In AI We Trust?

Miriam Vogel

In AI We Trust? is a podcast with Miriam Vogel of EqualAI that amplifies leaders and voices from across society who are defining, developing, and deploying AI best practices across government, industry, academia, and civil society. In each episode, Miriam sits down with guests to demystify the technology, discuss the importance of AI governance and AI literacy, and spark conversations about people’s hopes, fears, and opportunities in an AI-shaped future.

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#128
Tuesday · 41 min
Manage the Machine: Paula Goldman on How to Harness Human-AI Collaboration at Work
On this episode of In AI We Trust?, EqualAI President and CEO Miriam Vogel speaks with Paula Goldman, Salesforce’s Chief Ethical and Humane Use Officer and EVP of Product. In anticipation of Paula’s forthcoming book Manage the Machine: How to Harness Human AI Collaboration at Work, they discuss how AI can be designed and used in a way that centers and strengthens human judgment and human connection. The end goal is to expand accessibility and improve people’s experiences across domains, including HR, customer service, and marketing.
#127
July 8 · 49 min
Yoel Roth on The Future of Trust & Safety: Governing Agentic AI and Empowering Teams
In this episode, EqualAI President and CEO Miriam Vogel interviews Yoel Roth, Senior Vice President of Trust and Safety at Match Group and EqualAI Board Member. Yoel shares how trust and safety operations function as an enterprise growth engine rather than a mere cost center. He outlines five categories of online harm—physical, emotional, informational, economic, and societal—and discusses how his team addresses these challenges on popular dating apps used by millions worldwide. He describes how AI can be used to help enable human connection and support the work of trust and safety professionals, emphasizing the need for a measured, human-supervised approach to ensure AI is deployed with good governance in place and that decisions impacting users are made fairly, consistently, and accurately.
#126
June 23 · 42 min
AI Literacy Series Ep. 16: Karim Meghji, President and CEO of Code AI, on Empowering Students and Teachers and Developing Human Agency in the Age of AI
In this episode of In AI We Trust?, EqualAI President & CEO Miriam Vogel interviews Karim Meghji, President and CEO of CodeAI, We recorded this session as CodeAI launches its first of its kind joint AI Literacy (AILit) Framework with the European Commission and the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD. A global education non-profit originally founded in 2013, Karim discusses CodeAI's massive scale, reaching over 150 million students and 3 million teachers across 190 countries. Miriam and Karim address the organization's flagship Hour of AI campaign, which has engaged over 33 million learners in fun, educational coding activities designed around core learning objectives. Karim also shares his personal practice of using AI as a sounding board to challenge his ideas, while cautioning against using it to replace authentic human voice. We hope you enjoy this episode!
#125
May 15 · 37 min
Work in the AI Age: U.S. Labor Acting Secretary Keith Sonderling on Upskilling American Workers
On this special episode of In AI We Trust?, U.S. Department of Labor (DOL) Acting Secretary Keith Sonderling joins EqualAI President and CEO Miriam Vogel to discuss a moment of urgency and opportunity for the American workforce. In keynote remarks at a reception following EqualAI’s Summit on Agentic AI, the Acting Secretary outlines the federal government’s mission to prepare the American workforce for AI by demystifying the technology and moving from a narrative of fear to one of job augmentation. The conversation explores the DOL’s ambitious goal of reaching one million active apprenticeships, expanding beyond traditional trades into corporate America and the tech sector, while ensuring that industry-led curriculum bridges the skills gap for the next generation of citizens. From the launch of an AI literacy framework to a free, text-based course designed to reach every American with a cell phone, this episode provides an overview of how DOL is actively approaching its goal to ensure an AI-ready workforce.
#124
April 30 · 34 min
Inside the Department of Labor's Plan to Make American Workers AI-Ready
In this episode, Miriam Vogel, President and CEO of EqualAI, sits down with Taylor Stockton, Chief Innovation Officer at the U.S. Department of Labor, to discuss what the federal government is doing to prepare workers for the AI economy. Stockton walks through the DOL's AI Literacy Framework, a text message-based literacy course designed to reach workers where they are, modernized apprenticeships with embedded AI skills, and the new AI Workforce Hub — a real-time resource tracking how AI is transforming jobs across sectors. Taylor shares his favorite use cases and how the federal government is adhering to the Executive Order to increase its own AI use.
#123
April 13 · 41 min
Learning at Scale: Live from the ASU+GSV Summit with Deborah Quazzo
In this special episode of In AI We Trust?, Miriam Vogel sits down with Deborah Quazzo, Managing Partner of GSV Ventures and co-founder of ASU+GSV Summit, one of the most influential gatherings at the intersection of education and innovation. Recorded as the Summit unfolds, Quazzo offers a rare behind-the-scenes look at how ASU+GSV has grown into a "multi-dimensional marketplace" — one that puts philanthropists, commercial investors, K-12 superintendents, and university presidents in the same room to tackle education's biggest challenges together. She makes a compelling case for AI's potential to create personalized learning pathways, close persistent skills gaps, and drive students toward mastery at scale — and why getting the governance right is what makes all of it possible.
#122
March 24 · 52 min
Robbie Torney on Common Sense Media’s 2026 Summit (this week), Impact of AI on Children, and New Report on Kids and Families
On this episode of In AI We Trust?, EqualAI President & CEO Miriam Vogel and EqualAI Senior Advisor Nuala O’Connor co-host a conversation with Robbie Torney, Head of AI & Digital Assessments at Common Sense Media. They discuss the third annual Common Sense Media’s Summit on Kids and Families (March 23-24), the premier cross-sector gathering on child wellbeing in the digital age. Robbie Torney shares his valuable insights on how AI tools are affecting children’s learning and development, mental health, and growing up in a world that is hyperconnected. They dig in on topics impacting kids, families, and educators, including AI companions, chatbots, and AI toys, the importance of AI safety features and parental controls, gaps in AI usage among boys and girls, and how to protect kids in the AI era.
#121
March 11 · 41 min
AI Literacy Series Ep. 15: Dr. Chris Howard, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer of Arizona State University
On this episode of In AI We Trust?, EqualAI President and CEO Miriam Vogel sat down for a conversation with Dr. Chris Howard, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer of Arizona State University (ASU). They reflected on EqualAI’s recent AI Literacy Initiative event with ASU in Scottsdale, Arizona, featuring ASU President Michael Crow, Taylor Stockton, CIO of DOL, ASU Chief Information Officer Lev Gonick, Dean of ASU’s Walter Cronkite School of Journalism Battinto Batts, and Dean of ASU’s Mary Lou Fulton Teachers College Carole Basile, among other notable speakers. Dr. Howard and Miriam Vogel dove into ASU leadership on AI and education, including how ASU is using AI to help build human capacity and create impact for students and learners as they prepare to enter the workforce, and how AI fits in with ASU’s charter statement.
#120
February 4 · 47 min
Maintaining Optimism in a World of AI Opportunity and Risk - John Bailey, Nonresident Senior Fellow at American Enterprise Institute
On this episode of In AI We Trust?, EqualAI President and CEO Miriam Vogel and EqualAI Senior Advisor Nuala O’Connor sit down with John Bailey, Nonresident Senior Fellow at American Enterprise Institute, where he focuses on the intersection of technology and innovation in areas such as education and the workforce, and how to leverage the benefits of emerging technologies while minimizing the risks. John shares his thoughts on the challenges and opportunities that AI presents, including in education, healthcare/mental health and the workforce, and why he is optimistic about the future of AI and new possibilities being opened up by generative AI and agentic AI. He also shares his thoughts on the importance of AI literacy and ensuring people’s trust in AI, as well as ways that AI frontier labs, educators and others can help guide a path toward safe and beneficial AI adoption.
#119
January 22 · 47 min
AI Governance and the Role of Boards of Directors f/t Joshua Geltzer and Jessica Lewis of WilmerHale
EqualAI is thrilled to share the publication of our AI Governance Playbook for Boards—a practical guide to help Boards of Directors responsibly oversee AI while balancing risk management, value creation, and emerging legal and compliance obligations. On this episode of In AI We Trust?, EqualAI President and CEO Miriam Vogel sits down with our partners at WilmerHale, Jessica Lewis and Joshua Geltzer, to discuss the newly released Playbook, and Jessica and Joshua break down why Board-level engagement in AI governance is no longer optional—but both a best practice and, increasingly, a legal requirement.
#118
Dec 18, 2025 · 31 min
EqualAI End of Year Podcast Episode + Governing the Machine Excerpt
In this episode of In AI We Trust?, EqualAI President and CEO Miriam Vogel offers a special sneak peak into Governing the Machine, the book she co-authored and released this year, which is available online and in-stores and on audible (with a familiar voice). In this special episode, Miriam Vogel reflects on a pivotal year for AI—and what it means for all of us. She shares key moments from 2025, including highlights on the work advanced alongside partners across industry, government, and civil society, and why this growing community matters as AI reshapes how we work, learn, and govern. The episode concludes with the exclusive excerpt from a chapter in Governing the Machine, offering a deeper look at how we got here—and how we move forward with clarity and trust. We’re excited to continue the conversation in 2026 with new guests, expanded AI literacy discussions, and timely insights you won’t want to miss.
#117
Dec 2, 2025 · 47 min
AI Literacy Series Ep. 14: Chattanooga Mayor Tim Kelly and Heartland Forward President Angie Cooper
From November 11-12, 2025, EqualAI and Heartland Forward organized a convening with Mayor Tim Kelly of Chattanooga, Tennessee focused on AI in education and the workforce. The event brought together approximately 60 leaders from the City of Chattanooga and across the State of Tennessee to examine how AI is reshaping the education and jobs landscape and discuss the risks and opportunities of integrating AI into schools and workplaces. In Chattanooga, EqualAI President and CEO Miriam Vogel sat down with Mayor Kelly and Heartland Forward President Angie Cooper for a podcast recording of In AI We Trust? During the discussion, Mayor Kelly discussed real-world examples of how the City of Chattanooga is using AI in practical ways to help improve everyday quality of life for city residents, and Angie shared about how her organization, a “think-and-do-tank,” has launched the first-ever Heartland AI Caucus. Learn about all this and much more in this latest episode!
#116
Nov 17, 2025 · 43 min
Axios Chief Technology Correspondent Ina Fried on AI and This Moment in Technology
On this episode of In AI We Trust?, EqualAI President and CEO Miriam Vogel speaks with Axios Chief Technology Correspondent Ina Fried about how AI and this moment in technology compares to other earlier moments of transformation and Ina’s role as a journalist writing the Axios AI+ newsletter and putting together Axios’s AI+ Summits. In the episode, Ina discusses how AI is impacting jobs and her own work as a journalist, the complexity involved in building AI into human processes, and her hopes for the future of AI. You will not want to miss Ina’s sharp insights in this latest episode. Tune in now!
#115
Oct 28, 2025 · 40 min
Governing the Machine Book Launch – Miriam Vogel, Paul Dongha, and Ray Eitel-Porter
HOT OFF THE PRESSES: In this special episode of In AI We Trust?, EqualAI President and CEO Miriam Vogel is joined by her two co-authors of Governing the Machine: How to navigate the risks of AI and unlock its true potential, Dr. Paul Dongha, Head of Responsible AI and AI Strategy at NatWest Group, and Ray Eitel-Porter, Accenture Luminary and Senior Research Associate at the Intellectual Forum, Jesus College, Cambridge, to launch their new book released TODAY (October 28, 2025). Miriam, Paul, and Ray share their motivation for writing the book, some of the big takeaways on AI governance, why it is for companies and consumers alike, and what they hope readers will learn from their book. We hope that you enjoy this episode, and please be sure to purchase a copy of Governing the Machine at the link above! And share your feedback at contact@equalai.org!
#114
Oct 20, 2025 · 40 min
Nicholas Thompson, CEO of The Atlantic, on Leading The Atlantic through the “AI Hurricane Coming Through”
In this episode of In AI We Trust?, EqualAI President and CEO Miriam Vogel sits down with Nicholas Thompson, CEO of The Atlantic, for a fascinating discussion about the “AI hurricane coming through” and how he sees the role of journalists when it comes to reporting on new technological developments and promoting AI literacy. During the episode, Nicholas shares his wish list of AI policies and regulations, the most interesting thing in tech he has seen recently, his thoughts on the most important things people should be paying attention to as they work to understand new developments in the AI space, and much, much more.
#113
Oct 1, 2025 · 40 min
AI Literacy Series Ep. 13: Steven Overly (POLITICO) and Miriam Vogel (EqualAI): AI and the Changing Tech Landscape - A Reporter’s View
In this episode of In AI We Trust?, EqualAI President and CEO Miriam Vogel interviews Steven Overly, host of POLITICO Tech’s weekly podcast and editorial director of POLITICO Live. Steven shares highlights from POLITICO’s 2025 AI & Tech Summit and his thoughts on how the tech landscape has changed since he first started reporting on it as a journalist. Steven and Miriam also touch on topics including AI in government, AI and the workforce, and how to bring nuance into conversations around AI and ensure that more people are included in conversations about how it will impact their lives.
#112
Sep 22, 2025 · 46 min
AI Literacy Series Ep. 12: the World Economic Forum’s Daniel Dobrygowski and Karla Yee Amezaga
In this episode of In AI We Trust?, cohosts Miriam Vogel and Nuala O’Connor speak with Daniel Dobrygowski, Head of Governance and Trust at the World Economic Forum (WEF), and Karla Yee Amezaga, Initiatives Lead for AI and Data Governance with WEF’s Centre for AI Excellence about the importance of building trust in technology, strengthening AI and digital literacy, and modernizing boards to be fit for purpose for the modern era. They discuss EqualAI’s and WEF’s new playbooks, including WEF’s Playbook on Advancing Responsible AI Innovation and EqualAI’s new AI Governance Playbook. Find the WEF Playbook here and EqualAI’s AI Governance Playbook here.
#111
Aug 5, 2025 · 58 min
AI Literacy Series Ep. 11: Adam Thierer on AI, Innovation & Tech Policy
In this episode of In AI We Trust?, cohosts Miriam Vogel and Nuala O’Connor are joined by Adam Thierer, resident senior fellow @ R Street's Tech & Innovation team. Adam weighs in on the Trump Administration’s AI Action Plan, the importance of Congress in developing AI policy, and existing legal principles and practices that help define the new digital and AI age. They focused on the mandate for AI literacy, as well as the necessity of AI technologies being regulated in a transparent and trustworthy way that end users, and particularly consumers, can understand.
#110
Jun 24, 2025 · 37 min
AI Literacy Series Ep. 10: Angie Cooper’s Call to Action for the Heartland
In Episode 10 of the In AI We Trust? AI Literacy series, Angie Cooper’s Call to Action for the Heartland, Miriam Vogel talks with Angie Cooper, President and Chief Operating Officer of Heartland Forward, to explore how artificial intelligence (AI) can accelerate economic growth across America’s Heartland. The discussion follows Heartland Forward’s recent annual Heartland Summit, the data-driven insights that inform their mission, and their partnership with Stemuli to create a first-of-its-kind AI literacy video game to promote AI learning for rural students. Angie stresses the importance of increasing access to AI by expanding affordable, high-speed internet and building trust with AI platforms through education initiatives and open conversations with teachers and employers. This episode explores how AI can be utilized as a tool to benefit small businesses, prepare students for the workforce, and advance jobs throughout the Heartland and beyond.
#109
Jun 10, 2025 · 1 hr 9 min
AI Literacy Series Ep. 9: Robbie Torney of Common Sense Media & Special Co-host Nuala O’Connor
In this episode of In AI We Trust?, Miriam & Nuala speak with Common Sense Senior Director of AI Programs Robbie Torney to discuss AI's impact on children, families, and schools, focusing on AI literacy, which builds upon media and digital literacy. Robbie advises parents to engage in tech conversations with curiosity and empathy and encourages educators to view AI as a tool to enhance learning, noting students' prevalent use. Common Sense Media provides AI training and risk assessments for educators. Torney aims to bridge digital divides and supports AI implementation in underserved schools, highlighting risks of AI companions for vulnerable youth and developing resources for school AI readiness and risk assessments. The episode stresses the importance of AI literacy and critical thinking to navigate AI's complexities and minimize harm. The EqualAI AI Literacy podcast series builds on In AI We Trust?’s global reach, focusing specifically on AI literacy. Featuring prominent leaders in the technology, education, and governance fields, this special series provides listeners with valuable insights and discussions around AI’s impact on society, leading efforts in this area of AI literacy, and how listeners can benefit from these experts and tools. Related Resources Episode Blog Post AI Risk Assessments AI Basics for K–12 Teachers Parents’ Ultimate Guide to AI Companions and Relationships 2025: The Common Sense Census 2024: The Dawn of the AI Era

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