maureenwclough - https://www.instagram.com/maureenwclough -YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1 Affiliate Disclaimer: Hey there! Just a quick heads-up — some of the links we share in our show notes, YouTube videos, or episodes might be affiliate links. That means if you click on one and make a purchase, we might earn a small commission (at no extra cost to you). We only shout out products, tools, or services we’ve actually tried, love, or think you’ll find genuinely useful. Still, it’s always a good idea to do your own homework before buying anything. Using these links helps support the show and keeps It Gets Late Early rolling — so thanks a ton for being part of the community!
#69
March 24 · 11 min
The AI Cover-up: How Layoffs Hide the Rise of the Ghost Workforce
We’ve seen companies laying off employees under the guise of automation. But here’s the catch: They’re still hiring, just not you–not as an employee anyway. What do I mean by this? Today, I’m diving into something that’s been happening behind the headlines of AI-driven layoffs–the rise of the "ghost workforce." While everyone’s distracted by AI layoffs, corporations are shifting more jobs to contract positions, cutting costs, and stripping away benefits. This isn’t new. The same playbook was used decades ago in manufacturing, and now it’s coming for white-collar workers. What they’re really doing is getting rid of permanent employees and replacing them with contract workers who have no job security, no benefits, and no career path. This "ghost workforce" isn’t a glitch; it’s a feature of the system. And they’re counting on you being too distracted, too stressed, and too isolated to notice. This is the real shift, and it’s already happening. Listen in as I break down how we got here, why this system is rigged against us, and what we can do to fight back. Because if we stay silent, nothing will change. In This Episode: -Why AI layoffs are not what they seem -What happened to factory jobs is now happening in tech -The reason we don’t have the numbers on contract labor -Blue badge vs. Orange badge -The risks of becoming a contractor -How this system is reshaping our careers -What you can do to push back against the "ghost workforce" system And much more! Resources: -Get Corporate-level Health Coverage for Solopreneurs with a 50% Discount for 1st Three Months - https://essentlcreator.com/maureen -The Rise of the Contract Workforce in U.S. Manufacturing - https://www.nber.org/system/files/chapters/c15167/c15167.pdf -Contract Work Is Growing As The U.S. Workforce Grapples With Labor Constraints - https://gusto.com/resources/gusto-insights/us-contract-work-2022-survey -Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time Employees - https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/28/technology/google-temp-workers.html Connect with Maureen Clough: -LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/ -Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/ -Instagram: @maureenwclough - https://www.instagram.com/maureenwclough -YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1 Affiliate Disclaimer: Hey there! Just a quick heads-up — some of the links we share in our show notes, YouTube videos, or episodes might be affiliate links. That means if you click on one and make a purchase, we might earn a small commission (at no extra cost to you). We only shout out products, tools, or services we’ve actually tried, love, or think you’ll find genuinely useful. Still, it’s always a good idea to do your own homework before buying anything. Using these links helps support the show and keeps It Gets Late Early rolling — so thanks a ton for being part of the community!
#68
March 11 · 14 min
The AI Con: How Tech Giants Are Using Layoffs to Reset the Job Market
You may have seen companies like Pinterest and Amazon cutting thousands of jobs in the name of "AI transformation." But here's the catch: these layoffs are a calculated reset, not a technological revolution. It’s all about greed disguised as progress. In this episode, I dive into the AI-driven layoffs that are sweeping across the job market and how these "innovations" are actually part of a much bigger strategy. I break down how these tech giants are using AI as cover to slash salaries, eliminate experienced workers, and reset the market for a younger, cheaper workforce. We’re not talking about companies simply streamlining their operations. This is a systemic dismantling of worker leverage and a rollback of the progress workers made during the pandemic. You’ll hear about the cold, hard truth behind these so-called "AI efficiencies" and why, as much as companies push the narrative, the truth is that AI is far from delivering the results they claim. AI is not necessarily replacing jobs, but it’s being used to cut costs while executives rake in record pay. This episode addresses what’s really happening with AI layoffs, what it means for your future job security, and how we can collectively push back. In This Episode: -AI-driven efficiency and its consequences on workers -How AI narratives mask deeper corporate greed -Why this is a systemic issue and not just a tech problem -The new reality for those who were laid off -Steps to push back against AI-driven layoffs and reset salary expectations -A story to illustrate what's happening And much more! Resources: -Get Corporate-level Health Coverage for Solopreneurs with a 50% Discount for 1st Three Months - https://essentlcreator.com/maureen -MIT study shatters AI hype: 95% of generative AI projects are failing, sparking tech bubble jitters - https://www.forbes.com/sites/cindyrodriguezconstable/2026/02/27/most-ai-investments-are-failing-the--problem-isnt-the-technology/ -New Workday Research: Companies Are Leaving AI Gains on the Table - https://investor.workday.com/news-and-events/press-releases/news-details/2026/New-Workday-Research-Companies-Are-Leaving-AI-Gains-on-the-Table/ -Predictions 2026: The Workforce Muddles Through Ambient Disruption - https://www.forrester.com/blogs/future-of-work-predictions-2026-whats-coming-for-work-and-the-workforce/ Connect with Maureen Clough: -LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/ -Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/ -Instagram: @maureenwclough - https://www.instagram.com/maureenwclough -YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1 Affiliate Disclaimer: Hey there! Just a quick heads-up — some of the links we share in our show notes, YouTube videos, or episodes might be affiliate links. That means if you click on one and make a purchase, we might earn a small commission (at no extra cost to you). We only shout out products, tools, or services we’ve actually tried, love, or think you’ll find genuinely useful. Still, it’s always a good idea to do your own homework before buying anything. Using these links helps support the show and keeps It Gets Late Early rolling — so thanks a ton for being part of the community!
#67
Dec 16, 2025 · 52 min
How to Build Something New After 40 (Even When It Feels "Too Late")
"It's too late for me." I had this worry, but I finally hit publish on my first podcast episode at 40. I thought I'd missed the boat. Everyone else had already started, and I wondered if I was too old to become a creator in an industry that thinks you expire at 35. I was terrified to try something new in public. But here's what I've learned: that "too late" feeling? It's just plain old straight-up fear wearing a really convincing disguise. I feel so strongly about debunking this myth that today, in this special episode, I get the chance to flip the mic and be interviewed by Rhona Barnett-Pierce on her podcast, Workfluencer. We're getting into all the messy, uncomfortable stuff about starting something new when you feel like you've missed your window. We talk about: → The year I spent overthinking instead of doing (and why that was such a waste) → How to actually start when you don't feel ready (because you never will) → Why your age might actually be the thing that makes you better at this → What to do when people think you're cringe (spoiler: you gotta lean in) → Where to find support when your friends and family don't get it → The real timeline from "I'm terrified" to "okay, I'm doing this" This conversation is for you if: → You've been thinking about starting something but keep finding reasons to wait → You're staring down a layoff or career pivot and don't know what's next → You want to build something of your own but feel like you've missed your chance → You're tired of the voice in your head saying "not ready yet" → You need someone to tell you it's okay to be scared and do it anyway Look, I'm not going to tell you it's easy. Starting something new at 40—especially something visible like starting a new business or jumping into content creation—is uncomfortable as hell. But the alternative is spending the rest of your life wondering "what if?" And I really, really don’t want that for you. At the end of the day, “everyone's cringe until they make it. Then people pretend they supported you all along." (Thanks to my 28-year-old social media consultant for that gem.) I hope this conversation gives you permission to just start. Scared, unprepared, "too old," whatever. Just start. Let’s make 2026 the year you go for it, whatever your “it” might be. The world needs you! Speaking of 2026, we’ll be taking a holiday break til then. Happy Holidays to you and yours! Resources: -Get Corporate-level Health Coverage for Solopreneurs with a 50% Discount for 1st Three Months - https://essentlcreator.com/maureen Connect with Rhona Barnett-Pierce: -LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rhonabarnettpierce/ -Website: https://www.workfluencerpodcast.com/ Connect with Maureen Clough: -LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/ -Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/ -Instagram: @maureenwclough - https://www.instagram.com/maureenwclough -YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1 Affiliate Disclaimer: Hey there! Just a quick heads-up — some of the links we share in our show notes, YouTube videos, or episodes might be affiliate links. That means if you click on one and make a purchase, we might earn a small commission (at no extra cost to you). We only shout out products, tools, or services we’ve actually tried, love, or think you’ll find genuinely useful. Still, it’s always a good idea to do your own homework before buying anything. Using these links helps support the show and keeps It Gets Late Early rolling — so thanks a ton for being part of the community!
#66
Nov 26, 2025 · 54 min
Tech Layoffs, Ageism & AI: Is a Tech Career Still Worth It?
Tech isn’t just in a downturn. It’s in the midst of a full-blown identity crisis. As layoffs, ageism, and AI reshape the workforce overnight, Brian Pulliam joins me to break down what’s actually happening behind the scenes… and what mid-career professionals must do to stay competitive. Brian, a former tech leader who spent 23 years at companies like Microsoft, Zillow, and Coinbase, joins me to talk about a controversial topic. With tech experiencing year-after-year meltdowns, Brian offers a brutally honest look at whether anyone should still pursue a tech career in 2025–2026. He breaks down why the job market feels broken, why entry-level roles are disappearing, and how AI is replacing the very apprentice-level opportunities that used to grow workers into senior talent. He also explains why employers are pulling back on long-term investment, what the real supply-and-demand curve looks like, and why ageism is hitting harder and earlier than ever. We discuss strategies for standing out in an oversaturated market, how to approach salary discussions, and the mindset shifts every experienced employee needs to remain competitive in a chaotic and unpredictable hiring landscape. If you're feeling overwhelmed by tech layoffs, frustrated by age bias, or unsure how to pivot in today’s wild job market, this episode gives you clarity, direction, and a whole lot of real talk. Do you want Brian to help you navigate the tech job market or level up your career? Mention you heard him on It Gets Late Early and get 20% off any coaching package when you book through his site or connect via LinkedIn. In This Episode: -Should anyone go into tech in 2025–2026? -Brian's early work experience and tech background -Standing out in a saturated market -How oversupply affects both young and older workers -Navigating the salary question -Should you apply to a big company or a small one? -How Brian coaches people over 40 And much more! Resources: -Get Business Protection and Health Coverage at Solopreneur-friendly Prices - https://essentlcreator.com/maureen -Free Guide to LinkedIn Job Hunting for the 40+ Crew -https://www.itgetslateearly.com/job-guide Connect with Brian Pulliam: -LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/briankpulliam/ -Website: https://refactorcoaching.com/ Connect with Maureen Clough: -LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/ -Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/ -Instagram: @maureenwclough - https://www.instagram.com/maureenwclough -YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1 Affiliate Disclaimer: Hey there! Just a quick heads-up — some of the links we share in our show notes, YouTube videos, or episodes might be affiliate links. That means if you click on one and make a purchase, we might earn a small commission (at no extra cost to you). We only shout out products, tools, or services we’ve actually tried, love, or think you’ll find genuinely useful. Still, it’s always a good idea to do your own homework before buying anything. Using these links helps support the show and keeps It Gets Late Early rolling — so thanks a ton for being part of the community!
#65
Nov 13, 2025 · 1 hr 14 min
I Paid $48K for Health Insurance and Still Owed $10K—So I Built a Solution
With mass layoffs hitting tech, media, and corporate America, more professionals over 40 are being forced into freelance work, consulting, and solopreneur life—whether they planned for it or not. And here's a big problem with that: the moment you leave corporate, you lose access to affordable health insurance. Suddenly, you're staring down $4,000/month premiums, sky-high deductibles, and hospital bills that make you wonder what you're even paying for. In today's episode, I sit down with Crystal Jackson—also known as The Real Mrs. Poindexter—a former Intel engineer turned viral content creator with millions of followers. After 13 years in corporate, Crystal left to raise her kids, went back to work for the benefits, left again, and eventually found herself paying $48,000 a year for health insurance that barely covered anything. When she got sick and ended up with another $10,000 in medical bills, she'd had enough. So she did what any fed-up engineer would do: she co-founded EssentL Creator with her husband Chris to solve the problem no one else would touch—affordable, corporate-level health insurance for freelancers, gig workers, and solopreneurs. In this episode, we talk about: Why Crystal was paying $48K/year for health insurance and still owed $10K in hospital bills How the "future of work" is creating a wave of involuntary entrepreneurs (and what that means for you) What a PEO (Professional Employer Organization) actually is—and how it gives solopreneurs access to corporate-level benefits Why leaving corporate might be the scariest—and best—thing that ever happens to you How to protect yourself legally and financially when you go out on your own (LLCs, IP protection, contract red-lining) The mental health crisis among content creators—and why EssentL offers enhanced mental health and addiction coverage If you've been laid off, are thinking about going solo, or are tired of paying insane premiums for garbage coverage, this episode is for you. Find a gift of 50% off the admin fee for It Gets Late Early listeners at https://essentlcreator.com/maureen. Resources: -Get Business Protection and Health Coverage at Solopreneur-friendly Prices - https://essentlcreator.com/maureen -Free Guide to LinkedIn Job Hunting for the 40+ Crew - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/job-guide Connect with Crystal Jackson: -LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/crystal-jackson-mba-8893b72bb/ -Website: https://essentlcreator.com/ Connect with Maureen Clough: -LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/ -Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/ -Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/ -YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1 -Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/ Affiliate Disclaimer: Hey there! Just a quick heads-up — some of the links we share in our show notes, YouTube videos, or episodes might be affiliate links. That means if you click on one and make a purchase, we might earn a small commission (at no extra cost to you). We only shout out products, tools, or services we’ve actually tried, love, or think you’ll find genuinely useful. Still, it’s always a good idea to do your own homework before buying anything. Using these links helps support the show and keeps It Gets Late Early rolling — so thanks a ton for being part of the community!
#64
Oct 28, 2025 · 54 min
AI Is Teaching Us to Hate Our Own Faces - Former Google Employee Turned Artist Exposes the Truth
Ever wondered why AI thinks you need to look younger? In this episode, Gretchen Andrew, a former Google employee turned artist, exposes the disturbing truth about how beauty filters are literally reshaping our faces—and our self-worth. We kick things off with Gretchen's bold pivot from Silicon Valley to the art world, where she's using robots, oil paint, and yes, glitter to reveal what beauty filters actually do to us. Her groundbreaking "FaceTune Portraits" physically apply AI beauty standards to paintings, creating violent scars and marks that show the hidden damage these "harmless" filters inflict on our identities. Gretchen breaks down the dirty secret of AI training data—how algorithms learn beauty from the most biased corners of the internet and create a feedback loop that makes everyone chase the same impossible standard. Even Miss Universe contestants aren't "good enough" for AI filters, and men in their 50s are rescheduling meetings just to use Zoom's "touch up my appearance" feature! From Hollywood actresses getting the same face-altering procedures to look good on small screens, to the shocking reality that social media may have incentivized us to provide facial recognition data for free, this conversation will change how you see every filter, every app, and every "enhanced" photo you encounter. Whether you're tired of the algorithmic beauty trap or just want to understand why everyone's starting to look the same, this episode is essential listening. Gretchen's insights will make you question everything about digital beauty—and maybe even inspire you to embrace what makes you uniquely human. “The question is: Do you want to look old and like yourself, or do you want to look like everybody else and look younger?” ~ Gretchen Andrew In This Episode: -Leaving Silicon Valley for art -AI vs. beauty standards -The homogenization of beauty -Gretchen's partnership with Andreessen Horowitz -The real story behind AI beauty filters -Ageism in the art and tech world -How Gretchen uses social media for her work And much more! Resources: -Free Guide to LinkedIn Job Hunting for the 40+ Crew - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/job-guide Connect with Gretchen Andrew: -Website: https://www.gretchenandrew.com/ -LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gretchen-andrew/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gretchenandrew/ Connect with Maureen Clough: -LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/ -Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/ -Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/ -YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1 -Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/
#63
Oct 14, 2025 · 14 min
The Hoodie Myth Is Dead: Why the Best Tech Founders Are Over 40
What if everything you thought you knew about startup success was wrong? In today’s episode of It Gets Late Early, I’m breaking down the myth that young, hoodie-wearing entrepreneurs are the key to successful startups. Spoiler: the data proves otherwise. According to MIT research, the average age of a high-growth startup founder is 42 — not 21. The top 1% of founders are even older, typically around 45 years old. Yet, venture capitalists continue to invest in young, inexperienced founders, ignoring the seasoned leaders with decades of experience. I also tackle the growing age discrimination in tech, where older workers are pushed out despite having the experience and connections that drive success. Companies that embrace diverse ages and experiences in their teams are the ones that succeed. Let’s flip the script on startup success. It's time to stop assuming that youth equals innovation. It’s never too late to go after your dreams, and age is an asset, not a liability. “So just why is it that older workers tend to be more successful? Two words: life experience.” ~ Maureen Wiley Clough In This Episode: -Research from MIT: the truth about successful startup founders -The age bias in venture capital and tech hiring -Why older founders have an advantage over younger ones -The challenge to venture capitalists: stop funding failure -Encouraging older tech workers: your experience matters And much more! Resources: -Free Guide to LinkedIn Job Hunting for the 40+ Crew - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/job-guide -EEOC Special Report - https://www.eeoc.gov/special-report/high-tech-low-inclusion-diversity-high-tech-workforce-and-sector-2014-2022 -MIT Research on Age and High-Growth Entrepreneurship - https://mitsloan.mit.edu/shared/ods/documents?PublicationDocumentID=6212#:~:text=Our%20primary%20finding%20is%20that,growth%20new%20ventures%20is%2045.0. -Ageism in Tech Hiring - https://www.linkedin.com/posts/maureenwclough_tech-ageism-hiring-activity-7369769952683171841-u7zS?utm_source=social_share_send&utm_medium=member_desktop_web&rcm=ACoAAACPAV4BMEaPyyLI0T1Hayp_eLtXH5AO5-4 -iPhone unveiling with Steve Jobs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7qPAY9JqE4 -Workplace Age Discrimination Cases Grow Nationwide - https://gbsbenefitsgroup.com/workplace-age-discrimination-cases-grow-nationwide/#:~:text=The%20Equal%20Employment%20Opportunity%20Commission%20(EEOC)%20has,Act%20(ADEA)%20as%20in%20fiscal%20year%202022 -Late-Career Job Losses Are Blurring What Retirement Looks Like in America - https://www.wsj.com/personal-finance/retirement/early-retirement-layoff-america-77c94667 Connect with Maureen Clough: -LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/ -Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/ -Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/ -YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1 -Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/
#62
Sep 30, 2025 · 42 min
The $259B Problem Hiding in Your Meetings — and How to Solve It
Meetings. Ugh. We’ve all been there, right? And the price tag is bigger than most people realize. We estimate that the cost to organizations of these unproductive meetings is approximately $259 billion in the United States and $64 billion in the United Kingdom for professional staff alone (LSE report). That’s a jaw-dropping drain on productivity—yet it’s largely preventable. In today’s episode of It Gets Late Early, I’m joined by Dr. Daniel Jolles, a behavioral scientist and psychologist at the London School of Economics, who’s back for his second appearance. Dr. Jolles and I go deep into the world of generational diversity in meetings, exploring how getting it right can significantly boost productivity and reduce wasted hours. We’re also tackling the elephant in the room: AI in the workplace. With organizations now mandating the use of AI, how can we, across all generations, navigate this technology without falling victim to bias or further exclusion? We cover the shocking stats about how unproductive meetings cost businesses billions each year and how companies can make sure that no one, especially older workers, gets left behind in the AI race. Trust me, this episode is a wake-up call. If you’re looking to fix your meetings, ensure inclusivity, and stay ahead in the AI-driven future, you don’t want to miss it. “We find that there's a huge lack of generational diversity happening in our meetings. Our research suggests that that's hurting productivity because there are diversity benefits to be gained by having voices from the younger and older employees present in meetings, especially when it comes to big-decision meetings.” ~ Dr. Daniel Jolles In This Episode: -Why employees are not that fond of meetings -The impact of generational diversity on meetings -The cost of unproductive meetings -AI’s potential to revolutionize the workplace -The impact of the proliferation of AI recording tools And much more! Resources: -Free Guide to LinkedIn Job Hunting for the 40+ Crew - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/job-guide -LSE Report: When Generations Meet by Dr. Daniel Jolles and Dr. Grace Lordan - https://www.lse.ac.uk/tii/assets/documents/When-Generations-Meet.pdf Connect with Dr. Daniel Jolles: -LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danieljolles/ -Website: https://www.danieljolles.com/ Connect with Maureen Clough: -LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/ -Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/ -Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/ -YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1 -Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/
#61
Sep 16, 2025 · 40 min
20% Fake Jobs. 31% Never Hear Back. What Are Companies Doing?
Ever applied, interviewed, and…silence? You’re not alone. In this episode, we crack open the hiring black box: the rise of ghost jobs (roles that never close or never existed in the first place), the avalanche of AI-boosted applications, and why 31% of rejected candidates never even get an email. My guest Ariana Moon, VP of Talent Planning & Acquisition at Greenhouse, a software platform managing the hiring process, explains how their Greenhouse Verified badges reward employers who actually walk the talk—communication, fairness, respect, and preparation—so candidates can spot companies that treat people like people. We also get real about what great hiring actually looks like: structured scorecards, clear rubrics, and leaders who blend experience with fresh perspectives. Ariana shares lessons from a very millennial workforce moment (when ~10% of the company went on parental leave at once!) and how Greenhouse supports parents with thoughtful leave, re-entry, and caregiver communities—without letting careers evaporate. Whether you’re job hunting or leading a team, this episode is a playbook for a fair, respectful, and effective process—because employer brand is a long game, and candidates remember how you made them feel. Update: Since this recording, Ariana has given birth to a healthy baby boy! Both mom and baby are doing great. “Greenhouse Verified is a way that we can signal to the talent market that we are a company that prioritizes things like good communication, being prepared in how we run our interview processes, being fair in how we think about our interview processes, and being respectful when we're interacting with candidates. ” ~ Ariana S. Moon In This Episode: -What are ghost jobs? -Greenhouse Verified initiative -Improving internal processes in the workplace -Experiences with ageism in the workplace -ERGs and supporting parents in the workplace And much more! Resources: -Free Guide to LinkedIn Job Hunting for the 40+ Crew - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/job-guide Connect with Ariana S. Moon: -LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ariana-s-moon/ -Website: https://www.greenhouse.com/ Connect with Maureen Clough: -LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/ -Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/ -Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/ -YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1 -Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/
#60
Sep 2, 2025 · 48 min
70% of the Money. Zero Attention — or Employees. What Are Brands Thinking?
Marketers love chasing Gen Z. But here’s the trillions-of-dollars blind spot: Gen X and Boomers control nearly 70% of U.S. disposable income and outspend younger generations in nearly every major category — alcohol, beauty, travel, finance, and more. So why are brands still ignoring them? In this episode, I sit down with Brent Rivard, founder and CEO of Geezer Creative, an agency built on a radical idea: the “forgotten generation” isn’t just relevant — they’re the growth engine brands are missing. We unpack how the ad industry’s obsession with youth culture has aged itself out of opportunity, what’s at stake for marketers, and how Gen X and Boomers are reshaping the creative economy. You’ll also hear shocking stats about how the industry treats its veterans, the challenges older professionals face in a rapidly evolving gig economy, and why AI is becoming a make-or-break skill for creative professionals of every generation. Because if brands keep underestimating us, that’s on them. But if we underestimate ourselves? That’s on us. The creative economy is shifting fast — from AI to the rise of the gig economy — and this conversation will give you a fresh (and dare I say slightly rebellious?) perspective on where your experience fits next. “The last thing the world needed was another ad agency, so we opened one. But we didn't just open one–we opened one that has a point of view.” ~ Brent Rivard In This Episode: -Ageism in the advertising industry -Why Gen X consumers are crucial for marketing success -Geezer Creative’s approach to Gen X-centered marketing -The advantage of intergenerational marketing teams -Adapting to the gig economy in the creative space -Shifting client priorities and how agencies can adapt -AI and its impact on the creative industry -Encouraging older professionals to embrace new opportunities -Creative solutions for dealing with layoffs and market shifts And much more! Resources: -Free Guide to LinkedIn Job Hunting for the 40+ Crew - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/job-guide -The Gen X Career Meltdown - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/03/28/style/gen-x-creative-work.html Connect with Brent Rivard and Geezer Creative: -Brent Rivard LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-rivard-7ba8b37/ -Geezer Creative LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/geezer-creative/ -Website: https://www.geezercreative.com/ Connect with Maureen Clough: -LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/ -Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/ -Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/ -YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1 -Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/
#59
Aug 19, 2025 · 50 min
The 10% Rule: Why a Little More Vulnerability Can Change Everything With Will Greenblatt
Why is it terrifying to present to just four people? According to Will Greenblatt, it's because our brains still think the tribe might "club us over the head" if they don't like what we say. Will's journey from Canadian child actor (yes, a self-proclaimed "nepo baby") to sought-after corporate speaking coach is anything but typical. After working with Anne Bancroft as a kid and nearly getting swept up in the Hollywood machine, a family tragedy and toxic theater school experience led him to completely reinvent himself. But here's what makes this episode essential listening: Will discovered that the same skills that make great actors also create breakthrough leaders. The difference? It's not about performing—it's about finding emotional truth and connecting authentically with your audience. The game-changing insight: When Will's clients embrace just 10% more vulnerability in meetings, they see measurable career improvements—better performance reviews, more influence, and stronger professional relationships. Because while everyone else is playing it safe, that small dose of authenticity makes you unforgettable. We dive deep into why mentorship is broken in today's workplace, how to spot genuine people in interviews, and Will's three-act framework for storytelling that builds instant trust. Plus, he shares the uncomfortable truth about why taking career risks, like leaving acting or corporate, might be the safest move you can make. “You give somebody the opportunity to destroy you, and you hope that they won't, and they might. But you can't love without that risk. And it's the same kind of thing when you tell your boss what you really think.” ~ Will Greenblatt In This Episode: -The real difference between performing and authentic communication -Why our fear of public speaking is literally prehistoric -The 10% vulnerability rule that transforms careers -How to build trust through authentic storytelling -Will's childhood-to-adult-choice framework for connection -Why the "speaker-writer-coach-creator" career is the future -How to network without being transactional And much more! Resources: -Free Guide to LinkedIn Job Hunting for the 40+ Crew - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/job-guide -Supercharge Your Speaking Skills by Will Greenblatt - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2esQpzqZUUYD8Nxp9lKe05K1aYMpsNwU Connect with Will Greenblatt: -LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/willgreenblatt/ -Website: https://www.skool.com/speakingheroes/about Connect with Maureen Clough: -LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/ -Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/ -Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/ -YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1 -Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/
#58
Aug 5, 2025 · 39 min
Fired and Diagnosed With Cancer: How Daniel Incandela Rebuilt His Life
Losing a job is never easy, but what if it led to a more fulfilling path? Daniel Incandela, former CMO, opens up about the painful yet transformative experience of being fired in his 50s. In this episode, he shares the emotional toll it took, how he navigated the challenges, and the powerful lessons he learned along the way. Today, I sit down with my good friend, Daniel Incandela, who, like many of us, faced the harsh reality of burnout and being let go. His story is one of resilience and transformation. Despite the painful blow of being fired, Daniel reflects on how the experience helped him realign his priorities, focusing on family, health, and ultimately finding his path forward through consulting and creative work. We discuss the importance of reflection and accountability, even in the most challenging moments. Daniel’s journey sheds light on how career paths don’t always go as planned, and how the pressure to “do it all” can weigh heavily on us. From navigating ageism in a competitive job market to embracing AI as a necessary tool for today’s workforce, Daniel discusses how he’s finding purpose in his new role and working towards a future that aligns more with his values. If you’ve ever felt like your career took an unexpected turn, this episode is for you. Daniel’s story is a powerful reminder that we can find clarity even in moments of doubt. “I've been on this journey that I think I really needed in life, and it has helped me awaken from things I did not see.” ~ Daniel Incandela In This Episode: -Daniel’s transition from CMO to consultant -Embracing change and realizing what really matters -Leadership in the time of AI -The reality of getting fired in your 50s -Experiencing the immense benefits of slowing down -Looking ahead: the future of work in a gig economy -Why learning how to use AI is no longer optional And much more! Resources: -Free Guide to LinkedIn Job Hunting for the 40+ Crew - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/job-guide -The Gen X Career Meltdown - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/03/28/style/gen-x-creative-work.html Connect with Daniel Incandela: -LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielincandela/ -Substack:https://substack.com/@danielincandela -Newsletter by Daniel Incandela - https://danielincandela.substack.com/ Connect with Maureen Clough: -LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/ -Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/ -Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/ -YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1 -Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/
#57
Jul 22, 2025 · 39 min
What No One Tells You About Personal Branding at Work With Danielle Hughes
Let’s face it, whether you're looking for a new job, trying to stand out in your current role, or considering a career pivot, building a personality brand is a real game-changer (you read that right. A personality brand, not a personal one). In today’s landscape, you need more than just experience; you need a personality that resonates. In this episode, Danielle Hughes, Chief Personality Officer at More Than Words Marketing, joins me to chat about why creating a personality brand isn’t just about ‘selling’ yourself. Danielle shares tips on how to confidently showcase your authentic self in your professional persona, particularly on platforms like LinkedIn. She emphasizes the importance of not just telling your story but showing it through real examples and personal achievements. Whether you're pivoting careers or leveling up in your current role, branding is more important than ever. Tune in to hear how you can use your personality to stand out in the competitive job market and connect authentically with others. And just in case you're interested in working from beautiful homes all over the world, Danielle shares how she makes it happen. “Why is it a personality brand and not personal? Personal means private, so I never understand why we tell people to have a personal brand. Personality is who we are, and that's how we foster connection...with other people.” ~ Danielle Hughes In This Episode: -Danielle's elevator pitch -Why personality branding is crucial in today’s world -How to connect your career story with your brand -Developing your personality brand on LinkedIn -Advice for people contemplating a career shift or facing layoffs -The need for an optimized LinkedIn profile -How to differentiate yourself in an oversaturated job market -An interesting story about Danielle -Danielle's approach to helping clients craft their personality brand -Final thoughts on using personality branding to stand out And much more! Resources: -Free Guide to LinkedIn Job Hunting for the 40+ Crew - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/job-guide -Swap Homes and Unlock the World - https://www.homeexchange.com/ Connect with Danielle Hughes: -LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniellehughes/ -Website: https://www.morethanwordscopy.com/ Connect with Maureen Clough: -LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/ -Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/ -Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/ -YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1 -Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/
#56
Jul 8, 2025 · 1 hr 7 min
The AI Industry Is Lying to You — And This Founder’s Calling It Out at Age 66
Is AI living up to the hype, or is it just another overblown bubble that’s gonna pop? In this episode, Stephen Klein, a 66-year-old AI founder who is challenging the status quo in the world of artificial intelligence, joins me to expose what he believes is the truth about AI, from inflated promises to the real potential it holds for augmenting human intelligence. Trust me, this is what you won’t be hearing in the headlines about AI. We jump into the much-hyped world of AI, and Stephen shares his no-holds-barred views on what’s happening (and why speaking out is making him enemies in Silicon Valley). We discuss how many companies are rushing to market with products that aren’t actually as groundbreaking as they claim, and how the industry itself often misleads us about AI’s capabilities for their own benefit, leading with scary headlines about how all of us are being laid off because of AI. Stephen doesn’t just talk about AI; he’s actively shaping its future. But he’s not just creating another automation tool. He’s building AI that truly augments human intelligence, and that’s where it gets interesting. Stephen’s company, Curiouser.AI, is different. It focuses on creating AI that enhances our creativity and critical thinking, things that the industry is currently sidelining in favor of quick fixes and efficiency. He challenges the corporate culture surrounding AI and explains how the industry needs to move away from pure automation and toward true collaboration between humans and machines. We also jump into the wild world of LinkedIn, where Stephen’s satirical posts challenge the hype surrounding AI and expose the industry’s biggest players. If you’ve been confused about what this AI thing is all about or what to do, swept up in the AI frenzy or have doubts about where the industry is headed, this conversation will give you some powerful insights into what’s really going on behind the scenes that you’re unlikely to find in the typical media coverage. If you want to hear more from Stephen, check out his LinkedIn for more satirical insights and join the conversation on the future of AI! “I think that artificial intelligence is the single greatest innovation–invention–in the history of humanity, and I couldn't be more optimistic about where it's going.” ~ Stephen Klein In This Episode: -An AI founder at 66 -Creating AI that augments human intelligence -The misconceptions around ageism in tech -The impact of curiosity-driven AI on human creativity -Why people should be careful when using AI -AI's role in the future of work -How to deal with fear -The future of AI in business and ethics -The power of LinkedIn as a platform for your cause And much more! Resources: -Free Guide to LinkedIn Job Hunting for the 40+ Crew - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/job-guide Connect with Stephen Klein: -LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenbklein/ -Website: https://curiouser.ai/ Connect with Maureen Clough: -LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/ -Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/ -Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/ -YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1 -Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/
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Jun 24, 2025 · 1 hr 13 min
Kelly Stonelake Tried to Protect Kids at Meta. They Fired Her Instead
Have you ever felt trapped in a system that’s supposed to empower you but instead chips away at your well-being? In today’s episode, I’m sitting down with Kelly Stonelake, a former Meta executive who’s blowing the whistle on what’s happening behind the scenes at one of the world’s most powerful tech giants. From battling toxic corporate culture to confronting racial issues in virtual spaces, Kelly’s story isn’t just about one woman standing up - it’s about exposing the systemic issues that hold women back in the corporate workplace and getting all of us to fight for a safer, more accountable tech industry. If you’ve ever felt the weight of corporate silence or been pushed to the brink in a system that’s more about profit than people, this conversation serves as an eye-opener. Kelly opens up about her time at Meta and the deeply toxic corporate culture she experienced, which led to her risking it all by taking on the company with a high-profile lawsuit. She reveals her fight to hold Meta accountable for the harm done, particularly to vulnerable users. As a former senior executive, Kelly sheds light on the urgent need for corporate accountability in an environment that prioritizes growth over people’s well-being, and how her treatment after speaking out about racial and cultural issues within Meta eventually led to her whistleblowing. If you're interested in the human side of big tech and how systems of power perpetuate harm, this episode is a must-listen. Tune in to hear Kelly’s remarkable journey and discover how she’s taking a stand for change, even when it comes at great personal cost. Two small corrections from Kelly: "After listening back, two quick clarifications to my comments in the spirit of accuracy. I said it is illegal for companies to collect data on children. Clarification: it's illegal to collect data on children without parental consent. Also, I said I was 21 when I was first sexually assaulted by my boss, but I misspoke. I was 23 years old." “It's a great privilege to be able to tell the truth.” ~ Kelly Stonelake In This Episode: -The challenges of working with Horizon Worlds -The role of senior leadership in perpetuating corporate culture -The impact of being laid off, especially for neurodivergent individuals -Meta’s disregard for product safety and how that impacts children -Embracing the privilege of being able to tell the truth -Kelly’s reflections on DEI and corporate accountability -The emotional impact of being a whistleblower -Discrimination and ageism in the tech industry And much more! Resources: -Stonelake v. Meta - https://www.linkedin.com/posts/kellystonelake_stonelake-v-meta-activity-7292542424248135681-wJi_/ -The Autistic Burnout Workbook by Dr. Megan Anna Neff - https://www.amazon.com/dp/1507223064 Connect with Kelly Stonelake: -LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellystonelake/ -Substack: https://overturned.substack.com/ and https://substack.com/@kellystonelake Connect with Maureen Clough: -LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/ -Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/ -Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/ -YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1 -Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/

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