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In the Wild with Michael Bargury

Zenity Labs

In the Wild is about the AI conversations worth having right now. This podcast brings together builders and breakers, researchers and practitioners – people who see things differently and challenge what we think we know about where AI is going, and what it’s already doing in the wild. Each episode hosts one of these conversations. Sometimes deep into new research, sometimes grounded in a real security problem, sometimes just a paper that raises a question no one’s answered yet. You could say it’s non-deterministic. Just like AI.

A Zenity Labs podcast, hosted by Michael Bargury, Zenity Co-Founder & CTO. Produced by POLDHU.

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Michael Bargury
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbargury/

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    August 17 · 1 hr 15 min

    The Bungee Cord Was the Safety Plan w/ Ads Dawson

    He hacked a robot dog at Black Hat. On stage. With a leash as the safety plan. In episode 2, Michael Bargury sits down with Ads Dawson, Ads breaks AI for a living and loves it. He's Staff AI Security Researcher at Dreadnode and Technical Founder for the OWASP LLM Applications Project, where he builds the tools that stress-test AI systems to their breaking point. As a senior red team operator with BASI team six (led by Pliny the Prompter), he's the guy running wild, large-scale attack simulations that other security teams later copy. Michael and Ads discuss - finding the vulnerability is only half the job. The harder test is whether an agent can get there with the judgment, restraint and creativity of an expert. It can expose an API key, step outside its scope or leave a trail while still marking the task complete. In the Wild is hosted by Zenity Co-Founder & CTO Michael Bargury. A Zenity Labs podcast, produced by POLDHU CHAPTERS 00:00 — Inside the Wild with Ads Dawson 05:40 — From jailbreaking to agentic security 08:28 — Can an AI hacking agent stay stealthy? 12:13 — Building a personal bug-bounty harness 24:28 — Why off-the-shelf tools aren’t enough 33:58 — Keeping autonomous agents inside the lines 43:56 — What black-box AI hides 46:15 — Hacking a robot dog live onstage 52:13 — ScopeJudge and a new way to enforce boundaries 64:54 — Is red teaming dead? Research: stealthbench.com https://ganggreentempertatum.github.io/speaking/ https://blackhat.com/us-26/briefings/schedule/index.html?day=thursday#kinetic-prompt-injection-agent-compromise-with-a-physical-blast-radius-57343 Relevant Profiles: Ads Dawson https://ganggreentempertatum.github.io/speaking/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamdawson0/ Michael Bargury https://x.com/mbrg0 https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbargury/ Zenity Labs https://x.com/zenitysec_labs https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/zenity-sec-labs/ https://labs.zenity.io/ Mentioned: Pliny the Liberator: https://x.com/elder_plinius?lang=en Joey Melo: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrjoeymelo/ Pedro Paniago: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pedropaniago/ Nahamsec https://www.linkedin.com/in/nahamsec/ https://x.com/NahamSec Mike Takahashi https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaeltakahashi/ https://x.com/TakSec Tamir Ishay Sharbat https://x.com/tamirishaysh https://www.linkedin.com/in/tamir-ishay-sharbat-069496163/

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    August 10 · 49 min

    AI Worms Were Only a Precursor w/ Ben Nassi

    The first AI worm was just a precursor. Today, In the Wild goes live - conversations about AI worth having right now. Non-deterministic. Just like AI. In episode 1 we hosted Ben Nassi - Ben is on the bleeding edge of practical academic work on AI security. He is a BlackHat Review Board member. Leads the Adversarial Minds research group as a faculty member at TAU. Was very early to identify that AI security is about real world impact not harmful outputs. The first to show an AI worm. A Pwnie award winner on his cryptoanalysis work. And is a co-organizer of a new conference the Real World AI Security conference 2026. We'd also like to give a shout out to Stav Cohen, Zenity's Blue Team leader, who was part of Ben Nassi's research team and led the mentioned research projects. In the Wild - Hosted by Zenity Co-Founder & CTO Michael Bargury. Research Agentic Botnets - https://arxiv.org/abs/2607.07433 AI Worm - https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3719027.3765196 Relevant Profiles: Ben Nassi https://x.com/ben_nassi https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-nassi-phd-68a743115/ Stav Cohen https://x.com/StAJect0r https://www.linkedin.com/in/staject0r/ Michael Bargury https://x.com/mbrg0 https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbargury/ Zenity Labs https://x.com/zenitysec https://www.linkedin.com/company/zenitysec/ https://labs.zenity.io/ A Zenity Labs podcast, produced by POLDHU CHAPTERS 00:00 Cold open and introductions 01:27 Why “promptware”: prompt injection was too small a word 07:33 The kill chain paper and the missing catastrophe 15:28 The end of the beginning 20:10 Refusals are not a security barrier 22:07 Safety vs. security: the blame game 25:16 Slopsquatting: weaponizing a hallucination 28:33 From one prompt to a botnet 33:02 Disclosure is broken 41:55 From the AI worm to remote code execution 46:40 The scan comes back clean

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